MuttleyLaff:
Forgive me TV01, God knows my heart, that I am not intending, wasn't and didn't intend to ignore or planned not to respond to those outstanding two posts of yours. I am not like that, not especially to a worthy someone like you. I promise you, I'll restrain and discipline myself from responding to other posts except this niggling budaatum post I am dealing with.

I just got carried away, that at least that OkCornel post was right up the alley of the thread's subject title heading. Pardon my excitement.

And you had the effrontery to mock @Okcornel because he didn't reply quickly

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry I can't comment. There is a restraining order on me until I do certain things, but trust me, we will both deconstruct that word arsenokoites together, once it's over. Just note this combo word is, one part is singular and the other is plural. I can't comment anymore after this until when my restraining order is over.

My belle ohh...see how he is begging?
You are forgetting that Okcornel asked you for patience,some days ago,so that he can reply you once he was through with what he was doing!
But the childish nature in you started mocking okcornel,apparently concluding rather hastily, that he was scared and ran away!
Now you are the one begging for time to respond!
Eleyi gidigan

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Paul writes:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

In these verses Paul is describing different kinds of people who (unless they repent) will be excluded from the kingdom of God. Four kinds relate to sexual sin, and two of those specifically to homosexual behaviour. The ESV takes the latter and puts them together as “men who practice homosexuality”, while the NIV translates them as “male prostitutes and homosexual offenders”.

The first of the two terms relating to homosexuality is malakoi, which translated literally means “soft ones.” In classical literature it could be used as a pejorative term for men who were effeminate; for the younger, passive partner in a pederastic (man-boy) relationship; and to refer to male prostitutes (hence the NIV’s translation). In 1 Corinthians 6 malakoi comes in a list describing general forms of sexual sin, and the context suggests Paul is most likely using it in a broad way to refer to the passive partners in homosexual intercourse, as we are about to see.

The second term he Paul uses. is arsenokoitai. This is a compound of “male” (arsen) and “intercourse” (koites, literally “bed”). These are the two words used in the Greek translation of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, suggesting that Paul is linking back to those two passages. (Paul has already just made a connection with Leviticus in 1 Corinthians 5, where he condemns the church’s acceptance of a man living with his father’s wife using language that echoes Leviticus 18:7-8. For Paul, the sexual sins which Leviticus prohibits remain forbidden for New Testament Christians.) Arsenokoitai, then, is a general term for male same-sex sex, and its pairing with malakoi indicates that Paul is addressing both the active and passive partners in homosexual sex.


https://www.livingout.org/the-bible-and-ssa

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum though the thread didn't set out to respond to what they are asking me, I still to some certain degree accommodated and obliged them. The thread was opened to deconstruct lies and myths surrounding homosexuality and SSA unions and not giving in to strawman mining antics or other distracting ploys.

OkCornel has got the thread on its deconstructing footing. Ghenghen will soon happen, and lies are going to be exposed.

Progress has been made in those 17 pages, some readers have come to know things, they never knew before and things they have been misinformed about. It's still good in spite...

Guy is giving his pitiable self some faint hope!
Nothing has changed!
No truth has been discovered!
Questions have either been ignored or maneuvered!
Your atheist group has deserted you!
The friends you have that are trying to respond or stay supportive to you are pleading with you not to cc them again
What has actually changed is the fact that your comprehension skills have departed from you!
You are now the one begging for time to respond after pooing in another thread!!
Chai muttleylaff better apply for AYLIVE as upcoming comedian

openmine:

Why are you laughing? That your laugh is making me laugh sef! Even though I want to be furious at you all!

Seriously! 18 pages of poo poking and this isn't the only thread! If muttley were arguing for the non-condemnation of ss poking I'd seriously be on his side with tons of Bible too or does your own Bible not clearly infer that after I rape your husband you should give me your son too? Besides, if a person wants to ss poke of what concern of anyone is it? If I want to poke poo or be bent over by someone who consents to bend me over and poke my poo is it really anyone else's concern? Do I need the permission of any other than the person I'm bending over and poking poo with? So what if it's written in some book that I am pong if poo poker is it your poker that will pong? So what if some book says poo pokers pong, is book my God? Even if my God self comes down from heaven and tells me I pong for poking poo, so what? Is it not God? Is it not true that I can bend over bend over bend over and poke poo until I don't want to bend over and poke poo anymore and just say "Abba, Father, forgive me for I have poked plenty poo", and Abba will just forgive my pong? And even if I don't say "Abba" and say "fuq off" instead, can anything worse than burning in hell till eternity happen to me? Oh, I get it! You want to save me from burning in hell! Why? I made a choice and for some odd reason you want to save me! Are you my Messiah? Are you God? Am I poking your poo? Does my poo poking make you pong?

If I chose to poke my poker in poo it's my poker that will pong so you all should seriously consider minding your own pokers and stop behaving as if it is your poker that I am poking in poo or your poo that I am poking my poker in or you that pongs when I poke my poker in poo that isn't yours!

To you muttley, it is clear that as far as the Bible is concerned a poo poker pongs and no amount of twisting and turning can change that fact. You can go and poke poo and bear the consequential pong but you can't poke poo and have Biblical sanctification to pong unless you've figured out a way to have your cake in your belly as well as in front of you, and seriously, if you have figured that out I'd personally be wondering why you'd want to be applying it to your pong and not to your bank account or something way more rewarding than the pong of your poker!

And to you non-poo-pokers, even eating fish without scales makes you pong along with lots of other things way more common than poo poking so delight that you never ate mackerel and titus or you pong just as a poo poker and we shall see each other in hell barring "Abba Father" to the Graceful Merciful Ever Forgiving Lord God, of course! There's is indeed a reason to not be casting stones!

I'm hoping with this that I've got all you pongers out of my system, and I don't mind being quoted but a pong on anyone who ccs buda in a poo poking pong for I don't appreciate being raped and would rather you don't or I'll personally chop off your pokers so you have nothing to rape me with!!

You all are warned!

@budaatum

MuttleyLaff:
What does Romans 8:1 say Mr OkCornel?

Never mind, I'll tell. It states that:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

So OkCornel, how can you try to, now curse those whom God has not cursed, hmm?

