openmine:


You can as well tag the thread a MuttleyLaff VS TV01 Vocabo/lingual e-war!

I am not the most erudite, clearly lyrically deficient and the poetic stick missed me completely, but please, MuttleyLaff ke? Levels .

Shepherd00:
You are completely devoid of shame.

Abi? Utterly lacking and willing to be as underhand as it takes to sell this deceit. Disgusting . And that habit of repitition ad finitum is headache inducing. Like wading through excreta with a large splinter in your foot.

MuttleyLaff:
I think TV01 is buying time or has decided to jack it in and call it a day, knowing fully well he would be exposed and left hung to dry if he should have the courage to answer my four questions. I'll give you a notification mention, if he mans up and replies to them.

TV

Oga TV01.

Please humour us.
Edakun answer those four questions

Let's get this train moving.

MuttleyLaff:
Is it a lie? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?

You are not only a liar, but a blasphemer of the Word of God, and you know this is unpardonable.

And, how come I have not seen any rebuttal from you on all my posts to you? Oh, you became blind to them but go on mentioning me like a broken record.

You lied and said Joseph kissed his father the way homosexuals kiss their partners.

You liard by saying Apst Paul admonished Christian brethren to kiss themselves like the homosexuals do.

You lied by saying The Lord said homosexuals are Eunuchs who some were born thus, some were made thus by others, while some made themselves thus for the furtherance of the Kingdom of God.

I asked you how many Homosexuals made themselves thus for the kingdom and how many were or are missionaries/Revivalists/ Christian Reformers.

I asked you if Eunuchs have sex organs, and engage in sexual activities, and if homosexuals have sex.

I asked you if lesbians can also be termed Eunuchs.

To that you became blind like a Bat.

It's not enough to call people liars, point to these lies.

MuttleyLaff:
Is it a lie.? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?

So, me saying I'd only respond to you with regards to my questions to you in my thread where the questions are asked, became a lair?

Why haven't you responded to my posts?

MuttleyLaff:
openmine, what does the title of the thread say, hmm? TV01 is the big hotshot who came out at me, so that is why I am starting with him and as well facing him. If only he just would answer those my four easy, simple, straightforward direct questions to get this whole matter properly started.

I know about all your reservations, it would be addressed, if just TV01 would answer those four questions. It is him holding things up openmine, talk to him

I answered them. Must it be TV? Why haven't you reacted to my answers yet?

Muttleylaff, you are a confirmed scoundrel and, at this point, I am finding it quite difficult to append the term “Christian” to your moniker. Your irreverent handling of the scriptures, chicanery and clunky, repetitive tone are immensely irritating to say the least.

Nevertheless, let me persist here. Firstly, your title; “Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union” – this is in itself an absolute non-starter.

“Consensual sin” remains sin. Dressing an unbeliever in priestly garb does not make them disciple - at best a costumed actor. Like many of the so-called ministers/ministries I suspect you follow.

SS behaviour or acts are fundamentally dysfunctional. SS attraction is intrinsically disordered. That is a ruined foundation. Nothing can be built atop, despite your best efforts repeated ad nauseum.

Now, to your questions - even as you failed to give a considered refutation to the scriptures I posted, merely “flipping” them back to me as evidenced by another observer/participant;

openmine:
And with all honesty,i believe some scriptures that where presented by TV01 should have been refuted by you instantly using the same scriptures!

And also noting that you referenced only one scripture – Matthew 19:12 - woefully taken out of context and further mis-applied like deodorant instead of air-freshener

Question
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
Answer
These verses clearly outline the grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. Romans 1 specifically referring to the acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over”. 1 Corinthians 6:9 however, shows there is true hope in the gospel and with the Love of God, the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, those caught up in this sin can be freed and washed – as for any other sinful behaviour or inclination

Question
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
Answer
Your purview as I have noted above is an utterly bogus premise. I have stated why

Question
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
Answer
God would not have to specifically condemn SS unions anymore than he would have had to (under the law) specifically condemn a bacon sandwich shop – i.e. if pork is forbidden, an enterprise based on pork products does not need to be expressly mentioned. Duh?

Question
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
Answer
Beautifully responded to in question 1 above.

