Problemkid1:
Foolish, hungry Kenyans are literally running from hunger and starvation in their shitthol country

Says an extremely poor man without toilets, eating bizarre creatures like frogs, rats, giant snails and snakes

nemesis8u:


It useless commenting here but still.....

The Chinese opened up their economy in 1975 and completely by 1978 onwards.

India started in the 90s

Chinese due to their totalitarian system were able to enforce their policies with iron hand and purse it without any stops and interference both internal and external.

India due to its democratic system had many hits and misses due to bad governments getting elected time and again , reform policies could not be continued as expected and this held back the economy. Nothing to say about the internal and external interferences which added to the problems.

One cannot compare 2 countries whose government system is completely different . Does not do justice to either.

Actually NOTHING indicate India was once richer than China. Such view is incorrect to reality, even when both country were empire.

Any type of gov't can be compared. Be it monarchical democracy vs democracy or communism vs democracy. Any gov't can be compared thru the lens of economic history.

GOVERMENT that focus on human capital, i mean placing more interest in manufacturing actually help economy grow faster. That may surely be China key to success ( industrial sector of China is similar to Germany)China has pull millions of her citizens out of poverty faster than many nation in the world.


India inability to invest in major area like africa may be the real reality of the set back. That is Heath and education. This two sectors play a larger role in China development while the manufacturing base speed up the growth.

Charelsz:
Look at this idiot you are worst than savage you don't know ,you are subhumans




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYoyBUxeLM

Brotherly

JaceBlaze:
You need accept your savagery in all fronts .no post shifted here we are still on track

There's nothing like accepting fact here. South Africa is the worse in Africa. The most Dangerous country to live in

JaceBlaze:
Running from what? are you not a kwerekwere that appeared out of nowhere after whipped another kwerekwere's ass with facts?

You didn't whipped anyone here with fact. You're dumb because you don't have any sense

Charelsz:
you mean you South Africans are subhumans? on that we Agree Obori.

Charelsz:
south Africans and their animals behaviors, I jump into a conversion that's has nothing to do with me.? But you mention Nigeria. how stupid are you? just to let you know, anytime you mention Nigeria I will be there to crack some nuts on that your Zulu head.

And yes you bored men to death. that's why i said you're catching feeling subhuman.

The mumuzulu is a dumbass. A whack and boring Zulul

Stevoh18:


Says an extremely poor man without toilets, eating bizarre creatures like frogs, rats, giant snails and snakes

This starving idiot is dumb. Only repeating the same thing. Do you have toilets in your shitthol country useless starving kiberan skeleton

gallivant:


I said no screenshots. Use your brain in arguments. Nobody is reading your screenshots. Thank you.

Pig go back to your gutter, that's where you belong, you disgusting pig

68816419:

The government has created many opportunities for young Agro entrepreneurs who wishes to venture into this sector,Many loans, grant and programs are provided .

Not what i was asking , but thanks .

X

Mkenya2019:
Check your history again. China started worrying about it population in 1950s and by 1960s had 2-child policy before it became 1-child policy - and later amendments was made for rural chinese or f]or those who got girls bla bla over the years.

u're confusing either urself or me here, I've checked my history properly, u still made me check one of my books "dealing with china" by Henry Paulson n there was no where it indicated that China had a two-child policy before d one-child policy.

Yes demographics alone doesn't explain everything but it's one of key factor - before you go to macro-economic policies and other socio-political issues.

demography affects only the socio-economic aspect of a country, if harnessed properly, its not really a burden on macro-economic.

I can give you example of kenya - kenya had same gdp with asian tigers at independence in 1960s - but asian tigers had different demographics - Kenya grew on average nearly 7-8% until oil crisis in post Arab-Isreal war in late 70s & later global oil crisis of 80s (nigeria enjoyed a boom time as everyone else gnashed their teeth) - about the same rate South Korea or Taiwan or Singapore or Malaysia - but while they grew wealthier - we were growing poorer. We were growing but per capita was going down because we also had actually the world fastest population growth - with our women getting on average 8 Kids - most in my village had 13-14 kids per woman and many were polygamous - so 1 man would gather for like 20 or 30 kids!.

We had done nearly everything the Asian tigers had done - except control our population. Yes oil crisis had for most part sabotaged our economy but our millions of kids were more damaging.

