Ikpongiton:
good to hear this. but ,what have you invented?

School is meant for students to be educated, I'm not done with my msc but I wanna do a dissertation in Geobia: geographic object based image analysis; a case study of Anambra state , modelling of erosion sites that require immediate action.

Does Nigerian government take recommendation or encourage invention? That's not my fault

Castroii:

At the bolded, he learns after person don die abi...... he learns from his mistake indeed

that's why they say doctors bury their mistakes while the mistakes of engineers bury them.

rexbuton:
Officially, Medical Doctors starting on level 12 is due to the difficulty of their profession and the number of years to study medicine. IMO the major reason is due to the bargaining/blackmailing power of their labour union, the NMA.

Has nothing to do with this. Every course has difficulties ro graduate from. Some courses are tedious more than medicine and surgery. Moat times medicine is about rotleaening and cramming. Have you not seen a medical doctor thag after you Complain to him or her and they take our their medical books to study for your complaints. Expertise of a doc is based on experience and learning on the job. It is simply because of the sensitivity of the profession and contribution to the country economy and also in saving lives. And they are treated as such all over the world. Every govt understands that any doctor whom your life depends on must be well taken care of and well fed. Or do you think they don't know that other professions are not underpaid?

kenex4ever:
I know COREN holder dat was given level 9 not because of COREN but because of years of experience, I have also seen a PhD holder day was given level 8 recently too.

terrible,!!

Castroii:

At the bolded, he learns after person don die abi...... he learns from his mistake indeed

Bros na true.
A doctor learn from his mistake while an engineer dies from his mistake. Natural.

It generally has to do with how the 2 professional bodies tend to protect the interest for their members.
For example while doctors see themselves as having right to be above every worker (this is mainly in Nigeria) they feel it's their birthright to be ministers of health, commissioners of health in every state and even aspire to lead midwifery council of Nigeria.
They are aggressive in pushing boundaries of their rights many times even going too far.
Every doctor is fixed to a particular hospital for their housemanship and every practical training; all of which come with a good pay. So most of those previlleges were demanded by their union from the government and every other employer, and they got it.

On the other hand NSE and COREN don't make any concrete effort to better welfare of engineers in Nigeria.
Many talk of lack of competence, which is true, but how can you be competent when you are not given any opportunity to have first hand engineering experience right from undergrad days.
They could start making sure there are provisions to train engineers with practical knowledge, let every engineering student have two years mandatory on the job training in his field. Example as a Chemical Engineer you spend 2years at Dangote Cement Plant, you will never be a clueless engineer.
then NSE could be demanding better welfare for engineers in such fields.

Because they are Doctors!
And what they hold is mbbs......beat that!

Ninethmare:
I was going through the Nigeria Prison Entry Level for graduate and I noticed that those with M.B.B.S or Doctors are automatically on Level 12 immediately they are recruited.

Other medical courses are giving more preference in Level than others

Considering the years it will take for someone on grade 08 to reach grade 12 in Federal Government Job you will know that it's quite not fair

But what confused me was Almighty Engineering courses were placed on level 08

It's quite disheartening that we that studied Engineering for 5yrs, solved all those mathematics and spent so much are placed with other courses who studied 4yrs on the same entry level which is level 8 in Federal Jobs

Please I need your taking on this

Why is M.B.B.S placed so high and Engineering not given preference?

faheez:

Go back to ur university to collect ur tuition fee.

I can challenge you that I am a better engineer than you are if you are one. The critical truth is bitter to your types. You read engineering insult.

Not correct, Engineers start with Level 09, you get automatic promotion to Level 12 once you get your COREN.

NB: You're not an engineer until you become COREN registered.

themosthigh:
Lol. They are doctors are smarter, have more training and years of experience than most. Have no opportunity to steal and do chuwa chuwa like other people. Most of them start well but will remain poor while others get rich off corruption etc

The little you know about them. Aside their medical profession, they no next to nothing. ICT zero. I relate with an average 10 Drs in a day.

medical laboratory science was placed on what level?

Ninethmare:
I was going through the Nigeria Prison Entry Level for graduate and I noticed that those with M.B.B.S or Doctors are automatically on Level 12 immediately they are recruited.

Other medical courses are giving more preference in Level than others

Considering the years it will take for someone on grade 08 to reach grade 12 in Federal Government Job you will know that it's quite not fair

But what confused me was Almighty Engineering courses were placed on level 08

It's quite disheartening that we that studied Engineering for 5yrs, solved all those mathematics and spent so much are placed with other courses who studied 4yrs on the same entry level which is level 8 in Federal Jobs

Please I need your taking on this

Why is M.B.B.S placed so high and Engineering not given preference?

Its now 9 for engine guys. Coren fought that battle last yr. They spent 7, you spent 5. That's why they are ahead of you

Ninethmare:


Considering the years it will take for someone on grade 08 to reach grade 12 in Federal Government Job you will know that it's quite not fair

But what confused me was Almighty Engineering courses were placed on level 08.

I think they are saying, M.B.B.S and Doctors are mightier than "Almighty Engineering" by a whole 4 levels.