Bonus responses
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker? Dude, you are running a campaign – and most insidiously at that. Quit with the fake piety and scholarly apprehensions.

2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin? Disordered, dysfunctional, depraved’ Expressely condemned by scripture. If you haven’t got that by now, I can’t really help. Especially in the absence of a well exegeted rebuttal – see what I did there

3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships? As above. Also it pollutes the land. The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity Consent does not sanctify sin. Nor does word salad

4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.

5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.


TV

kkins25:

Hello, thanks for the mention @ muttley which unfortunately i didnt notice until now. Im getting ready to go to work but would be drop my opinion later.

Do i believe homosexuality is ansin? HELL NO..
Those[sic] the bible say homosexualism is evil??
From the narrative of lot and the the angels one is led to believe that SS marriages is indeed a gruesome sin.

You have represented two opposing views.

1. Hell No, homosexuality is not a sin.

2. The Bible says Homosexuality is a gruesome Sin

But, of course you don't subscribe to the Bible, so I absolve you of everything it says. I leave you to your Maker.

kkins25:

But i dont take the bible as moral authoruty because the bible has been dead for the past 2600 years....

You have no business being in this thread then, because this Op is about proving that the Bible which you don't believe in It's moral authority calls homosexuality a sin, as you have previously attested to. And we are here to prove it with It.

kkins25:

although it holds some core wisdom on human nature.

Can you mention a few of these Wisdoms?

kkins25:

However humanity cannot survive in this evolving world by following every word of the bible hence, science and philosophy is the new authority.. Furthermore, the bible is subject to perception bias. Why trust the interpreters?

This ^^^^ is why whatever you say here is invalidated.

No need to come back here.

TV01:
Muttleylaff, you are a confirmed scoundrel and, at this point, I am finding it quite difficult to append the term “Christian” to your moniker. Your irreverent handling of the scriptures, chicanery and clunky, repetitive tone are immensely irritating to say the least.

Nevertheless, let me persist here. Firstly, your title; “Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union” – this is in itself an absolute non-starter.

“Consensual sin” remains sin. Dressing an unbeliever in priestly garb does not make them disciple - at best a costumed actor. Like many of the so-called ministers/ministries I suspect you follow.

SS behaviour or acts are fundamentally dysfunctional. SS attraction is intrinsically disordered. That is a ruined foundation. Nothing can be built atop, despite your best efforts repeated ad nauseum.

Now, to your questions - even as you failed to give a considered refutation to the scriptures I posted, merely “flipping” them back to me as evidenced by another observer/participant;
And also noting that you referenced only one scripture – Matthew 19:12 - woefully taken out of context and further mis-applied like deodorant instead of air-freshener

Question
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
Answer
These verses clearly outline the grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. Romans 1 specifically referring to the acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over”. 1 Corinthians 6:9 however, shows there is true hope in the gospel and with the Love of God, the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, those caught up in this sin can be freed and washed – as for any other sinful behaviour or inclination

Question
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
Answer
Your purview as I have noted above is an utterly bogus premise. I have stated why

Question
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
Answer
God would not have to specifically condemn SS unions anymore than he would have had to (under the law) specifically condemn a bacon sandwich shop – i.e. if pork is forbidden, an enterprise based on pork products does not need to be expressly mentioned. Duh?

Question
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
Answer
Beautifully responded to in question 1 above.

Bonus responses
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker? Dude, you are running a campaign – and most insidiously at that. Quit with the fake piety and scholarly apprehensions.

2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin? Disordered, dysfunctional, depraved’ Expressely condemned by scripture. If you haven’t got that by now, I can’t really help. Especially in the absence of a well exegeted rebuttal – see what I did there

3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships? As above. Also it pollutes the land. The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity Consent does not sanctify sin. Nor does word salad

4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.

5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.


TV

Muttleylaff. Take it as TV01 did, step by step and give responses.

TV01:
Muttleylaff, you are a confirmed scoundrel and, at this point, I am finding it quite difficult to append the term “Christian” to your moniker. Your irreverent handling of the scriptures, chicanery and clunky, repetitive tone are immensely irritating to say the least.