Kenya didn't do 10% of what asian tigers did in d 60s-90s. Kenya probably were exporting nothing but agricultural products while the Asian tigers were industrializing and building human capacity with massive infrastructures. Most african countries were still crawling when d ancient tigers were building electronics and building their maritime sector. It has nothing to do with ur demography but technological advancement of the Asian tigers. In fact, d only thing u did was to control ur pop.

By late 70s and 80s - it became obvious that we weren't going anywhere. All the individual and nation wealth were going to provide food, education, health care and basic needs for all the kids. There was hardly anything left at family level to save or invest. The same with gov - gov had to keep building new schools that were never enough, employ teachers, build dispensaries that were never enough, and we were basically in rat race. kenya population had grown from 6M at independence in 1963 to nearly 20M in 1983! And by the turn of the century we were 30M!

ok

So even though for two decades we did nearly everything the Asian tigers were doing - we became poorer and poorer.

no, u didn't.... if u had done, u wouldn't be where u are today.

Luckly for Kenya, we also began to take population control seriously, and now we are down to about 3 kids per woman, India are nearing 2 (in SSA only the likes of rsa/botswana/namibia have done it), and we are starting to see schools close because of lack of kids! People are now able to feed their kids better and have enough to save & invest, there are more workers, there are more taxes for gov to build infrastructure and the economy is growing at 6% (probably higher if we aggressively re-based like Ghana).

ok, good for u.

Yes other factors are important but nothing is more important for me than demography. The most important resource in the world is Human Capital - you can plan everything but it will come to naught if you don't plan human capital.

yeah, demography may be more important to u but not me... its just our diff perspective cos u only develop human capital through education and health n not child policy.

I can tell you for free - Nigeria is going nowhere - until it tames the north Nigerians breeding like rabbits.

thanks for the advice. The cause of their breeding like rabbits is majorly dawn to illiteracy n poverty of that region, if we can achieve the zero tolerance for Out-of-school Children and have semi-automated manufacturing industries over there, Nigeria will soar higher.

#Shalom.

gallivant:



You can't even help yourself. Anyways for perspective, Kenya's fiscal budget is 3,020,000,000,000 (three trillion) Kenya shillings, equivalent to 68,403,000,000,000 (sixty eight trillion) Tanzania shillings, or 10,721,000,000,000 (ten trillion) Nigerian naira.

Only Federal government budget is 8.91 trillion naira. Now, if we add just two states budgets you will get the same sum of the whole budget of Kenya which is shared by 47 counties.

theenchanter:
i talked about d 90s and not 80s. china was actually growing faster than india economically before d one-child policy ( china's gdp growth rate was averaging 8% n India was doing an average of 5% ). They implemented d one-child policy to curb rapid pop growth, china's population was already approaching 1b while India was roughly 700m, china's pop growth rate was also higher than India's.

Lol, the bolded doesn't change the fact that Indians were richer than the Chinese even from the sixties up to the 80s.India's per capita was higher than China's though China's GDP grew more. It's like saying Ethiopia is richer than South Africa or Nigeria because Ethiopia's GDP is currently growing at around 8% and South Africa (>1%) and Nigeria (2.3%) . China's population growth rate in the 60s to around 1980 was higher than India's, does that not explain why China was poorer than India around that era despite the fact that India's population was slightly lower?

Do you now see that high birth rate or even average birth rate is detrimental for countries with large populations as we have said here? If India had implemented the one child policy too, even by 1990,the effects would have started lifting India to China's level by now.

Don't forget India had access to western style education which encourages innovation and entrepreneurship a lot. This helped India to some extent. But demography, my man,continued to hold India back.Even the Indians here accepted that.

theenchanter:

The economic revolution of China actually had more impact in d economy renewal of China than the one-child policy (imo) cos they were already growing their economy than pop growth rate and still growing at an average of 7% till date! The more reason I'm still reiterating that "if India had liberalised its economy in d 70s instead of 90s, they would be better than they're today, not necessarily by implementing d one-child policy.

No,man. China liberalised its economy and came with the one child policy in the 70s and by the 90s the effects were there for all to see.That's about 20years. India started its economic liberalization in 1991 and minus a one child policy,and the country is still very poor compared to its mates. That's almost 30years after!

