OkCornel:
Mr MuttleyLaff, what then should we say of homosexuals and lesbians that repented from such acts after having an encounter with Jesus... Do we call them liars?

What does Romans 8:1 say Mr OkCornel?

Never mind, I'll tell. It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So OkCornel, how can you try to, now curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

OkCornel:
Besides...if your father happened to be a staunch homosexual, you won't be here discussing with us...

If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to be or didnt happen to be a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone. Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

OkCornel, being homosexual/lesbian, you see, doesnt exclude biblically or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? Please advise me, if it does.

OkCornel:
Anyways, back to the matter on ground. Is homosexuality acceptable before God?

Of course homosexuality, of and/or to a certain degree is acceptable to God

OkCornel:
The scriptures to be discussed will be put up now...

OkCornel, I've earlier, more than one time, told you, I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

Let's look at scriptures, to discuss, as you put it. Let's from the discussion, confirm the true and original meaning of the words "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two earlier mentioned to be in 1 Timothy 1:10, before the lies they are now and currently are stating them to be, though they arent at all so, hmm?

Lets start with deconstructing those first before grabbing and/or holding on to Leviticus 18:22, or its sister verse Leviticus 20:13, to explain, what they really mean, why and how the term abomination that appears in them is so to God. Romans 1:26-27, too is up for grabs as well, we can check it together and find out, what contextually that scripture is about OkCornel. Other passages are fair game, I am wiling to stand alongside you, reviewing them together

One of my overzealous fans, that I put on "Ignore Mode On" because of his dedicated heckling conduct, in a way that shows poor judgement, mentioned paedophilia on this thread, when all we've been talking about is consensual adults in a mutual faithful, caring, loving, kind, truthful settings. Would you believe it OkCornel, he tried to sling in sexual attraction to prepubescent children into the discussion. That is not just "wikid" but is WIVIL (i.e. wicked+evil) thinking. Funny people everywhere. Nothing wey meh-guard gateman no go see for gate.

Another one, in the person of Shepherd00, had the audacity to ask me, that where in the Bible, does it categorically and/or specifically talk against paedophilia and necrophilia. I am not surprised as Shepherd00 doesnt read, talkess read the Bible to know where. Very soon or later, someone else will bring up and be yanking my leg about bestiality, you just watch OkCornel. The whole joke things just tire me. Wetin vigilante, no go see and read for midnight or dead in the night 3:10 am time like this, erh OkCornel?

Lets see OkCornel, whether or not these lies, havent been perpetrated and used to demonise homosexuality that is acceptable before God. I've known you OkCornel, to be an objective person on other matter(s), let's see how far you maintain your objectivity or how far it goes, hmm?

If it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely heckler makes me out to be, saying "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts.

All I am pleading with you OkCornel, is to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I am not asking nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, but let's present the facts, let's examine and/or inspect them closely and thoroughly together, deconstruct these lies & myths, then leave the facts, to speak for themselves.
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Network on my laptop is messed up.

I'm typing this from my phone right now...and I can't do much...

Lemme get the network issue sorted...

Good morning everyone.

OkCornel:
Network on my laptop is messed up.
I'm typing this from my phone right now...and I can't do much...
Lemme get the network issue sorted...
Good morning everyone.

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MuttleyLaff:
What does Romans 8:1 say Mr OkCornel?

Never mind, I'll tell. It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So OkCornel, how can you try to, now curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

Muttley, this does not answer my question. I asked if those who were delivered from their homosexual and lesbian habits after encountering Jesus were liars or not...

Besides, what do you make of this scripture in 2 John 9;

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

MuttleyLaff:

If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to or didnt happen to a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone. Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

Either ways, a homosexual or lesbian relationship can never lead to procreation if you go through the natural route. There is nowhere I have ever seen two sperm cells or two ovas fuse together to create a child. It goes against the way nature has designed it...

MuttleyLaff:

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

This only lends credence to the fact that homosexuality and lesbianism can never allow procreation THE WAY GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE...

MuttleyLaff:

OkCornel, being homosexual/lesbian, you see, doesnt exclude biblically or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? Please advise me, if it does.