If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to or didnt happen to a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone. Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

OkCornel, being homosexual/lesbian, you see, doesnt exclude biblically or prohibit you officially from having kids, or does it? Please advise me, if it does.

Of course homosexuality, of and/or to a certain degree is acceptable to God

OkCornel, I've earlier, more than one time, told you, I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

Let's look at scriptures, to discuss, as you put it. Let's from the discussion, confirm the true and original meaning of the words "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two earlier mentioned to be in 1 Timothy 1:10, before the lies they are now and currently are stating them to be, though they arent at all so, hmm?

Lets start with deconstructing those first before grabbing and/or holding on to Leviticus 18:22, or its sister verse Leviticus 20:13, to explain, what they really mean, why and how the term abomination that appears in them is so to God. Romans 1:26-27, too is up for grabs as well, we can check it together and find out, what contextually that scripture is about OkCornel. Other passages are fair game, I am wiling to stand alongside you, reviewing them together

One of my overzealous fans, that I put on "Ignore Mode On" because of his dedicated heckling conduct, in a way that shows poor judgement, mentioned paedophilia on this thread, when all we've been talking about is consensual adults in a mutual faithful, caring, loving, kind, truthful settings. Would you believe it OkCornel, he tried to sling in sexual attraction to prepubescent children into the discussion. That is not just "wikid" but is WIVIL (i.e. wicked+evil) thinking. Funny people everywhere. Nothing wey meh-guard gateman no go see for gate.

Another one, in the person of Shepherd00, had the audacity to ask me, that where in the Bible, does it categorically and/or specifically talk against paedophilia and necrophilia. I am not surprised as Shepherd00 doesnt read, talkess read the Bible to know where. Very soon or later, someone else will bring up and be yanking my leg about bestiality, you just watch OkCornel. The whole joke things just tire me. Wetin vigilante, no go see and read for midnight or dead in the night 3:10 am time like this, erh OkCornel?

Lets see OkCornel, whether or not these lies, havent been perpetrated and used to demonise homosexuality that is acceptable before God. I've known you OkCornel, to be an objective person on other matter(s), let's see how far you maintain your objectivity or how far it goes, hmm?

If it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely heckler makes me out to be, saying "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts.

All I am pleading with you OkCornel, is to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I am not asking nor suggest you convince me or anyone else for the matter, but let's present the facts, let's examine and/or inspect them closely and thoroughly together, deconstruct these lies & myths, then leave the facts, to speak for themselves.
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With all the noise you made, you failed to say what porneia, malakoi/malakos and arsenokoites means within the context they were used.

You just mentioning is enough for you to think they will mean what you want them to mean?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html&ved=2ahUKEwjjzqKLk_HiAhU9RRUIHYzjDf8QFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2oDbI8vvuscfryAMmjVJs1
This is the homosexual site where you copy and paste from. By all mean they try to pervert the Word of God to suit them.

Rev. M.Turner is a gay pastor whose gay partner is Bill and has been together for 37yrs and got recently married.

Rev. Turner and his partner, Bill, will celebrate their 37th anniversary in June 2019, the same month that the Supreme Court made marriage equality the law of the land, and they legally tied the knot on November 21, 2015. They are proud residents of East Decatur, where their family includes a young 8 year old Border Collie, Rowdy, a 20 year old Cockatiel named Rose, and a 30 year old Catalina Macaw named Jimmy.

He is the champion of 'Loving, faithful consenting adults same sex relationship.

Shepherd00:

With all the noise you made, you failed to say what porneia, malakoi/malakos and arsenokoites means within the context they were used.

You just mentioning is enough for you to think they will mean what you want them to mean?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html&ved=2ahUKEwjjzqKLk_HiAhU9RRUIHYzjDf8QFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2oDbI8vvuscfryAMmjVJs1
This is the homosexual site where you copy and paste from. By all mean they try to pervert the Word of God to suit them.

I'm on a bus. This person sitting in front of me is on tindr liking ss. I'm thinking, what a wonderful world!

This is where MuttleyLaff go to glean his ideologies from. His fellow So-called Christian Homosexuals.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://gentlespirit.org/malakoi-and-arsenokoitai/&ved=2ahUKEwjjzqKLk_HiAhU9RRUIHYzjDf8QFjAIegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3c72_OirRc-qLKtWEgeyEM

openmine:


Muttleylaff favourite homosexual comparison is the David and Jonathan!

I had to laugh in tongues when I saw that!
He even went as far as saying Naomi and Ruth had lesbian relationship!


Just like you rightly said in Matthew 19:4-5,Jesus reiterated the fact that God only accepts and permits a man and woman relationship/marriage which also has a shadow in the OT where God only recognises the marriage between man and woman!

If there was an opportunity to change the status quo,it would have happen when Christ came!
However,Jesus kept insisting on the union between male and female because our all knowing God knows why he gave a man a peni.s and a woman a vagina!

Anyone who seeks to destroy or modify what God has instituted is not only a liar but a false teacher!

Am still waiting to see where God after approving male/female relationship then approved homosexual relationship!

Me no like too much story,let muttleylaff prove his assertions with scriptures even if I know such venture will be likened to looking for a pin in a dirtbin!

@bolded What??

budaatum:
Muttley, everytime I see buda mentioned in this prick talk I curse you. Be warned!

Pls take it easy with him nah. We cannot all be against him.

MuttleyLaff:
I am blessed, blessed in the morning, blessed in the afternoon and blessed in the night. Blessings abound all over me, blessings run after me. Na so-so gragra mouth mouth you get. It's with your own hands you'll do yourself. You can't lift your hands against God's anointed, God's own.

You mean the kind of blessing that flows in your homosexual 'Church wirhout walls?'. Rev Turner must be proud of you.

Shepherd00:
With all the noise you made, you failed to say what porneia, malakoi/malakos and arsenokoites means within the context they were used.

You just mentioning is enough for you to think they will mean what you want them to mean?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html&ved=2ahUKEwjjzqKLk_HiAhU9RRUIHYzjDf8QFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2oDbI8vvuscfryAMmjVJs1
This is the homosexual site where you copy and paste from. By all mean they try to pervert the Word of God to suit them.
Rev. M.Turner is a gay pastor whose gay partner is Bill and has been together for 37yrs and got recently married.

