Shepherd00:

Okay then. But, I'd rather you pick out our different posts point by point directing them to us, than jumbling everyone's post in one longgggggg response. That makes it cumbersome to react to one's.

React to mine, and do so to TV01's. If we say the same thing, just point us to the one you responded to.

Your long posts are dizzying.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

My apologies in advance, because the coming post is long ooo. You don't expect me to let TV01 get away with murder eh

MuttleyLaff:
Thanks for your understanding and patience.

My apologies in advance, because the coming post is long ooo. You don't expect me to let TV01 get away with murder eh

Direct TV01's responses to him and mind to mine differently.

MuttleyLaff:
Thanks for your understanding and patience.

My apologies in advance, because the coming post is long ooo. You don't expect me to let TV01 get away with murder eh

So far, I can't see the murder TV01 has committed. But if you insist, it then behooves on you to present the facts (Scripturally o).

Shepherd00:
Direct TV01's responses to him and mind to mine differently.

I will now, especially since that you've specifically requested I do.

Mind you TV01 and you seem to be singing for the same hymn sheet, which explains why he endorsed all your comments on this thread, definitely so because that is what he thinks and believe

MuttleyLaff:
I will now, especially since that you've specifically requested I do.

Mind you TV01 and you seem to be singing for the same hymn sheet, which explains why he endorsed all your comments on this thread, definitely so because that is what he thinks and believe

Yes, and that is to be expected since both of us are Anti-homosexuality and bases our antagony on the same Scriptures.

He quotes the same Scriptures i quote, it'll be strange for us to have divergent views after doing so.

It seems we repeat yourselves becos we have the same views.


Sincerely, I secretly wish I am as good with words as TV01 is.

Shepherd00:
Yes, and that is to be expected since both of us are Anti-homosexuality and bases our antagony on the same Scriptures.

He quotes the same Scriptures i quote, it'll be strange for us to have divergent views after doing so.

It seems we repeat ourselves becos we have the same views.

I know. I just wanted it shared, that I am aware of the chemistry between you both and with others

Shepherd00:
Sincerely, I secretly wish I am as good with words as TV01 is.

Words are potent weapons for all causes, good or bad. If the foot slips, one can always regain one's balance, but when the tongue slips, one can never recover one's own words.

MuttleyLaff:

I know. I just wanted it shared, that I am aware of the chemistry between you both and with others

That Chemistry is called 'The Holy Spirit'.

MuttleyLaff:

Words are potent weapons for all causes, good or bad. If the foot slips, one can always regain one's balance, but when the tongue slips, one can never recover one's own words.

I agree. That's why we must be careful with Words.

I'm sorry for calling you Gay. I know you are not Gay.

I think it’s good we do justice to this discussion and it would really enrich the conversation if others made submissions or participated by asking meaningful questions.

I also think it will help to revisit points and delve a little further. With that in mind, I’d like to revisit Matthew 19:12, which MuttleyLaff cited in an attempt to make a case for his position. Lets read it in full;

Matthew 19:12 (NKJV) - For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

Now it’s quite obvious – especially to a literalist like me – that this verse is referring to eunuchs or in a sense, men that had congenital sexual dysfunction that makes them incapable, men who had been castrated, or men who were committed to living a chaste lifestyle.

That is celibacy, be that congenital, forced or chosen. Men not having any kind of sex, let alone consensual “homosex” . This is buttressed by reference to verses 10 & 11, which are about marriage and the consequences of not marrying – celibacy!

Reading from verse 3 see’s that the whole discussion is about marriage and its indissolubility. In short it’s about marriage - between a man and a woman, or not marrying.

Sex is sanctified when it's between a man and woman in a marriage union. It is not sanctified by consent! And sex outside of these confines is illicit. Fornication and adultery first, then, other forms, homsex, paedophillia, bestiality etc. which are illicit, but even more, abominable.

It is often claimed by the homosexualist advocate that this verse is in reference to “homosexuals” or men that are not attracted to women, that is SSA men, ergo gay.

However, according to the ideology typically trotted out, one cannot be forced or choose to be gay. So MuttleyLaff (and those championing the same cause), pray tell, what reading of this verse makes it relevant to this discussion – other than if it is perverted to make the case?

You see not only is there no scriptural backing for intimate ss relationships, scripture expressly prohibits such. Further, the whole of the scriptural writ normalises the union of male and female. From beginning to end. Starting with the first marriage in Genesis, to the wedding supper of the Lamb in Revelation.



TV

One of the many ideological tropes bandied around these days is “sexuality”. The most frequent pronunciations are “heterosexuality”, homosexuality and “bisexuality”.

As “rights” & “freedoms” progress and expand, we are hearing of pansexuals, asexuals, and the like. This is the worlds narrative, and it’s a huge error for believers to adopt it. Please speak as the bible speaks!

The term “homosexual” is a neologism – coined barely 2 centuries ago. And, coined specifically to give a form of legitimacy and normalcy to same-sex behaviour.

This along with the word heterosexual serve to present a false dialectic, to suggest that naturally, a person is typically one or the other. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It gets worse. As the “progressive trend arcs towards individualism and people are allowed to label themselves as they choose, to “identify” as it were, homosexual is now seen as a category of person.

Not scientifically mind, nor legally. As homosexuality cannot be proven to be biologically determined and no legal code categorises persons as “homosexual”. The word is always – where cited – qualified by the word act, or described using the term sodomy.

But let’s not stray to far from the scriptures, which after all form the basis of our understanding;

Romans 1:26 (NASB)For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

I particularly like this NASB’s rendering of these verses. Specifically it’s use of the word “function”. A number use the term “natural use”, which is fine, but I feel the word function is more apt in this case.

