IKON360:
Alright thanks guys, I thought that it was more sensible to pick an enemy's weapon when yours was done. Cos it looked unreasonable, a soldier is sometimes as alive as the ammo he has. If the ammo for a an M4 was done, I thought the reasonable thing to do is pick an AK and live. But then you see them get so hopeless. I know it's movie sha but the thing is annoying. Thanks

KoiceReloaded:


In war situations, soldiers are advised not to pick up enemy combatant weaponry but not for the reasons you gave. Soldiers are trained to go for miles hauling dead weights, so ferrying around an extra weight shouldn't be an issue. Also, they're trained to be proficient in handling all sorts of fire arms, esp the mainstream kind. They're soldiers for crying out loud. Handling fire arms is a major part of their job description.

Booby trapping is the main reason soldiers are adviced to resist the urge to pick up enemy combatant fire arms. Apparently, it was a common nazi practice during WW2 to booby trap their guns for the allies to stumble upon. The allies eventually caught on and stop picking up foreign guns on the battlefield.

mekaprime:


The bolded was insightful. But my point on weight, is the overall effect additional weight would have/has on solders performance. So basically, it not how much a solder can carry but how much he can carry without it impairing his combat effectiveness. In war situations, solders who carry the appropriate weight have increased maneuverability & survivability on the battle field. Trust me, even the standard normal weight solders carry is quite much, that's why agencies like DARPA, fund companies like Boston Dynamics to develop robots that will carry solders packs & gears, while the solders carry only their basic combat load of ammunition & body armor. So weight has always been a problem in the infantry. Tell me, how effective do you think a solder carrying 152-200 pounds of gear at least, plus an additional weapon(enemies) would fare in gun fight in which his survival depends on his maneuverability?.

mekaprime:

Yeah, i agree that second point of mine was quite base less & untrue. It was basically the video game part of me talking. Sure solders are trained proficient in handling all sorts of fire arms, but you wouldn't compare the accuracy of the aim of a solder who is an expert marksman/sniper and has used either an M21, M14, or SR-25 all his service years to the same solders' aim & accuracy when he uses an enemies weapon he rarely used all his life.

mekaprime:

Lastly, i still maintain my view that any discarded weapon on the battle field, is probably a malfunctioned weapon, and thus, it's not advisable for solders to pick 'em up.

Itzneowizy:
Fighting with my family..... starring Dwanye Johnson
Drama, Comedy 7/10

Heart warming family drama which revolves around wrestling sport....
Basically a true life story...
(Not much screen time for Dwanye Johnson)

KoiceReloaded:

Soldiers are trained to survive under extreme conditions. They carry knapsacks that weigh a ton on their backs into the battlefield, so I don't see how picking up a few extra pounds along the way could pose a problem

An average soldier should be able to handle any sort of fire arm, irrespective of brand. Guns may differ from the way they recoil to the sounds they make, but their integral components are still the same. An average military man should be able to take apart any fire arm and assemble them again under 10 minutes max. It is their trade, thus any soldier that isn't proficient in fire arms has no business calling himself a soldier

Are you trying to tell me that in the middle of a battle, that once a soldier is killed, it render their weapons useless as a result?? Is that what you're saying?

mekaprime:


You know what I stated there wasn't just made-up by me, it's actually based on studies/research obtained from solders on the battle field, that's why DARPA in conjunction with Boston Robotics is working tirelessly to see that the weight solders carry into battle are reduced to the barest minimum so as to increase their performance & efficiency on the battle field.

mekaprime:

You don't seem to get my point,
You have been doing precision shooting all your life, & you know what that entails you think & calculate before you pull the trigger, you've been doing this for years then all of a suddenly, you are faced with a situtation were you're to use a low grade rapid fire weapon, a weapon were you just aim & fire sporadically. So are you trying to tell me you'll fare the same way handling both weapon? Or your level of proficiency with both weapons will be the same. Let me digress a little, A good driver should be able to drive every vehicle right. you drive right? If you were to downgrade from an automatic to a manual transmission vehicle, would you consider your driving experience on both vehicle the same?
Even an experienced auto mechanic wouldn't have the same experience.

mekaprime:

Lolz, thats not what i said. Probably was the word i used to indicate the possibility that guns like schmeissers(used by Germans in WW2), even the Ak47, if not properly maintained jams & malfunctions. Would you hold on to your rifle if it disappoints you on the battle field? I've seen a case were a Naija police officer took his to a welder.

FloraEC:

The movie was just there.

error4040:


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Nova15:


So how do I use it?

KoiceReloaded:

I still don't see how picking up a dead enemy's weapon and ammunitions in a battlefield would suddenly hinder an average soldier from basic soldiering

You know what? You haven't watched enough war-themed tv series, so I'm gonna give you an assignment. Go and watch Band of Brothers, The Pacific and Generation Kill. When you're through, you'd understand better what the basic principle of being a soldier entails

I thought we're discussing the dilemma of taking or leaving an enemy's weapon in a battlefield? How did a Nigerian police enter this conversation again?

mekaprime:



You saw lone Survival right?.. OK let me create a scenario here. Same 4 man team. You happen to carry the communication gear alongside your regular gear, then comes your ancillary weapon together with your main weapon an SR-25 to be precise. A tough gun battle ensues, and you run out of ammunitions(primary/secondary) after hours(you're already weak & tired) of the fight, you're out gunned & massively outnumbered & the enemies are far gaining on you, luckily you are surrounded by tree lines, you decide to use it as a cover to maneuver & retreat..... So are trying to say your first thought will be to get an enemies weapon & add to your gear, knowing fully well that your gear alone wouldn't allow you run fast or maneuver & you dare not ditch any of them. Picture this, a communication gear strapped to you back together with your backpack, your SR-25 on your right shoulder & your ancillary weapon(preferable a hand gun) on the left side of your waist. Minus the enemies weapon, how do you run/retreat & maneuver with all this gear considering the terrain(brushy paths & tree lines)?.. So with all these, you go still gather mind pick enemy weapon?

