It is only on the day of resurrection you will realize that you have mistaken the teachings of Paul for that of Jesus.
When Jesus was on the earth he taught that salvation can only be achieved by doing the will of God (Matthew 7:21-23 ) and keeping the Law.
For example, Jesus said:

Do NOT THINK I CAME TO DESTROY THE LAW or the (way of the) PROPHETS. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)


(Please see how the phrase "Whosoever therefore " connects the first two verses together with the third verse. This implies that the "law or ( the way of) the prophets " talking about in verse 17 is the same thing with the "commandments " made mention in verse 19).
Hence, from these very verses , we learnt that any person that UPHOLD the law (i:e the commandments) and ask people to do the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven. And any person that SET ASIDE the law and ask people to do the same shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven.

In another place,it is written as follows;
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the LAW (Luke 16:17 NIV).

Then Jesus said to the crowds and his disciples: " The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach (Matthew 23:1-3).

Again, see how Jesus commanded the crowds and his disciples to do EVERYTHING preached by the teachers of the LAW.

Yet Paul declares as follows;

For Christ is the END of the LAW for righteousness for everyone who believes (Romans 10:4).

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been RELEASED FROM THE LAW so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6)


Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, (Ephesians 2:15)

BLOTTING OUT the handwriting of ordinances (i:e the LAW ) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross (Colossians 2:14)
But BEFORE faith came, we were KEPT UNDER GUARD BY THE LAW, kept for the faith which after-ward would be revealed. Therefore, THE LAW WAS OUR TUTOR to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But AFTER faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR (Galatians 3:23-25).

Abdulgaffar22:
@Originakalokalo

Your argument amounts to nothing until you are able to prove that Christianity was brought by Jesus Christ and not by Paul.

A Very Simple Logic To Recognize If You're On The Right Path
Did your prophet Mohamed ever speak against Apostle Paul?
Did the Koran ever denigrate Paul?
Why then are you standing in opposition to your prophet Mohamed and the Koran?

Religion should be pure because it bothers on eternity.

So, to know a true religion, one should consider the character, traits and personality of the person who introduced the belief...

The practices enshrined in the religion should also be questioned.

This is better than looking for the name in a book.

Originakalokalo:

Man fell in Eden as a result of Sin and lost his inheritance.
.
Christianity centres on the removal of sins by the blood and the restoration that follows; restored as children of God.

Look no further. Jesus is Lord.

Accept him and be saved.

Reject him and be condemned.
.

Jesus said you should not wait till you die before knowing your status...

He said,..

You stand condemned and will die in your sins if you don't believe that he took your place on the cross.

Do you think you'd be here typing what you just typed f you were born into a staunch Muslim family? You know the answer to that question
So you see that this Jesus you claim loves you so much wouldn't give two sh*ts that your soul is headed for damnation had you been born a Muslim. Because heaven knows a very Christian person like you would be very Muslim should the tables be turned

Secondly, since Jesus is God over all, why does he let innocent souls be born into non christian homes making it harder or impossible for them to covert to a faith different from that of their parents? If you have been a Christian since you were born and have never converted why do you expect non Christians to do the opposite?

@ sagenaija

Paul said he has resolved to know nothing other than Jesus crucifixion (1st Cor 2:2). Yet Qur'an says Jesus was never crucified. Now you are telling me Qur'an did not speak against Paul.

@ Originakalokalo

We are not looking for a name in a true religion. Rather we are looking for whether a religion was ENDORSED by God or not.

Yes looking for the character and personality of the person that introduced the belief is important. But the CONTENTS of the belief is far more important!
How could you ask me to believe that God is three in one or one in three when the previous scriptures has already declared: Hear O isreal the Lord our God is one(Deut 6:4).

