Shepherd00:

Shouldn't you show were Jesus says you shd not believe in him but know him?

budaatum:

I did not tell anybody not to believe Shepherd. I said, believe if you have not yet asked. But if you "Ask it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you and then will you know. God wants powerful people see. Not just sheep to be shepherded!

And I never told anyone not to worship God! To worship God is do my will, to love your neighbour and to do unto others as you will have them do unto you, to forgive them their trespasses so that your trespasses can be forgiven, to feed the poor and to be “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” I specifically said that anyone who understands this will even beg God to permit them to worship God!

budaatum:

And I've repeatedly shown you one can know Christ without believing in Him first. I even gave you the example of Paul , who "heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” without first believing. Or did he believe before his encounter on the way to Damascus?

budaatum:

But, alas, since believing is of more importance to you than understanding and knowing, I could hardly expect you to consider it can I, since it's not one of the things you've been taught to 'believe' despite it being clearly shown in the book you claim you believe in

budaatum:

You've, thankfully, allowed me to fully express my position here which is, believe, please, but those who can should seek so they can know and understand that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God.

Shepherd00:


I most have missed that post. I didn't see it.

So you are saying that Paul knew Jesus before he set off to Damascus? As in, He knew who Jesus was (As the Messiah) before he heard His voice? And, yet he asked 'Who are you?'

budaatum:

So, it's a bad thing to follows Jesus because one knows what one is following?

Would one not trust and have more faith in a God one knows than one whom one merely believes in?

Shepherd00:


Bye Buda.

Eberejesus111:

Dear brethren, Jesus is God. If you don't believe in Jesus you as well do not have believe in God. Let me give you some scriptures in the Bible to throw my light.

budaatum:

Sorry Shepherd, but I am going to have to insult you because you appear not only to be blind to what I wrote way back on page 3 but for even misrepresenting the post you've now responded to. How does what you responded to mean, "Paul knew Jesus before he set off to Damascus? As in, He knew who Jesus was (As the Messiah) before he heard His voice?"

I suggest you stop wasting my time and go back and read from page one without your blinkers on to see what else you "missed", "didn't see", and clearly misunderstood.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

Confused lots!

It's now that it has become gossip to gossip about jesusjnr, and be spreading lies and false accusations all the over the NL religious concerning him.

As I said earlier, despite that buda is currently misbehaving seriously, I believe he by is far better than the spiritually dead christian op, who thinks he believes in Jesus even he doesn't know the Truth.

Hence i am going to help a friend for old times sake.

Yes buda, your "know" in the respect of Jesus can be backed up not just by the Bible, but the Words of Jesus which I rep, for it was said:

John 8:30-32 (KJV)

As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Now you can see from the passage what Jesus yet said to those Jews that were said to have believed in Him, for their belief in Him was not good enough for Jesus without them coming to know Him, for He was the Truth they needed to know which would set them free.

And in order to know the Truth, they needed to continue in His Words, in other words obey His Words, and not just believe.

For any belief in Jesus without knowing Jesus, the Truth, just as this spiritually dead Christian op does, is the fake and false kind of belief, and not belief by the interpretation of Jesus.

For the true interpretation of belief whenever Jesus used it, is not without knowing Jesus, the Truth which could set man free from the condemnation of sin and gives him eternal life, for that's the true freedom, and it cannot come with just believing and not knowing the Truth.

And you would get to know why Jesus insisted that they get to know Him despite believing in Him, when you go through the very passage, for this was what the same people that were said to have believed in Jesus did to Him afterwards:

John 8:59 (KJV)

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

And I can see some traits of this spiritually dead christian op in those people who believed in Jesus without knowing Him, that later picked up stones to throw at Him, for saying to them that just believing in Him was not enough, but that they needed to know Him, the Truth, by keeping His Words. For that's in a sense what He's doing to you for saying same, so he would have done the same to Jesus if He was here in person.

I am not saying that you buda are not getting it wrong in certain areas, but in the area of not just believing in Jesus but to know Him, as anyone who's not blind should have seen, it's actually backed up by Jesus' Words.

For any believing in Jesus without knowing Him, the Truth, through keeping His Words, is a very fake and false believing in Jesus, for it is not the interpretation of belief according to Jesus.

And I think the spiritually dead Christian op should instead open a thread calling out himself for erroneously thinking that true belief in Jesus was possible without knowing Jesus, the Truth, that sets man free.

jesusjnr:

I am not saying that you buda are not getting it wrong in certain areas, but in the area of not just believing in Jesus but to know Him, as anyone who's not blind should have seen, it's actually backed up by Jesus' Words.

For any believing in Jesus without knowing Him, the Truth, through keeping His Words, is a very fake and false believing in Jesus, for it is not the interpretation of belief according to Jesus.

Shepherd00:

If you are to only have Faith and do nothing else, why are you asked to do this; ...be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 12:2
Who does the transformation and the renewing of your mind? You.


When you are saved, you do not become blind to temptations, are you purged from lust.

You must fight to keep Lust off your mind.

The urge to commit sexual sin will hunt you every day, what do you do, you fight it.

The reason why you shd lie and get out of that messy situation, will stare you in the face, you keep faith by telling the Truth anyways.

