Hello NairaLanders,
Please I need clarity on a very important issue.
Am actually aiming to become a website developer and I started my career with learning HTML and CSS.
And right now am very good with WordPress and I can install themes and even edit theme's to my taste.
But I was told to become a developer I need to know how to code, To my uttermost suprise I discovered that even if I don't have idea about coding I can build a website perfectly well and I don't know the application and usefulness of the HTML and CSS I learnt online since I can build a website without writing any code and I have some couple of questions I need clarity on.

1. Can I call myself a website developer and apply for jobs as a web developer since I can perfectly build website using WordPress?

2. Can any experienced NairaLander who is a website developer just be my mentor?
I promise not to disturb I just need someone who will tell me what to do and also how to become a website developer.
Please I stay in Ondo state and I feel distance can't be a barrier since am determined to Learn

TeeeSharp:


1. Can I call myself a website developer and apply for jobs as a web developer since I can perfectly build website using WordPress?

NO. To be called a DEVELOPER, you must be able to develop a website on your own without the use of themes. Also, being an expert in HTML and CSS only qualifies you as a junior DESIGNER and not a DEVELOPER. Yes you can apply for a job. Many companies use wordpress. But nevertheless, do not relent in growing your skills in Coding. You may be needed to write an algorithm to solve a particular task which you may not find it's plugin on both free or premium platforms. Cheers

webapi:


NO. To be called a DEVELOPER, you must be able to develop a website on your own without the use of themes. Also, being an expert in HTML and CSS only qualifies you as a junior DESIGNER and not a DEVELOPER. Yes you can apply for a job. Many companies use wordpress. But nevertheless, do not relent in growing your skills in Coding. You may be needed to write an algorithm to solve a particular task which you may not find it's plugin on both free or premium platforms. Cheers

Thanks bro but am a novice in this seeking for knowledge and am somehow confused..
please I have some questions from what you just said now.
How do I develop a website on my own without using themes?
most times whenever I search on Google, I just get response like developing website from scratch and that I need to learn JS. But I feel like after learning JavaScript on Codecademy how exactly will I get to develop the website from scratch?
and you also talked about me growing my skills in coding. Does that mean learning another programming language?
I hope to hear from you soon boss thank you.

TeeeSharp:
Hello NairaLanders,
Please I need clarity on a very important issue.
Am actually aiming to become a website developer and I started my career with learning HTML and CSS.
And right now am very good with WordPress and I can install themes and even edit theme's to my taste.
But I was told to become a developer I need to know how to code, To my uttermost suprise I discovered that even if I don't have idea about coding I can build a website perfectly well and I don't know the application and usefulness of the HTML and CSS I learnt online since I can build a website without writing any code and I have some couple of questions I need clarity on.

1. Can I call myself a website developer and apply for jobs as a web developer since I can perfectly build website using WordPress?

2. Can any experienced NairaLander who is a website developer just be my mentor?
I promise not to disturb I just need someone who will tell me what to do and also how to become a website developer.
Please I stay in Ondo state and I feel distance can't be a barrier since am determined to Learn

YES, you're a developer and you can call yourself a wordpress web developer specifically, but that in it self also mean many things because even wordpress development needs coding at times. But fact is you're a developer. A Developer is anyone who is contributing to web advancement in one way or the other whether through programming, designing etc

The actual question should be am "I a programmer"? Technically, No, you're not and to be one you need to learn a programming language. And to become a web programmer specifically you need to learn a web language e.g NodeJs, PHP, ASP etc

My mentor advise is this. put your html and css skill into use, google wordpress theme editing.It requires your HTML and CSS skill heavily, this means you edit already made themes, after you've done this, learn PHP(wordpress is made with PHP) and when you're just good enough, port into building themes from scratch. and if you've become confident enough, port into wordpress plugin development (Also learn MYSQL at this stage) . As a plugin developer, you can call yourself a progtammer and by then you can morph wordpress into anything you like.

Also if coding does not fit your style, learn just UI/UX and develop your HTML and CSS skill and pursue a career in frontend development.