What made it work for China in 20years and work less for India in 30 years? Demography again. Smaller families when educated do well on average than large families with average education occasioned by family size.

theenchanter:

I don't know why people call India poor? India poverty rate is less than 5%, far below many african nation's poverty rate. THE AVERAGE INDIAN FAMILY IS NOT POOR.

Even the Indians know they are poor compared to several Asian and African countries.
And yes,5% extreme poverty is high for a country of India's status. Compare that to China's.

theenchanter:

but literacy is the bedrock of "proper" education, innit? U learn to read and write, u become a literate, u're educated... .. then u apply ur education to ur field, innit? Without literacy, there's no "proper" education.

But do you agree there can be literacy without proper education? A good educational system goes beyond literacy rate alone. I think this is a mistake many are just discovering in Nigeria. You can produce many graduates and people who can read but lack proper education. Such people are labelled functional illiterates. Zimbabwe's literacy rate is higher than Turkey's or about the same.What has Zimbabwe done with it? Look at the effects of Atatürk's reform of Turkey's education in the economy of Turkey.An education that does not encourage entrepreneurship and advance technology is just basic and not very useful. That's why having high literacy rate does not guarantee development. There are many instances.

theenchanter:

sure, in terms of per capita wealth and living standard, Sweden is doing better than Spain.

like seriously, I just put in d country that came into my head for that comparison cos of d pop diff.

Greying population is also a population crisis, just in an inverted manner. There's difference between "large population" and "overpopulation" which u call d population crisis.

Greying population is a problem but far less of a problem than over population.

Problemkid1:
This starving idiot is dumb. Only repeating the same thing. Do you have toilets in your shitthol country useless starving kiberan skeleton

Like a broken record. He ain't very smart.

vaxx:
Actually NOTHING indicate India was once richer than China. Such view is incorrect to reality, even when both country were empire.

Lol what r u , a indologist ?

if yes a might poor one at that , if no then better not make foolish claims like the following

NOTHING indicate India was once richer than China. Such view is incorrect to reality, even when both country were empire.

It seems u have a compulsive bias towards India , anyways none of my business , ur problem.

According to Western researchers India was the richest country from 1 AD onwards. Later India and China held the top position alternatively for different periods of time till 1700 , when India started its decline ,reaching its lowest position during British rule.

Google why India was termed as the GOLDEN BIRD by the Arabs and the Europeans.

Also Google why the Europeans mounted countless expeditions for the sole purpose of finding a trade route to India

Also Google why the natives of the new world ( Americas ) got named as Indians mistakenly.

Too much ado about Indians then don't u think , nobody seemed so excited about finding China then.

Ladies and gentlemen keep fighting

Telling otherwise seems to only encourage the fighting

See u all here in a month or 2

nemesis8u:


It useless commenting here but still.....

The Chinese opened up their economy in 1975 and completely by 1978 onwards.

India started in the 90s

Chinese due to their totalitarian system were able to enforce their policies with iron hand and purse it without any stops and interference both internal and external.

India due to its democratic system had many hits and misses due to bad governments getting elected time and again , reform policies could not be continued as expected and this held back the economy. Nothing to say about the internal and external interferences which added to the problems.

One cannot compare 2 countries whose government system is completely different . Does not do justice to either.

Any two kinds of governments can be compared. Effects of communism and capitalism have been compared ad nauseam using America and Russia. But I agree a bit with you on the point that China being an authoritarian one party system could more easily enforce policies than India with its pseudo democracy.

obaaderemi:
Any two kinds of governments can be compared. Effects of communism and capitalism have been compared ad nauseam using America and Russia. But I agree a bit with you on the point that China being an authoritarian one party system could more easily enforce policies than India with its pseudo democracy.

Almost all democracies r pseudo democracies

Only difference western democracies were build on the blood and sweat of Asians Africans and Latin Americans .

So they r in a developed state tainted with blood of innocents and ironically reaping the benefits and having fun . Well karma is a bitch and it does not forgive nor forget , time is the judge

And last but not the least Chinese CCP government for a change built it on the blood of their own citizens

Which do u prefer ?

forgiveness:


Only Federal government budget is 8.91 trillion naira. Now, if we add just two states budgets you will get the same sum of the whole budget of Kenya which is shared by 47 counties.