Nevertheless, let me persist here. Firstly, your title; “Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union” – this is in itself an absolute non-starter.

“Consensual sin” remains sin. Dressing an unbeliever in priestly garb does not make them disciple - at best a costumed actor. Like many of the so-called ministers/ministries I suspect you follow.

SS behaviour or acts are fundamentally dysfunctional. SS attraction is intrinsically disordered. That is a ruined foundation. Nothing can be built atop, despite your best efforts repeated ad nauseum.

Now, to your questions - even as you failed to give a considered refutation to the scriptures I posted, merely “flipping” them back to me as evidenced by another observer/participant;
And also noting that you referenced only one scripture – Matthew 19:12 - woefully taken out of context and further mis-applied like deodorant instead of air-freshener

Question
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
Answer
These verses clearly outline the grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. Romans 1 specifically referring to the acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over”. 1 Corinthians 6:9 however, shows there is true hope in the gospel and with the Love of God, the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, those caught up in this sin can be freed and washed – as for any other sinful behaviour or inclination

Question
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
Answer
Your purview as I have noted above is an utterly bogus premise. I have stated why

Question
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
Answer
God would not have to specifically condemn SS unions anymore than he would have had to (under the law) specifically condemn a bacon sandwich shop – i.e. if pork is forbidden, an enterprise based on pork products does not need to be expressly mentioned. Duh?

Question
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
Answer
Beautifully responded to in question 1 above.

Bonus responses
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker? Dude, you are running a campaign – and most insidiously at that. Quit with the fake piety and scholarly apprehensions.

2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin? Disordered, dysfunctional, depraved’ Expressely condemned by scripture. If you haven’t got that by now, I can’t really help. Especially in the absence of a well exegeted rebuttal – see what I did there

3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships? As above. Also it pollutes the land. The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity Consent does not sanctify sin. Nor does word salad

4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.

5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together. Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.


TV

Weldone TV01

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78952845
You would say I have no point, as you'll say that, when you know you're beat, isnt it? Look at the above link, notice how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

Youu are no different to the rest and them, the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, jesusjnr etcetera hiding and scared stiff answering easy, simple, straightforward and direct questions put to you.

Pls go and react to my posts and TV's.

Which kain human being wey no get shame?

The first Christian homosexual I have met.

MuttleyLaff:

I am glad you honoured the invite and made it here. You can drop your own opinion(s), once you dont mind, when applicable, it will be headed off with or by facts.

kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has. This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts.

It is better to know the facts, before forming opinions, as that wouldnt make you be like the rest of them, the likes of the TV01, shepherd00, etcetera, having a hard and tough time, accepting the facts of the truth and that I have moved on from the same place, but they are still in the same place. TV01, Shepherd00, elated177, jesusjnr and others have little or no regard for biblical and historical context, they only conveniently ignore it. Now TV01 knew I'll make mincemeat of him, that is why refrained from answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him.

You are hiding behind Verbosity. Go direct and react to what is posted and stop this
windiness with words.

Ecclesiastes 10:14 A fool also is full of words...

MuttleyLaff:

Another day for making the Benjamins things, hmmm?

Correct guy, you head dey there gidigba, sharp, sharpishly o jaare.

Why am I not surprised that you'd hail him, knowing he does not subscribe to the authority of the Bible?

MuttleyLaff:

The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them

It's obvious you don't believe what the Bible says here, so pls go ahead and say what you believe it says.

C.E.V (US Version) 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom?

Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God's kingdom.

Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others. Some of you used to be like that.

But now the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power of God's Spirit have washed you and made you holy and acceptable to God.
Muttleylaff, this passage of Scripture has been posted here over and over, but you act as tho you don't see it. Why not refute it?

MuttleyLaff:

Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm? It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors

They (the sodomites) called out to Lot and asked, “Where are the men who came to visit you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” Lot went outside to them, shut the door behind him, and said, “I urge you, my brothers, ~~~don’t do such a wicked thing.”~~~

What is 'Strange Flesh?'. Pls read other Bible translations you'd discover that it means sexual perversion, like homosexuality.

Jude 1:7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

Muttleylaff, what is the wickedness Lot meant here? was it the inhospitability of the sodomites or their attempt to rape men?