Or, aren't they?

rexbuton:
Officially, Medical Doctors starting on level 12 is due to the difficulty of their profession and the number of years to study medicine. IMO the major reason is due to the bargaining/blackmailing power of their labour union, the NMA.

You're so right, it's the power of NMA. NMA is very strong and influential.

Anfieldboss:
Not correct, Engineers start with Level 09, you get automatic promotion to Level 12 once you get your COREN.

NB: You're not an engineer until you become COREN registered.

still unfair..u know wetin u go spend before u get COREN

chrisxxx:
I can tell you why. For your information I am an engineer.
A doctor is readily relevant in the Nigerian society once he is qualified. He gets into the field with less supervision even when we know sometimes he learns from his mistake.
An average Nigerian engineer has no ready contribution. You are only being employed to assist you. You cant design anything. You cant troubleshoot. You cant contribute to anything meaningful. They dont see you as a professional. A Nigerian engineer is almost useless. If you think you can solve maths, who maths elp? Others read Maths/Computer they may even solve it better.

Sorry, the writing looks eloquent but it is what it it Trash.
Thanks to the Nigerian system, the president has a personal doctor, if issues arises related to the profession his colleagues forward such to the personal physician of the president who gives a listening ear.

Lawyers: The president has his personal lawyers too, same listening ear like the physician, and influence.

Engineer: Now those the president have one, No, because if he would need a civil, mechanical, electrical, structural engineers and there is no needs for day to day meet ups like the physician or lawyer.

Lecture and teachers: Applicable like the engineers but worse off the career chain.

I guess my oral explanation would have been more convincing.
Cheers...........................

chrisxxx:
I can tell you why. For your information I am an engineer.
A doctor is readily relevant in the Nigerian society once he is qualified. He gets into the field with less supervision even when we know sometimes he learns from his mistake.
An average Nigerian engineer has no ready contribution. You are only being employed to assist you. You cant design anything. You cant troubleshoot. You cant contribute to anything meaningful. They dont see you as a professional. A Nigerian engineer is almost useless. If you think you can solve maths, who maths elp? Others read Maths/Computer they may even solve it better.

Wonderful statements from an engineer.
It must have been hard for your lecturers to impact knowledge on you.
It must be a waste of time and effort to have even studied such and to have graduated.
Please which of the engineering divisions do you belong to?

Ninethmare:
I was going through the Nigeria Prison Entry Level for graduate and I noticed that those with M.B.B.S or Doctors are automatically on Level 12 immediately they are recruited.

Other medical courses are giving more preference in Level than others

Considering the years it will take for someone on grade 08 to reach grade 12 in Federal Government Job you will know that it's quite not fair

But what confused me was Almighty Engineering courses were placed on level 08

It's quite disheartening that we that studied Engineering for 5yrs, solved all those mathematics and spent so much are placed with other courses who studied 4yrs on the same entry level which is level 8 in Federal Jobs

Please I need your taking on this

Why is M.B.B.S placed so high and Engineering not given preference?

welcome to 3rd world country that will never witness a technology revolution, reason why they despise engineering and technology

The approved Entry Level for Engineers is currently GL09 Step 03 and for a COREN Registered Engr you will surely enter on GL 12 if such vacancy is open for application.

You cannot afford me and it’s not pride. Really, you cannot ‘pay off’ or ‘afford’ any healthcare worker. Anyone who deals with lifesaving. Because again, how much is your life worth?

Are you paying for the nights I spent studying?

Or for those nights I cried when a patient died or had a nasty complication?

Or is for the nights I spent sleeping in theatre?

Or for the leave I didn’t go for for 6years?

Is it the price of my exam fees?

What exactly?

Anfieldboss:
Not correct, Engineers start with Level 09, you get automatic promotion to Level 12 once you get your COREN.

NB: You're not an engineer until you become COREN registered.

COREN seems to be the problem of engineering in Nigeria. They are so incompetent and invincible, their impact is just zero!

bixton:



Wonderful statements from an engineer.
It must have been hard for your lecturers to impact knowledge on you.
It must be a waste of time and effort to have even studied such and to have graduated.
Please which of the engineering divisions do you belong to?

This is why we have remained where we are. We hate the truth and we don't read. We don't reason. If you have observed very well, you would have seen that I said the 'Average Engineer'. This means it does not apply in all the cases. But people like you put insult before reasoning. I can forward to you my work completions. I meet a lot of guys who claimed to be engineers. They know calculus but how is this relevant to the Nigerian society?

ornicus:


I thought I'd seen the last of these engineering is on same level as medicine wailers. Engineering is 5 years before NYSC. Medicine is 6 years minimum (I know fellas who have repeated multiple times) after which two years of houseman ship then NYSC. So the doctor actually spends three more years in school.

Medicine is far more rigourus than engineering especially in Nigeria where engineering dubs it best is a popular catch phrase.

In every western nation, doctors are the highest paid salaried employees. This even applies in the middle east with migrant workers.

I suggest you stop wailing about something you do not have the stones to go through with. Amazing that educated Nigerians are jealous of people charged with keeping them healthy.

