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Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Oyinlomobambam(m): 11:30pm On Jun 19, 2019
9ja my country
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 11:34pm On Jun 19, 2019
Buckubuck:

Must you be daft? So because amaechi is not looting, Nigeria should pay more for projects. Where then is the competence?
You sound naive if you think there's only one way to get kickbacks. Ganduje did not receive transfers. He received hard dollars straight into his babanriga pockets. Go figure!!




1. It is idiotic and silly to conclude or insinuate that we paid more than required for the project without providing documented and verifiable details to base your ignorant and baseless conclusion on. This is what shallow and low intellect people do, they jump like bingo without facts.


2. Incompetence is OBJ and GEJ overbudgeting for the same project 13 years ago, competence is Amaechi renegotiating the contract and saved $800 million.

Amaechi's competence is the reason why we did not pay almost a billion dollars more for the project.

Again, you have nothing to offer beyond ignorance, shallow and unintelligent talk

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Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 11:49pm On Jun 19, 2019
The contract was awarded by the regime of former President Goodluck Jonathan for $11.917bn. When we took over at the ministry, we renegotiated with the CCECC and we succeeded in reducing the contract sum from $11.917bn to $11.117bn and we are able to save $800m after the renegotiation,” he had explained.

https://www.marketdigestng.com/news/new-n458bn-lagos-ibadan-rail-project-commences-february/


Ameachi actually made sure we pay $800 million less than what OBJ and GEJ agreed to pay for the same project

Amaechi not only paid less for the same project, but he also started and set to complete the same project that was abandoned 13 years ago in less than 3 years.

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Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Glycosunde: 12:59am On Jun 20, 2019
Let's call white colour white and black colour black and stop colour shading to suit our taste. How can we defend the same people that are killing us and yet we pray for a better Nigeria

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Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by gare(f): 3:05am On Jun 20, 2019
deomelo:



The Lagos Ibadan railway was negotiated by the previous administrations from OBJ to GEJ to cost more than $800 million, but Amaechi renegotiated the cost to save us $800 million.

What the OP exposed is the fact that Amaechi saved Nigeria almost a billion dollars, so, that $800 million obviously was put to better use to benefit Nigerians.

The $2.3 billion GEJ stole and gave to Dasuki/ATM to share with the likes of FFK/Fayose, Metuh and others is enough to build 2 Lagos Ibadan railway, these are the real issues me real facts the average Nigerian don't talk about, but they will do anything to latch on to worthlessness gossips and rumors.

If you can't defend what the OP wrote with facts just shut and look for something useful to do with your data

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Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 3:16am On Jun 20, 2019
gare:


If you can't defend what the OP wrote with facts just shut and look for something useful to do with your data



How exactly do you defend factless, baseless and illogical rubbish? Is the burden not on the person doing the faceless and baseless comparison to back up their rubbish with facts?


I think you've been walking on your brain all day. Keep quiet if you have nothing intelligent to talk about.

Shallow info consumer
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Afonja007: 4:13am On Jun 20, 2019
9jaArea:
Why didn't you go on and dropped the complete specs of both projects so we can make comparisons?

This is the same way y'all glorified an inferior Ghana airport, until it turned to a river after a downpour.
oga Ghana is ahead of Nigeria in terms organization ,are there not more than 150000 Nigerian students in Ghana?how many of Ghanaian students are in Nigeria?
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by 24SEVEN: 6:25am On Jun 20, 2019
Buckubuck:

Must you be daft? So because amaechi is not looting, Nigeria should pay more for projects. Where then is the competence?
You sound naive if you think there's only one way to get kickbacks. Ganduje did not receive transfers. He received hard dollars straight into his babanriga pockets. Go figure!!

So basically you are insinuating that since Nigerias own rail project is more expensive, Ameachi must have received kickbacks. I hope you know it's very irresponsible to make such baseless claims if you don't hve clear proof.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Nobody: 7:05am On Jun 20, 2019
24SEVEN:


So basically you are insinuating that since Nigerias own rail project is more expensive, Ameachi must have received kickbacks. I hope you know it's very irresponsible to make such baseless claims if you don't hve clear proof.
Don't just jump into the middle of a conversation. That said, Amaechi has the antecedent of abandoning white elephant projects like he did for the monorail. He also paid 33bn for 2km out of 50bn for 12km. Besides there's a white paper on his corrupt activities as governor in the public domain. Go figure!!
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by engineerboat(m): 7:13am On Jun 20, 2019
deomelo:
Blogger Blogger. This is how you feed Nigerians with half-baked rubbish and baseless accusations and insinuations.

....but of course, you know the average Nigerian is dumb, gullible, low intellect with zero appetite for intellectual reasonings, they love tabloid stories, gossips and rumors.