Rev. Turner and his partner, Bill, will celebrate their 37th anniversary in June 2019, the same month that the Supreme Court made marriage equality the law of the land, and they legally tied the knot on November 21, 2015. They are proud residents of East Decatur, where their family includes a young 8 year old Border Collie, Rowdy, a 20 year old Cockatiel named Rose, and a 30 year old Catalina Macaw named Jimmy.

He is the champion of 'Loving, faithful consenting adults same sex relationship

Shepherd00, have you got evidence or proof of me copying the contents from that site or any other sites for that matter
Be careful how you slander a moG. I've warned you before, please take heed of the warning, I beg you. I wont say more than that.

Shepherd00:
@bolded What??

When that overzealous fan of mine tells you, it's raining, you're better off, getting off the seat and go check yourself, is all I'll be saying.

The guy has upgraded from mere dedicated heckling to peddling fake news about me. Making a false written statement about saying what I never and nowhere said. It is sheer and all calumny. SMH

MuttleyLaff:
When that overzealous fan of mine tells you, it's raining, you're better off, getting off the seat and go check yourself, is all I'll be saying.

The guy has upgraded from mere dedicated heckling to peddling fake news about me. Making a false written statement about saying what I never and nowhere said. It is sheer and all calumny. SMH

You mean I shd doubt him when you said David and Jonathan were in a Homosex relationship before my korokoro eyes? You even say, thank God for that Bible verse.
Dat verse talk say David and Jonathan bin be lovers?

Like say I no shout for ya heard, by now, you for don dey scream everywhere say Jesus be Gay as your fellow Christians gay brethren dey talk.

Truth for ya mouth nah Satan's own dialect.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, have you got evidence or proof of me copying the contents from that site or any other sites for that matter
Be careful how you slander a moG. I've warned you before, please take heed of the warning, I beg you. I wont say more than that.

When that overzealous fan of mine tells you, it's raining, you're better off, getting off the seat and go check yourself, is all I'll be saying.

The guy has upgraded from mere dedicated heckling to peddling fake news about me. Making a false written statement about saying what I never and nowhere said. It is sheer and all calumny. SMH

You mean if I catch you red handed?

Wait, anyone wey go go there go read go see weytin I mean.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, have you got evidence or proof of me copying the contents from that site or any other sites for that matter
Be careful how you slander a moG. I've warned you before, please take heed of the warning, I beg you. I wont say more than that.

When that overzealous fan of mine tells you, it's raining, you're better off, getting off the seat and go check yourself, is all I'll be saying.

The guy has upgraded from mere dedicated heckling to peddling fake news about me. Making a false written statement about saying what I never and nowhere said. It is sheer and all calumny. SMH

A lying MoG. I spit on your title.

budaatum:
I'm on a bus. This person sitting in front of me is on tindr liking ss. I'm thinking, what a wonderful world!

Ah, the world belongs to them now, but it won't be for long.

Shepherd00:
A lying MoG. I spit on your title.

Being a moG, is for every believer, son of God, and especially one that submits to the Holy Spirit. It means belong to God Shepherd00.

You rubbished the Romans 8:14 verse I previously quoted, like as if you're a hater. Na wa for you ooo, all this yours and my over zealous fan's venoms showing in both your attitudes, comments or behaviours

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, have you got evidence or proof of me copying the contents from that site or any other sites for that matter
Be careful how you slander a moG. I've warned you before, please take heed of the warning, I beg you. I wont say more than that.

Taaaaaaaaaah just hold it!
Who dash this false teacher MOG?
Another upcoming comedian sharpening his skills here!

MuttleyLaff:

When that overzealous fan of mine tells you, it's raining, you're better off, getting off the seat and go check yourself, is all I'll be saying.

The guy has upgraded from mere dedicated heckling to peddling fake news about me. Making a false written statement about saying what I never and nowhere said. It is sheer and all calumny. SMH

Guy you made mention of it on this thread when you were trying to highlight instances of lesbian relationships to someone or have you already taken it off?
You made mention of David and jonathan as gay couples!
Not through with your hilarious wild goose chase,you said naomi and ruth also had an "SS" relationship!

MuttleyLaff:
Being a moG, is for every believer, son of God, and especially one that submits to the Holy Spirit. It means belong to God Shepherd00.

You rubbished the Romans 8:14 verse I previously quoted, like as if you're a hater. Na wa for you ooo, all this yours and my over zealous fan's venoms showing in both your attitudes, comments or behaviours

And what happened to yours?
Your last fan rejected you and threatened you not to cc him!
You even wanted to beg @Okcornel to be on your side as if we are in a competition where there is a prize to be won!

Shepherd00:

Pls take it easy with him nah. We cannot all be against him.

Why, Shepherd? Should I leave behavior that bothers me and be against the girl who is bothering God instead?

What you think?

TV01:
One feels like he is cleaning out the Augean stables here - a mile high pile of homosexualist excrement. Below is a response to post 2 of MuttleyLaffs fantasy delusion posted earlier .

MuttleyLaff:
1/ From time immemorial, same sex attraction and/or same sex relationship always make up, less than 5% of worldwide population, so has never being and wont ever be a threat to anything or anyone, just as infertiles of all sorts arent.

A pointless and scripturally unattested assertion, and questionable piece of information. A believer should have zero tolerance towards sin which is "...reproach to a nation". Specifically the type which defiles a person and pollutes the land, potentially leading to a "vomiting"...judgement!

"“Look,” He replied, “I will let you use cow dung instead of human excrement, and you may bake your bread over that."
- Ezekiel 4:15

Excrement isnt necessarily a bad thing but when retained in the body, it becomes poison. So, it's imperative to purge the body of Christ off the extrement of lies perpetrated by the church to demonise SSA persons when in cahoot with Canon laws regulated homosexual activity backed through decrees issued by a number of synods, starting from the 5th century Council of Elvira

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
2/ God never said he hated homosexual(s) or homosexual acts per se, so please if you believed this, stop lying to yourself and stop deceiving others with your crass ignorance.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ If you are adamant, then show me in the Bible where God outrightly said he hates homosexuality, homosexual or homosexual acts per se and be prepared to clearly, cleanly and correctly defend it

The abominable nature of ss intimacy is repeated throughout the bible. OT, NT. Clearly enunciated within in the biblical narrative. Scripture repeatedly referenced and exegeted here.