You see, sex is a function. Human beings – male and female – were created sexually dimorphous (and that is science). An asymmetric complimentarity that "functionally" recombines in a whole, with an outcome.

The God-given natural sexual function of males and females is rightly expressed together - with each other. Ergo, I am not a heterosexual, no one is. Just as there are no homosexuals. To call someone a homosexual or, to identify as one is basically a category error.

What I am, is a normally functioning (in sexual terms) human male. Rightfully expressing this function within the confines of marriage with a complimentary human female - just as God intended. And to His glory, there has been an outcome. Hallelujah!

Hence my use of the word “dysfunctional” to describe ss acts, which the bible also terms degrading and unnatural. So, don’t adopt the worlds narrative, don’t be seduced by what is sold by the ruler of this world.

We have the word of its Creator, why would we not hold fast? Why would we pay heed to one who would attempt to marry the 2 diametrically opposed narratives in order to sell us the wrong one?


TV

^^^^^
If this was WWE someone would have tapped out at this point.


Smack down!!!!!

bloodofthelamb:
MuttleyLaff, I have followed this topic from the other thread down to this one you created and I am impressed within me to leave my blessed opinion on this issue.

Thank you so very much bloodofthelamb for sticking your head out on to the parapet. You are another of, one of my well respected posters here in Religion, because you are sensible and intelligent. You have not just more sense than common sense but you have sense wiseness too as well

bloodofthelamb, with all due respect, by your own admission, you are advancing opinion(s) on this issue, but the issue has nothing do to with "opinions" meanwhile I, on the other hand, I am gradually unravelling, the truth and presenting the issue, as it really is, with facts. I am about stating facts but others as well as you, are bent on arguing with me, without knowing the facts. This often happens when people dont take the Bible and Bible study seriously, when we are insisted upon, to read the Bible, read it properly and in context, so that we obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and always be able to "rightly divide the word of truth."

It is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them

I read it once that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is. Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Preach the truth, and error will stand abashed

bloodofthelamb:
Homosexuality like fornication (etc) is a sin

Homosexuality, per se is not a sin, Fornication, infidelity, betrayal of trust, cheating, emotional harm or trauma etcetera is a sin in a heterosexual relationship, just as it would be in a homosexual relationship

bloodofthelamb:
but how does God see those who are engage in the act?

God sees nothing untoward in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

bloodofthelamb:
When the woman caught in adultery was brought before the great judge of the universe, he never condemned her, neither did he malign her. He simply gave her the gift of no condemnation.

Exactly my brother, but she needed not, in that sort of "set-up or frame-up" be condemned anyway bloodofthelamb

bloodofthelamb:
Homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion. Condemning and judging them can no way make them repent from it, rather it will intensify it. Christ is the only one who can truly make them free from that misdirected passion and desire, and our job is to point them to Him and not to condemn and vilify them. Jesus has not send us into the world to condemn and judge them for their short comings, but to make them know that they can be free from their sins through Christ in them.

Why dont you speak for yourself that homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion because it isnt your nature to get attracted to someone with same sex as you, hmm?

C'mon now bloodofthelamb, this is like you saying that being lefthanded is a misdirected desire and passion.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my earlier, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is bloodofthelamb. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or anyone, as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay, is like, being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here bloodofthelamb. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, that's just the way they turned out and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that, there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

bloodofthelamb:
Many believers today behaves like the Pharisees that brought that woman caught in adultery to Jesus, they think to themselves that they have the power to judge the homosexuals, while their own sins are back tracked

They are as bad as Pharisees. I see them as 21st century or modern age Pharisees. Have you noticed and seen how solite3 went AWOL and tight-lipped, after I ask him to tell me, solite3, when last did he lie and when does he think his next lie will be?

bloodofthelamb:
Jesus did not ask the Pharisees that brought the woman to him, if they have not fornicated before. Though there might be some of them who have not sinned (in terms of committing adultery) but certainly all of them have transgressed one way or another. MuttleyLaff, I am not judging you for your stand, but you are wrong with your stand.

Exactly but at the point bloodofthelamb, where you said, I am wrong on this stand, you sorely are mistaken and it is a right sorry heart wrenching shame for me to see you like this

bloodofthelamb, if homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a bloodofthelamb argument it is, then isnt it, just as bad as being a liar and/or lying? If hypothetically it is that homosexuality is a sin and/or an abomination, then why are people behaving in unpleasant ways towards homosexual(s)? Why are homosexuals singled out to bear/take/suffer etcetera the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera, huh? Is it because believers think that they are more important than they really are, when compared with fellow human beings, who by no choice of theirs, except for epigenetics, have same sex attraction, similarly like having to be lefthanded, hmm?
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PART 1, WITH OTHER TWO PARTS FOLLOWING AFTER. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS AUTO TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

Ranchhoddas:
Oga TV01.

Please humour us.
Edakun answer those four questions

Let's get this train moving.

Somebori please give this my brother a "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts. This is the kind of poster one needs as referee, good enough to be one and one who doesnt take sides. I tell you, and this thing is not going to be over until the referee blows the whistle

TV01:
Muttleylaff, you are a confirmed scoundrel and, at this point, I am finding it quite difficult to append the term “Christian” to your moniker. Your irreverent handling of the scriptures, chicanery and clunky, repetitive tone are immensely irritating to say the least.

Time is a snitch, as time will soon tell, who really is a bonafide and confirmed scoundrel between you and I. The people of Antioch had you in mind, when they made up the term Christian. It isnt going to be difficult to reveal how irreverent, dishonest and devious you needed to be, just so scriptures be misinterpreted and/or clobber biblical text verses, say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or never mean.