How could you ask me to believe that an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God was ACCURSED by the same God(Gal 3:13) for the sins he did not commit ?

iRyan:

Do you think you'd be here typing what you just typed f you were born into a staunch Muslim family? You know the answer to that question
So you see that this Jesus you claim loves you so much wouldn't give two sh*ts that your soul is headed for damnation had you been born a Muslim. Because heaven knows a very Christian person like you would be very Muslim should the tables be turned

Secondly, since Jesus is God over all, why does he let innocent souls be born into non christian homes making it harder or impossible for them to covert to a faith different from that of their parents? If you have been a Christian since you were born and have never converted why do you expect non Christians to do the opposite?

People convert from one religion or the other. Being born into one religion is not a factor.

Though the devil makes it very difficult for people to leave some religion, one can still take his chance since eternity is not negotiable.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

We are not looking for a name in a true religion. Rather we are looking for whether a religion was ENDORSED by God or not.

Yes looking for the character and personality of the person that introduced the belief is important. But the CONTENTS of the belief is far more important!
How could you ask me to believe that God is three in one or one in three when the previous scriptures has already declared: Hear O isreal the Lord our God is one(Deut 6:4).

How could you ask me to believe that an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God was ACCURSED by the same God(Gal 3:13) for the sins he did not commit ?

The Sun is one. But out of it comes light and heat.

Most times, when the sun is shining bright, we can't look at it. But we assume it is the sun that's shining anyways because we see the light and feel the heat.

God is one. But Jesus said he came out from God. Jesus promised to give us the holy spirit as a comforter....later, he said he will come to us.later, he said we Will come to you.


God is one.

You asked how someone who did not sin was killed and accursed.

Jesus himself said......I laid down my life. No one took it from me, I laid it down and have the power to take it again.

He said, I have decided to do your will oh Lord.

So, leave Jesus alone. He decided to die for the sins of mankind.

He doesn't force it on you.

@ Originakalokalo

The analogy of the sun you brought cannot explain the concept of Trinity. Remember it is the light, the heat and the gas particles that COMBINED TOGETHER to make up the sun. That is
light + heat + gas particles = sun

But according to Trinity, the father, the son and holy spirit do NOT COMBINED TOGETHER to make up God. Rather, you believe that Father is God, the Son is God and the holy spirit is God.

Sorry! Look for another analogy to explain the concept of Trinity

If it was already in the divine plan that Jesus would die for the sins of mankind, then why did God reveal to the earlier prophets that EVERY SOUL SHALL DIE FOR OWN SIN as found in Deuteronomy 24:16, Jeremiah 31:30 , Ezekiel 18:20 etc

Besides, God Almighty who says: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed on the cross of Calvary before the mankind can gain eternal life".
The way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory.

Originakalokalo:



People convert from one religion or the other. Being born into one religion is not a factor.

Though the devil makes it very difficult for people to leave some religion, one can still take his chance since eternity is not negotiable.

It is a huge factor because many people get closed off to other alternatives due to how their own religion is presented or the cultural context in which they practice their religion. If the god knew that many people won't ever get the opportunity to consider some particular flavour of religion how does its failure to provide a solution commend it to any reasonable degree?

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

The analogy of the sun you brought cannot explain the concept of Trinity. Remember it is the light, the heat and the gas particles that COMBINED TOGETHER to make up the sun. That is
light + heat + gas particles = sun

But according to Trinity, the father, the son and holy spirit do NOT COMBINED TOGETHER to make up God. Rather, you believe that Father is God, the Son is God and the holy spirit is God.

Sorry! Look for another analogy to explain the concept of Trinity

If it was already in the divine plan that Jesus would die for the sins of mankind, then why did God reveal to the earlier prophets that EVERY SOUL SHALL DIE FOR OWN SIN as found in Deuteronomy 24:16, Jeremiah 31:30 , Ezekiel 18:20 etc

I have had discussions with you time without number. You bring the same argument that I have settled with you.

We can't keep going in cycles.

If Jesus is not for you, leave him alone sir...

If you want him, accept him and get saved.


If you don't want him, stick to whatever Mohammed told you.