Peace.

stanliwise:
YES, you're a developer and you can call yourself a wordpress web developer specifically, but that in it self also mean many things because even wordpress development needs coding at times. But fact is you're a developer. A Developer is anyone who is contributing to web advancement in one way or the other whether through programming, designing etc

The actual question should be am "I a programmer"? Technically, No, you're not and to be one you need to learn a programming language. And to become a web programmer specifically you need to learn a web language e.g NodeJs, PHP, ASP etc

My mentor advise is this. put your html and css skill into use, google wordpress theme editing.It requires your HTML and CSS skill heavily, this means you edit already made themes, after you've done this, learn PHP(wordpress is made with PHP) and when you're just good enough, port into building themes from scratch. and if you've become confident enough, port into wordpress plugin development (Also learn MYSQL at this stage) . As a plugin developer, you can call yourself a progtammer and by then you can morph wordpress into anything you like.

Also if coding does not fit your style, learn just UI/UX and develop your HTML and CSS skill and pursue a career in frontend development.

Peace.

Thanks so much bro
it's getting clearer now
just 2 questions bro
Can I develop website from scratch using Dreamweaver?
If yes to the above... After developing it to my taste what will be next if I want to publish it on the web?
i read somewhere that a server will be needed please bro can you please give me a detailed explanation as regards what needs to be done after developing it via Dreamweaver?.
thanks boss

TeeeSharp:

Thanks so much bro
it's getting clearer now
just 2 questions bro
Can I develop website from scratch using Dreamweaver?
If yes to the above... After developing it to my taste what will be next if I want to publish it on the web?
i read somewhere that a server will be needed please bro can you please give me a detailed explanation as regards what needs to be done after developing it via Dreamweaver?.
thanks boss

I have never used dream waver before but I think it's a very powerful web IDE but even at that you may still need a server-side language like Node, PHP to create what we call a full working website.
As for publishing your codes to make it available to the world. You need a to pay a hosting company, which will provide your webspace to place your web-files so that it can be accessible by a unique web id/name called a web address. As for the technicalities of it. You need to watch YouTube videos. type "hosting my website ona server".

stanliwise:
I have never used dream waver before but I think it's a very powerful web IDE but even at that you may still need a server-side language like Node, PHP to create what we call a full working website.
As for publishing your codes to make it available to the world. You need a to pay a hosting company, which will provide your webspace to place your web-files so that it can be accessible by a unique web id/name called a web address. As for the technicalities of it. You need to watch YouTube videos. type "hosting my website ona server".

Thanks so much bro

@OP, see if you can pick out anything useful from my post on a similar thread
https://www.nairaland.com/5246568/please-check-out-website-coded#79364058

DualCore1:
@OP, see if you can pick out anything useful from my post on a similar thread
https://www.nairaland.com/5246568/please-check-out-website-coded#79364058

Thanks bro it did help
can I send you a pm?

No you are not, not yet

What you are right now is having a knowledge of the web (wordpress to be precise)

Well, web Developers and not wordpress installers write codes.

To parade yourself as a web developer, you should must know how to code. HTMl, CSs, JS, PHP,... Bla bla bla.

I hear someone reading this right now n saying to self (nigga that's trash, he knows wordpress he's good to go, he's a developer ).

Wordpress developers know how to make & customize themes, can develop custom plugins, can add more features to plugins.... bla bla bla.

Front end developers know html css, sass, bootstrap, jquery, js bla bla bla. They can do wonders with them.

You learned HTML, CSS n don't know it's usefulness n application .... Really!

Take html css again, this time you'll def figure out its usefulness, then bootstrap, sass, js., bla bla bla .

What you should do.... Cool down, don't read it like a novel, read it and make something with whatever you just read. Video tutorials will be very useful here. YouTube, Udemy, Udacity, etc sign up and take/watch free courses on web development.

Also, Google path to becoming a Fullstack/Frontend/Backend web developer, you'll see what n whats needed to become one.