TV01:
Nevertheless, let me persist here. Firstly, your title; “Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union” – this is in itself an absolute non-starter.

People with the least knowledge of a matter, know about bragging very well, and the arrogance usually is a cover up, its actually, insecurities playing dress up

I am not a boastful type like you are, so I'll let my the words in my posts do the speaking for me.

TV01:
“Consensual sin” remains sin. Dressing an unbeliever in priestly garb does not make them disciple - at best a costumed actor.

You typed that “consensual sin” remains sin, right? Of course, “consensual sin” remains sin,, if its according to the "gospel" of TV01

TV01:
Like many of the so-called ministers/ministries I suspect you follow.

If you didn't see me follow anyone with your own eyes, or hear it with your own ears, don't invent it with your small mind and share it with a big mouth!

TV01:
SS behaviour or acts are fundamentally dysfunctional. SS attraction is intrinsically disordered. That is a ruined foundation. Nothing can be built atop, despite your best efforts repeated ad nauseum.

Like I've said in my earlier post above, i mean the one with the true life story incident of the then three year old, I repeat, that Jesus, in Matthew 19:12a, stated emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way, some are born from the womb, that way with same sex attraction. Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch(s), just as same as with same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

I am now re-sharing the true life story incident all over again, so that you'll get a bit of perspective from that my "some are born from the womb" comment. The person, in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and is enjoying a lovingly SSA relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all, in short, but here is the most interesting part of the story and my favourite part of it, his mum fondly recalls that, when he was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, said her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry Daddy" How do you explain, a three year old boy wanting to marry Daddy and not Mummy, hmm? How do you explain being lefthanded, hmm TV01? It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and who knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the God idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging.

TV01, get a grip of yourself please, there isnt anything remotely dysfunctional about same sex behaviour or acts. Same sex attraction is not intrinsically disordered. If it were, tell us now, what is Michelangelo intrinsically disordered about, hmm? What is Leo Varadkar intrinsically disordered about hmm? It is just like somebody being lefthanded, it is different but it still is natural, just as we cant really explain off lefthandness, so we cant with same sex attraction, behaviour or acts, except for it being epigenetics, and as in, born that way

TV01:
Now, to your questions

Glory be to God. Thank you, thank you God. "Toba to asiko lati su, idi a la", loosely translated means, "when its time to shiit, yansh must give way" so let's put hand for chin, begin watch and read how you've answered the questions then

TV01:
- even as you failed to give a considered refutation to the scriptures I posted, merely “flipping” them back to me as evidenced by another observer/participant;

You dont seem to realise that, there is a reason why I "flipped" them back at you. Whenever you catch a thief, it's best the thief is held on to by the wrist, so to prevent any chasing of it breaking free and escape. I am setting you up and getting you into a chokehold, the evidence of this the same observer/participant will testify to

TV01:
And also noting that you referenced only one scripture – Matthew 19:12 - woefully taken out of context and further mis-applied like deodorant instead of air-freshener

The Matthew 19:12a scripture, referenced by me was never woefully taken out of context, nor was it, either as deodorant or air-freshener, mis-applied. Did Jesus, not in Matthew 19:12a, state emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way, as eunuchs, from their mother's womb, as in from birth, erh? Same way, some are born from the womb with same sex attraction, hmm? Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch, just as same as same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

Like I have said in previous post(s), God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive.

Consensual adult SS attraction and SS relationships, by a God design are included, in the creational order.

Now, the reason, why most people cant accept that some people are naturally born to have same sex attraction (i.e. being gay) and this is alright, is because of them being misinformed that it is a sin to be a gay person, but that misconception will be correctly addressed here on this thread.

Let's get this straight and in perpestive, hmm. If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant child molester, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant animal fairker, you're in trouble.

If you're an unrepentant "animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo" unfaithful homosexual/lesbian, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are an adult, sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender and in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same person until death do youse apart then you are alright and good to go because it at the end of the day, is not a matter of who you love, but is a matter and down to how you love. Love reigns supreme and is eternal, on top of that, it is instructive to know that, in Christ and end of this side of eternity, there is neither male nor female.
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TV01:
Question
1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
Answer
These verses clearly outline the grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. Romans 1 specifically referring to the acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over”. 1 Corinthians 6:9 however, shows there is true hope in the gospel and with the Love of God, the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, those caught up in this sin can be freed and washed – as for any other sinful behaviour or inclination

I hope you can see why I patiently and painstakingly are trying to smoke out you out in to the open, hmm? I am trying to get a wrist hold of you, trying to get you pinned down so you dont escape, but you are doing a good work, still hiding and holding other bible verses back. Never mind, we can work with these three scriptures you've relunctantly volunteered, I mean, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The other four, you left out, which are Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and Jude 6-7, I will deal with them, when and/or as soon as you decide to bring them up

What you dont know, is that, I not only mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit so much about this subject matter.

None of the Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 verses, as in, not anywhere in them, outlined your claimed openly and alleged grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. It is a big fat lie TV01, that Romans 1 reference to acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over” had anything to do with faithful loving consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults

I hope to gradually go on unremittingly with this exposé. I am not going to be forced or intimidated to be quick or to hurry. Mind all, it is when someone screams at me to hurry up, that I then slow down, to go over what I've already so far typed or written, so let it be known that I am not in a hurry to do this, a gentleman, afterall, is never in a hurry.

