Benchmarking shouldn't tell a lot. Why did our experts then decide to adopt the Columbian BRT model and not Nigeria's or Tanzania's for that matter ? When India tried to learn about our mpesa technology,does that mean that we beat them in ICT ?

cossano:
rant however you what, it will never change the facts that the Nigerians have provided here. let me tell you something, in life there are two kinds of envy, black and white envy. black envy is when someone progress makes you uncomfortable thereby prompting you to plot his downfall, white envy is when someone success makes you uncomfortable but instead of plotting his downfall you find a way of achieving the same, i smell a lot of black envy from you towards the Nigerians, if they are such a failure why did we go to benchmark with their BRT? because what you keep saying is nothing good can ever come from Nigeria. am sorry for you man, the soon you accept the facts the better for you. what do we say in Kenya; ACCEPT AND MOVE ON

^^Just like in jamii forums where a tanzanian calls himself kikuyu akil tmam pretends to be kenyan and talks shit , only they can sink to such low levels of pettyness

tylann:


Argue with facts here
Show me any development index that nigeria beats kenya
Just show me one

That guy is a Tanzanian, yesterday I mentioned him with kisii language but he didn't reply.

Baliv254:
^^Just like in jamii forums where a tanzanian calls himself kikuyu akil tmam pretends to be kenyan and talks shit , only they can sink to such low levels of pettyness

COSSANO idiot is a Tanzanian pretending to be a Kenyan.He thinks we're foolish.

TayserMahri:




You're in for a rude shock if you think you can reason with Gaycunt. The mentally challenged fella screams starvation in every post - which is actually a fetal position for the weak like his Tanzanian counterparts. Upstairs he has absolutely nothing. He replaced a fool called nowenigans. He's best dismissed at first sight.

The stupid bagger is only recycling old stuffs to prove himself a weak point, hao maumbwa sio worth kujibiwa

TayserMahri:




Come slow on the naija byatches. They have enough struggles with the bleach and horse hair.

cossano:
thank you my brother, i already enjoy the discussion here, i already feel like you are here in my living room. Tbh with you, i get pissed off when someone is trying so hard, despite the reality, he is still pushing that Nairobi is greater than Lagos, i mean what metrics do they use to justify these fallacious claims, public transport in Nairobi is hell, do they tell you how many man hours Kenyans are loosing everyday in Nairobi trying to get to work, our own Govt data says that nairobi is 60% slums, don't just think its the tin shack houses only, there are numerous concrete ghettos in nairobi with 10 by 10 rooms where sometimes more than 10 tenants share one bathroom and one toilet almost 80% of nairobi Eastland fall under this category, most nairobi estates don't even have playgronds, public primary/secondary schools, social halls, public health facilities etc, and the ones that are there were built in the 80's and you know why? the plots allocated for these projects have been grabbed, our architect body says that for nairobi to regain its former glory massive demolitions will have to be undertaken.

You see. You're a honest Kenyan, and your brothers here keep denying Everything instead of them to just accept the truth and let the argument go. We all know nairobi is a complete shitthol. Kenya is a fvcked up country. Very soon your useless brothers we call you Tanzanian.

gallivant:


Just like a gay fool! Gaycunt man you are such a disappointment. Even with the ladies, you never spend all your money.

what's this bastard is saying! And who are you calling Gay or gaycunt. Foolish, useless animal

popizaino:

Don't project your insecurities on me, never been bitter concerning whatever positive things been mentioned about your country on this thread. I have made good remarks about your city nairobi.
The mere fact that you are so use to mediocrity does not mean everyone one of us should be used to it.Your nyayo estate would only pass as a normal housing estate for lower income earners or better still a military barracks filled with recruits and not for the regular officers.

I told you to be used to arguing with facts, don't just open your mouth, you were denying nyayo isn't a posh, I've proved it to you and you're still crying here.
Mark you, Nyayo estate which is giving you sleepless nights isn't even among the top 20 luxurious estates in Kenya, it's just the largest and the cleanest estate in east Africa.
Kenya has a variety of beautiful and luxurious posh estates with some like Karen being featured among the top ten luxury home in the world, that's why you'll see rich folks from US, UK,south Africa and Nigeria establishing their footprints to buy homes in Karen.

Meanwhile this is Runda estate.

cossano:
i have already voiced my opinion to the BBI when they held there sittings here in kisii town, my take is that we go the Ethiopian way, Ethnic federalism, let every one develop at there own pace, use there resources however they wish, elect leaders they believe we deliver for them, not ethnic kings whose only objective is to run the country a ground through wanton looting of the country's meager resources. time has come for a honest restructuring of kenya, we cannot keep lying to ourselves, let those of you who want to continue electing mediocre leaders like Waititu and Sonko have your own states to do with as you wish, those of us who want to elect technocrats like Ongwae nyong'o and oparanya should also have our own states.