God bless you.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

The analogy of the sun you brought cannot explain the concept of Trinity. Remember it is the light, the heat and the gas particles that COMBINED TOGETHER to make up the sun. That is
light + heat + gas particles = sun

But according to Trinity, the father, the son and holy spirit do NOT COMBINED TOGETHER to make up God. Rather, you believe that Father is God, the Son is God and the holy spirit is God.

Sorry! Look for another analogy to explain the concept of Trinity

If it was already in the divine plan that Jesus would die for the sins of mankind, then why did God reveal to the earlier prophets that EVERY SOUL SHALL DIE FOR OWN SIN as found in Deuteronomy 24:16, Jeremiah 31:30 , Ezekiel 18:20 etc

OK sir.

@ Originakalokalo

Are you tired ? Sorry!
Pls before you withdraw, quickly respond to the last submission explained below;

God Almighty says: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" . Now would
the same God LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying again: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed on the cross of Calvary before the mankind can gain eternal. life" ?
Remember the way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

Are you tired ? Sorry!
Pls before you withdraw, quickly respond to the last submission explained below;

God Almighty says: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" . Now would
the same God LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying again: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed on the cross of Calvary before the mankind can gain eternal. life" ?
Remember the way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory.

Yeah.

I am tired.

Stay with Mohammed.

I stay with Jesus.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ sagenaija

Paul said he has resolved to know nothing other than Jesus crucifixion (1st Cor 2:2). Yet Qur'an says Jesus was never crucified. Now you are telling me Qur'an did not speak against Paul.

“All human efforts . . . of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus , and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular.” – Tacitus

“after him whom they still worship—the man who was crucified in Palestine for introducing this new cult into the world” – Lucian of Samosata

“In the third book of his Histories, Thallus calls this darkness a solar eclipse. In my opinion, this is nonsense because Jesus died at the time of a full moon, which necessitates a “wonderful sign,” or miracle, instead.” – Julius Africanus .

“What advantage did the Jews gain by executing their wise King? It was just after that that their kingdom was abolished” – Mara bar Serapon

“And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him;” – Josephus, Jewish Historian

“On (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover Jesus the Nazarene was hanged. And a herald wentforth before him 40 days (heralding): Jesus the Nazarene is going forth to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and instigated and seduced Israel (to idolatry). Whoever knows anything in his defense, may come and state it. But since they did not find anything in his defense, they hanged him on (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover.” – Babylonian Talmud

Historical documentations APART FROM THE BIBLE, as you can see above, confirm the death of Christ. The Koran denies the death of Christ. The question then is: was the entire world that witness Jesus' crucifixion all DECEIVED by Allah? How come the Koran only said the Jews were the ones deceived into believing that Jesus was crucified.
THESE are sources that DO NOT believe in Jesus as saviour or Lord. Indeed the Jewish nation did not really accept him as their Lord. But they still RECORDED A FACT of history.

So, what does that make of the claims of Mohamed and the Koran?

The Koran is not inerrant; Koran is not the revelation of God. So Mohamed the messenger who delivered the message in the Koran and claimed to be a prophet from God is a False Prophet and Islam which claims to be the true way is proved to be false religion. Thus the death of Christ on the Cross falsifies the Koran and proves that Mohamed is a false prophet and disproves Islam as false cult.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Maximus69

You are highly welcome!

First of all permit me to congratulations you, for being an advocate of PURE WORSHIP!
99.9% of earth's inhabitants are only interested in the gathering of people NOT interested in 'which amongst all these forms of worship is approved of God?'