What I need is a rapt audience. I just want readers to pay complete attention to every ounce of this exposé and/or be completely involved in it all. Everything I type is facts only. They all can be verified and fact-checked

Now, before, tackling these TV01 et al Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 verses, let's just first, lay down some pertinent, "for your information(s)" (i.e. fyi)
1/ From time immemorial, same sex attraction and/or same sex relationship always make up, less than 5% of worldwide population, so has never being and wont ever be a threat to anything or anyone, just as infertiles of all sorts arent.
2/ God never said he hated homosexual(s) or homosexual acts per se, so please if you believed this, stop lying to yourself and stop deceiving others with your crass ignorance.
3/ If you are adamant, then show me in the Bible where God outrightly said he hates homosexuality, homosexual or homosexual acts per se and be prepared to clearly, cleanly and correctly defend it
4/ The words, homosexuality and homosexual are not in the original texts of the Bible
In fact, the words homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually are words that's barely 200 years old.
The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that, the word "homosexual" was first printed in a German book in 1869, and then after placed in the German Bible in 1946 and later then in the English bible in 1950s.
5/ God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act of my purview
6/ It is glaring, except if in denial, what the meaning of Paul's "malakois" and "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 translated to "homosexual" ( or homosexual acts in 1946 and 1950s are
7/ If you know, you know, that there is no sin grading. No sin, except for the one against the Holy Spirit, is bigger than any other sin. If you're sinful, you are a sinner. Period and that's all, even if the occassional lies, white lies and all too. So even, if same sex attraction were to a be a sin, thank God it isnt, then stop being like a lot of inexcusable people on this thread, looking and pointing at the speck, in a brother's eye, but failing to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.
8/ Greed, covetousness, and lust are improper homosexual and heterosexual desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity etcetera but equally is at a detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another or other person(s) whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise
9/ There's a lot of things when you read in the Bible you have to know what you're reading about, know the context, the history of it and the customs of the land and so you know what these words, like in #6 etcetera originally means
10/ All the scriptures, that most Christians, whatnot or otherwise, the likes of TV01, elated177, jesusjnr, shepherd00, solite3, Goshen360, openmine, alBHAGDADI, VBCampaign, Ubenedictus, ujnwachukwu, Image123, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, kkins25 etcetera use to condemn consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults, do not talk about consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults at all.
11/ The word sodomite, historically and originally, was never and is not another word for consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults (i.e. not gays or homosexual). The word sodomite, from the on set, as in the Bible, is a word originally meant for a male temple prostitute(s) and never the definition of consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships (i.e. gays)
so be a good idea to understand the
12/ In Paul's day there were at least, 17 words in Greek that Paul could have used to talk about gays if he wanted to say gay is sin but instead of using any of those already existing 17 Greek words, Paul invented and coined a new Greek word, "arsenokoites", it is the word I have been mentioning up above. Now for the attention of my lovely two brothers TV01 and Shepherd00, Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when the pronouncement Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were made and/or given
13/ Bearing in mind, that, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen. Now TV01, Shepherd00, openmine and others, dont you think, it would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", that, in his construct, he used, man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural, hmm? Has the penny dropped yet, erh?
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OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)

None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)

TV01:
Question
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
Answer
Your purview as I have noted above is an utterly bogus premise. I have stated why

There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.

How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses

This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on

I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them

As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera

TV01:
Question
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
Answer
God would not have to specifically condemn SS unions anymore than he would have had to (under the law) specifically condemn a bacon sandwich shop – i.e. if pork is forbidden, an enterprise based on pork products does not need to be expressly mentioned. Duh?

Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union

TV01:
Question
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"
Answer
Beautifully responded to in question 1 above.

"Ayama" loosely translated means "rubbish". Oga abeggy, comot for jor ojaare. Pitifully responded to and not beautifully, is more like it and what I would rather admit to. "Shebi o mọ iwe, shebi o kawe", loosely translated means "you know book now, you know how to read books now", then just keep on reading sha, and get ready to be snapped back to reality and the real world.

TV01:
Bonus responses
1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker?
Dude, you are running a campaign – and most insidiously at that. Quit with the fake piety and scholarly apprehensions

ThothHermes, why is it that TV01 hates answering simple easy direct straightword questions, hmm? Is until you get on his case before he will answer this now, just like he dilly dallied the other time until you pulled him to attention, erh?

TV01:
2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin?
Disordered, dysfunctional, depraved’ Expressely condemned by scripture. If you haven’t got that by now, I can’t really help. Especially in the absence of a well exegeted rebuttal – see what I did there

I grinned too, except mine was actually a grin of disappointment at your feeble reply that's without aplomb, especially when in a demanding situation like this one

TV01:
3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships?
As above. Also it pollutes the land

I actually literally laughed out loud at that part of your reply, that said: "it pollutes the land"

TV01:
3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships?
The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity Consent does not sanctify sin. Nor does word salad

How do you mean that:"The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity"

TV01:
4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together.
Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.

I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.

As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?

Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.

By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education.

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.

What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, solite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.

The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.

It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised

It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.

To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?

TV01:
5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together.
Done repeatedly. It's now down to you to offer a reasoned response to the scriptures provided and explicated.
TV

[img]https://s1/images/Abomi.jpg[/img]

What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day

People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about,
1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination?
2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable?
3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?

All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.

Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer

They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.

Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about

There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had already auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttWipesHandSmile.gif[/img]
Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment,
so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony
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Shepherd00:
That Chemistry is called 'The Holy Spirit'.

I agree. That's why we must be careful with Words.

My brother ultimately we want to have the correct scriptural interpretation and be led by the Holy spirit but this is not going to happen if "the jacket, shirt/blouse, trousers and shoes put on look too big on some of us" We are urged to beef up, grow in and into the Spirit. Fill up and out into jacket, shirt/blouse, trousers and shoes so they fit snuggly and perfectly.