Don't aim at becoming them, those petty 1k, 2k scammer web developer wordpress installers we have on NL, that knows nothing than installing wordpress n theme, they disappear with clients money when they find out the project they signed up for is a bigger task than installing. Lol (shaking tables )

I am not here to discourage you, but to let you know that you shouldn't relax, there's still more to learn. That doesn't mean you shouldn't take up WP tasks that you can easily complete, Money is importanter

There's huge reward for learning the right way, go slow and steady or get radical - whichever way. Keep Learning

Me not a pro/xpert , ,.I know nothing like John Snow ....


Let me take my seat at a far corner, I'll leave you to the Oga's here

Peace

TeeeSharp:

Thanks bro it did help
can I send you a pm?

Yes boss

SirLakes:

To parade yourself as a web developer, you should must know how to code. HTMl, CSs, JS, PHP,... Bla bla bla.

I hear someone reading this right now n saying to self (nigga that's trash, he knows wordpress he's good to go, he's a developer ).

Please help me with the definition of a web developer!
Most of you confuse fullStack with web development. A proficient front-end designer is a developer.
"That's trash" is just a nasty use of word for your ignorance.

stanliwise:

Please help me with the definition of a web developer!
Most of you confuse fullStack with web development. A proficient front-end designer is a developer.
"That's trash" is just a nasty use of word for your ignorance.

A Web developer is a kind of programmer who specializes in the development of applications relating to the World Wide Web or distributed network applications, which typically run protocols like HTTP from a Web server to a client browser using associated programming languages like HTML/CSS, C#, Ruby and PHP to name a few. A Web developer is usually concerned with the back end or the programming aspect of creating a website or Web application and is not to be confused with a Web designer, who only deals with the aesthetics of a website or application, although many professionals have both skill sets

webapi:

A Web developer is a kind of programmer who specializes in the development of applications relating to the World Wide Web or distributed network applications, which typically run protocols like HTTP from a Web server to a client browser using associated programming languages like HTML/CSS, C#, Ruby and PHP to name a few. A Web developer is usually concerned with the back end or the programming aspect of creating a website or Web application and is not to be confused with a Web designer, who only deals with the aesthetics of a website or application, although many professionals have both skill sets

You can't be serious, so you don't understand simple English, you just shot yourself in the foot, aesthetic deal with thing like picture design, animation creation, video making, wire frame design, logo design, UI/UX etc. I doubt you have worked as a developer before. I am a web developer for your information, I do just back-end though, I have many colleagues that do our front-end, we use the mvc framework here. so don't tell me what I know and give respect to those who respect is due to.

[An excerpt from Wikipedia, 2019]
Modern web applications often contain three or more tiers ,
and depending on the size of the team a developer works
on, he or she may specialize in one or more of these tiers -
or may take a more interdisciplinary role. A web developer
is usually classified as a Front-end web development or a
Back-End Web Developer. For example, in a two-person
team, one developer may focus on the technologies sent to
the client such as HTML, JavaScript , CSS, ReactJs or
AngularJS and on the server-side frameworks (such as Perl,
Python , Ruby , PHP , Java , ASP , ASP.NET , Node.js ) used to deliver content and scripts to the client. Meanwhile, the
other developer might focus on the interaction between
server-side frameworks, the web server , and a database
system. Further, depending on the size of their organization,
the aforementioned developers might work closely with a
content creator/copy writer, marketing adviser, user
experience designer, web designer , web producer, project
manager , software architect , or database administrator - or
they may be responsible for such tasks as web design and
project management themselves.
[Reference]
Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_developer

stanliwise:

Please help me with the definition of a web developer!
Most of you confuse fullStack with web development. A proficient front-end designer is a developer.
"That's trash" is just a nasty use of word for your ignorance.

Read again, this time slowly

You'll see where I mentioned fullstack, front-end.

A web developer can be front-end, back-end, fullstack(a hybrid who knows front and backend )

What category is op now? Will you say op who doesn't know Html, Css n it's applicantion a front-end designer? From what he said, he can't even create a static page

A frontend designer must be proficient/xpert in HTML, CSS, SASS, bootstrap, JS (client side)

Okay, lemme ask you, what skill set should a front-end developer have? WP installation ?