Oga Doctor leave that thing.
A Diploma COHENS worker earns more than a B. Eng. Holder. Did they also spend 8years studying?
While nobody is arguing Doctors and all other health workers shall be well paid the difference between them and other professions especially Engineering is simply ridiculous.

In my state an entry level engineer is paid 38k, diploma holder nurse 90k, a diploma in environmental health from school of hygiene 58k... now where is the fairness in that?

babyfaceafrica:
still unfair..u know wetin u go spend before u get COREN

Yeah you're right on that, personally I spent about 300k to get mine (i.e both NSE and COREN)

Longluk:
You cannot afford me and it’s not pride. Really, you cannot ‘pay off’ or ‘afford’ any healthcare worker. Anyone who deals with lifesaving. Because again, how much is your life worth?

Are you paying for the nights I spent studying?

Or for those nights I cried when a patient died or had a nasty complication?

Or is for the nights I spent sleeping in theatre?

Or for the leave I didn’t go for for 6years?

Is it the price of my exam fees?

What exactly?

without engineering and technology, medical profession is as good as a dead corpse; who made the tetescope, the test tubes, the thermometer, the BP apparatus, the equipments you use to carry out diagnosis and operations

Its just that Nigeria is a messed nation with zero engineering innovation and contribution, because in more advanced nations, some engineering courses get more respect and pay than medical practitioners like docs.

Have you heard of biomedical engineering Robotics, etc

With the new 5G internet network now, you can perform any medical operation from even another continent without being there physically, who made it possible Engineering and technology!!!

For your info, research is on going to bring new innovation into medical practice that will create artificial doctors using AI and other high tech engineering and technology innovations, and if this breaks through, lots of doctors will be rendered jobless by engineering and technology.

All these macho amd superior formings by doctors happen mostly in Nigeria and 3rd world nations.

themosthigh:
Lol. They are doctors are smarter, have more training and years of experience than most. Have no opportunity to steal and do chuwa chuwa like other people. Most of them start well but will remain poor while others get rich off corruption etc

So you mean Doctors are smarter than Engineer's? Thats so wrong.

The reason Drs get that special treatment is that they take off as fresh graduates but already experienced and professionally certified while engineers need 4 years to get professional certification.

franchasng:
COREN seems to be the problem of engineering in Nigeria. They are so incompetent and invincible, their impact is just zero!

COREN is not a trade union but a regulatory body. You should throw your grievances to NSE. They should be the one fighting for engineers, instead all they are concerned about is going for conferences where they can share money. I have made up my mind not to pay a dime as dues to NSE, because I don't see how I am benefiting from them.

Anfieldboss:


COREN is not a trade union but a regulatory body. You should throw your grievances to NSE. They should be the one fighting for engineers, instead all they are concerned about is going for conferences where they can share money. I have made up my mind not to pay a dime as dues to NSE, because I don't see how I am benefiting from them.

my brother I wanted to type NSE (Nigerian Society of Engineers) not COREN, my bad jareh

henrygale:
Because they are Doctors!
And what they hold is mbbs......beat that!

Nothing special in MBBS any engineering graduate with a 2.1 could study medicine successfully.

EazyMoh:

Oga Doctor leave that thing.
A Diploma COHENS worker earns more than a B. Eng. Holder. Did they also spend 8years studying?
While nobody is arguing Doctors and all other health workers shall be well paid the difference between them and other professions especially Engineering is simply ridiculous.

In my state an entry level engineer is paid 38k, diploma holder nurse 90k, a diploma in environmental health from school of hygiene 58k... now where is the fairness in that?

You started with doctors, now you are extending to other medical professionals?

FYI I am an engineer. instead of all this whining, find your way to the private sector, to a section where engineers are highly paid.

Will doctors be highly paid in the telecoms sector? Or energy? Or manufacturing?

Find your way to an industry where you are in demand.in federal and state govts, health is considered more important than public works.

Today ebola may be back. Those doctors you are whining about, those underpaid overworked fellows will be all that stands between you and a plague of religious proportions.show some respect.

chrisxxx:
I can tell you why. For your information I am an engineer.
A doctor is readily relevant in the Nigerian society once he is qualified. He gets into the field with less supervision even when we know sometimes he learns from his mistake.
An average Nigerian engineer has no ready contribution. You are only being employed to assist you. You cant design anything. You cant troubleshoot. You cant contribute to anything meaningful. They dont see you as a professional. A Nigerian engineer is almost useless. If you think you can solve maths, who maths elp? Others read Maths/Computer they may even solve it better.

3 like for you!

chrisxxx:

This is why we have remained where we are. We hate the truth and we don't read. We don't reason. If you have observed very well, you would have seen that I said the 'Average Engineer'. This means it does not apply in all the cases. But people like you put insult before reasoning. I can forward to you my work completions. I meet a lot of guys who claimed to be engineers. They know calculus but how is this relevant to the Nigerian society?

"Average Engineer" indeed.
Have you ever heard of the word "Average Doctors", or is it every doctor that's a doctor even with all the housemanship and training they go through.

Every profession has got people who have gone through it all and have nothing to offer, so it's not peculiar to the Engineering profession.