Shepherd00:
I'm sorry for calling you Gay. I know you are not Gay.

Shepherd00, as a typical full bloodied Naija man that you are, I know you are not very good at saying sorry, but then, you’ve apologised for calling me gay, though you know I am not gay.

An apology is a lovely perfume, it can transform the clumsiest moment into a gracious gift. You apologising to me, doesn't mean you're wrong and somebody is right. It just means you value the peace of mind with yourself and God, more than your ego. I knew it was never your intention to hurt me or cause me pain, so I never was bothered nor took anything to heart

Have you ever noticed, that people would rather stop speaking to you, instead of apologising. The first to apologise is the bravest. The first to forgive is the strongest and the first to forget is the happiest

Sometimes being yourself or you, is not always going to be agreeable to someone else, so I too, I am sorry. I am sorry Shepherd00, for being Me and so apologise to you too brother

PS: Sorry Shepherd00 for the lengthy post up there, that I am seeing you now reading. As dem say, plenty information dey inside one kobo book

MuttleyLaff:
PART 3 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)

None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)

There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.

How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses

This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on

I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them

As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera

Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union

"Ayama" loosely translated means "rubbish". Oga abeggy, comot for jor ojaare. Pitifully responded to and not beautifully, is more like it and what I would rather admit to. "Shebi o mọ iwe, shebi o kawe", loosely translated means "you know book now, you know how to read books now", then just keep on reading sha, and get ready to be snapped back to reality and the real world.

ThothHermes, why is it that TV01 hates answering simple easy direct straightword questions, hmm? Is until you get on his case before he will answer this now, just like he dilly dallied the other time until you pulled him to attention, erh?

I grinned too, except mine was actually a grin of disappointment at your feeble reply that's without aplomb, especially when in a demanding situation like this one

I actually literally laughed out loud at that part of your reply, that said: "it pollutes the land"

How do you mean that:"The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity"

I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.

As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?

Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.

By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education.

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.

What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, silite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... [b]for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.

The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what[/b] "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.

It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised

It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.

To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?

[img]https://s1/images/Abomi.jpg[/img]

What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day

People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about,
1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination?
2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable?
3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?

All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.

Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer

They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.

Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about

There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had alreadt auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.

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Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment,
so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony
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This post is too long

Shepherd00:
This post is too long

I did warn you yesterday, it was going to be long, and I have apologised to you just now in my postscript above, for it being long.

I would advise you bookmark it, and read the three sections, carefully and thoughtfully during your break and in privacy, without any distractions

Extraodinary lies requires an extraordinary long reply, dont you agree.

^^^^

#InJonChampion'svoice#

Is this the rope-a-dope? This must be the rope-a-dope!

What a comeback, what a comeback!
Counter attack, gegenpressing, all in three moves. Ladies and gentlemen we have a contest on our hands!

To gay or not to gay?

After VAR review...

TV 8

Muttley 8

This funny poster above me

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you so very much bloodofthelamb for sticking your head out on to the parapet. You are another of, one of my well respected posters here in Religion, because you are sensible and intelligent. You have not just more sense than common sense but you have sense wiseness too as well

bloodofthelamb, with all due respect, by your own admission, you are advancing opinion(s) on this issue, but the issue has nothing do to with "opinions" meanwhile I, on the other hand, I am gradually unravelling, the truth and presenting the issue, as it really is, with facts. I am about stating facts but others as well as you, are bent on arguing with me, without knowing the facts. This often happens when people dont take the Bible and Bible study seriously, when we are insisted upon, to read the Bible, read it properly and in context, so that we obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and always be able to "rightly divide the word of truth."

It is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them

I read it once that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is. Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Preach the truth, and error will stand abashed

Homosexuality, per se is not a sin, Fornication, infidelity, betrayal of trust, cheating, emotional harm or trauma etcetera is a sin in a heterosexual relationship, just as it would be in a homosexual relationship

God sees nothing untoward in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

Exactly my brother, but she needed not, in that sort of "set-up or frame-up" be condemned anyway bloodofthelamb

Why dont you speak for yourself that homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion because it isnt your nature to get attracted to someone with same sex as you, hmm?

C'mon now bloodofthelamb, this is like you saying that being lefthanded is a misdirected desire and passion.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my earlier, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is bloodofthelamb. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or anyone, as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay, is like, being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here bloodofthelamb. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, that's just the way they turned out and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that, there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

They are as bad as Pharisees. I see them as 21st century or modern age Pharisees. Have you noticed and seen how solite3 went AWOL and tight-lipped, after I ask him to tell me, solite3, when last did he lie and when does he think his next lie will be?

Exactly but at the point bloodofthelamb, where you said, I am wrong on this stand, you sorely are mistaken and it is a right sorry heart wrenching shame for me to see you like this

bloodofthelamb, if homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a bloodofthelamb argument it is, then isnt it, just as bad as being a liar and/or lying? If hypothetically it is that homosexuality is a sin and/or an abomination, then why are people behaving in unpleasant ways towards homosexual(s)? Why are homosexuals singled out to bear/take/suffer etcetera the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera, huh? Is it because believers think that they are more important than they really are, when compared with fellow human beings, who by no choice of theirs, except for epigenetics, have same sex attraction, similarly like having to be lefthanded, hmm?
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I took my time to go through your rebuttal of bloodofthelamb,and to tell you that am truely disappointed is an understatement!

First,its shocking to compare being left handed or right hand to being a homosexual.... the comparison doesn't even connect!

Both hands were made by God and he never at any point choose which hand we must specifically use to eat or take something or condemn or relegate any!