SirLakes:


Read again, this time slowly

You'll see where I mentioned fullstack, front-end

What category is op now? Will you say op who doesn't know Html, Css n it's applicantion a front-end designer?

A frontend designer must be proficient/xpert with HTML, CSS, SASS, JS (client side)

Okay, lemme ask you, what skill set should a front-end developer have? WP installation?

I hate arguing with people like you. Op said he has learnt HTML and CSS. maybe he is not proficient but if he knows the right people with just his knowledge of wordpress and HTML and CSS, if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer or least of all as an intern. Read my post very well, he is a developer which ever way you put it. Anyone who can setup a website is a web developer by implication, although many developer frown at this majorly to discourage mediocrity but that is the hard fact.

Nigeria has become so bad that to just earn we have to do full stack and be proficient in almost all, and at the end of the day, we are still paid peanuts.
I am not encouraging mediocrity anyway, I am just saying what is possible. BTW OP hasn't told us his proficiency, it was just your conclusion.
Throw in the towel.

stanliwise:
I hate arguing with people like you. Op said he has learnt HTML and CSS. maybe he is not proficient but if he knows the right people with just his knowledge of wordpress and HTML and CSS, if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer or least of all as an intern. Read my post very well, he is a developer which ever way you put it.
Nigeria has become so bad that to just earn we have to do full stack and be proficient in almost all, and at the end of the day, we are still paid peanuts.
I am not encouraging mediocrity anyway, I am just saying what is possible. BTW OP hasn't told us his proficiency, it was just your conclusion.
Throw in the towel.

Op said he has learnt HTML and CSS. maybe he is not proficient but if he knows the right people with just his knowledge of wordpress and HTML and CSS, if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer or least of all as an intern.

Right now, is he qualify as a Junior front-end developer?



Op's question:

Can I call myself a website developer and apply for jobs as a web developer since I can perfectly build website using WordPress?

One of Your answers: if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer or least of all as an intern.

Now, he doesn't have the knowledge of JQuery(JS) and Bootstrap (which I mentioned n you also concur with ).

Now, my question: Is op qualify as web developer?
What category of developer is he?

Don't forget your this
if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer


I hate arguing with people like you. You can insult me Sir

SirLakes:



Op said he has learnt HTML and CSS. maybe he is not proficient but if he knows the right people with just his knowledge of wordpress and HTML and CSS, if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer or least of all as an intern.

Right now, is he qualify as a Junior front-end developer?



Op's question:

Can I call myself a website developer and apply for jobs as a web developer since I can perfectly build website using WordPress?

One of Your answers: if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer or least of all as an intern.

Now, he doesn't have the knowledge of JQuery(JS) and Bootstrap (which I mentioned n you also concur with ).

Now, my question: Is op qualify as web developer?
What category of developer is he?

Don't forget your this
if he can add JQuery(JS) knowledge and Bootstrap, he can qualify as a Junior front-end developer


I hate arguing with people like you. You can insult me Sir

Yes he can. With only html and Css, he can hard fact.
CSS3 new features, check it out

stanliwise:
Yes he can. With only html and Css, he can hard fact.
CSS3 new features, check it out

That's your opinion

My opinion he's not yet, he should learn those framework n technologies mentioned. With that, he fit raise his left shoulder small

Enjoy your day

SirLakes:

That's your opinion

My opinion he's not yet, he should learn those framework n technologies mentioned. With that, he fit raise his left shoulder small

Enjoy your day

Yes and opinions of employers..
Have a nice day also.

stanliwise:
You can't be serious, so you don't understand simple English, you just shot yourself in the foot, aesthetic deal with thing like picture design, animation creation, video making, wire frame design, logo design, UI/UX etc. I doubt you have worked as a developer before. I am a web developer for your information, I do just back-end though, I have many colleagues that do our front-end, we use the mvc framework here. so don't tell me what I know and give respect to those who respect is due to.