We're the TRUE Christians and our mission is to search for people having that mindset! Matthew 10:6,15:24

So don't allow your emotions to becloud your power of reasoning, because that's what's been keeping most people behind when we're talking about PURE WORSHIP.
The churchgoer fails to realize that his ancestors were enslaved by the colonial masters and since those forced to accept the church thing are gone it becomes the religion of their progenies!
The mosquegoer fails to realize that his ancestors were forced with swords by the Arabs and Fulanis to accept the mosque thing and once those ones are gone, nobody remembers how it all began!
The atheist fails to realize that he was sent to school by either a churchgoer or mosquegoer before the white man brought the theory of evolution which made him think there is no reason to obey harmless individuals talkless some imaginary UNSEEN Gods!
But one thing they all missed is the fact that we often make a lot of sacrifices just to put a smile in the face of someone!
Granted, we may say such a person is our
Dad
Mum
Brother
Sister
Son
Daughter
Uncle
Auntie
Friends and so on!
The fact still remains that the favour was done SELFLESSLY.
Well whatever we are able to do selflessly without the thought of getting anything in return shows something unique about us! Unlike other animals that takes care of their little ones and felt relieved of further responsibilities as soon as their infant reach adulthood, humans are attached to their own kind till death! So why this unique natural affection? It is because:
WE WERE CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF A SELFLESS GIVER WHOSE INITIATIVE BROUGHT US HERE! Genesis 1:27

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Originakalokalo

Are you tired ? Sorry!
Pls before you withdraw, quickly respond to the last submission explained below;

God Almighty says: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" . Now would
the same God LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying again: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed on the cross of Calvary before the mankind can gain eternal. life" ?
Remember the way of the Lord our God can be higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9) but the way of the Lord our God can NEVER be contradictory.

You challenge is you read the bible like story book. Yes God said no innocent man shall be killed as a law but it was a law meant for men and Jesus' death on cross was well prophesied even from old testament. Same way God hardened the Pharaoh's heart against Israel and Moses is same way Jesus' death player out.

May be you should tell us why your prophet would ask you to kill potential islamic converts as part of his Jihad. Isn't that a paradox? That I must kill whoever doesn't share my belief on something I wasn't born with. If those around all islamists had killed those jihadists while they were yet to be converted to Islam for being infidels, then they would have been dead before the Jihad they are waging.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ hakeem 4


What you mean by begging the question fallacy ? Pls explain how it applies to my premises.

okay. Begging the question fallacy is when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it.

For example:-God is real because the Bible says so, and the Bible is from God.

So who is Muhammad and what does he stand for?

@ Sagenaija
There was a time that the whole of humanity believed that the Earth was flat due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about the shape of the Earth . Now that we know for certain that the Earth is not flat but spherical, can we say God has DECEIVED these ancient people ? Again does the fact that many ancient people believed that the Earth was flat really make the shape of the Earth to be flat ?
Similarly, concerning Jesus crucifixion, God Almighty says as follows;
" Because of their saying in boast: we killed the Christ, Jesus, the messenger of God. But they killed him not nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them. Those who differ there in are full of doubt with no CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE but only a conjecture to follow. Of surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157).
Using the same analogy of the shape of the Earth explained above, we cannot say God has deceived the whole humanity into believing in Jesus crucifixion. But it is due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened on the crucifixion scene just like the Qur'an said it above.
But is it really true that those who reported the events of the crucifixion are full of doubts with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE?
Let us consider the following questions
Question 1; When was Jesus exactly crucified ?
-It was at the THIRD HOUR (Mark 15:25 KJV ).
- It was after the SIXTH HOUR (John 19:14-16 KJV)
Question 2; What was the actual colour of the robe given to Jesus when the soldiers were mocking him ?
-It was purple (John 19:2)
-It was scarlet (Matthew 27:28)
Question 3; How did detachment of the troops recognized Jesus before they arrested him ?
- It was through the kissing of Jesus by Judas (Matthew 26:48-49)
-It was Jesus that went out and presented himself to them (John 18:4-9).
Question 4; Who carried the cross of crucifixion to Golgotha ?
-It was Simon of Cyrene (Matthew 27:32 )
- It was Jesus himself (John 19:17)
Question 5; What was the ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD inscription fastened to the Jesus’ Cross ?
-The inscription was : “THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Mark 15:26)
- The inscription was : “THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Matthew 27:37).
- The inscription was : “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.” ( John 19:19)
These are just only five out of many contradictions abound on the record of events concerning Jesus crucifixion.
Have you now seen the truth in this verse of Qur'an
"and those who differ therein ( i:e on the issue of Jesus crucifixion) are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow ( Qur'an 4:157)".
The disciples of Jesus were NOT THE EYE-WITNESSES to the actual happenings of the crucifixion, as declare by the gospel of Mark, "THEY ALL FORSOOK HIM AND FLED( Mark 14:50)". Hence, all the knowledge of the disciples regarding their Master and his alleged crucifixion was from HEARSAY.