Per 2 above. Meanwhile, feel free to show the board where God said he loves "homosexuality or homosexual acts. For bonus points, please show us where God confirms the distinction between, yet equivalence of, "heterosexual" and "homosexual" relationships, and/or how the He instituted the marriage institution for both opposite and same sex couples. For yet more reward points, please show us how ss couples cleave to one another .

It is the abominable nature of the fact or state of being promiscuous that is repeated throughout the Bible. In the OT and NT, it is expressed in clear and definite terms that God found the practice of the Canaanites of Ancient Israel practice of honoring the fertility goddess Asherah with ritual sex an abomination and detestable. Similar narrative unfolds when this same practice reared its head among the gentiles in Rome, that Paul had to voice out with making reference to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, when writing Romans 1:26-27 etcetera

This is like asking OkCornel, to please show you, in the Bible where God said He has stopped tithes. You are just exhilarating yourself with all these your bonus reward points dead-ended out of place third-degree questions and the way you are deliberately trying to ignore the facts of how the original meanings of words in the Bible were changed to mean something else used with the inception of another two words homosexual & homosexuality, and everything was used to demonise consensual adult SSA committed, faithful, caring, kind, love thats till death do part relationships

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
4/ The words, homosexuality and homosexual are not in the original texts of the Bible
In fact, the words homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually are words that's barely 200 years old.
The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that, the word "homosexual" was first printed in a German book in 1869, and then after placed in the German Bible in 1946 and later then in the English bible in 1950s.

Something I pointed out on this thread earlier. Whatever the rendering of the words used to describe the acts, the acts themselves are clearly condemned .

This is lie from the pit of hell and you know it, because it isnt consensual adult SSA committed, faithful, caring, kind, love thats till death do part relationships that the Bible condemns in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 et cetera or elsewhere

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
5/ God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act of my purview

Learned friend, please demonstrate it, kindly evidence it from scripture. Scholarly nwanne, assertions, no matter how strenuous or repeated, are not evidence .

TV01, we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Get this straight that no one, before we come to it, is crossing the bridge. We have to deconstruct those lies first together, then we can mount, climb and cross the bridge after.

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
6/ It is glaring, except if in denial, what the meaning of Paul's "malakois" and "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 translated to "homosexual" or homosexual acts in 1946 and 1950s are

On the contrary, the use of these words by Paul attest to a blanket condemnation of any form of homosexual activity. And relatining it to the prohibitions on Leviticus - which were themselves universal - and unambiguously so - makes the case all the more.

https://www.instagram.com/p/By0iFA6goIQ/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
This is untrue because for starters, Paul had never used the word "homosexual" when describing the sinful behaviors of the time.

Each of the words now used to demonise SSA persons, OkCornel with good judgement or sense has looked up and researched on a few, and it shows that even words like "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and a word that was later translated in 1958 to mean homosexuals, originally and actually is a word, that meant moral weakness and was used to describe the immorality of the temple prostitutes of Corinth etcetera. One of the meanings of "malakoi/malakos" in the first century was it being an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face in the Greek manner, using makeup, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries and fancy clothing to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex.

The above Instagram link shows the nomadic Wodaabe community belonging to the Fulani ethnic group with make-up on, though they are not into temple ritual sex etcetera, but India is the last bastion of where this temple ritual sex, temple male prostitutes etcetera practised by the Canaanites in Leviticus times and by the heathen gentiles in Paul's Rome and Corinth times, is to date, still done. They are called "arsenokoites" or sodomites in India but are called by another word vernacular to that area

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
7/ If you know, you know, that there is no sin grading. No sin, except for the one against the Holy Spirit, is bigger than any other sin. If you're sinful, you are a sinner. Period and that's all, even if the occassional lies, white lies and all too. So even, if same sex attraction were to a be a sin, thank God it isnt, then stop being like a lot of inexcusable people on this thread, looking and pointing at the speck, in a brother's eye, but failing to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.

Sin grading is not the point of this discussion and merely a ruse by you - and a clear flaw in your argument. No one argues that lies are acceptable to God, which is what you assert with regards to ss acts.

I am just pointing out your hypocrises, that you kind lie every single day, you'll lie at least one lie tomorrow, but you have the audacity to be pointing at one fathom speck in somebody's else eye, without mind the big fat log beam in your own santimonious eyes.

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
8/ Greed, covetousness, and lust are improper homosexual and heterosexual desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity etcetera but equally is at a detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another or other person(s) whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise

God did not create heterosexual or homosexual categories of person. God created humans sexed male & female, and with a complimentary sexual function. "Homosexual" is merely a social euphemism for dysfunction, and "heterosexual" is an attempt to present that dysfunction as a natural/normal option. That is the deceitful narrative presented by the world. The scriptures - the word of our Creator - clearly states otherwise.

If you want it that way, OK, that's just semantics, "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are semantics, yet it does not change the fact and reality that greed, covetousness, lack of self-control and lust are improper desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity, cheating, sleeping around etcetera but also cause friction, harm, pain to another whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was supposedly professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
9/ There's a lot of things when you read in the Bible you have to know what you're reading about, know the context, the history of it and the customs of the land and so you know what these words, like in #6 etcetera originally means

Cultural context and historical understanding certainly help, however, they don't advance your case in this instance.

On the contrary. I have already and again explained to you above how you've pulled wool(s) over your eyes and led yourself up the garden path with tissues of lies. You really ought to be reading scripture in context, in order to be able to get the real picture TV01.

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
10/ All the scriptures, that most Christians, whatnot or otherwise, the likes of TV01, elated177, jesusjnr, shepherd00, solite3, Goshen360, openmine, alBHAGDADI, VBCampaign, Ubenedictus, ujnwachukwu, Image123, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, kkins25 etcetera use to condemn consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults, do not talk about consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults at all.

In a very limited sense you are right here - they do not talk specifically about consensual ss acts - they are a blanket condemnation of all ss acts.