Of course homosexuality, of and/or to a certain degree is acceptable to God

What kind of homosexuality is acceptable to God? Does it also mean sex between two consenting adults, especially outside the confines of marriage is also acceptable to God? Be it that they are of the same sex or not?

MuttleyLaff:

OkCornel, I've earlier, more than one time, told you, I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

Let's look at scriptures, to discuss, as you put it. Let's from the discussion, confirm the true and original meaning of the words "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two earlier mentioned to be in 1 Timothy 1:10, before the lies they are now and currently are stating them to be, though they arent at all so, hmm?

Yes...we'll look at them. Meanwhile, when Jesus spoke on marriage, pay close attention to His words...

Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?

This was God's original design, now how did this deviate from man/woman relationship to man/man or woman/woman relationship?

Where did God give approval of a same sex relationship just like the above?

MuttleyLaff:

Lets start with deconstructing those first before grabbing and/or holding on to Leviticus 18:22, or its sister verse Leviticus 20:13, to explain, what they really mean, why and how the term abomination that appears in them is so to God. Romans 1:26-27, too is up for grabs as well, we can check it together and find out, what contextually that scripture is about OkCornel. Other passages are fair game, I am wiling to stand alongside you, reviewing them together

One of my overzealous fans, that I put on "Ignore Mode On" because of his dedicated heckling conduct, in a way that shows poor judgement, mentioned paedophilia on this thread, when all we've been talking about is consensual adults in a mutual faithful, caring, loving, kind, truthful settings. Would you believe it OkCornel, he tried to sling in sexual attraction to prepubescent children into the discussion. That is not just "wikid" but is WIVIL (i.e. wicked+evil) thinking. Funny people everywhere. Nothing wey meh-guard gateman no go see for gate.

Another one, in the person of Shepherd00, had the audacity to ask me, that where in the Bible, does it categorically and/or specifically talk against paedophilia and necrophilia. I am not surprised as Shepherd00 doesnt read, talkess read the Bible to know where. Very soon or later, someone else will bring up and be yanking my leg about bestiality, you just watch OkCornel. The whole joke things just tire me. Wetin vigilante, no go see and read for midnight or dead in the night 3:10 am time like this, erh OkCornel?

Lets see OkCornel, whether or not these lies, havent been perpetrated and used to demonise homosexuality that is acceptable before God. I've known you OkCornel, to be an objective person on other matter(s), let's see how far you maintain your objectivity or how far it goes, hmm?

If it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely heckler makes me out to be, saying "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts.

All I am pleading with you OkCornel, is to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I am not asking nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, but let's present the facts, let's examine and/or inspect them closely and thoroughly together, deconstruct these lies & myths, then leave the facts, to speak for themselves.
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Yes, we'll look at the words of Paul and analyze them in subsequent posts...

OkCornel:
Muttley, this does not answer my question. I asked if those who were delivered from their homosexual and lesbian habits after encountering Jesus were liars or not...

Besides, what do you make of this scripture in 2 John 9;

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Either ways, a homosexual or lesbian relationship can never lead to procreation if you go through the natural route. There is nowhere I have ever seen two sperm cells or two ovas fuse together to create a child. It goes against the way nature has designed it...

This only lends credence to the fact that homosexuality and lesbianism can never allow procreation THE WAY GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE...

What kind of homosexuality is acceptable to God? Does it also mean sex between two consenting adults, especially outside the confines of marriage is also acceptable to God? Be it that they are of the same sex or not?

Yes...we'll look at them. Meanwhile, when Jesus spoke on marriage, pay close attention to His words...

Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?

This was God's original design, now how did this deviate from man/woman relationship to man/man or woman/woman relationship?

Where did God give approval of a same sex relationship just like the above?

Yes, we'll look at the words of Paul and analyze them in subsequent posts...