Hunger pangs shall strike at you, but with your pocket empty what do you do? You either work, beg or steal food. what will you do?

Do you pray?

All these are Working. God won't do these for you no matter how much faith you have.


This is the reason you guys rise up against The Word Faith believers, we put our Faith to Work that's why we prosper while you sit back and calls us names.

budaatum:

Would you understand me Shepherd if I told you the person you responded to with the above, "believes", but is in error where understanding is concerned because he has not done the work to attempt to know, and that some (many and most, even), may first believe, but after they seek and understand and put their belief to test, they will then 'know'?

When you "put your Faith to Work" and prosper, you do not believe you have prospered, Shepherd, you know you have prospered!

Shepherd00:

This is Christianity Buda and you said you are not a Christian, so let us alone.

budaatum:

To those it may concern, said Shepherd
“buda is writing in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not believe like us.”

“You cannot stop buda,” was the reply, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

Being against your doctrine Shepherd, is not being against God or Christianity, even. But if buda becomes a 'Christian' like you Shepherd, with your doctrines, the Lord will strike buda dead. For God may accept such from Shepherd to whom it has been given to believe, but so much more is expected of buda to whom it has been given to know.

Shepherd00:

Like I said, I'm talking Christianity here, if you want both of us to talk, we may talk New Age. But, I won't waste my time talking to someone who does not believe in Jesus or the Word of God.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLatff. For curiosity sake, and for the fact that you won't stop beating your chest about me being intimidated by your Alan Turning and Leo Varadkar question, I went to Google them out.

You know MuttleyLatff, I was expecting that I would see men who were great evangelical Reformer/Revivalists who took the gospel of salvation to the ends of the earth like Charles Spurgeon, Smith wigglsword, Billy Graham. People like C.S. Lewis, who were homosexuals yet did well in changing the world for Christ, but alas, I saw Self serving atheists who haven received of God talents, turned against God in their ways.

Again, I expected to read the testimony of Alan Turning being a renown homosexual who died went to heaven and was welcomed into heaven and he was gladly ushered into a homosexual heavenly Community, but came back to let the world know that Jehovah has no problem with homosexuals.

But, alas, I saw men who you homosexuals refer to as Gay icons, who wore their gayness openly without shame and for that you called me to stand by you and cheer them up.

Why were so insistent that I knew him? Is it becos he was a gay scientist or that he committed suicide?

What a shame!

MuttleyLaff:

The moniker is typed MuttleyLaff and not MuttleyLatff, with an extra "t" in it, though you have been devious and as crafty as a dishonest person like you needs to be with the cunning and deceitful stunt you pulled with my moniker there,

MuttleyLaff:

I am consoled and glad you went online to get education on Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar. You no doubt found out their usefulness and benefits to society.

MuttleyLaff:

You surely found out how you're indebted to Alan Turing for your opportunity to be typing using your smartphone, laptop etctera or computer in general

MuttleyLaff:

. You definitely wished you never found out that God permitted a homosexual, in the person of Leo Varadkar, to be elected as his country's, a predominantly Catholic country, the Republic of Ireland's head of state.
What a shame, you still can't see the wood for the trees.

Shepherd00:


Pls show me how I am dishonest.

HappyPagan:

Na so thread end. Shepherd go back to the field. The sheep you so desperately seek for ain't here.

Shepherd00:

Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

HappyPagan:

Na so thread end.

budaatum:

buda Shepherd. You are telling buda who will shout "Jesus Christ" in your Lord your God's face when it talks crap to not, take a name in vain? What a paradox. You and jnr don't flock together but you both get vanity. They worship baals and think they worship God Almighty!

Shepherd, Tell the "Lord thy God" to open it's mouth and swallow buda and let us see if buda disappears!

I, buda, take your baals in vain!

budaatum:

buda Shepherd. You are telling buda who will shout "Jesus Christ" in your Lord your God's face when it talks crap to not, take a name in vain? What a paradox. You and jnr don't flock together but you both get vanity. They worship baals and think they worship God Almighty!

Shepherd, Tell the "Lord thy God" to open it's mouth and swallow buda and let us see if buda disappears!

I, buda, take your baals in vain!

Shepherd00:

What nonsense Buda. Is it that you do not know that you need to hallow the name of Jesus or you do not recognize Him as God? What has Baal got to do with anything here?

Wait and meet The Almighty God then shout 'Jesus Christ' to His face.


Your ignorant pride stinks.

budaatum:

I intend to suffocate you with my "stinking ignorant pride shepherd", buda pisses on your baals!

Shepherd00:

So, Jesus Christ is Baal now?

Before it was 'Jesus is not believed' and God is not to be worshipped, today Jesus is Baal.


Maybe, I shd begin ignore you.


Sorry I responded to you.

Shepherd00:

You didn't TV? This is why I said it's not your fault you came up saying there was no God.

Truthsbitter:

But knowing and believing (whether the believing comes before or after the knowing/experience) is a combination that can never be broken as in "nothing can separate us from the love of Christ ". The realness of God becomes undeniable.

budaatum:


Is there now a difference in what you believed and what you now know?

Would you say 'knowing' reinforced your faith?