Rape according to the Bible, does not carry a sentence of death. Besides, through out the Bible, there was never any mention men raping men, talk less of a penalty for men raping men. This is all your craftiness to give twisted explanation to what doesn't exists.

6. 1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

7. 1 Kings 15:12  And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

MuttleyLaff could The Lord be referring to inhospitable nature of these people or something worse? Oh, but I know you won't respond.

MuttleyLaff:

The bible is alive, living and active. The bible is not dead, it is full of life and makes me come alive.

I doubt science and philosophy has ever been any new authority kkins because, check out this naaaaa, God, of course, in the Bible, can be seen to be the greatest Philosopher of all and also watch this kkins, science says, we need four basic elements to survive: Water, Air, Food and Light, but look at what Jesus did and/or said about Himself. He did and/or said: I am the living water (i.e. John 4:10, John 4:14, John 7:37, Revelation 21:6), breath of life (i.e. John 20:22), I am the bread of life (i.e. John 6:33, JohnSo 6:35, John 6:48 and John 6:51) and I am the light of the world (i.e. John 8:12, John 9:5, and John 12:46)

What bladadash?

MuttleyLaff:

kkins, there is no better book than the Bible, which is God's instructional book for living and there is no better Teacher and Interpreter than the Holy Spirit.

Yet you stand here with a bold face lying and blaspheming both the Word and the Holy Spirit.

Repent or He shall say to you on the last day 'depart from me you worker of iniquity'.

You ghosted in my thread, you intend to ghost in yours too?


TV01 is kicking your ass to all of Nairaland's curbs.

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78952845
You would say I have no point, as you'll say that, when you know you're beat, isnt it? Look at the above link, notice how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

Youu are no different to the rest and them, the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, jesusjnr etcetera hiding and scared stiff answering easy, simple, straightforward and direct questions put to you.

stick with the subject of discussion.

After all the chest beating, Muttleylaff took off.

Shepherd00:
After all the chest beating, Muttleylaff took off.

I here, I am here. I havent took off as you secretly wish. I am peppering up the cat o' nail tail "atori pasan" whip ready before the lashing. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, that one na komfam.

Muttleylaff is currently getting whooped on his one thread

MuttleyLaff:
I here, I am here. I havent took off as you secretly wish. I am peppering up the cat o' nail tail "atori pasan" whip ready before the lashing. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, that one na komfam.

You are high on sperms. All the noise you made about how you'd obliterate us with your rebuttals, where are they?

Puffing hot air.

alBHAGDADI:
Muttleylaff is currently getting whooped on his one thread

You will eat these your words

Shepherd00:
You are high on sperms. All the notice you made about how you'd obliterate us with your rebuttals, where are they?

Puffing hot air.

You will choke on that sperm. Dont worry, you dont have to beg for your punishment. Nobi sons who dey bury dem mama ni, hmm? You'll have long life and be alive to witness apocalypse unfold, that is made especially for you.

MuttleyLaff:
You will eat these your words

You will choke on that sperm. Dont worry, you dont have to beg for your punishment. Nobi sons who dey bury dem mama ni, hmm? You'll have long life and be alive to witness apocalypse unfold, that is made especially for you.

Again, hot air. Ur thread is loaded with responses for you to react to and questions for you to answer, but na noise you sabi make.

You cried all over the place that TV01 didn't answer your simple questions, he has not only answered you, I did too, where are your rebuttals to them? Nothing.

I told you to be ready for this when you were making this noise. Shameless homosexual.

Shepherd00:
Again, hot air. Ur thread is loaded with responses for you to react to and questions for you to answer, but na noise you sabi make.

You cried all over the place that TV01 didn't answer your simple questions, he has not only answered you, I did too, where are your rebuttals to them? Nothing.

I told you to be ready for this when you were making this noise. Shameless homosexual.

You can call me whatever you enjoy and like calling me.

Your responses were going to be more or less just like what I know TV01 will put forward, this is why I had to wait for TV01 to answer, this is because it will enable me do justice to yours, which will be similar to the replies TV01 gives. You know how it is nau, I mean the thing about killing two birds at one go, with one stone, hmm? Yawa go gas.