OkCornel, you know what the title of this thread says, especially the first word of the subject heading. Now, nonetheless, you seem to be bent on doing a strawman mining and going on a tangent from the subject heading title, I'll still respectfully indulge you

You are proof-texting with 2 John 1:9, it is neither here or there, has no place in the present discussion OkCornel

Did Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum etcetera tell you anything about going against nature hmm? There are quite a lot of things that happen that is natural or that does go with nature. Case in point, I've seen quite a few people "naturally" driving their cars with their feet. It is unnatural for me to do so, but it is easily natural for them to drive their cars with their feet

When people have straightforward and easy fertility challenges, and they take advantages of methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination" arent they going against the way nature has designed it, hmm?

I previously told OkCornel, that being homosexual/lesbian, doesnt biblically exclude or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? It does not prohibit anyone from having kids any other legal and permissible way

Life long committed relationship, one that is faithful, has love until death do part, caring and kind, this is what we are talking of OkCornel. Can you fault something like that, hmm?

OkCornel, now, if we are both, to be honest and sincere, you would accept and agree with me that, the context of that Matthew 19:4-5, you referenced and by the way Matthew 19:12, had more to do with talking about divorce than marriage and eunuchs. It started as a trap question at Jesus, then by divine intervention, it descended to other things being said and then ended up with talking about men who dont want to marry women (i.e. Matthew 19:10 - His disciples said to Him, "If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" like, same sex attraction men not attracted to women.

By God's design of man's bodily parts, God has given approval of a same sex relationship just like anything else He permits.

Yes please, as I cant wait, to we look at the words of Paul and analyze them in your subsequent posts, and with that I know you'll stop derailing the thread with all these your red herrings and/or distractions

MuttleyLaff:
What does Romans 8:1 say Mr OkCornel?

Never mind, I'll tell. It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So OkCornel, how can you try to, now curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to or didnt happen to a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone. Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"? , you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

What OkCornel is asking is.....if elton john has sex with his partner,will elton impregnate his partner(or vice versa) to give birth to a baby?
Can a lady impregnate a lady?
Can a man impregnate a man?
Does a man have a womb or does a woman give out sperm?
Without the surrogacy,can it be possible for a man to have sex with a man and give birth?
This is a very simple question!
I know you are many things but having poor comprehension skills is not one of them!

MuttleyLaff:

OkCornel, being homosexual/lesbian, you see, doesnt exclude biblically or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? Please advise me, if it does.

Here he goes again!

MuttleyLaff:

Of course homosexuality, of and/or to a certain degree is acceptable to God

Really?
I would really like to know the bible Muttleylaff is reading this from?

MuttleyLaff:

[s]OkCornel, I've earlier, more than one time, told you, I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

Let's look at scriptures, to discuss, as you put it. Let's from the discussion, confirm the true and original meaning of the words "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two earlier mentioned to be in 1 Timothy 1:10, before the lies they are now and currently are stating them to be, though they arent at all so, hmm?

Lets start with deconstructing those first before grabbing and/or holding on to Leviticus 18:22, or its sister verse Leviticus 20:13, to explain, what they really mean, why and how the term abomination that appears in them is so to God. Romans 1:26-27, too is up for grabs as well, we can check it together and find out, what contextually that scripture is about OkCornel. Other passages are fair game, I am wiling to stand alongside you, reviewing them together[/s]

He asked you if homosexuality is acceptable to God...you said YES!
He asked if you had scriptures to back your claim,you started with your rigmarole
How would you be making postulations when you dont even have scriptures to prove that God accepts such acts?

MuttleyLaff:

One of my overzealous fans, that I put on "Ignore Mode On" because of his dedicated heckling conduct, in a way that shows poor judgement, mentioned paedophilia on this thread, when all we've been talking about is consensual adults in a mutual faithful, caring, loving, kind, truthful settings. Would you believe it OkCornel, he tried to sling in sexual attraction to prepubescent children into the discussion. That is not just "wikid" but is WIVIL (i.e. wicked+evil) thinking. Funny people everywhere. Nothing wey meh-guard gateman no go see for gate.