@ maximus69
Muhammad was the last prophet of God sent to the ENTIRE WORLD(Qur'an 34:28) since Jesus was ONLY sent to the Israelites (Matthew 15:24)

@Code templar
Let me lecture your confusion a little bit.

Jesus said :I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel( Matthew 15:24) .
So it is very clear that Jesus ONLY had contacts with the Israelites i:e the Jews. He was never sent to the Gentiles.

Yet the Jews has already believed in the God and all the prophets that came before Jesus. So the Jews were not idol worshippers. Therefore, there is no any reason why God would sent Jesus to wage war against the Jews. This is exactly the reason why Jesus did not engage in an holy war.

But as for the prophet of Islam, he was sent to the entire world ( see Qur'an 34:28, 7:158, 21:107 ). Therefore he was commanded by God to wage war against the idol worshippers of his own time until they seek no other god except God (Allah).

This has been the WAY OF GOD from the beginning. So fighting the idol worshippers that REFUSE to accept and worship the only true God is not something that started with Islam.

See the biblical evidence for killing those who refuse to accept the God of Israel :

"And whoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel was to be PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, whether man or woman (2nd Chronicles 15:13) .


Again, read below what God commanded Moses to do;


“When you go near a city to FIGHT against it, then proclaim an offer of peace to it. And it shall be that if they accept your offer of peace, and open to you, then all the people who are found in it shall be placed under tribute to you, and SERVE you. Now if the city will not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall BESIEGE it. And when the Lord your God delivers it into your hands, you shall STRIKE EVERY MALE in it with the edge of the SWORD . But the women, the little ones, the livestock, and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall plunder for yourself; and you shall eat the enemies’ plunder which the Lord your God gives you. Thus you shall do to ALL THE CITIES which are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations. “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall LET NOTHING THAT BREATHES REMAIN ALIVE, but you shall utterly DESTROY them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has COMMANDED you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 20:10-18).


Now remember that God said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 that he is going to raise a prophet LIKE MOSES. This very prophet, which would be given a law (i:e sharia law) like that of Mosaic law and which would also wage war against the idol worshippers, is nobody other than Prophet Muhammad. It was never Jesus who did not fight any battle.


The Jews were still expecting this very prophet during the time of John the Baptist. This is the reason why they interrogated John the Baptist as the following verses indicate;

And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet (John1:19-25). You will notice from these verses that Jews were expecting THREE different personalities; the Christ, Elias and that prophet.

SO WHO IS THAT VERY PROPHET (LIKE MOSES) THE JEWS WERE EXPECTING ? Deuteronomy 18:18 kjv make it clear that this prophet would be from the BRETHREN of Israelites. And the brethren of Israelites are none but Arabs (See Galatians 4:22-26).

So commanding the prophet and his followers to fight the idol worshippers in some verses of the Qur'an is not new. Those verses can also be found in the Bible.