You people so more damage than good.

Your doing more damage than good.

Bring forth the truth situational account and let compare
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Nobody: 7:13am On Jun 20, 2019
deomelo:





1. It is idiotic and silly to conclude or insinuate that we paid more than required for the project without providing documented and verifiable details to base your ignorant and baseless conclusion on. This is what shallow and low intellect people do, they jump like bingo without facts.


2. Incompetence is OBJ and GEJ overbudgeting for the same project 13 years ago, competence is Amaechi renegotiating the contract and saved $800 million.

Amaechi's competence is the reason why we did not pay almost a billion dollars more for the project.

Again, you have nothing to offer beyond ignorance, shallow and unintelligent talk
1. It is obvious Nigerian projects be it road or rail usually have the highest cost per km. So, you as a citizen should be sceptical when this kind of information comes out. If you however feel a need to defend the actors, you should come with superior facts and stop arguing based on innuendoes.

2. By your arguments, one can also call you idiotic and silly for accusing OBJ and GEJ of inflating the cost of the rail during their time since you have not shown any evidence that the specifications, details and other parts of the contract are not known to you. It is also possible that OBJ and GEJ's contracts had better specification than Amaechi's

3. Amaechi from the story has a history of inflating and abandoning projects as we can see from the monorail. So there's a moral burden on him to prove he's not on the same route once again
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by engineerboat(m): 7:14am On Jun 20, 2019
deomelo:




How exactly do you defend factless, baseless and illogical rubbish? Is the burden not on the person doing the faceless and baseless comparison to back up their rubbish with facts?


I think you've been walking on your brain all day. Keep quiet if you have nothing intelligent to talk about.

Shallow info consumer

This are facts that is looking at us bare face.

How far on Lagos Ibadan rail.

Going nowhere completion


pH Monorail going nowhere except to Daura skyscraper rail journey
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Nobody: 7:32am On Jun 20, 2019
deomelo:




This is so sad and disheartening, it's a total abdication of responsibilities and irresponsible act ever.

So, the ci=urrent governor refused to finish a major project started by his predecessor and the public funds already spent most go to waste just because the project was started by your predecessor.

It's like Ambode refusing to continue with or fund the Lagos Metro rail because it cost too much or because it was started by Fashola.

I'd understand if as the 2nd richest state in Nigeria he instead started other major and groundbreaking projects like Amaechi, but so far, nothing major, just mediocre and visionless rubbish.

Very sad.


Sometimes one wonders if this moniker is a sensible being. Defending trash with super dumb argument.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 8:50am On Jun 20, 2019
engineerboat:


Your doing more damage than good.

Bring forth the truth situational account and let compare


You mean I should source for info to help you prove your rubbish with?

Shouldn't you have sourced your info first before starting a thread to make bogus, flawed, irrational and illogical comparisons?

Keep quiet if you have nothing better to say.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 8:54am On Jun 20, 2019
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Amitez:

Sometimes one wonders if this moniker is a sensible being. Defending trash with super dumb argument.
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Sadly for you, Amaechi delivered more projects as the governor of Rivers than the whole of SS and SE combined since 1999, but of course, you are too dumb to know that especially since abandoning projects started by predecessors is a wonderful idea to you.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by 24SEVEN: 8:55am On Jun 20, 2019
Buckubuck:

Don't just jump into the middle of a conversation. That said, Amaechi has the antecedent of abandoning white elephant projects like he did for the monorail. He also paid 33bn for 2km out of 50bn for 12km. Besides there's a white paper on his corrupt activities as governor in the public domain. Go figure!!

On the Rivers monorail project, I wnt you to know that government is a continuum, as such Wike was within the limit to complete such an outstanding project. But Wike, an individual notorious for petty vindictiveness opted against it, to the detriment of Rivers. Other examples include the Banana plantation, fish farms and scraping of RSSDA. Not to mention TimaRiv and the sacked Ken-Poly lecturers. Had to mention all these to let you know I'm grounded in Rivers.


On the issue of white paper that indicted Amaechi, I oblige you to make same available on this platform for all to see his indictment or forever be know as a Big Fat Liar!!!

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Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 8:56am On Jun 20, 2019
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engineerboat:


This are facts that is looking at us bare face.

How far on Lagos Ibadan rail.

Going nowhere completion


pH Monorail going nowhere except to Daura skyscraper rail journey
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Ignorant and unintelligent rubbish.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by engineerboat(m): 8:58am On Jun 20, 2019
deomelo:



You mean I should source for info to help you prove your rubbish with?

Shouldn't you have sourced your info first before starting a thread to make bogus, flawed, irrational and illogical comparisons?

Keep quiet if you have nothing better to say.



As usual noise and ranting


The evidence had been laid down by the hope.

But you said its false.