First OkCornel doesnt need a fan!
I have known him,goshen and a host of other religious participants including you during the tithe controversies!
So he doesn't need a fan or 'cheerleader'!
Secondly,Its not really about my poor judgement but rather your inability to pathetically peruse an apparent "simile" when i used pedophilia
And lastly,am not doing this because of you but because i know in years to come,men and women will still ask you this same question....where us your proof that God permits homosexual acts?
Hence,i chuckle uncontrollably when i see your 'ignoreMode On' gobbledygook
Its either you are too scared to engage me or maybe my questions are too hard to answer!
No wonder you refused to mention me

MuttleyLaff:

Lets see OkCornel, whether or not these lies, havent been perpetrated and used to demonise homosexuality that is acceptable before God. I've known you OkCornel, to be an objective person on other matter(s), let's see how far you maintain your objectivity or how far it goes, hmm?

A liar is one who says God permits homosexuality but goes mute when he is asked to prove his assertions with scriptures!
How can you say an author of a book said something in his book and yet you cant even find it in his own book!

MuttleyLaff:

If it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely heckler makes me out to be, saying "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts.

Muttleylaff is trying to negotiate that one person reasons with him on his homosexual drive!
The challenge is still on!
If indeed you have facts as you say,
Put them in form of SCRIPTURES.....You said God to an extent permits homosexuality....now put your facts down in form of scriptures!
But Guess what you have none...absolutely none to offer!

MuttleyLaff:

All I am pleading with you OkCornel, is to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I am not asking nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, but let's present the facts, let's examine and/or inspect them closely and thoroughly together, deconstruct these lies & myths, then leave the facts, to speak for themselves.
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Did i just see muttleylaff begging someone to accept his homosexual acts theology?
Ohh jesus...This is clownish from Muttleylaff!
Has it gotten to a stage where you are now pleading with one to accept your lies as truth!
Chai i really need to get some eye glasses before he says i used strawman mining to interpret his words

MuttleyLaff:
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An apparent teen operating on a computer system!

OkCornel:



Either ways, a homosexual or lesbian relationship can never lead to procreation if you go through the natural route. There is nowhere I have ever seen two sperm cells or two ovas fuse together to create a child. It goes against the way nature has designed it...

According to muttleylaff,the married lesbians will combine their womb together and generate a sperm that will fertilize the sperm!
and after 9 months,one of them will deliver their baby!

So Says muttleylaff the powerful inventor who knows better than God!

OkCornel:

This only lends credence to the fact that homosexuality and lesbianism can never allow procreation THE WAY GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE...

Lets for a moment,take away scriptures,its not possible for a woman to impregnate a woman!
Their biological setup doesn't have the ability to generate a sperm!
There was a reason why our all knowing and perfect God made a penis that can generate millions of sperms and a vagina through which the sperm gains entry and is fertilized in the womb!
Even animals know that they cant give birth without mating!

OkCornel:

What kind of homosexuality is acceptable to God? Does it also mean sex between two consenting adults, especially outside the confines of marriage is also acceptable to God? Be it that they are of the same sex or not?

bro that question is too hard for inventor muttleylaff to answer ohh!
please break it down and grind it like garri before he accuses you of using 'strawman mining' technics!
Thats what he says or does when his opponent is hooking his throat with choking questions

OkCornel:

Yes...we'll look at them. Meanwhile, when Jesus spoke on marriage, pay close attention to His words...

Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?

This was God's original design, now how did this deviate from man/woman relationship to man/man or woman/woman relationship?

Where did God give approval of a same sex relationship just like the above?

Another jamb question for awakener muttleylaff,
He will claim God permits homosexual acts...now that too easy for him!
But tell him to offer scriptures,muttleylaff will start writing 'tales by moonlight'

MuttleyLaff:
OkCornel, you know what the title of this thread says, especially the first word of the subject heading. Now, nonetheless, you seem to be bent on doing a strawman mining and going on a tangent from the subject heading title, I'll still respectfully indulge you

You are proof-texting with 2 John 1:9, it is neither here or there, has no place in the present discussion OkCornel

Did Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum etcetera tell you anything about going against nature hmm? There are quite a lot of things that happen that is natural or that does go with nature. Case in point, I've seen quite a few people "naturally" driving their cars with their feet. It is unnatural for me to do so, but it is easily natural for them to drive their cars with their feet

When people have straightforward and easy fertility challenges, and they take advantages of methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination" arent they going against the way nature has designed it, hmm?