Well,I don't want to even delve into that because that will bring another endless argument about hand usage!

However,its amazing that of all the rebuttal to bloodofthelamb,you only used your own "opinions" and not scriptures.....you could have lifted at least three scriptures to buttress your argument!

This is not about 'homosexual per se'....let's call a spade a spade! homosexuality is homosexuality whether consensually or otherwise!

both are shameful in the sight of God and the scriptures are there to prove it!

Please return back to this rebuttal and show scriptures to substantiate your submissions!
Thank you!

openmine:

I took my time to go through your rebuttal of bloodofthelamb,and to tell you that am truely disappointed is an understatement!

First,its shocking to compare being left handed or right hand to being a homosexual.... the comparison doesn't even connect!

Both hands were made by God and he never at any point choose which hand we must specifically use to eat or take something or condemn or relegate any!

Well,I don't want to even delve into that because that will bring another endless argument about hand usage!

However,its amazing that of all the rebuttal to bloodofthelamb,you only used your own "opinions" and not scriptures.....you could have lifted at least three scriptures to buttress your argument!

This is not about 'homosexual per se'....let's call a spade a spade! homosexuality is homosexuality whether consensually or otherwise!

both are shameful in the sight of God and the scriptures are there to prove it!

Please return back to this rebuttal and show scriptures to substantiate your submissions!
Thank you!

I hope you are not visually impaired, hmm openmine?.

Some people sha, a three part reply, as he comes on here, saying not a single rebuttal. SMH.

MuttleyLaff:
PART 1, WITH OTHER TWO PARTS FOLLOWING AFTER. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS AUTO TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

Somebori please give this my brother a "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts. This is the kind of poster one needs as referee, good enough to be one and one who doesnt take sides. I tell you, and this thing is not going to be over until the referee blows the whistle

Time is a snitch, as time will soon tell, who really is a bonafide and confirmed scoundrel between you and I. The people of Antioch had you in mind, when they made up the term Christian. It isnt going to be difficult to reveal how irreverent, dishonest and devious you needed to be, just so scriptures be misinterpreted and/or clobber biblical text verses, say things it never said, didnt say and doesnt say and/or never mean.

People with the least knowledge of a matter, know about bragging very well, and the arrogance usually is a cover up, its actually, insecurities playing dress up

I am not a boastful type like you are, so I'll let my the words in my posts do the speaking for me.

You typed that “consensual sin” remains sin, right? Of course, “consensual sin” remains sin,, if its according to the "gospel" of TV01

If you didn't see me follow anyone with your own eyes, or hear it with your own ears, don't invent it with your small mind and share it with a big mouth!

Like I've said in my earlier post above, i mean the one with the true life story incident of the then three year old, I repeat, that Jesus, in Matthew 19:12a, stated emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way, some are born from the womb, that way with same sex attraction. Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch(s), just as same as with same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

I am now re-sharing the true life story incident all over again, so that you'll get a bit of perspective from that my "some are born from the womb" comment. The person, in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and is enjoying a lovingly SSA relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all, in short, but here is the most interesting part of the story and my favourite part of it, his mum fondly recalls that, when he was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, said her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry Daddy" How do you explain, a three year old boy wanting to marry Daddy and not Mummy, hmm? How do you explain being lefthanded, hmm TV01? It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and who knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the God idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging.

TV01, get a grip of yourself please, there isnt anything remotely dysfunctional about same sex behaviour or acts. Same sex attraction is not intrinsically disordered. If it were, tell us now, what is Michelangelo intrinsically disordered about, hmm? What is Leo Varadkar intrinsically disordered about hmm? It is just like somebody being lefthanded, it is different but it still is natural, just as we cant really explain off lefthandness, so we cant with same sex attraction, behaviour or acts, except for it being epigenetics, and as in, born that way

Glory be to God. Thank you, thank you God. "Toba to asiko lati su, idi a la", loosely translated means, "when its time to shiit, yansh must give way" so let's put hand for chin, begin watch and read how you've answered the questions then

You dont seem to realise that, there is a reason why I "flipped" them back at you. Whenever you catch a thief, it's best the thief is held on to by the wrist, so to prevent any chasing of it breaking free and escape. I am setting you up and getting you into a chokehold, the evidence of this the same observer/participant will testify to

The Matthew 19:12a scripture, referenced by me was never woefully taken out of context, nor was it, either as deodorant or air-freshener, mis-applied. Did Jesus, not in Matthew 19:12a, state emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way, as eunuchs, from their mother's womb, as in from birth, erh? Same way, some are born from the womb with same sex attraction, hmm? Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch, just as same as same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

Like I have said in previous post(s), God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive.

Consensual adult SS attraction and SS relationships, by a God design are included, in the creational order.

Now, the reason, why most people cant accept that some people are naturally born to have same sex attraction (i.e. being gay) and this is alright, is because of them being misinformed that it is a sin to be a gay person, but that misconception will be correctly addressed here on this thread.

Let's get this straight and in perpestive, hmm. If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant child molester, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant animal fairker, you're in trouble.

If you're an unrepentant "animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo" unfaithful homosexual/lesbian, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are an adult, sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender and in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same person until death do youse apart then you are alright and good to go because it at the end of the day, is not a matter of who you love, but is a matter and down to how you love. Love reigns supreme and is eternal, on top of that, it is instructive to know that, in Christ and end of this side of eternity, there is neither male nor female.
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hmmmm....I didn't want to read through too much words...I was only interested in the scriptures you put forward!
Matthew 19:12a....?
How does homosexuality come into that scripture?

I have used different translations and there is no correlation with homosexuals or that there was any support for it!
hmmmm....