Lagos budget alone in 2018 was about $3bn.

nemesis8u:


Almost all democracies r pseudo democracies

Only difference western democracies were build on the blood and sweat of Asians Africans and Latin Americans .

So they r in a developed state tainted with blood of innocents and ironically reaping the benefits and having fun . Well karma is a bitch and it does not forgive nor forget , time is the judge

You are funny. Have yourself a good night.

obaaderemi:
Lagos budget alone in 2018 was about $3bn.

The guy doesn't know anything about system of government. Probably, they were taught only one in Kenya.

nemesis8u:


Almost all democracies r pseudo democracies

Only difference western democracies were build on the blood and sweat of Asians Africans and Latin Americans .

So they r in a developed state tainted with blood of innocents and ironically reaping the benefits and having fun . Well karma is a bitch and it does not forgive nor forget , time is the judge

And last but not the least Chinese CCP government for a change built it on the blood of their own citizens

Which do u prefer ?

Tiananmen Square comes to mind. The Chinese have been very ruthless over the decades in their pursuit of glory. But then many of us only see that glory not the ladder of bones that lead to it.

It's hard to answer but I can say I prefer India's approach but with the result of the Chinese.

forgiveness:


The guy doesn't know anything about system of government. Probably, they were taught only one in Kenya.

They think everyone uses the same size. Our style of government is different from theirs.Besides, they are paying more debt out of their budget than Nigeria. Again a third of their budget gets stolen every year and they don't seem to care.

obaaderemi:
Tianamen Square comes to mind. The Chinese have been very ruthless over the decades in their pursuit of glory. But then many of us only see that glory not the ladder of bones that lead to it.

It's hard to answer but I can say I prefer India's approach but with the result of the Chinese.

Seriously tainamen square ?

That was a picnic compared to what Mao and his CCP party did , they wiped out 45-60 million Chinese within 4 years starting from 1958 .

Even today if u r not a card carrying member of the CCP u r in a severe disadvantage , no jobs , risks of internment in political gulags for reeducation or maybe ur organs will be harvested if ur very unlucky.


Indian system with Chinese result ?

That's impossible

Universally everything has its concurrent advantages and disadvantages , one can't have the best of everything . We might delude ourselves into thinking it's possible but then we r obscurating realities knowingly or unknowingly

nemesis8u:


Lol what r u , a indologist ?

if yes a might poor one at that , if no then better not make foolish claims like the following



It seems u have a compulsive bias towards India , anyways none of my business , ur problem.

According to Western researchers India was the richest country from 1 AD onwards. Later India and China held the top position alternatively for different periods of time till 1700 , when India started its decline ,reaching its lowest position during British rule.

Google why India was termed as the GOLDEN BIRD by the Arabs and the Europeans.

Also Google why the Europeans mounted countless expeditions for the sole purpose of finding a trade route to India

Also Google why the natives of the new world ( Americas ) got named as Indians mistakenly.

Too much ado about Indians then don't u think , nobody seemed so excited about finding China then.

You really appear as indologist not me. At least you mention more about India and you seems to assumed I am not aware....

If western report is your factual point of information and not objective report, i must say I consider your indologist knowledge a disappointment.


You may need to know and learn eonomical history them..ming dynasty alone SHOULD tell you how economical viable was China and how important was she then to the global economy. And you may also need to factor time value of money. If ming empire is to be valued by today MONEY. How much will her Gdp worth?

And let me add more to your convolution of report against world history, There is is dynasty in China called Qing Dynasty . The empire was so rich that she has to paid the British Empire 21 million dollars and that was not an end, and during the series of colonial wars waged by the West like france, Russian Empire, along with Germany, Austria-Hungary, Japan, Italy even the United States to China, the Qing Emperor paid millions of dollar then. India will find this difficult to do.



mistaking and replacing information when not needed or request happens to be your favourite. Why do you live other info unanswered?

nemesis8u:


Seriously tainamen square ?

That was a picnic compared to what Mao and his CCP party did , they wiped out 45-60 million Chinese within 4 years starting from 1958 .

Even today if u r not a card carrying member of the CCP u r in a severe disadvantage , no jobs , risks of internment in political gulags for reeducation or maybe ur organs will be harvested if ur very unlucky.