You'll truly regret real federalism-sociopolitically we're not there yet. You're looking for a quick fix to our poverty which isn't wholly founded in politics but in the economic template that runs the entire world.
I touched on this earlier,let me summarize: early 70s a barrel of oil was 2-2.50 USD. The Arabs instituted a sale boycott after the 1973 loss to Israel pushing up prices 3x-OVERNIGHT!!
At the same time price of our tea,timber,coffee, cocoa etc remained stagnant. Yes,corruption, incompetence and negative ethnicity haven't helped us but the oil shock is still being felt generations later.
You should know skewed economic systems shortchange us regularly. Under invoicing and transfer pricing are actually the least harmful. Some trade agreements are set in stone backed up by force. Heard of the Pact Coloniale- the French agreement with their (ex) colonies? Til recently they kept 85% of their currency in Paris! I could go on and on but hope you see the picture.

That is not Runda - it's greenpark estate in Athi River. The next picture maybe Runda. The 3rd is Kitengela estate. Obviously Lagos and Abuja slumpolis got nothing on Nairobi estates.

Yobeezy:


I told you to be used to arguing with facts, don't just open your mouth, you were denying nyayo isn't a posh, I've proved it to you and you're still crying here.
Mark you, Nyayo estate which is giving you sleepless nights isn't even among the top 20 luxurious estates in Kenya, it's just the largest and the cleanest estate in east Africa.
Kenya has a variety of beautiful and luxurious posh estates with some like Karen being featured among the top ten luxury home in the world, that's why you'll see rich folks from US, UK,south Africa and Nigeria establishing their footprints to buy homes in Karen.

Meanwhile this is Runda estate.

rvp20183:
That is not Runda - it's greenpark estate in Athi River. The next picture maybe Runda. The 3rd is Kitengela estate. Obviously Lagos and Abuja slumpolis got nothing on Nairobi estates.

To be sincere with you, you don't have an estate. All your estates are wack and crap. This is Golf estate Port Harcourt. Can any of your crap estate stand this one.

You would think Nigeria would have transformed like how those Arabs turned their deserts into modern cities - but they wasted all the trillion dollars. That is part of reason why people think Africa is cursed.

Like you previously said kenya was undone by global oil crisis in 70s and 80s - and the very high population growth - otherwise if you look at our growth rate in 60s and 70s - it was as good as Asian tigers.

I think we need to figure out a balance btw federalism and strong devolution like Germany. The real risk of federalism in ethnically divided country is if one county or state strike some oil or gold - they will want out. I think we need to allow counties to take more and more functions - and of course - also keep a share of their taxes - but this should be done progressively.

As for Cassano - you've got to be incredibly dense - to think there is ANYTHING Kenya can learn from Nigeria. We have provided empirical, anecdotal and tonnes of pictorial evidence - 4,000 pages long - that clearly DEMONSTRATE that Nigeria is ONE GIANT mess of Africa.

Nigeria other sibling is Tanzania and DRC. An argument can be made about us learning from Ghana - and definitely the Algerias, the South Africas, the Namibias, the Botswana, the Mauritus...those are countries that are truly progressive.

Kenya is easily one of Africa most progressive nations - we have our challenges in corruption, huge infrastructure deficit and ethnicity - but it's nothing compared to the mess Nigeria find itself in.

kikuyu1:


You'll truly regret real federalism-sociopolitically we're not there yet. You're looking for a quick fix to our poverty which isn't wholly founded in politics but in the economic template that runs the entire world.
I touched on this earlier,let me summarize: early 70s a barrel of oil was 2-2.50 USD. The Arabs instituted a sale boycott after the 1973 loss to Israel pushing up prices 3x-OVERNIGHT!!
At the same time price of our tea,timber,coffee, cocoa etc remained stagnant. Yes,corruption, incompetence and negative ethnicity haven't helped us but the oil shock is still being felt generations later.
You should know skewed economic systems shortchange us regularly. Under invoicing and transfer pricing are actually the least harmful. Some trade agreements are set in stone backed up by force. Heard of the Pact Coloniale- the French agreement with their (ex) colonies? Til recently they kept 85% of their currency in Paris! I could go on and on but hope you see the picture.

Don't start. Nairobi real estates - from estates to malls - are not in Nigeria level - they are nearly at South Africa level. Just go to bed - I doubt you've slept at all.

Problemkid1:
To be sincere with you, you don't have an estate. All your estates are wack and crap. This is Golf estate Port Harcourt. Can any of your crap estate stand this one.

cossano:
the biggest problem with some Nigerians is that they are not very patriotic, whenever something small goes wrong in their country, they are all over the media bashing the Govt and its devt. record, maybe this is how you express your patriotism, i will never know. and i know that these kind of ranting might have prompted Kenyans to believe that we are way ahead of Nigeria and hence the creation of this thread , so now when you actually unleash the true picture of Lagos and other Nigerian cities, not the ones shown on BBC and Aljazeera, people actually are like damn i din't know Lagos has that kind of infrastructure? the beauty of life is to accept that someone is greater than you, we cannot all be equal, Kenyans lets accept that Nigeria despite all its shortcomings is still the giant of Africa, we are an emerging economy with great prospects, but trying to prove something that will never add value to your life is insanity, i use to believe also like many Kenyans that Nigeria was a lost cause, a backward society. stop getting your news from BBC, CGTN and the rest, youtube is free, take a tour of Nigeria from the comfort of your living room and maybe, just maybe you will understand that Nigeria is not our mate. its sportsmanship, asiyekubali kushindwa sio mshindani.