I previously told OkCornel, that being homosexual/lesbian, doesnt biblically exclude or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? It does not prohibit anyone from having kids any other legal and permissible way

Life long committed relationship, one that is faithful, has love until death do part, caring and kind, this is what we are talking of OkCornel. Can you fault something like that, hmm?

OkCornel, now, if we are both, to be honest and sincere, you would accept and agree with me that, the context of that Matthew 19:4-5, you referenced and by the way Matthew 19:12, had more to do with talking about divorce than marriage and eunuchs. It started as a trap question at Jesus, then by divine intervention, it descended to other things being said and then ended up with talking about men who dont want to marry women (i.e. Matthew 19:10 - His disciples said to Him, "If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" like, same sex attraction men not attracted to women.

By God's design of man's bodily parts, God has given approval of a same sex relationship just like anything else He permits.

Yes please, as I cant wait, to we look at the words of Paul and analyze them in your subsequent posts, and with that I know you'll stop derailing the thread with all these your red herrings and/or distractions

I have asked you two questions which you've danced around;

1) Those who were delivered from their homosexual and lesbian behaviors after their encounter with Jesus, what do we make of their testimonies? Should we call them liars?

2) I would emphasize on 2 John 9 which you claimed had nothing to do with the subject;
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Look up the words of Jesus in Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?


Right from the very beginning, God's arrangement for relationship/marriage is man/woman. Muttley;

a) Where did God modify this to include man & man and woman & woman relationship/marriage?
b) From Genesis to Revelation, can you give us one instance of God approving same sex relationship/marriage?

If you know you have no answers to these, you have transgressed the doctrine of Christ, especially where marriage is concerned.

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OkCornel:


I have asked you two questions which you've danced around;

1) Those who were delivered from their homosexual and lesbian behaviors after their encounter with Jesus, what do we make of their testimonies? Should we call them liars?

2) I would emphasize on 2 John 9 which you claimed had nothing to do with the subject;
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Look up the words of Jesus in Matthew 19 v 4-5;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause, shall[b] a man leave father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they which were two, shall be one flesh?
[/b]


Right from the very beginning, God's arrangement for relationship/marriage is man/woman. Muttley;

a) Where did God modify this to include man & man and woman & woman relationship/marriage?
b) From Genesis to Revelation, can you give us one instance of God approving same sex relationship/marriage?

If you know you have no answers to these, you have transgressed the doctrine of Christ, especially where marriage is concerned.

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Muttleylaff favourite homosexual comparison is the David and Jonathan!

I had to laugh in tongues when I saw that!
He even went as far as saying Naomi and Ruth had lesbian relationship!

Just like you rightly said in Matthew 19:4-5,Jesus reiterated the fact that God only accepts and permits a man and woman relationship/marriage which also has a shadow in the OT where God only recognises the marriage between man and woman!

If there was an opportunity to change the status quo,it would have happen when Christ came!
However,Jesus kept insisting on the union between male and female because our all knowing God knows why he gave a man a peni.s and a woman a vagina!

Anyone who seeks to destroy or modify what God has instituted is not only a liar but a false teacher!

Am still waiting to see where God after approving male/female relationship then approved homosexual relationship!

Me no like too much story,let muttleylaff prove his assertions with scriptures even if I know such venture will be likened to looking for a pin in a dirtbin!

Porneia: The Greek word porneia refers to prostitution, with the related terms porne and pornos referring to female and male prostitutes, respectively. In ancient Athens prostitution was legal and was taxed, although it was considered both illegal and shameful for freeborn citizens.

Porneia | Encyclopedia.com
https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/encyclopedias-almanacs...and.../porneia

Arsenokoites: one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/arsenokoites.html

Malakos:

1) soft, soft to the touch
2) effeminate
3) of a catamite
4) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
5) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
6) of a male prostitute

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/malakos.html



Muttleylaff, here is the meaning of the words you asked for. What next?

budaatum:
Muttley, everytime I see buda mentioned in this prick talk I curse you. Be warned!