@hakeem4
Pls explain how your begging the question fallacy applies to the four premises in my original post.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus69
Muhammad was the last prophet of God sent to the ENTIRE WORLD(Qur'an 34:28) since Jesus was ONLY sent to the Israelites (Matthew 15:24)

Hmmm, you're quoting the same text all Islamic scholars do refer to anytime they want to argue about the prophet that's sent to the entire globe!
But one thing you should know about me is that [I was once an INQUISITIVE Islamic scholar] so i'm already aware of the quoting of Biblical texts out of context!
For instance, why not quote John 3:16-18?
And see that it's either
*You can't fully grasp what Jesus meant, unless someone put you through.
or
*Just assume that the Bible is contradicting itself. {as we were taught in those days}

Muhammad actually claimed to be the last prophet from the same God who has always refer to himself as the God of the Jews! Exodus 3:15
Muhammad was taught to have descended from the lineage of Ishmael {Abraham's first son born by Sarah's slave girl} Genesis 16:1-4
Though hard to dispute because the Bible actually said Hagar later left for Paran after Abraham sent her away with the child. Ishmael married an Egyptian {Arabian}

God has sworn that his covenant for the Salvation of mankind will NOT be established with Ishmael but Isaac! Genesis 17:18-21

Abraham later had six other SONS none of whom God had further dealings just as he forgo Ishmael! Genesis 25:1

So when and how exactly did Muhammad whose lineage had nothing to do with that God came into the scene?

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Sagenaija
There was a time that the whole of humanity believed that the Earth was flat due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about the shape of the Earth . Now that we know for certain that the Earth is not flat but spherical, can we say God has DECEIVED these ancient people ? Again does the fact that many ancient people believed that the Earth was flat really make the shape of the Earth to be flat ?
Similarly, concerning Jesus crucifixion, God Almighty says as follows;
" Because of their saying in boast: we killed the Christ, Jesus, the messenger of God. But they killed him not nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them. Those who differ there in are full of doubt with no CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE but only a conjecture to follow. Of surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157).
Using the same analogy of the shape of the Earth explained above, we cannot say God has deceived the whole humanity into believing in Jesus crucifixion. But it is due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened on the crucifixion scene just like the Qur'an said it above.
But is it really true that those who reported the events of the crucifixion are full of doubts with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE?

The Koran verse you stated talked about those  who said "in boast: we killed the Christ, Jesus, the messenger of God".

The quotations I provided are from others who were not part of these people. And we are talking about an EVENT in history.

So, your reference to biblical passages is not addressing my issue.

Did Allah DECEIVE even those who were unconcerned about the issues going concerning Christ to make them 'think' he was crucified?

Secondly, those who crucified Jesus NEVER believed that he was the MESSIAH. If they did they would not have crucified him. The Jews were expecting the Messiah. It would not make sense for them to recognise him as such and then go ahead to kill him. So, something is wrong with that Koran statement. If they never believed he was the Christ they would not make that statement. Do you see it?
 
The Koran is wrong on that point.

@ Sagenaija

Did God DECEIVE even those who were not concerned about knowing the shape of the Earth when the whole humanity believed that the shape of the Earth was flat ?
I have told you that what really happened on the crucifixion scene was not a deception on the part of God but it was as a result of INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of those who witnessed the crucifixion event; just like believing that Earth was flat was not a deception on the part of God but due to INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of ancient humanity.

Yes those who ALLEGEDLY crucified Jesus would not have made an attempt to crucify him if they knew he was the Christ. But their statement made mention in Qur'an 4:157 was a SARCASTIC statement. That is, they refer to Jesus as Christ in a sarcastic manner. The meaning of their statement is that if Jesus was really the Christ, then he should have escaped the death on the cross. That is the reason why they were saying it boast; "we killed Christ Jesus the messenger of God ". So there is nothing wrong with that Qur'anic statement. It is your intelligence that is very low to comprehend the message embedded in that verse.