They do not talk specifically about consensual ss acts because just as when talking of adultery, fornication isnt making a blanket condemnation of all coituses, so never has the Bible condemned consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
11/ The word sodomite, historically and originally, was never and is not another word for consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults (i.e. not gays or homosexual). The word sodomite, from the on set, as in the Bible, is a word originally meant for a male temple prostitute(s) and never the definition of consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships (i.e. gays)
so be a good idea to understand the

Sodomite 0, catamite 0, rent boy 0, whatever. The prohibition is against all acts of a ss nature. Your attempt to find cause for a certain kind fails woefully. Flat on your face buddy .

You are wrong and just being incorrigible, as in, incapable of being corrected.

The reason there is a cause for this certain relationship is because it is born of mutual love, and you cant make such love into a bad thing. You cant TV01, fault a committed, faithful, kind, caring and love until death do part relationship that has no bad fruit(s)

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
12/ In Paul's day there were at least, 17 words in Greek that Paul could have used to talk about gays if he wanted to say gay is sin but instead of using any of those already existing 17 Greek words, Paul invented and coined a new Greek word, "arsenokoites", it is the word I have been mentioning up above. Now for the attention of my lovely two brothers TV01 and Shepherd00, Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when the pronouncement Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were made and/or given

And the words Paul coined in Greek reflect the Hebrew words used to utterly condemn it in Leviticus..

Paul didnt use any of those 17 words that ordinarily means gays, SSA persons or homosexual/lesbian, but used the words associated and synonymous with cheating, sleeping around, unfaithfulness, cruelty to children, pedophilia as in sexual attraction to prepubescent children, temple prostitution, ritual sex etcetera

I am 110% sure that neither you or OkCornel know that Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were issued and is prevailing again in Paul's time, there in Rome. Hmm?

Do you guys want me to give and explain to youse, the true and original meanings of the words "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" ? Also inform youse why "arsenokoites" is defined as sodomites. Hmm? You TV01, like waving and banding about the word sodomite(s), I've noticed. Meet me immediately below down then, just for "arsenokoites" to start with, we can catch up with "malakoi/malakos" and meaning of sodomite(s) later TV01 and OkCornel, yeah?

TV01:
MuttleyLaff:
13/ Bearing in mind, that, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen. Now TV01, Shepherd00, openmine and others, dont you think, it would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", that, in his construct, he used, man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural, hmm? Has the penny dropped yet, erh?

The term is clearly capturing men in the bed, something of a reflection of the Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled". Here any bed shared by ss couples is abominable. It was a blanket condemnation and universal prohibition of what is an abominable, depraved, detestable and defiling act. Period.

TV

"¹⁷There shall be no whôre of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute)
¹⁸Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whôre, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow. The Lord hates temple prostitutes.)"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

This bit here, I know, will be of the utmost interest to OkCornel, because I am going to tell you, him OkCornel and others something that you dont know about "arsenokoites" Now remember that I mentioned that Paul invented this word all by himself. He ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to use this new word "arsenokoites" he created from two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- " (i.e. man) as in, singular and then used "koites", (i.e. beds), as in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services hopping from one patrons bed to another patron's bed, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural TV01

Did you TV01 and OkCornel notice Deuteronomy 23:17-18 reproduced above, hmm? Hin don tay wey yansh don dey back of fowl ooo. This temple male prostitutes, also known as sodomites, the Isrealites met it on the ground or land from when they inherited the land flowing with milk and honey from the Canaanites. Nobi small thing ooo, and God was without mincing words, expressly against it

TV01:
For completeness, I am responding to part 3 of MuttleyLaffs tri-post screed ahead of possibly summarising and closing this one out.

That was the abomination of confusion, of going after "strange flesh" as it were. A depraved and detestable thing.

"Ah, argh irọ nla nla, o de bẹru Ọlọrun, ti o ba tiẹ ni, ibẹru ikunle abiamọ nau" loosely translated means "why this big lie nau, fear God please" TV01 do you really understand what Bible calls "strange flesh" at all? I honestly doubt you remotely know, You woudnt have passingly used it the manner you've just did, if you do know. Going after "strange flesh" in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 indeed. SMH. Tsk.

TV01:
MuttleyLaff, you have repeatedly referred to "deceitful/misleading/mis-interpreted translations" " kindly provide the original and correct translations that Christian orthodoxy has overlooked these past 2'000 years

Puleeease, stop all these pretence and nonchalant shrugging already.

Though still de facto in pocket areas, like in Middle East countries, for example, how long was slavery and serfdom going on and overlooked before its eventual abolition, hmm TV01? Didnt it have a good run ehn? Asking for the original and correct translations is just not being candid or sincere when the facts are out there for all to see and examine, just as I've done in my comments on the previous post to this one

Isnt it shameful, what's been done to the true and original meanings of words like "arsenokoites", "malakoi/malakos" "sodomites" etcetera twisted their meaning and thereby used to victimise and demonise caring, kind, committed, SSA person romantic relationships associated with love thats till death do apart, ehn?

TV01:
Christianity does not and cannot condemn gays - Christianity does not recognise such a category of person. What Christianity recognises is ss intimate behaviour as abominable.

God recognises all creatures embodied in a human flesh. When the chips are down, it isnt going to be about asking who did you love but the question, will be how did you love

TV01:
We have done as requested and found your submissions, wanting. Ill considered as a result of ideological conviction, counter-factual, weasley, deceptive, wilfully twisted and chock full of falsehood.

Liar, liar, pants on fire, you know in your heart you're lying and havent done any sort thing. SMH vigorously at you and with disgust too.

TV01:
We know - and this was touched on earlier in the thread. Although this word was used to try and justify ss acts, needless to say, regardless of the descriptives used, physical intimacy between members of the ss is disordered and dysfunctional.

When faced with facts, acceptance of what I said is inevitable, as you've just done with "We know" What more do you know but because of inflated ego, arrogance, high horse, chip on the shoulder etcetera dont want to admit to, hmm?

TV01:
This is your intentionally false assertion, based on an intentionally false interpretation of the words used. Pauls use of the words arsenos and koites directly refers to Greek renderings of the OT prohibitions against ss intimacy in Leviticus (18;22 and 20:13 as noted).