" Weapons made to attack you won't be successful; words spoken against you won't hurt at all..."
- Isaiah 54:17a.

So says Isaiah 54:17a above budaatum, as we know it.

Your curse is impotent my friend, as you can't curse him, whom God has not cursed, besides you aren't doing yourself any favour either, because the curse boomerangs on your konkoro dear shiny head

I guess some people just are cursed already but like to delude themselves. The next time you cc buda in your nonsense muttley you will be paid back in coin you are sure to not like.

budaatum:
I guess some people just are cursed already but like to delude themselves. The next time you cc buda in your nonsense muttley you will be paid back in coin you are sure to not like.

I am blessed, blessed in the morning, blessed in the afternoon and blessed in the night. Blessings abound all over me, blessings run after me. Na so-so gragra mouth mouth you get. It's with your own hands you'll do yourself. You can't lift your hands against God's anointed, God's own.

So says the one who lifts his hands against his neighbour with no regard, a pitfall a simple read would help one avoid.

I'm shaking my head at you muttley. You take the good in you and just ruin it with your own mouth.

budaatum:
So says the one who lifts his hands against his neighbour with no regard, a pitfall a simple read would help one avoid.

I'm shaking my head at you muttley. You take the good in you and just ruin it with your own mouth.

Olive Tree branch, you're getting too grouchy and toxic for my liking. It's not healthy for either of us both, so I'll retreat on the side of peace making.

First, for the 6’000 years up until literally yesterday, did “Gods plan for creation/humanity” as you have proclaimed it mean
1. that “LGBT+x/- would be persecuted?
2. That LGBTx-+/ would not be able to have children??

Further you are essentially stating the following, even though you’ve tried to make it sound like a question for deniability;

MuttleyLaff:
OkCornel, being homosexual/lesbian, you see, doesnt exclude biblically or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? Please advise me, if it does.

One of the reasons God blesses us with children aka the fruit of the womb is as follows;

1 Corinthians 7:14 - For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.

MuttleyLaff, how are such children holy or considered the result of procreation? Children that are not the result of man and woman, male and female, husband and wife in a consecrated marital union?

The children being “parented” by Elton John and David Furnish, are not as a result of natural procreation or the offspring of a scripturally based (male and female) marital union.

MuttleyLaff, pray tell are such children holy? The “biological mother” of such children is not a wife to either of the men, nor indeed in situ for the raising of the children – are such children holy MuttleyLaff?

Muttley you said this

MuttleyLaff:
No, I was not and never did claim that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples. Please dont saying scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind, especially when there is evidence in scripture about it. Just say, you arent aware of it because that is what you've being made and led to believe

You also stated this;

MuttleyLaff:
"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

Is that procreation Muttleylaff. Are the most worldy figures now iconic for Christians? Are the most depraved now role models for the brethren.
If SS couples cannot enter into marriage - according to your word - how are children holy? How are the children ss couples parent the result of procreation.

MuttleyLaff, this doctrine is twisting you into all kinds of shapes. You must be pretzel like by now . Further, the deeper you commit, the further from the truth you stray. You sound like an unabashed homosexualst and LGBT-+x/ advocate. Full fledged. campaigning for everything exactly as the world does .


TV

MuttleyLaff:
Olive Tree branch, you're getting too grouchy for my liking. It's not healthy for either of us both, so I'll retreat to the side of peace making.

Muttley! Why are you missing the point so stupidly! If I were not grouchy would I have made my request, twice now not to be cced, in bold and in red?

This thread is on page 17! Go and check how many times your buda cc posts have been quoted and you just might understand how grouchy it has made me!

budaatum:
Muttley! Why are you missing the point so stupidly! If I were not grouchy would I have made my request, twice now not to be cced, in bold and in red?

This thread is on page 17! Go and check how many times your buda cc posts have been quoted and you just might understand how grouchy it has made me!

I added toxic too, you missed that.