You will get my unflinching response before midnight today, so please give it a rest, dont lose sleep over it and stop drinking strong coffee. Biko.

Less threats, more refutations.

Any talk that is not related to the issue at hand is unwelcome. You all should stop "talking" and start talking.

Ranchhoddas:
Less threats, more refutations.

Any talk that is not related to the issue at hand is unwelcome. You all should stop "talking" and start talking.

Bros, tell MuttleyLaff that

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Shepherd00:

You have represented two opposing views.
1. Hell No, homosexuality is not a sin.
2. The Bible says Homosexuality is a gruesome Sin

Ogbenni, i wasnt debating. i made it known to muttleylaff who claims the bible did not categorically suggest that SS marriage is wrong- that the story of lot somewhat informs us indirectly that sexual immorality led to the untimely destruction of sodom and gomora.wether SS marriage is considered sexual immorality is what this discussion- i believe is about. He , the OP has promised to enlighten us on how he came about his deductions.

But, of course you don't subscribe to the Bible, so I absolve you of everything it says. I leave you to your Maker.

i thought he was our maker. You are indirectly wishing the harsh judgement of the lord your God, who isnt doing anything this days. Abi i dey lie??
Jesus is proud of you. Todays christians are only associates of hell. Instead of winning souls, you push me away to darkness. But i know now, you dont push me away but drag me with you so i can dwell in the shadows of logical death.. No, no ,no get away from me, you satan in white garments.

You have no business being in this thread then, because this Op is about proving that the Bible which you don't believe in It's moral authority calls homosexuality a sin, as you have previously attested to. And we are here to prove it with It.

Well, then you have let your self slip into a delusional grandeur, muttley also subscribes to the bible yet doesn't agree with you on the "sin status" of Homosexuality. Riddle me that huh!!!!
How the deuce can two learned individuals whom both claim to be annoited by the same holy spirit percieve the HOLY SCRIPTURES differently? Riddle me that huh!!! Thats why i said " the bible is subject to perception bias". Becareful shepard , dont make an olodo of your self.
And ogbenni, we are not here to prove that the bible calls (or messages) that homosexuality is a sin. We are here to discuss wether those verse specifically condemn homosexuality..

Can you mention a few of these Wisdoms?

you want to diverge from the op isnt it?. SMH.

This ^^^^ is why whatever you say here is invalidated.

No need to come back here.

i, kkins25, is not in support of both parties: the prosecutors and the defendants. I, my dear friend is hear to ensure that your "case" isn't loaded with sentimental BS. Furthermore, we need someone who doesn't bend the will of the bible to suit their propaganda.. Muttleylaff says homosexuality isnt a sin because the Bible doesn't say so. I say homosexuality isn't a sin because there is no sin in the world of Biology, only favourable behaiours and unfavourable behaviours.

If your so called holy spirit had any authoruty here, it would have struck me along time ago.ogbenii.

Ranchhoddas:
Less threats, more refutations.

Any talk that is not related to the issue at hand is unwelcome. You all should stop "talking" and start talking.

It's amazing really, such discussion that would have been interesting is drowned in long articulated rigmaroles oozing of unquestionable egos and non sequitur remarks.

You could have a very almost 1,500 words post or counter post, 90% of has absolutely nothing to do with the post.

Another curious thing is; the bible is the center of Christian morality, the very basis of Christian theology yet takes has so almost relegated presence here.

kkins25:
Ogbenni, i wasnt debating. i made it known to muttleylaff who claims the bible did not categorically suggest that SS marriage is wrong- that the story of Lot somewhat informs us indirectly that sexual immorality led to the untimely destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Whether SS marriage is considered sexual immorality is what this discussion- i believe is about. He, the OP has promised to enlighten us on how he came about his deductions.
i thought he was our maker. You are indirectly wishing the harsh judgement of the lord your God, who isnt doing anything this days. Abi i dey lie??
Jesus is proud of you. Todays christians are only associates of hell. Instead of winning souls, you push me away to darkness. But i know now, you dont push me away but drag me with you so i can dwell in the shadows of logical death.. No, no ,no get away from me, you satan in white garments.