Provide your true story of get out of my mention.

If you dont have any meaningful true report of yours, stop ranting on this thread
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 9:15am On Jun 20, 2019
24SEVEN:


On the Rivers monorail project, I wnt you to know that government is a continuum, as such Wike was within the limit to complete such an outstanding project. But Wike, an individual notorious for petty vindictiveness opted against it, to the detriment of Rivers. Other examples include the Banana plantation, fish farms and scraping of RSSDA. Not to mention TimaRiv and the sacked Ken-Poly lecturers. Had to mention all these to let you know I'm grounded in Rivers.


On the issue of white paper that indicted Amaechi, I oblige you to make same available on this platform for all to see his indictment or forever be know as a Big Fat Liar!!!


When petty governors come with pettiness and grudges against their predecessors, they get sidetracked and distracted, they spend all their time fighting their predecessors, they abandon their predecessors.

When he abandoned that project, the useless man let billions and a wonderful project go to waste.

Ameachi commissioned the best schools in Nigeria, hundreds of health centers, bridges, the best and the only functioning sports complex in Nigeria just to name a few, but what is Wike doing? Nothing, just mediocre rubbish all over the place.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by deomelo: 9:18am On Jun 20, 2019
engineerboat:


As usual noise and ranting


The evidence had been laid down by the hope.

But you said its false.

Provide your true story of get out of my mention.

If you dont have any meaningful true report of yours, stop ranting on this thread


lol @ evidence? Do you even know the meaning of evidence?


Apart from the fact that you are ignorant and unintelligent, you are also a lousy comedian.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by JOTE(m): 9:26am On Jun 20, 2019
AutoJoshNG:

Since the Lagos-Ibadan railway project is roughly one-third shorter, without any significant differences in gauge-type, power source or terrain, many wondered how Ghana got a better deal with the Chinese.




everybody knows that this is a norm in naija

we already knows that their so-called $2bn is around $1.2bn to 1.5bn
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Nobody: 9:35am On Jun 20, 2019
24SEVEN:


On the Rivers monorail project, I wnt you to know that government is a continuum, as such Wike was within the limit to complete such an outstanding project. But Wike, an individual notorious for petty vindictiveness opted against it, to the detriment of Rivers. Other examples include the Banana plantation, fish farms and scraping of RSSDA. Not to mention TimaRiv and the sacked Ken-Poly lecturers. Had to mention all these to let you know I'm grounded in Rivers.


On the issue of white paper that indicted Amaechi, I oblige you to make same available on this platform for all to see his indictment or forever be know as a Big Fat Liar!!!
Since you're Amaechi's apologist, it would have done you a world of good to be abreast of issues that have to do with him. If you're not aware of the commission of inquiry that indicted Amaechi, then you're incompetent as an apologist and deserve to be fired. Read back on this thread and see the nation's report on the monorail before you start spewing lunacy.
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by engineerboat(m): 9:39am On Jun 20, 2019
24SEVEN:


On the Rivers monorail project, I wnt you to know that government is a continuum, as such Wike was within the limit to complete such an outstanding project. But Wike, an individual notorious for petty vindictiveness opted against it, to the detriment of Rivers. Other examples include the Banana plantation, fish farms and scraping of RSSDA. Not to mention TimaRiv and the sacked Ken-Poly lecturers. Had to mention all these to let you know I'm grounded in Rivers.


On the issue of white paper that indicted Amaechi, I oblige you to make same available on this platform for all to see his indictment or forever be know as a Big Fat Liar!!!

Get in right here.

https://www.nairaland.com/3743892/white-paper-indicted-amaechi-embezzling
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Nobody: 4:02pm On Jun 20, 2019
engineerboat:


Get in right here.

https://www.nairaland.com/3743892/white-paper-indicted-amaechi-embezzling
Bro, you should not have honoured him with dat. Since he's playing the ostrich, we should help him dig the sand deeper
Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by Intellectual201: 8:04pm On Jun 20, 2019
This railway standard gauge project was started by pdp and I know how much was saved by this current govt through the renegotiation of the loan agreement. So people should take a chill pill.
AutoJoshNG:
Chibuike Rotimi Amaechi, the former Governor of River state and Minister of Transportation in the last dispensation, is one man that courts controversies effortlessly.

The former Minister is also famous for declaring publicly that he has never accepted a bribe, and that he would not be tempted, much less yield, because he does not like money.

In the recently dissolved cabinet of President Mohammadu Buhari, Rotimi Amaechi was one of the most active and outstanding ministers.



In the last 4 years, he was constantly in the news on account of several railway reconstructions and expansion projects around the country.

Rotimi Amaechi, during his stint as the governor of River state and as the Minister of transportation, had been the focus of several controversies.