I only cc you or anyone when I suspect the content of the cc is interesting & also might be of interest to the cc'ed

It takes less face muscles to smile than frowning does. Frowning accelerates getting aged wrinkly and old looking in the face

TV01:
First, for the 6’000 years up until literally yesterday, did “Gods plan for creation/humanity” as you have proclaimed it mean
1. that “LGBT+x/- would be persecuted?
2. That LGBTx-+/ would not be able to have children??

Further you are essentially stating the following, even though you’ve tried to make it sound like a question for deniability;


One of the reasons God blesses us with children aka the fruit of the womb is as follows;

1 Corinthians 7:14 - For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.

MuttleyLaff, how are such children holy or considered the result of procreation? Children that are not the result of man and woman, male and female, husband and wife in a consecrated marital union?

The children being “parented” by Elton John and David Furnish, are not as a result of natural procreation or the offspring of a scripturally based (male and female) marital union.

MuttleyLaff, pray tell are such children holy? The “biological mother” of such children is not a wife to either of the men, nor indeed in situ for the raising of the children – are such children holy MuttleyLaff?

Muttley you said this


You also stated this;


Is that procreation Muttleylaff. Are the most worldy figures now iconic for Christians? Are the most depraved now role models for the brethren.
If SS couples cannot enter into marriage - according to your word - how are children holy? How are the children ss couples parent the result of procreation.

MuttleyLaff, this doctrine is twisting you into all kinds of shapes. You must be pretzel like by now . Further, the deeper you commit, the further from the truth you stray. You sound like an unabashed homosexualst and LGBT-+x/ advocate. Full fledged. campaigning for everything exactly as the world does .


TV

1/ First did you notice the OkCornel presentation of the real meanings of the words perpetrated and used to demonise SSA persons TV01, hmm?
2/ Do you agree and accept that they either have to do with homosexuality bordering with prostituting and/or paedophilia, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
I only cc you or anyone when I suspect the content of the cc is interesting & also might be of interest to the cc'ed.

You do not need to cc me since I already follow you! You definitely don't need to cc me in three consecutive posts in the same thread! And you don't need to cc me in a thread in which I have already commented or liked or shared as doing either of those three will flag up any post in my list of followed topics!

Please know. Where anybody puts their pricks is of no interest to buda unless like you they are putting it in buda, to which buda begs you please muttley, stop raping buda!

MuttleyLaff:
1/ First did you notice the OkCornel presentation of the real meanings of the words perpetrated and used to demonise SSA persons TV01, hmm?
2/ Do you agree and accept that they either have to do with homosexuality bordering with prostituting and/or paedophilia, hmm?

Don't attempt a diversionary manoeuvre Muttley. I have a number of posts which you have steadfastly ignored. I have raised a new one, feel free to ignore like the others, but don't attempt a deceitful non-response. Even so, I see OKCornel's submission re meaning and have no contention with it - it does not change the clear reading of scripture. Now to my post/s.

1. Why did God allow LGBTQ+-x/ to suffer these past 6'000 years - or even longer as you don't subscribe to a 6 thousand year old creation?
2. Why did Gods plan for creation include an interminable length of time without children for LGBTQ+-/X?
3. If, as you state marriage is not for ss couples, how are these children sanctified?
4. The bible; holy children as those born to at least one believing parent in a male-female marriage. How far for children parented by ss?


TV

MuttleyLaff:
1/ First did you notice the OkCornel presentation of the real meanings of the words perpetrated and used to demonise SSA persons TV01, hmm?
2/ Do you agree and accept that they either have to do with homosexuality bordering with prostituting and/or paedophilia, hmm?

I hope you did not skip the meaning of Arsenokoites or Malakos up there...


Especially Arsenokoites that never mentioned anything about male prostitution.

TV01:

Don't attempt a diversionary manoeuvre Muttley. I have a number of posts which you have steadfastly ignored. I have raised a new one, feel free to ignore like the others, but don't attempt a deceitful non-response.

1. Why did God allow LGBTQ+-x/ to suffer these past 6'000 years - or even longer as you don't subscribe to a 6 thousand year old creation?
2. Why did Gods plan for creation include an interminable length of time without children for LGBTQ+-/X?
3. If, as you state marriage is not for ss couples, how are these children sanctified?
4. The bible; holy children as those born to at least one believing parent in a male-female marriage. How far for children parented by ss?