Your pusillanimous attempt to pluralise the word "bed" and reach to claim it means "promiscuity", and promiscuity is the issue is stunning in it's audacity.

It's actually you being pusillanimous here not me TV01 because I have repeately said there is no example of the word arsenokoites ever before being used aside those two uses of it in the Bible by Paul when tackling the issue of temple male prostitutes hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual liasons, screwing around with patrons seeking ritual sex wrongly believing its a gateway to receiving divine blessing indulging in it.

TV01:
LEVITICUS!!!!!

Shout until your throat goes sore, you are deludedly wrong about that. There is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns caring, kind, committed, SSA person romantic relationships associated with love thats till death do apart.

TV01:
Lies. First, the condemnation of ss activity only starts from around v18. Second it is a universal outcry against mankind suppressing, denying and rebelling against God, not specifically about temple prostitution or ritual sex orgies.

You havent brush up you Bible properly, no wonder you have truth decay. SMH.

The wrath of God against promicuous ss activity starts from around the verse Romans 1:18, then it, at Romans 1:26-27, in a way that leaves no room for doubt, stated that they burned with lust for one another, as men committed indecent acts with other men etcetera. Now tell me TV01, do couples in a caring, kind, committed, romantic relationships associated with love of any sorts indulge in lust after another person or committing indecent acts with other people, hmm?. No, it doesnt happen like that and you know that, so stop all this your hanky panky hide and seek, peek a boo games you're playing with real truth and facts please ojaare. The whole of Romans 1:1-32 contextually was an indictment against temple male and female prositution. Read the book nah, you'll see.

TV01:
Paul was "ranting" against all forms of ss activity/behaviour. The OT verses noted above just show that if Paul had wanted to refere to temple prostitutes, there were extant words that would have been quite suitable.

You surely are a bonafide and confirmed drowning man still clutching at any available straw in sight sha.

TV01:
Answered above

You thought you have.

TV01:
Shoot yourself in the foot. The Levitical prohibitions were universally against ss activity. If the verses in the NT echoed them, then they are also universal.

You can keeping on saying this till the cows come home, but you aren't saying it at all, as it is TV01

TV01:
Yes. God decrees the confusion and depravity of ss behaviour abominable - standalone or as part of idolatrous temple worship

If upon what you've just read and this is how you replied to it, then you really must be one confused *^%$*&£@%

TV01:
Jesus actively engaged with sinners -it's why he came. And Jesus would not have recognised anyone as homosexual. Further The Lord pointed to the creational design and intent of sex between male and female within marriage.

You are quite right because we dont serve a homophobic God, and that is why Jesus, even when on earth didnt see anything untoward with SSA people, but actually was filled with wonder and astonishment, He just couldnt help not publicly praise formally & officially one particular SSA person in the Gospel of Luke and in Matthew.

TV01:
Oh yes He did. Directly - Leviticus etc. And indirectly - The Lord pointing to the male/female & marriage archetypes, and via Apostles, including Paul, Peter & Jude.

Oh no, He didnt. And directly - The Lord pointing to the fact that there is no male/female & marriage in heaven. I'll take the Lord's word anything first and above the Apostles, including Paul, Peter & Jude

TV01:
All responded to - repeatedly.

but you miserably failed on each and every account

TV01:
It's over MuttleyLaff - quit while you are behind, lest you end up in the behind


TV

You think, its over, but it is actually you, its over for, as you dont know momoh and jack.

TV01:
First, for the 6’000 years up until literally yesterday, did “Gods plan for creation/humanity” as you have proclaimed it mean
1. that “LGBT+x/- would be persecuted?
2. That LGBTx-+/ would not be able to have children??

Further you are essentially stating the following, even though you’ve tried to make it sound like a question for deniability;

One of the reasons God blesses us with children aka the fruit of the womb is as follows;

1 Corinthians 7:14 - For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.

MuttleyLaff, how are such children holy or considered the result of procreation? Children that are not the result of man and woman, male and female, husband and wife in a consecrated marital union?

The children being “parented” by Elton John and David Furnish, are not as a result of natural procreation or the offspring of a scripturally based (male and female) marital union.

MuttleyLaff, pray tell are such children holy? The “biological mother” of such children is not a wife to either of the men, nor indeed in situ for the raising of the children – are such children holy MuttleyLaff?

Muttley you said this
MuttleyLaff:
No, I was not and never did claim that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples. Please dont saying scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind, especially when there is evidence in scripture about it. Just say, you arent aware of it because that is what you've being made and led to believe

You also stated this;
MuttleyLaff:
"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me, at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination".

Is that procreation Muttleylaff. Are the most worldy figures now iconic for Christians? Are the most depraved now role models for the brethren.
If SS couples cannot enter into marriage - according to your word - how are children holy? How are the children ss couples parent the result of procreation.

MuttleyLaff, this doctrine is twisting you into all kinds of shapes. You must be pretzel like by now . Further, the deeper you commit, the further from the truth you stray. You sound like an unabashed homosexualst and LGBT-+x/ advocate. Full fledged. campaigning for everything exactly as the world does .

TV

I cant believe you'll have the audacity to ask me such a lame question like this hmm and be quoting 1 Corinthians 7:14 in line with it. Tell me TV01, are SSA persons who are believers not sanctified by Christ, ehn? SMH.

Please o wise one, not, what is procreation that is good in your books, that makes you sniff at and have a low opinion of in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination, because it is only a wicked person at heart, that would stand in the way of anyone who loves and yearns to have his/her own children in whichever de jure way is permissibly possible. To think you find this issue laughable is strange.

TV01:
Don't attempt a diversionary manoeuvre Muttley. I have a number of posts which you have steadfastly ignored. I have raised a new one, feel free to ignore like the others, but don't attempt a deceitful non-response. Even so, I see OKCornel's submission re meaning and have no contention with it - it does not change the clear reading of scripture. Now to my post/s.