Well, then you have let your self slip into a delusional grandeur, muttley also subscribes to the bible yet doesn't agree with you on the "sin status" of Homosexuality. Riddle me that huh!!!!
How the deuce can two learned individuals whom both claim to be annoited by the same holy spirit percieve the HOLY SCRIPTURES differently? Riddle me that huh!!! Thats why i said " the bible is subject to perception bias". Becareful shepard , dont make an olodo of your self.
And ogbenni, we are not here to prove that the bible calls (or messages) that homosexuality is a sin. We are here to discuss wether those verse specifically condemn homosexuality..

you want to diverge from the op isnt it?. SMH.

i, kkins25, is not in support of both parties: the prosecutors and the defendants. I, my dear friend is hear to ensure that your "case" isn't loaded with sentimental BS. Furthermore, we need someone who doesn't bend the will of the bible to suit their propaganda.. Muttleylaff says homosexuality isnt a sin because the Bible doesn't say so. I say homosexuality isn't a sin because there is no sin in the world of Biology, only favourable behaiours and unfavourable behaviours.

If your so called holy spirit had any authoruty here, it would have struck me along time ago.ogbenii.

"kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has.
This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts."
- Religion / Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

kkins25:
Those the bible say homosexualism is evil??

"The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them"
- Religion / Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

kkins25:
From the narrative of Lot and the angels one is led to believe that SS marriages is indeed a gruesome sin.

"Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm?
It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors"
- Religion / Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

kkins25, do you know, what I see lacking and missing with most? It is the lack of not enough grace, which is, that touch of truth, that lets you see the world in a new way. It’s a gift that can be taken, only when you’re open enough to receive and accept it.

kkins25, I have put the record straight about Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah etcetera a bit already with you as seen with the red inverted commas above, the rest of the instalment is on its way.

smh

kkins25:

Ogbenni, i wasnt debating. i made it known to muttleylaff who claims the bible did not categorically suggest that SS marriage is wrong- that the story of lot somewhat informs us indirectly that sexual immorality led to the untimely destruction of sodom and gomora.wether SS marriage is considered sexual immorality is what this discussion- i believe is about. He , the OP has promised to enlighten us on how he came about his deductions.

Okay.
So far, he has failed to proof anything.

kkins25:

i thought he was our maker. You are indirectly wishing the harsh judgement of the lord your God, who isnt doing anything this days. Abi i dey lie??

Yes, He is.
kkins25, I'm not wishing for anything, I'm only presenting scriptures as they are, but if they appear hash, then we must need take heed.
lol about God not doing anything. What do you mean by that?

Will you be pleased if he struck every sinner down immediately he commits sin? Would that make Him the kind of God you want? because, outside of the grace which is the extended long robe for sinners to repent, God is 100%at work as He has been from the beginning of time.

kkins25:

Jesus is proud of you. Todays christians are only associates of hell.

Yes, He is proud of me. Associate of Hell? lolzzzzz.
Preaching the gospel makes me an associate of Hell?

kkins25:

Instead of winning souls, you push me away to darkness. But i know now, you dont push me away but drag me with you so i can dwell in the shadows of logical death.. No, no ,no get away from me, you satan in white garments.

I think this shd be directed to MuttleyLaff who is trying to bend scriptures to teach a lie.
I, on the other hand, has done nothing but present scriptures which clearly states the mind of God. The only person who sees light and runs off is already in darkness.
MuttleyLaff, even your fellow bedmate is screaming no no no to Hellfire o.

And you sir, said you don't believe the Bible, so do not subscribe to its dictates, from where are you being dragged down from then? You seem to be down and out already

kkins25:

Well, then you have let your self slip into a delusional grandeur, muttley also subscribes to the bible yet doesn't agree with you on the "sin status" of Homosexuality. Riddle me that huh!!!!

Is that right? Lolzz.
Satan quoted scriptures to the Lord Jesus, wld you say he subscribes to It?
The Occult quotes the Bible all the time, do they subscribe to It?
Homosexuals have their sites where they bend and summersault scriptures to suit their proclivity do they subscribe to it, or are trying to make God an accomplice to their sin?