TV

Forgive me TV01, God knows my heart, that I am not intending, wasn't and didn't intend to ignore or planned not to respond to those outstanding two posts of yours. I am not like that, not especially to a worthy someone like you. I promise you, I'll restrain and discipline myself from responding to other posts except this niggling budaatum post I am dealing with.

I just got carried away, that at least that OkCornel post was right up the alley of the thread's subject title heading. Pardon my excitement.

budaatum:

You do not need to cc me since I already follow you! You definitely don't need to cc me in three consecutive posts in the same thread! And you don't need to cc me in a thread in which I have already commented or liked or shared as doing either of those three will flag up any post in my list of followed topics!

Please know. Where anybody puts their pricks is of no interest to buda unless like you they are putting it in buda, to which buda begs you please muttley, stop raping buda!

Hmm, that's what they all say, until when it hits closer home, which by then, would be too late to be of any interest to them.

Chief, I've taken in your point. I am sorry, and it wouldn't happen again.

17 pages and you have not responded to anything they've asked you so stop using buda as some lame excuse for your inadequacy muttleylaff.

Your apology is accepted all the same.

OkCornel:


I hope you did not skip the meaning of Arsenokoites or Malakos up there...


Especially Arsenokoites that never mentioned anything about male prostitution.

I am sorry I can't comment. There is a restraining order on me until I do certain things, but trust me, we will both deconstruct that word arsenokoites together, once it's over. Just note this combo word is, one part is singular and the other is plural. I can't comment anymore after this until when my restraining order is over.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry I can't comment. There is a restraining order pn me until I do certain things, but trust me, we will both deconstruct that word arsenokoites together. Just note this combo word is, one part is singular and the other is plural

Okay...

budaatum:
17 pages and you have not responded to anything they've asked you so stop using buda as some lame excuse for your inadequacy muttleylaff.

Your apology is accepted all the same.

budaatum though the thread didn't set out to respond to what they are asking me, I still to some certain degree accommodated and obliged them. The thread was opened to deconstruct lies and myths surrounding homosexuality and SSA unions and not giving in to strawman mining antics or other distracting ploys.

OkCornel has got the thread on its deconstructing footing. Ghenghen will soon happen, and lies are going to be exposed.

Progress has been made in those 17 pages, some readers have come to know things, they never knew before and things they have been misinformed about. It's still good in spite...

MuttleyLaff:
Forgive me TV01, God knows my heart, that I am not intending, wasn't and didn't intend to ignore or planned not to respond to those outstanding two posts of yours. I am not like that, not especially to a worthy someone like you. I promise you, I'll restrain and discipline myself from responding to other posts except this niggling budaatum post I am dealing with.

I just got carried away, that at least that OkCornel post was right up the alley of the thread's subject title heading. Pardon my excitement.

Indeed, God only knows the heart of man. I can only see the outworking of yours based on your submissions here .

It's 4 posts actually and, I am not actually asking for responses - have I at any point requested them? This is a public forum. There is no protocol as such and, I always post with the fully understanding that those addressed may choose not to reply. There is no compulsion.

Moreover, I am seeing this as less a discussion and more a slow moving car crash as you increasingly tie yourself in knots trying to justify your position from the bible. You can't ride the beast, just swallow the frog .

MuttleyLaff:
The thread was opened to deconstruct lies and myths surrounding homosexuality and SSA unions .

MuttleyLaff, e caan done! All attempts to squeeze a positive ss theology into scripture is doomed to fail. Attempting it is just foolhardy. And, you are failing woefully.


TV

budaatum:

You do not need to cc me since I already follow you! You definitely don't need to cc me in three consecutive posts in the same thread! And you don't need to cc me in a thread in which I have already commented or liked or shared as doing either of those three will flag up any post in my list of followed topics!

Please know. Where anybody puts their pricks is of no interest to buda unless like you they are putting it in buda, to which buda begs you please muttley, stop raping buda!