1. Why did God allow LGBTQ+-x/ to suffer these past 6'000 years - or even longer as you don't subscribe to a 6 thousand year old creation?
2. Why did Gods plan for creation include an interminable length of time without children for LGBTQ+-/X?
3. If, as you state marriage is not for ss couples, how are these children sanctified?
4. The bible; holy children as those born to at least one believing parent in a male-female marriage. How far for children parented by ss?


TV

1/ I am not going to answer this question, since you've decided to slander me, just like that my dedicated over zealous fan lied about me with Naomi and Ruth. The only Naomi, I've ever mentioned in my Nairaland MuttleyLaff life is Naomi Campbell, and none other than that. I have never typed Naomi, except for Naomi Campbell, anywhere in the Religion forum. This is your reward for getting your fact wrong TV01. You'll now appreciate more, why that, this my dedicated over zealous fan is on permanent "Ignore Mode ON" and why I dont bat him an eyelid
2/ God is waiting for man to come up with the miraculous ideas He has placed in them for this to happen. Besides God isnt in a hurry, He has all the time in His Hands. I guess, as a consolation, you might say, it answers #1 above not attended to by me
3/ SMH, I said marriage is an imitation, a copy of a real thing in heaven. Marriage is a union between the soul and God. It is beyond sexuality or gender
4/ Check previous post above. Please stop repeating questions I've previously answered. Small time now, you'll be accusing me of repeating myself, why wouldnt I, when you lot wont read but keep re-asking about issues or questions I've previously addressed

TV01:
Indeed, God only knows the heart of man. I can only see the outworking of yours based on your submissions here .

It's 4 posts actually and, I am not actually asking for responses - have I at any point requested them? This is a public forum. There is no protocol as such and, I always post with the fully understanding that those addressed may choose not to reply. There is no compulsion.

Moreover, I am seeing this as less a discussion and more a slow moving car crash as you increasingly tie yourself in knots trying to justify your position from the bible. You can't ride the beast, just swallow the frog .

MuttleyLaff, e caan done! All attempts to squeeze a positive ss theology into scripture is doomed to fail. Attempting it is just foolhardy. And, you are failing woefully.


TV

Will you look at that, he's keeping tabs. Well, all outstanding posts each and every one now responded to. We now even. I owe you nothing anymore.

Just one person makes the effort worthwhile. Cant wait to carry out deconstructing the lies with OkCornel now, Yippee!

MuttleyLaff:
"“Look,” He replied, “I will let you use cow dung instead of human excrement, and you may bake your bread over that."
- Ezekiel 4:15

Excrement isnt necessarily a bad thing but when retained in the body, it becomes poison. So, it's imperative to purge the body of Christ off the extrement of lies perpetrated by the church to demonise SSA persons when in cahoot with Canon laws regulated homosexual activity backed through decrees issued by a number of synods, starting from the 5th century Council of Elvira

It is the abominable nature of the fact or state of being promiscuous that is repeated throughout the Bible. In the OT and NT, it is expressed in clear and definite terms that God found the practice of the Canaanites of Ancient Israel practice of honoring the fertility goddess Asherah with ritual sex an abomination and detestable. Similar narrative unfolds when this same practice reared its head among the gentiles in Rome, that Paul had to voice out with making reference to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, when writing Romans 1:26-27 etcetera

This is like asking OkCornel, to please show you, in the Bible where God said He has stopped tithes. You are just exhilarating yourself with all these your bonus reward points dead-ended out of place third-degree questions and the way you are deliberately trying to ignore the facts of how the original meanings of words in the Bible were changed to mean something else used with the inception of another two words homosexual & homosexuality, and everything was used to demonise consensual adult SSA committed, faithful, caring, kind, love thats till death do part relationships

This is lie from the pit of hell and you know it, because it isnt consensual adult SSA committed, faithful, caring, kind, love thats till death do part relationships that the Bible condemns in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 et cetera or elsewhere

TV01, we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Get this straight that no one, before we come to it, is crossing the bridge. We have to deconstruct those lies first together, then we can mount, climb and cross the bridge after.

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This is untrue because for starters, Paul had never used the word "homosexual" when describing the sinful behaviors of the time.

Each of the words now used to demonise SSA persons, OkCornel with good judgement or sense has looked up and researched on a few, and it shows that even words like "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and a word that was later translated in 1958 to mean homosexuals, originally and actually is a word, that meant moral weakness and was used to describe the immorality of the temple prostitutes of Corinth etcetera. One of the meanings of "malakoi/malakos" in the first century was it being an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face in the Greek manner, using makeup, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries and fancy clothing to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex.

The above Instagram link shows the nomadic Wodaabe community belonging to the Fulani ethnic group with make-up on, though they are not into temple ritual sex etcetera, but India is the last bastion of where this temple ritual sex, temple male prostitutes etcetera practised by the Canaanites in Leviticus times and by the heathen gentiles in Paul's Rome and Corinth times, is to date, still done. They are called "arsenokoites" or sodomites in India but are called by another word vernacular to that area

I am just pointing out your hypocrises, that you kind lie every single day, you'll lie at least one lie tomorrow, but you have the audacity to be pointing at one fathom speck in somebody's else eye, without mind the big fat log beam in your own santimonious eyes.


If you want it that way, OK, that's just semantics, "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are semantics, yet it does change the fact and reality that greed, covetousness, lack of self-control and lust are improper desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity, cheating, sleeping around etcetera but also cause friction, harm, pain to another whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was supposedly professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise

On the contrary. I have already and again explained to you above how you've pulled wool(s) over your eyes and led yourself up the garden path with tissues of lies. You really ought to be reading scripture in context, in order to be able to get the real picture TV01.

They do not talk specifically about consensual ss acts because just as when talking of adultery, fornication isnt making a blanket condemnation of all coituses, so never has the Bible condemned consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults

You are wrong and just being incorrigible, as in, incapable of being corrected.

The reason there is a cause for this certain relationship is because it is born of mutual love, and you cant make such love into a bad thing. You cant TV01, fault a committed, faithful, kind, caring and love until death do part relationship that has no bad fruit(s)

Paul didnt use any of those 17 words that ordinarily means gays, SSA persons or homosexual/lesbian, but used the words associated and synonymous with cheating, sleeping around, unfaithfulness, cruelty to children, pedophilia as in sexual attraction to prepubescent children, temple prostitution, ritual sex etcetera

I am 110% sure that neither you or OkCornel know that Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were issued and is prevailing again in Paul's time, there in Rome. Hmm?