Can you post any Scripture that supports MuttleyLaff's position on this?

kkins25:

How the deuce can two learned individuals whom both claim to be annoited by the same holy spirit percieve the HOLY SCRIPTURES differently?

People pretending to be Christians are not in short supply. They have never been, they'll keep at it until Christ returns. So, don't be surprised when you see wolves who seem like Sheep.

Acts 20:29-30 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Does this look familiar?

And the disciples asked Him and said, how shall we know them, He answered and said unto them 'By their fruits you shall know them'.

kkins25:

Thats why i said " the bible is subject to perception bias". Becareful shepard , dont make an olodo of your self

Oh yes, that is why the likes of MuttleyLaff can attempt to bend it out of joint to support a lie.

And, how am I making an olodo of myself?

kkins25:

And ogbenni, we are not here to prove that the bible calls (or messages) that homosexuality is a sin. We are here to discuss wether those verse specifically condemn homosexuality.

Semantics. saying the same thing differently. Those verses are taken from the Bible, if they say homosexuality is a sin, then the Bible messages that homosexuality is a sin.

BTW, MuttleyLaff has failed to prove (within context) that those verses do not condemn homosexuality.

Still waiting.

kkins25:

you want to diverge from the op isnt it?. SMH.

No. I said you shd mention a few Wisdoms you believe the Bible contains because it appears you pick and choose what to take from the Bible. When it teaches what you are comfortable with, you accept, when it condemns sin, you skip.

kkins25:

i, kkins25, is not in support of both parties: the prosecutors and the defendants. I, my dear friend is hear to ensure that your "case" isn't loaded with sentimental BS. Furthermore, we need someone who doesn't bend the will of the bible to suit their propaganda..

Fair Enough. Remain neutral then.

kkins25:

Muttleylaff says homosexuality isnt a sin because the Bible doesn't say so

And he has woefully failed to present the scriptures which supports his stance. Every of his attempts ends up like flinging shit on the fan, which comes back splashing on him.

kkins25:

. I say homosexuality isn't a sin because there is no sin in the world of Biology, only favourable behaiours and unfavourable behaviours.

That wld have made any Sense if we were in a Biology class. kkins25, if you guys were talking homosexuality scientifically, I'd be the last person to even read what you type.

The only reason I'm here is because MuttleyLaff who claims to be a Christian claims that God created people with homosexuality tendencies hence its not a sin, and he is here to prove it.

I'm not talking Science, but the Bible. In this discussion, i don't care what Science say.

kkins25:

If your so called holy spirit had any authoruty here, it would have struck me along time ago.ogbenii

You say things like this, yet you accused me of pulling you down to hell? Lol. You do wickedly and bragg about it, yet you accuse someone who tries to warn you of the impending danger? Well, a day shall come that you'd wish you didn't say this.

And, Sorry. The Holy Spirit does not strike anyone. He is too Loving, Gentle and Compassionate to strike you. But don't be in a hurry sir, death is not far away now. At the end of the road whether or not you believe it, the Books shall be opened, and another Book will be opened, if your name is not found written therein, with your legs, you shall walk off to where you have destined your eternity.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be the one sending you there, you'd just go. because, even if you were taken to the presence of the Most High, your nature won't let you stay.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Psalms 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:

C.E.V(US Version) Ecclesiastes 8:12-13 They commit hundreds of crimes and live a long time, in spite of the saying: Everyone who lives right and respects God will prosper, but no one who sins and rejects God will prosper or live very long.



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MuttleyLaff:

]kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has.
This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts.[/i]"

You opened this thread to prove with Scriptural facts that homosexuality is not a sin. Pls forget about people's opinions and face your Op.

And, in this case, MuttleyLaff, our opinions does not count, as it's about what the Bible says about the Act, we are here for.

MuttleyLaff:

"The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them"

Hahahahahahaha haha. Do you want his answers reposted or you want my own answers reposted? because we have answered you.

Can some one pls tell MuttleyLaff that his questions have been answered with scriptures, so shd pls proceed with the thread?

MuttleyLaff:

"Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm?
It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors"

I treated this too. When I called you to react to it, you said you wld at mid-night, but here you are pretending not to have seen it.