MuttleyLaff:
I hope you are not visually impaired, hmm openmine?.

Some people sha, a three part reply, as he comes on here, saying not a single rebuttal. SMH.

You made a rebuttal right?
and i replied the one that was in reply to bloodofthelamb which you didnt give out a scripture....maybe you should be the one with the visually impaired tag
Chill am replying every rebuttal one by one!

openmine:

You made a rebuttal right?
and i replied the one that was in reply to bloodofthelamb which you didnt give out a scripture....maybe you should be the one with the visually impaired tag
Chill am replying every rebuttal one by one!

I didn't have to, knowing fully well that all his opinions are addressed in my subsequent posts that followed, which I repeatedly mentioned you in as a fya

MuttleyLaff:
PART 2 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

I hope you can see why I patiently and painstakingly are trying to smoke out you out in to the open, hmm? I am trying to get a wrist hold of you, trying to get you pinned down so you dont escape, but you are doing a good work, still hiding and holding other bible verses back. Never mind, we can work with these three scriptures you've relunctantly volunteered, I mean, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The other four, you left out, which are Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and Jude 6-7, I will deal with them, when and/or as soon as you decide to bring them up

What you dont know, is that, I not only mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit so much about this subject matter.

None of the Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 verses, as in, not anywhere in them, outlined your claimed openly and alleged grievously sinful nature of homosexual acts. It is a big fat lie TV01, that Romans 1 reference to acts as against nature and a hallmark of judgement against a people, as they utterly rebel against the will of God and are subsequently “given-over” had anything to do with faithful loving consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults

I hope to gradually go on unremittingly with this exposé. I am not going to be forced or intimidated to be quick or to hurry. Mind all, it is when someone screams at me to hurry up, that I then slow down, to go over what I've already so far typed or written, so let it be known that I am not in a hurry to do this, a gentleman, afterall, is never in a hurry.

What I need is a rapt audience. I just want readers to pay complete attention to every ounce of this exposé and/or be completely involved in it all. Everything I type is facts only. They all can be verified and fact-checked

Now, before, tackling these TV01 et al Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 verses, let's just first, lay down some pertinent, "for your information(s)" (i.e. fyi)
1/ From time immemorial, same sex attraction and/or same sex relationship always make up, less than 5% of worldwide population, so has never being and wont ever be a threat to anything or anyone, just as infertiles of all sorts arent.
2/ God never said he hated homosexual(s) or homosexual acts per se, so please if you believed this, stop lying to yourself and stop deceiving others with your crass ignorance.
3/ If you are adamant, then show me in the Bible where God outrightly said he hates homosexuality, homosexual or homosexual acts per se and be prepared to clearly, cleanly and correctly defend it
4/ The words, homosexuality and homosexual are not in the original texts of the Bible
In fact, the words homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually are words that's barely 200 years old.
The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that, the word "homosexual" was first printed in a German book in 1869, and then after placed in the German Bible in 1946 and later then in the English bible in 1950s.
5/ God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act of my purview
6/ It is glaring, except if in denial, what the meaning of Paul's "malakois" and "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 translated to "homosexual" ( or homosexual acts in 1946 and 1950s are
7/ If you know, you know, that there is no sin grading. No sin, except for the one against the Holy Spirit, is bigger than any other sin. If you're sinful, you are a sinner. Period and that's all, even if the occassional lies, white lies and all too. So even, if same sex attraction were to a be a sin, thank God it isnt, then stop being like a lot of inexcusable people on this thread, looking and pointing at the speck, in a brother's eye, but failing to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.
8/ Greed, covetousness, and lust are improper homosexual and heterosexual desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity etcetera but equally is at a detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another or other person(s) whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise
9/ There's a lot of things when you read in the Bible you have to know what you're reading about, know the context, the history of it and the customs of the land and so you know what these words, like in #6 etcetera originally means
10/ All the scriptures, that most Christians, whatnot or otherwise, the likes of TV01, elated177, jesusjnr, shepherd00, solite3, Goshen360, openmine, alBHAGDADI, VBCampaign, Ubenedictus, ujnwachukwu, Image123, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, kkins25 etcetera use to condemn consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults, do not talk about consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults at all.
11/ The word sodomite, historically and originally, was never and is not another word for consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults (i.e. not gays or homosexual). The word sodomite, from the on set, as in the Bible, is a word originally meant for a male temple prostitute(s) and never the definition of consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships (i.e. gays)
so be a good idea to understand the
12/ In Paul's day there were at least, 17 words in Greek that Paul could have used to talk about gays if he wanted to say gay is sin but instead of using any of those already existing 17 Greek words, Paul invented and coined a new Greek word, "arsenokoites", it is the word I have been mentioning up above. Now for the attention of my lovely two brothers TV01 and Shepherd00, Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when the pronouncement Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were made and/or given
13/ Bearing in mind, that, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen. Now TV01, Shepherd00, openmine and others, dont you think, it would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", that, in his construct, he used, man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural, hmm? Has the penny dropped yet, erh?
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Firstly,you made out too many words without even using scriptures to substantiate your claims!
For instance,You said God likes homosexual acts but you never provided scriptures to show where he does or where he allows such...rather you are trying to prove fruitlessly why the scriptures provided by others are invalid when in fact they are more than explicit for one to see no matter the analogy that you involve!
You said God loves homosexual acts right? Provide Scriptures please!
You said God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act (which i consider insult to the most high God who created a man and woman for a purpose) but let me allow you prove with scriptures!

openmine:

Firstly,you made out too many words without even using scriptures to substantiate your claims!
For instance,You said God likes homosexual acts but you never provided scriptures to show where he does or where he allows such...rather you are trying to prove fruitlessly why the scriptures provided by others are invalid when in fact they are more than explicit for one to see no matter the analogy that you involve!
You said God loves homosexual acts right? Provide Scriptures please!
You said God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act (which i consider insult to the most high God who created a man and woman for a purpose) but let me allow you prove with scriptures!