Raalsalghul:
Incredible 2
7/10

Overrated animation

KoiceReloaded:

And what if you've ran out of ammo, and your gun is now basically useless, and an enemy's gun and ammo are there front of you. Are you trying to tell me that you'd rather prefer not to pick up an extra weight over common sense?

mekaprime:

Hahhaha my man.. That's is exactly what I'll do, because my common sense at that particular point will be hinged on my survival. First, a further face to face confrontation in that scenario of mine will do me no good. How much arms & ammunition do you intend picking up, seeing that you're pinned & the enemy is advancing towards you? how many enemies would you kill with one or two magazines(60 rounds at most),before you eventually run out again & are gunned down? Am outgunned, outnumbered, pinned down with all my heavy gear & weak,..... I'll simply ditch most of my gear ( las las if I survive na court martial i go chop) & run for dear life, for there is a saying that He who fights & runs, leaves to fight another day. Basically, ditching most of my gear, gives me/ avails me an opportunity to pick up the enemies weapon, so as to cover my asz while i run & not for face to face confrontation with the enemy.

JeromeBlack:
See online Rambos philosophising about war.



Na call of duty dey cause all this.

ordinary street fight those guys go run

krattoss:
go to front page and see them war mongers fantasizing and analysing Iran USA war

They think war is some video games

CosmicPhoenix:

ordinary street fight those guys go run

KoiceReloaded:

So you've agreed that you'd pick up an enemy's weapon, good.

But in the circumstance that you'd rid of yourself of most of your gear and retreat with or without shooting back at the enemy while you make your escape, you'll be dead in an instant. If the enemy fire doesn't get you, a friendly fire will surely send you to your maker for deserting. You're only allowed to retreat if the ranking officer in charge deem it so. Retreating while your collegues are resolute only makes you a traitor/deserter. Forget about getting court martialled later, you'll be court martialled right there in the battlefield.

mekaprime:


Never said I wouldn't shoot back as i retreat, remember i said I'll cover my asz while i retreat. Under such unfavorable circumstance as i listed in my earlier post, a reasonable ranking officer in charge with common sense, ought to give the orders to retreat and once he does, we all simply need to cover our aszes while we retreat. And good Lord, he doesn't give the orders, am justified if i leave because we staying back to fight under such circumstances is deemed a Suicidal order and as a soldier, you have the right to disobey Suicidal orders. Here, your actions doesn't put the lives of your colleagues in jeopardy but his and yeah, i know I'll probably catch a bullet to the head for my action...who wants to live forever, its a fvcking good day to die(na joke i day oo).

KoiceReloaded:


I think you should watch those miniseries I referred to you. You'd understand warfaring and rules of warfaring better.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/first-world-war/shot-at-dawn-the-wwi-soldiers-executed-for-desertion-and-cowardice/

There are things you just can't do in battle. Those men fighting alongside you are your brothers, you just can't leave them. You'll just get yourself killed for cowardice.

Fynestboi:
Let us know the movie you are currently watching now, be it a Yoruba movie, an English, Hausa, Igbo, Ghanian, Indian, Korean, Chinese, British, American or even Anime etc or Home video, TV Series (season movies), what episode?

Any kind of movie you are currently watching now just post the name and if possible a little summary.

...let's keep the ball rolling..!

mekaprime:



You saw lone Survival right?.. OK let me create a scenario here. Same 4 man team. You happen to carry the communication gear alongside your regular gear, then comes your ancillary weapon together with your main weapon an SR-25 to be precise. A tough gun battle ensues, and you run out of ammunitions(primary/secondary) after hours(you're already weak & tired) of the fight, you're out gunned & massively outnumbered & the enemies are far gaining on you, luckily you are surrounded by tree lines, you decide to use it as a cover to maneuver & retreat..... So are trying to say your first thought will be to get an enemies weapon & add to your gear, knowing fully well that your gear alone wouldn't allow you run fast or maneuver & you dare not ditch any of them. Picture this, a communication gear strapped to you back together with your backpack, your SR-25 on your right shoulder & your ancillary weapon(preferable a hand gun) on the left side of your waist. Minus the enemies weapon, how do you run/retreat & maneuver with all this gear considering the terrain(brushy paths & tree lines)?.. So with all these, you go still gather mind pick enemy weapon?

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will definitely do.







Just trying to make a point that contrary to popular believes that the Ak47 is a rugged firearm, if it's not properly cared for & maintained, it jams & is prone to malfunction. Nigeria police because they have low maintenance culture as regards the firearms they carry & the resultant effect is a jammed weapon.