@maximus69

Read below what God commanded Moses to do;


“When you go near a city to FIGHT against it, then proclaim an offer of peace to it. And it shall be that if they accept your offer of peace, and open to you, then all the people who are found in it shall be placed under tribute to you, and SERVE you. Now if the city will not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall BESIEGE it. And when the Lord your God delivers it into your hands, you shall STRIKE EVERY MALE in it with the edge of the SWORD . But the women, the little ones, the livestock, and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall plunder for yourself; and you shall eat the enemies’ plunder which the Lord your God gives you. Thus you shall do to ALL THE CITIES which are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations. “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall LET NOTHING THAT BREATHES REMAIN ALIVE, but you shall utterly DESTROY them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has COMMANDED you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 20:10-18).


Now remember that God said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 that he is going to raise a prophet LIKE MOSES. This very prophet, which would be given a law (i:e sharia law) like that of Mosaic law and which would also wage war against the idol worshippers, is nobody other than Prophet Muhammad. It was never Jesus who did not fight any battle.


The Jews were still expecting this very prophet during the time of John the Baptist. This is the reason why they interrogated John the Baptist as the following verses indicate;

And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet (John1:19-25). You will notice from these verses that Jews were expecting THREE different personalities; the Christ, Elias and that prophet.

SO WHO IS THAT VERY PROPHET (LIKE MOSES) THE JEWS WERE EXPECTING ? Deuteronomy 18:18 kjv make it clear that this prophet would be from the BRETHREN of Israelites. And the brethren of Israelites are none but Arabs (See Galatians 4:22-26).

For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in ARABIA, and CORRESPONDS to Jerusalem which now is (Galatians 4:25). Pls which city CORRESPONDS to Jerusalem according to this very verse? Of course, it is the city of ARABIA

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Sagenaija

Did God DECEIVE even those who were not concerned about knowing the shape of the Earth when the whole humanity believed that the shape of the Earth was flat ?
I have told you that what really happened on the crucifixion scene was not a deception on the part of God but it was as a result of INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of those who witnessed the crucifixion event; just like believing that Earth was flat was not a deception on the part of God but due to INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of ancient humanity.

Yes those who ALLEGEDLY crucified Jesus would not have made an attempt to crucify him if they knew he was the Christ. But their statement made mention in Qur'an 4:157 was a SARCASTIC statement. That is, they refer to Jesus as Christ in a sarcastic manner. The meaning of their statement is that if Jesus was really the Christ, then he should have escaped the death on the cross. That is the reason why they were saying it boast; "we killed Christ Jesus the messenger of God ". So there is nothing wrong with that Qur'anic statement. It is your intelligence that is very low to comprehend the message embedded in that verse.

It's amazing how you Moslems claim to go by the Koran but when you want to cover up your lies you resort to some other things.

Did the Koran say anything about those who believed in the flat earth? No.
Does the Koran say something about Jesus's crucifixion? Yes!

Did the Koran say the belief in Jesus's crucifixion was because of "INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE" like you claim? No!

Did the Koran say they were being sarcastic? No!

The Koran says: " but so it was made to appear to them". In other words, THEY WERE MADE TO SEE IT AS IF it was Jesus that being crucified when it was not so. Is there any issue of "incomplete knowledge" here? No!

Now who made what was not so to appear to them as if it is the reality? I hope you know the answer.

Are you comfortable in believing in an Allah as a deceiver who tricks people into believing false things for no reason at all? Or are you now going to tell us that it was not Allah who made it appear so to them? Was there an illusionist there doing his tricks?

Who are we then to believe - your Koran that says "so it was made to appear to them" or you who is saying it is "INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE"?

Do you see the extent you guys are ready to go  in order to be as deceptive as your Allah? You can even deny him and the Koran so as to win an argument. Whao!

Abdulgaffar22:
@maximus69

Read below what God commanded Moses to do;


“When you go near a city to FIGHT against it, then proclaim an offer of peace to it. And it shall be that if they accept your offer of peace, and open to you, then all the people who are found in it shall be placed under tribute to you, and SERVE you. Now if the city will not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall BESIEGE it. And when the Lord your God delivers it into your hands, you shall STRIKE EVERY MALE in it with the edge of the SWORD . But the women, the little ones, the livestock, and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall plunder for yourself; and you shall eat the enemies’ plunder which the Lord your God gives you. Thus you shall do to ALL THE CITIES which are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations. “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall LET NOTHING THAT BREATHES REMAIN ALIVE, but you shall utterly DESTROY them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has COMMANDED you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 20:10-18).