For the sake of crying out loud, in light of the 3-section long lengthy reply I made, could you please provide when and where, in scriptures, God said He hates homosexuals or detests homosexual acts in per se.

Please also show, where God objected to it and I'll do same, showing you Jesus not minding pr objecting to it but actually praised the homosexual for his unmatching faith, and that is besides him, already building a "church" for the Israelites to worship in

You're tripping if you think I'm wading through that!

MuttleyLaff:
For the sake of crying out loud, in light of the 3-section long lengthy reply I made, could you please provide when and where, in scriptures, God said He hates homosexuals or detests homosexual acts in per se.

Bro see to be honest i dont feel your back and forth which you are trying to do!
First,you created this thread TO PROVE WITH SCRIPTURES that God does not hate homosexual acts!
Now you made some assertions that you didn't prove with the scriptures...hence,i asked you where God explicitly allows homosexual acts and you throw the question back to me....does that make sense?
You said God does not hate homosexual acts and allows such...now use the scriptures to show where such is allowed by God!
Isn't that why you created the thread in the first place? smh

openmine:

Bro see to be honest i dont feel your back and forth which you are trying to do!
First,you created this thread TO PROVE WITH SCRIPTURES that God does not hate homosexual acts!
Now you made some assertions that you didn't prove with the scriptures...hence,i asked you where God explicitly allows homosexual acts and you throw the question back to me....does that make sense?
You said God does not hate homosexual acts and allows such...now use the scriptures to show where such is allowed by God!
Isn't that why you created the thread in the first place? smh

Please stop this shenanigan crafty games you are playing. You and your clique claim God hates homosexuals and detests the homosexuality acts isn't it? I have painstakingly enumerated how this lie has been perpetrated. I have presented facts, facts that can be verified and fact checked to see if what I type were incorrect.

Just this week, the Pope, has put forward that part of the Lord's prayer in the Bible, should be changed. Well that is yet another mistake and mistranslation he is trying to correct.

Bury your head in the sand, stick to your guns, and hold your foot in the ground, it's no concern to me, if the truth is too harsh for your eyes to see it. I'll soon be shaking off the dust of my slippers concerning you.

budaatum:
You're tripping if you think I'm wading through that!

You know the score now. Suit yourself

MuttleyLaff:
PART 3 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG

OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)

None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)

There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.

How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses

This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on

I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them

As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera

Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union

"Ayama" loosely translated means "rubbish". Oga abeggy, comot for jor ojaare. Pitifully responded to and not beautifully, is more like it and what I would rather admit to. "Shebi o mọ iwe, shebi o kawe", loosely translated means "you know book now, you know how to read books now", then just keep on reading sha, and get ready to be snapped back to reality and the real world.

ThothHermes, why is it that TV01 hates answering simple easy direct straightword questions, hmm? Is until you get on his case before he will answer this now, just like he dilly dallied the other time until you pulled him to attention, erh?

I grinned too, except mine was actually a grin of disappointment at your feeble reply that's without aplomb, especially when in a demanding situation like this one

I actually literally laughed out loud at that part of your reply, that said: "it pollutes the land"

How do you mean that:"The acts are forms or worship and a gateway for demonic activity"

I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.

As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?

Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.

By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education.

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.

What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, silite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... [b]for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.

The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what[/b] "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.

It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised

It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.

To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?

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What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day

People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about,
1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination?
2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable?
3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?

All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.

Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer

They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.

Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about

There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had alreadt auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.

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Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment,
so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony
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Yet again i took my time to go through your posts though long....
However,I believe the scriptures both old and new are explicit about the acts
It doesn't matter when the word homosexual was coined out
when a man is intimate sexually with a man as he would do to a woman,he is in the present engaging in homosexual acts!

Leviticus 20:13 The Message (MSG)
13 “If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

Romans 1:27
27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did [b]shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.[/b]

I could bring up different translation for this verse,however,what makes this scripture very clear and direct is the fact that such acts are unnatural and shameful before God!

Bro,you only countered their scriptures which to me wasn't good enough to justify the homosexual acts,however,its your reponsibility as an advocate of homosexuality to show with scriptures where homosexuality is permitted by God!

God through paul said its unnatural and shameful,you think and believe otherwise...now show with scriptures that God permits the act of "men having sex with men"!

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop this shenanigan crafty games you are playing. You and your clique claim God hates homosexuals and detests the homosexuality acts isn't it? I have painstakingly enumerated how this lie has been perpetrated. I have presented facts, facts that can be verified and fact checked to see if what I type were incorrect.

Just this week, the Pope, has put forward that part of the Lord's prayer in the Bible, should be changed. Well that is yet another mistake and mistranslation he is trying to correct.

Bury your head in the sand, stick to your guns, and hold your foot in the ground, it's no concern to me, if the truth is too harsh for your eyes to see it. I'll soon be shaking off the dust of my slippers concerning you.

See am neither in any clique or in nor way trying to play games!
This is a serious issue and i dont joke with such!
I also dont have time for too much words!
You made a thread in order to PROVE WITH RELEVANT SCRIPTURES why God permits 'men having sex with men'!
Instead of countering the submissions of others,you should have created this thread with your first submissions outlining quite clearly where God allowed SS unions....or isn't that why you created the thread ab initio?