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Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Evangkatsoulis: 6:32am On Jun 10, 2019 |
hakeem4: 1st law of thermodynamics is just a law of observation. It has never been proved neither has it been shown to be false. So if energy was indeed created it means our first law of thermodynamics does not always hold true. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Evangkatsoulis: 6:45am On Jun 10, 2019 |
plaetton:which immutable mathematical laws? The same math founded on axioms/assumptions that can not be proven? |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Lxdd: 7:49am On Jun 10, 2019 |
Evangkatsoulis:Can you give an example of such axioms?? |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Evangkatsoulis: 8:52am On Jun 10, 2019 |
Lxdd: shooo, all mathematic theorems all start with axioms e.g. Euclidean and hyperbolic geometry. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by malvisguy212: 9:36am On Jun 10, 2019 |
plaetton:bro, science had not explained everything in our UNIVERS , so would it be a good idea to have so much faith in it ? |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by LordReed(m): 10:02am On Jun 10, 2019 |
grandstar: Please link the peer reviewed paper that said that. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by grandstar(m): 10:06am On Jun 10, 2019 |
LordReed: Sorry, I meant to say life can't come from a nonliving thing. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by grandstar(m): 10:13am On Jun 10, 2019 |
LordReed: Sorry,I meant life can not eminate from s non living thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by LordReed(m): 11:02am On Jun 10, 2019 |
grandstar: That is not a conclusion that life cannot come from non-living things. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Lxdd: 12:23pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Evangkatsoulis:No oo.. Give example of an axiom that you think has no proof |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by vaxx: 12:53pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Lxdd:Why don't you read up. Axioms are self evident , it can't be proven because it require no proof. Mathematical proofs are based on axioms... |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Lxdd: 6:21pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
vaxx:*require no proof* |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by vaxx: 6:38pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Lxdd:Yes it is the starting assumption and such has no proof unless you want to enter into infinite regress of explanation. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Lxdd: 7:03pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
vaxx:Exactly. So requiring no proof doesn't mean they're not immutable. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by vaxx: 8:38pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Lxdd:because mathematics is based in its own assumption, And since axioms don’t change, every truth descending from them cannot change. In practice … it is self-constructed and self evident. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by dalaman: 9:21pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
grandstar: Life can come from non living things. A seed is a none living thing but plants come from it. . |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by dalaman: 9:24pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
malvisguy212: Religion hasn't explained anything apart from making empty assumptions and claims. Science is the only thing that has claim to nature, religion is nothing but traditional fables and mythologies. 1 Like |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by vaxx: 9:44pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
dalaman:seed are 100 percent living thing, they are embedded with stored energy , just looking for where to begin their growth in a good condition. Stop subscribing to misconception . Get some botany book and read . No fact based evidence to support that life can emanate from non living things, the hypothesis is very weak compare to the hypothetical condition that state life birth life |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by asalimpo(m): 10:11pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
LordReed:i assume that u r mocking,but if not, that u r sincerely curious,then i'll ask- how would you know how to evaluate the attempted answers you get? What if some1 just answered right off the top of their heads? If you hav an objective way of evaluating answers,then y not go get d answers for yourself instead of waiting for some1 to do the work for you? |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by asalimpo(m): 10:34pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
LordReed:life cant come from nonlife. If it could,then life could simply b manufctured via any mechanical process. Then, human beings could simply be mabufctured in a lab. This would mean that all life is mechanical. Now,if this hypotheses is true,it creates so many issues nd contradictions: There is no evil? Can a car be good or bad? It's just a mechanical object. Can a tree falling nd crushing a bridge b wicked? Are humans simulations in a computer? Life has no meaning! Where did they get desires for religion? Etc |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by Nobody: 5:32am On Jun 11, 2019 |
No, it's nature and her laws that are instead obedient to God who is not just the Lawmaker of nature, but also the (sovereign) Law of nature, by whom all laws of nature are determined. Therefore God can decide to follow it or not to follow it, for He's not subject to it, but it is subject to Him. The only Law that God is subject to is the Law of His Kingdom, hence the laws of nature may change and may pass away, but the Law of God's Kingdom would never change or pass away because It is a constant and abides forever. And it was for this purpose that God gave man the Law of His kingdom in the beginning, so that man could become like God and hence be to able defy the laws of nature as God was able to do if man if kept it. But then man disobeyed the Law of the Kingdom of God and hence his inability to defy the laws of nature, but instead become subject to it. But when man obeys the Law of God's Kingdom, man is able to defy the laws of nature as God Himself is able to do, for this was how Jesus was able defy the laws of nature, that saw Him walk upon the sea(Matthew 8:23-27), pass through walls and shut doors with His flesh and bones(John 20:19), command nature to become still when it was raging and have nature obey His Voice(Matthew 14:25-32) etc. And this was also how His disciples were able to emulate His ability to defy nature, for nature and her laws are subject to anyone that is subject to the Law of the Kingdom of God. So for any human who wants to be able to defy the laws of nature and for nature to be subject to him/her as it is with God and was with Jesus and the disciples of Jesus, the person ought to become subject the Law which is superior to and supercedes every other law, inclusive of the laws of nature, which is the Law of the Kingdom of God, for then and only then would the laws of nature be subject to the person as God had intended for it to be in the beginning. Genesis 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by LordReed(m): 6:40am On Jun 11, 2019 |
asalimpo: Do you have an experience you want to share? |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by LordReed(m): 6:42am On Jun 11, 2019 |
asalimpo: You didn't read the linked webpage. Read then come back and discuss. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by asalimpo(m): 10:46am On Jun 11, 2019 |
LordReed:Did you read it yourself? because it doesnt justify the far flung conclusion you r trying to reach. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by LordReed(m): 11:15am On Jun 11, 2019 |
asalimpo: What far flung conclusion is that? |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by LordReed(m): 12:20pm On Jun 11, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Have you ever experienced something from your god that defied the natural laws as we know them? 1 Like |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by malvisguy212: 5:03pm On Jun 11, 2019 |
dalaman:before the advancement of science, it baffled me how the people of old discovered planet and many things without the help of telescope. |
Re: Believers, Does Your God Obey The Natural Laws Of Nature? by dalaman: 6:00pm On Jun 11, 2019 |
malvisguy212: Some Planets can be seen from the earth without any telescope . |
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