Do you guys want me to give and explain to youse, the true and original meanings of the words "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" ? Also inform youse why "arsenokoites" is defined as sodomites. Hmm? You TV01, like waving and banding about the word sodomite(s), I've noticed. Meet me immediately below down then, just for "arsenokoites" to start with, we can catch up with "malakoi/malakos" and meaning of sodomite(s) later TV01 and OkCornel, yeah?

"¹⁷There shall be no whôre of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute)
¹⁸Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whôre, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow. The Lord hates temple prostitutes.)"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

This bit here, I know, will be of the utmost interest to OkCornel, because I am going to tell you, him OkCornel and others something that you dont know about "arsenokoites" Now remember that I mentioned that Paul invented this word all by himself. He ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to use this new word "arsenokoites" he created from two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- " (i.e. man) as in, singular and then used "koites", (i.e. beds), as in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services hopping from one patrons bed to another patron's bed, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural TV01

Did you TV01 and OkCornel notice Deuteronomy 23:17-18 reproduced above, hmm? Hin don tay wey yansh don dey back of fowl ooo. This temple male prostitutes, also known as sodomites, the Isrealites met it on the ground or land from when they inherited the land flowing with milk and honey from the Canaanites. Nobi small thing ooo, and God was without mincing words, expressly against it

Hi Muttley, please what Bible version was used here? Thanks...

OkCornel:
Hi Muttley, please what Bible version was used here? Thanks...

I dont necessarily at any given time, have or use a specific Bible version OkCornel. The reason for that is because, I often only use Bible versions after reviewing them, as in, compared with the original Hebrew or Greek text to see which version is best closest to what's shown, as in, which conveys the most for almost every single word I see, in the original Hebrew or Greek text.

Now to answer your question, OkCornel, I used King James version (i.e. KJV) for the above Deuteronomy 23:17-18 scripture, and at some points, the added "i.e." is either New Living Translation (i.e. NLT) or Good News Translation versions (i.e. GNT)

As for the Ezekiel 4:15 scripture OkCornel, I used the Berean Study Bible version (i.e. BSB)

In the light of facts, someone like Shepherd00, like how he typed on page 13 of this thread, will be saying:
"MuttleyLaff, Issues are raised here which are outside Temple Prostitution, why did you conclude with (The Lord hates Temple Prostitution?) I didn't even see where Temple Prostitution is mentioned here ..."
cc Bejusttoall

MuttleyLaff:
1/ I am not going to answer this question, since you've decided to slander me, just like that my dedicated over zealous fan lied about me with Naomi and Ruth. The only Naomi, I've ever mentioned in my Nairaland MuttleyLaff life is Naomi Campbell, and none other than that. I have never typed Naomi, except for Naomi Campbell, anywhere in the Religion forum. This is your reward for getting your fact wrong TV01. You'll now appreciate more, why that, this my dedicated over zealous fan is on permanent "Ignore Mode ON" and why I dont bat him an eyelid
2/ God is waiting for man to come up with the miraculous ideas He has placed in them for this to happen. Besides God isnt in a hurry, He has all the time in His Hands. I guess, as a consolation, you might say, it answers #1 above not attended to by me
3/ SMH, I said marriage is an imitation, a copy of a real thing in heaven. Marriage is a union between the soul and God. It is beyond sexuality or gender
4/ Check previous post above. Please stop repeating questions I've previously answered. Small time now, you'll be accusing me of repeating myself, why wouldnt I, when you lot wont read but keep re-asking about issues or questions I've previously addressed

I think the only mistake i have made is the fact that i never attached your very words where you explained to some one about a hint of such lesbian relationship of ruth and naomi here just the same way you were making reference to the supposed gay feelings between david and jonathan!
Guy just know that next time your very words will be attached to what you said so that you dont claim i lied esp when you are the one with that honour!

Secondly,equating or comparing tithes and homosexuality just shows how farcical you have fallen!
well i wont go into tithes because that is a different subject matter!
Don't forget when you made this thread,your very words were that you had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts!

Muttleylaff,i asked you to even get scriptures that even bear any semblance of God indirectly welcomes homosexual acts,and you were unable to prove just one!

If your subject was based squarely on logic and human researches,would have kept quiet and followed the thread or even walk away!
Notwithstanding you said(not me) that you had powerful scriptures that have the ability of being fast and furious!
Just as someone who happened to be your fan rightly said,'you wasted an entire 18 pages and yet you were not able to come up with a single scripture to buttress your points'!

As per the 'IGNORE MODE ON' gibberish,it gives me joy knowing you are unable and incapable of answering my questions which reassures me that your stance for the homosexual acts is hare-brained,gibberish and indiscreet!

MuttleyLaff:


cc Bejusttoall

From over 20 cc'ed fans to just one?
Is this how desperate you are that you need assistance?
Why do you bother the lives of people who have begged and warned you not to cc them?
Don't you get it that they dont want to be a part of this "inconclusive" thread?

All in your bid to find likes and supportive comments?
Do you want to be disgraced the same way your other fan disgraced you yesterday?

Shepherd00, as you can see everything that this my dedicated over zealous fan types or says is scam, even his good morning, apart from the rain checking I told you about, should also be investigated henceforth. Look at him lying through his teeth. Just keeps on making up lies, where is it verbatim, when and where I typed that "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts", hmm? SMH. Even the alleged Naomi and Ruth one, he is now chomping teeth because it is a fabricated big fat lie. It wasnt me.

As I previously said, if it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely dedicated heckler makes me out to be, saying about me "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! far from it, nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts as they are and show themselves.

The question my lovely dedicated heckler asks are dead simple questions, the answers and/or replies are littered all over the Bible. Will only cross that bridge when I come to it, not and never before anyway.

Doesnt even know that it has nothing to do with needing assistance, winning anything, likes, supportive comments, being disgraced or not being disgraced etcetera. Nah, nothing at all to remotely do with anything like that. I am just pleased to be a source of enjoyment for you, it is a blessing to be that for you. Thank you very much for the privilege