MuttleyLaff:

kkins25, do you know, what I see lacking and missing with most? It is the lack of not enough grace, which is, that touch of truth, that lets you see the world in a new way. It’s a gift that can be taken, only when you’re open enough to receive and accept it.

To see the world in a NEW WAY? WTH did you just say?

Is MuttleyLaff subtly preaching 'The New World Order? You mean the ways of the Word of God are obsolete? Dear God. Jesus yesterday, today and forever the same. He never changes and His Word remains the same.

MuttleyLaff, preach your N.W.O, but keep it away from the Word of God because It cannot bend to accommodate your lies

MuttleyLaff:

kkins25, I have put the record straight about Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah etcetera a bit already with you as seen with the red inverted commas above, the rest of the instalment is on its way.

No, you didn't Muttley. I broke open your lies.

Strange flesh which you presented as 'something that does not belong to human beings' turns out 'Sexual perversion which is homosexuality.

Inhospitable attitude does not earn a sentence of death. If you say it does, present scriptures to that effect.

Rape of men was never mentioned in the Word of God. And, the rape of men to woman does not end in death, it says the man marries the raped victim whether or not he likes it.

Genesis 19:6-7 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.


MuttleyLaff, I asked you 'What wickedness was Lot referring to?'

Again, I know you won't respond to me. Yet, you screech my Moniker claiming I'm afraid of and intimidated by you

@MuttleyLaff. based on this; "I have put the record straight about Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah

Should I open a thread so that we face it specifically and see that you subtly lied?


Will you appear? I called you out before, you ghosted saying I shd come over to your thread, I am here, but you failed to react to a single post I made in response to you.

So, give me the go ahead and I will open a thread just for both of us.

What do you say?

Shepherd00:
@MuttleyLaff. based on this; "I have put the record straight about Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah

Should I open a thread so that we face it specifically and see that you subtly lied?


Will you appear? I called you out before, you ghosted saying I shd come over to your thread, I am here, but you failed to react to a single post I made in response to you.

So, give me the go ahead and I will open a thread just for both of us.

What do you say?

Hold on to your knickers Shepherd00 and please stop this your usual nonsense of jumping the gun.

I thought patience is a virtue, from a believer's biblical point of view. Please exercise some sense of self control and stop badgering me. Body nobi wood and I for one, listens to my body.

I already have to a modest degree addressed the misinformation and misunderstanding kkins25, you and others have in my soon to be uploaded reply to TV01 latest, so please rein in yours and openmine snapping at my heels.

All that you raised in your post, are virtually all addressed in my upcoming post sitting on my Mac. Please chill. I've warned you to stop drinking strong coffee nau, didn't I.

I am sorry that I missed last night's midnight deadline, but I will rather miss it than uploading a sub standard and unworthy rebuttal. My apologies to all again

PS: I love you bro, nwanne Shepherd00, and I am not avoiding you nor refusing to respond to your comments on this thread. You will soon find out my strategy for not yet immediately responding to yours first before seeing what TV01 had to stay

MuttleyLaff:
Hold on to your knickers Shepherd00 and please stop this your usual nonsense of jumping the gun.

I thought patience is a virtue, from a believer's biblical point of view. Please exercise some sense of self control and stop badgering me. Body nobi wood and I for one, listens to my body.

I already have to a modest degree addressed the misinformation and misunderstanding kkins25, you and others have in my soon to be uploaded reply to TV01 latest, so please rein in yours and openmine snapping at my heels.

All that you raised in your post, are virtually all addressed in my upcoming post sitting on my Mac. Please chill. I've warned you to stop drinking strong coffee nau, didn't I.

I am sorry that I missed last night's midnight deadline, but I will rather miss it than uploading a sub standard and unworthy rebuttal. My apologies to all again

PS: I love you bro, nwanne Shepherd00, and I am not avoiding you nor refusing to respond to your comments on this thread. You will soon find out my strategy for not yet immediately responding to yours first before seeing what TV01 had to stay

Okay then. But, I'd rather you pick out our different posts point by point directing them to us, than jumbling everyone's post in one longgggggg response. That makes it cumbersome to react to one's.

React to mine, and do so to TV01's. If we say the same thing, just point us to the one you responded to.

Your long posts are dizzying.