Indian system with Chinese result ?

That's impossible

Universally everything has its concurrent advantages and disadvantages , one can't have the best of everything

Yeah, China's rise to preeminence is built on blood and bones. But what magnificent results! I don't think they could have achieved what they achieved without being authoritarian.
You could have watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLpGiHhr8E But if not,it's a great one.

obaaderemi:
They think everyone uses the same size. Our style of government is different from theirs.Besides, they are paying more debt out of their budget than Nigeria. Again a third of their budget gets stolen every year and they don't seem to care.

The reason I can't debate with them. Some of them lack understanding.

obaaderemi:
Like a broken record. He ain't very smart.

I dey tell you. Very boring kiberan

vaxx:
You really appear as indologist not me. At least you mention what you assumed I am not aware....

If western report is your factual point of information and not objective report, i must say I consider your indologist knolwedge a disappointment.


You may need to know and learn economical history them..ming dynasty alone SHOULD tell you how economical viable was China and how important was she them to the global economy.

And let me add more to your convolution of report against world history, There is is dynasty in China called Qing Dynasty . The empire was so rich that she has tob paid the British Empire 21 million dollars and that was not not an end, and during the series of colonial wars waged by the West, there was France, Russian Empire, along with Germany, Austria-Hungary, Japan, Italy even the United States to China, the Qing Emperor paid millions of dollar then. India will find this difficult to do.



mistaking and replacing information when not needed or request happens to be your favourite. Why do you live other info unanswered?

No offence but I don't give a rat's ass about what u or anybody for the matter thinks of me . Neither should u . It's stressful

Reality check knock knock big wide internet full of everybody and nobody

I will indulge u for the last time since I remember it from news reports.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2015/11/13/a-one-trillion-dollar-hidden-treasure-chamber-is-discovered-at-indias-sree-padmanabhaswam-temple/amp/

And it u have any misgivings regarding the above , pls don't ask me , ask Forbes or ask Google baba.

Actually I don't have any interest to gallivant across the www looking for info for u , I am sure u can do the hard work instead of me or better still believe what u believe steadfastly with iron clad conviction. Amen to that

I am cool with either and it was nice knowing u electronically , thank u and good bye for ever electronically .

nemesis8u:


No offence but I give a rat's ass about what u or anybody for the matter thinks of me .

Reality check knock knock big wide internet full of everybody and nobody

I will indulge u for the last time since I remember it from news reports.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2015/11/13/a-one-trillion-dollar-hidden-treasure-chamber-is-discovered-at-indias-sree-padmanabhaswam-temple/amp/

And it u have any misgivings regarding the above , pls don't ask me , ask Forbes or ask Google baba.

Actually I don't have any interest to gallivant across the www looking for info for u , I am sure u can do the hard work instead of me or better still believe what u believe steadfastly with iron clad conviction. Amen to that

I am cool with either and it was nice knowing u electronically , thank u and good bye for ever electronically .

oh ghad, what a waste of effort. You write so much but with silent pain and hatred. You could have just left without saying goodbye. That is brute. The internet will definitely broadcast your message some day back to you unless you stop your connection to cyber space. Your goodbye actually mean you are welcome back again.

Maybe my words are needed to be translated in Hindu for an Hindustan like you.


when seeking factual information, polarity and subjectivity is the least. Rational minded and objectivity count.

When you read this in your next search button, hopefully, it will trigger you .

Lionessza6:


Hi, longtime. I see Y'all are still at it lol. The last exchange I had with Kenyans didn't even reach a full page , so I wouldn't call it a war . And I seriously don't remember your contribution in it , so can you please remind me of the epic conclusion you brought to the discussion . I don't hold grudges , as long as I get to witness my opponent bleeding heavily, tomorrow we can both nurse our wounds over a bottle a South African made wine .

It went on for quite a few pages urged on by a certain Nigerian kwerekwere by the name runalong or sth. If you've forgotten it might be a sign that you havent fully recovered from PTSD . Kidding I was very much in it tho, ofcourse I never liked it. Generally the only people one feels little to no remorse attacking are Nigerians because, of course, they are uncivilized savages. Dont you think? Peace ! And yes we can do some SA wine