Come srowry with the free advice,son you're nobody's Uncle in here. We're not coming from feelings. Check the following indices and tell us where Naij beats us:
-legatum prosperity index
-UNDP Human development index
-logistics performance index
-World bank Human Capital Index
-infrastructure index
-infant and maternal mortality
-human longevity

FYI,this thread is almost three years old and before you stumbled in we conclusively established their GDP of which they were exceedingly proud was never EVER 500 bn USD. Look at a few random pages before the first two hundred. They stuttered ati their agro sector is worth a 100bn USD,bigger than Brazil but we shut down that poo even faster.
There's enough real knowledge for a bright student. Keep your homilies to yourself.

I think 4,000 pages later - I can confidently say Nigeria GDP is about 2 or 2.5 (at it's highest) times Kenya - whatever data I have analysed in whatever sector - If Kenya GDP is 95B (now - 100B by end of year) - Nigeria GDP is 200-250B. And if you think Oil sector from their GDP - they go as low as 150-180B dollars - a LDC like Tanzania.

kikuyu1:

Come srowry with the free advice,son you're nobody's Uncle in here. We're not coming from feelings. Check the following indices and tell us where Naij beats us:
-legatum prosperity index
-UNDP Human development index
-logistics performance index
-World bank Human Capital Index
-infrastructure index
-infant and maternal mortality
-human longevity

FYI,this thread is almost three years old and before you stumbled in we conclusively established their GDP of which they were exceedingly proud was never EVER 500 bn USD. Look at a few random pages before the first two hundred. They stuttered ati their agro sector is worth a 100bn USD,bigger than Brazil but we shut down that poo even faster.
There's enough real knowledge for a bright student. Keep your homilies to yourself.

Problemkid1:
To be sincere with you, you don't have an estate. All your estates are wack and crap. This is Golf estate Port Harcourt. Can any of your crap estate stand this one.

Is it an residential estate or an industrial estate
Those buildings look like warehouses

rvp20183:
Don't start. Nairobi real estates - from estates to malls - are not in Nigeria level - they are nearly at South Africa level. Just go to bed - I doubt you've slept at all.

And you think Nigeria don't have those ones. Do any of your estates has basketball court. Do any of your estates has children park. Do any of your estates has football filed. Please go and find one place and sit down

Hahaha Basketball court - children park? football field - I mean the best of your estates like that one in port court for oil executive is low-middle class in Kenya - like Nyayo. It's not even middle class.

Problemkid1:
And you think Nigeria don't have those ones. Do any of your estates has basketball court. Do any of your estates has children park. Do any of your estates has football filed. Please go and find one place and sit down

Problemkid1:
And you think Nigeria don't have those ones. Do any of your estates has basketball court. Do any of your estates has children park. Do any of your estates has football filed. Please go and find one place and sit down

Poor kid you need help

tylann:


Is it an residential estate or an industrial estate
Those buildings look like warehouses

It's an residential estates. It has golf course inside. It has many things inside than any other estate in Kenya did not have.

There are tonnes of Kenya golf estates - none looking as shabbily as port harcourt - that supposedly house oil big cats.

Problemkid1:
It's an residential estates. It has golf course inside. It has many things inside than any other estate in Kenya did not have.

Problemkid1:
It's an residential estates. It has golf course inside. It has many things inside than any other estate in Kenya did not have.

I have told you time and again

Our real estate is among the best in the world that is why your billionaires are buying homes in Kenya

What is posted looks like Greatwall estate in Athi River - that are sold for like 30K dollars. These idiots god only knows where they take all the oil money.

tylann:


I have told you time and again

Our real estate is among the best in the world that is why your billionaires are buying homes in Kenya

rvp20183:
Hahaha Basketball court - children park? football field - I mean the best of your estates like that one in port court for oil executive is low-middle class in Kenya - like Nyayo. It's not even middle class.

Do you have those things I mentioned. Stop ranting about

tylann:


Poor kid you need help

Go and sleep. That's how you guys behave when you have nothing to show. Senseless human being

rvp20183:
There are tonnes of Kenya golf estates - none looking as shabbily as port harcourt - that supposedly house oil big cats.

Show me that wack golf estate let's me see you guys love making noise

tylann:


I have told you time and again

Our real estate is among the best in the world that is why your billionaires are buying homes in Kenya

See who is talking. Best estate in the world my foot. The best and largest estate in Africa is gwarinpa. And how comes your way estate is among the best in the world

Golf estate should look like this..

Problemkid1:
Show me that wack golf estate let's me see you guys love making noise

rvp20183:
Golf estate should look like this..

Wait is Runda the best estate in kenya

rvp20183:
Golf estate should look like this..

That golf estate in Port Harcourt is meant for the golf people. It's golf club so they named it golf estates. So you see the difference is clear

Let's us avoid Nairobi - it's too much for your slumpolis.Start with Vipingo ridge - in Kilifi - near Mombasa city.
Vipingo Ridge is Africa's first and only PGA-accredited course. With Villas that cost 1m dollars.