[An excerpt from Wikipedia, 2019]
Modern web applications often contain three or more tiers ,
and depending on the size of the team a developer works
on, he or she may specialize in one or more of these tiers -
or may take a more interdisciplinary role. A web developer
is usually classified as a Front-end web development or a
Back-End Web Developer. For example, in a two-person
team, one developer may focus on the technologies sent to
the client such as HTML, JavaScript , CSS, ReactJs or
AngularJS and on the server-side frameworks (such as Perl,
Python , Ruby , PHP , Java , ASP , ASP.NET , Node.js ) used to deliver content and scripts to the client. Meanwhile, the
other developer might focus on the interaction between
server-side frameworks, the web server , and a database
system. Further, depending on the size of their organization,
the aforementioned developers might work closely with a
content creator/copy writer, marketing adviser, user
experience designer, web designer , web producer, project
manager , software architect , or database administrator - or
they may be responsible for such tasks as web design and
project management themselves.
[Reference]
Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_developer

You sound so unprofessional and just like an ordinary wordpress user.... From your reference, where did you see wordpress as either a frontend or backend development framework. Stop confusing the OP. He is not a developer and he feels the HTML and CSS he learnt is a waste to him. Op needs an advice on how to be proficient in web technologies so stop giving a blind advice. I really don't have much to tell you but i will advice you stop arguing blindly. Even the OP knows better than you do

webapi:

You sound so unprofessional and just like an ordinary wordpress user.... From your reference, where did you see wordpress as either a frontend or backend development framework. Stop confusing the OP. He is not a developer and he feels the HTML and CSS he learnt is a waste to him. Op needs an advice on how to be proficient in web technologies so stop giving a blind advice. I really don't have much to tell you but i will advice you stop arguing blindly. Even the OP knows better than you do

You're the worst person in programming section, your ignorance stinks so badly.

So you haven't heard/seen a wordpress developer. hahahhahaha, wait so wordress was created with paper and scissors abi, all themes and plugins were created with sand and dust abi.

please head here straight - https://developer.wordpress.org/
And please also head to http://fiverr.com. I work there, there is a section of skill set named wordpress developer.

Wordpress is a web builder hosting about 30% of website in the world. I have many people who develop with all their programming skill set with wordpress only, be it html, css, JavaScript, php, node, asp, Java (thanks to wordpress RESTful API). In some project some developers only do data management e.g MariaDB, MYSQL and migration wahala of a thing and that is all.

You're very impossible person. people like you have no profile and in real life don't do any coding at all. You hide behind the internet and talk trash. In reality, majorly it is junior developers that usually pack languages on their head because of employment wahala.
I will leave both of you to drawn in your ignorance. People like you would never go out to do any coding because the concept you hold in your head is very different from the real word industry.
I close my case. Don't expect any other response from me.

stanliwise:
You're the worst person in programming section, your ignorance stinks so badly.

So you haven't heard/seen a wordpress developer. hahahhahaha, wait so wordress was created with paper and scissors abi, all themes and plugins were created with sand and dust abi.

please head here straight - https://developer.wordpress.org/
And please also head to http://fiverr.com. I work there, there is a section of skill set named wordpress developer.

Wordpress is a web builder hosting about 30% of website in the world. I have many people who develop with all their programming skill set with wordpress only, be it html, css, JavaScript, php, node, asp, Java (thanks to wordpress RESTful API). In some project some developers only do data management e.g MariaDB, MYSQL and migration wahala of a thing and that is all.

You're very impossible person. people like you have no profile and in real life don't do any coding at all. You hide behind the internet and talk trash. In reality, majorly it is junior developers that usually pack languages on their head because of employment wahala.
I will leave both of you to drawn in your ignorance. People like you would never go out to do any coding because the concept you hold in your head is very different from the real word industry.
I close my case. Don't expect any other response from me.

You sound naive bro.... You are in no way a developer. You keep twisting your statement. For you to be called a wordpress DEVELOPER and being able to utilize everything you mentioned automatically means you understand JAVASCRIPT, PHP, OOP, JSON, and others like REACT, ANGULAR. op is no where close to these technologies so why call him a developer.... I feel your pain bro... Read up and study hard so you can out grow this Junior Childish Developer level of yours.