Interestingly, some of the biggest controversies involving him centred on the cost of railway construction projects.

Autojosh highlights 2 of the controversial railway projects that Rotimi Amaechi has been embroiled in.


The Port Harcourt Monorail Project



Rotimi Amaechi conceived the idea of the Port Harcourt Monorail project in 2008 during his first term as governor of River state.

The project was intended for mass transportation within the Port Harcourt metropolis.

While announcing the monorail project, Amaechi said it would be the first of its kind in West Africa.

Two companies bided for the contract: Urbanord, an American company and TSI, a local company owned by a one-time military administrator of Rivers State, Colonel Anthony Ukpo.

The foreign firm bided N25 billion to complete the Phase 1 which was a 12-kilometre distance in the design, while TSI quoted N50billion for the same distance. Amaechi opted for the indigenous firm.

However, this decision did not get the buy-ins of Amaechi’s cabinet.

When it became hard to get the endorsement of his cabinet members, he allegedly dissolved the cabinet to have his way and later reconstituted it after the contract award.

This accounting is according to a submission by the Director, Safety and Aviation, Engineer Says Antioch of the State Ministry of Transportation before Justice George Omwreji-led Judicial Commission of Inquiry on the Sale of Assets of the state by former Governor Amaechi.

The contract for the construction of the Port Harcourt monorail was designed to cover 12 kilometres at the cost of N50 billion.



The first phase of the project was to cover Aggrey road through Station road- Azikiwe road-Aba road to Water lines junction.

In 2015, at the completion of Ameachi’s second term in office, the project had already been abandoned.

Sources said the work already done at the point of abandonment covered only 2.6kilometers. At that point, it had already gulped N33.9billion.

Many considered that spending as much as 33.9 billion on a 2.6-kilometre railway project was outrageous.

There had also been allegations that the cost of the project, compared with similar projects in other states, was suspicious.

Since Amaechi left office, the project has remained abandoned, as the current government, led by Governor Nyesom Wike, has distanced himself from the project.


Lagos-Ibadan railway



In April 2017, the Federal Government announced that it had begun the construction of the Lagos-Ibadan standard gauge railway line.

The Goodluck Jonathan-led government originally contracted the project for nearly $1.5 billion.

However, the Buhari administration – under the supervision of the Rotimi Amaechi-led Ministry of Transportation – rewrote and renegotiated the contract with the Chinese construction firm handling the project, China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC).

Multiple news reports said while the 156-km Lagos-Ibadan railway line is estimated to cost $2b.

The Line will run from Iddo in Lagos to Ibadan in Oyo State, passing through Abeokuta in Ogun State. It will also have an extension to the Apapa Ports Complex.



However, in May this year, a news report published by a Ghanaian news media revealed the cost of a similar railway construction project in Ghana.

In the report, Ghana locked down its own standard gauge deal with another Chinese firm, which would also include the building of two terminals in addition to plans to establish local hubs to build locomotive coaches.

The Ghanaian railway line, which will run on a 340km track, will cost Ghana $2.2 billion.

The reports suggested that the Lagos-Ibadan railway project may have been significantly inflated considering the cost per distance of the two projects.

Since the Lagos-Ibadan railway project is roughly one-third shorter, without any significant differences in gauge-type, power source or terrain, many wondered how Ghana got a better deal with the Chinese.



https://autojosh.com/rotimi-ameachi-and-the-2-controversial-rail-projects/

Re: Rotimi Amaechi And The 2 Controversial Rail Projects by sulaak(m): 4:59pm On Jun 29, 2019
duni04:
I'm an old member of NL and haven't posted in a while but this thread has forced me to say something today. I'm disgusted and irritated by the audacity of the OP of this thread to post blatantly false information all over this article. To write that Amaechi awarded the PH rail contract to a firm with a higher bid is a blatant lie. To write that Amaechi abandoned the PH monorail before his administration ended is another blatant lie. To write that he dissolved his cabinet just so he could award an inflated contract is another audacious and daring lie. To write that Ghana awarded a similar project at a lower cost is another blatant lie. The first thing wike said when he became governor in 2015 was that he wouldn't pump any more money into the monorail and he woud abandon it. I remember contributing to the thread on that topic in 2015 and blasting Wike.
Ghanians were even in Nigeria last quarter to monitor progress on the Lagos ibadan link as they're using the same contractor as we are. The part that autojosh saw as a headline for the ghanians was a section of the rail which would obviously be cheaper, not the entire length as in Lagos to Ibadan.
Autojosh should better take this smelling nonsense article full of lies off his blog before someone calls the attention of Amaechi to it. Amaechi doesn't take nonsense from people. He will see this article and sue you to court. Nairaland mods should also beware as you're also liable.

We are waiting for him to sue.

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