Now remember that God said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 that he is going to raise a prophet LIKE MOSES. This very prophet, which would be given a law (i:e sharia law) like that of Mosaic law and which would also wage war against the idol worshippers, is nobody other than Prophet Muhammad. It was never Jesus who did not fight any battle.


The Jews were still expecting this very prophet during the time of John the Baptist. This is the reason why they interrogated John the Baptist as the following verses indicate;

And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet (John1:19-25). You will notice from these verses that Jews were expecting THREE different personalities; the Christ, Elias and that prophet.

SO WHO IS THAT VERY PROPHET (LIKE MOSES) THE JEWS WERE EXPECTING ? Deuteronomy 18:18 kjv make it clear that this prophet would be from the BRETHREN of Israelites. And the brethren of Israelites are none but Arabs (See Galatians 4:22-26).

For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in ARABIA, and CORRESPONDS to Jerusalem which now is (Galatians 4:25). Pls which city CORRESPONDS to Jerusalem according to this very verse? Of course, it is the city of ARABIA

This is another text that our Islamic scholars misinterpreted because they were carefully considering prophet but never noticed that God said 'from amongst your brothers' Deuteronomy 18:15

You mistakenly concluded that it's only when someone takes up swords PHYSICALLY that such a person is waging a war, whereas ordinarily speaking to change the thoughts and intentions of another intelligent creature like yourself is tantamount to SPIRITUAL war! Matthew 10:34-36 compared to Ephesians 6:10-17

Moreover Elias means Elijah, of course the prophet Malachi prophesied that Elijah will come before the Christ to prepare the way! Malachi 4:5-6

So they were confused whether Jesus is the promised Christ or the messenger that will prepare his way! But Elijah won't come rather John has fulfilled that purpose as he has the spirit of Elijah! Matthew 17:10-13

God NEVER referred to any other tribe or race as brothers of the sons of Jacob because they're the only race given his divine laws! Deuteronomy 7:6
Now from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob, the Arabians are now claiming that they're the brothers of the Israelites shey? What of the sons of Edom{Esau} who came out from the same womb on the same day with Jacob the man called Israel? Genesis 32:28
And right from time immemorial the Arabians were perpetual Idol worshipers, so in what way were they connected to the same God who gave over 600 laws against idolatry?
Again Paul's words is now of relevance to the Muslims, who hated anything about this Apostle because he outrightly condemned any other prophet that could come after Jesus! Galatians 1:8
Please if you want to know the meaning of what you're reading in the Bible, why not ask first instead of correlating two distinct cultures that's of no similarities and cordiality?
I am neither Jew nor Arab but if we're to go by logical reasoning, then Muhammad has nothing to do with that same God!

So you can just ask your questions and wait for the answers NOT asking and at the same time answering yourself as if others shouldn't scrutinize your logic!

If you want me to present a logical reasoning that's indisputable to validate the one and only true religion, just signify by asking and i will give you one that nobody not even atheists could refute! Isaiah 54:17

@sagenaija
You wrote;
"Did the Koran say the belief in Jesus's crucifixion was because of "INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE" like you claim? No! "
Now read the verse again
"Because of their saying in boast: we killed the Christ, Jesus, the messenger of God. But they killed him not nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them. Those who differ there in are full of doubt with no CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE but only a conjecture to follow. Of surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157)."
Besides, does it even make sense to believe that Jesus was crucified? Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatians 3:13 make it clear that ANY ONE that is hanged is ACCURSED of God. So how could an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God be under the CURSE of the same God ? Is it logical ? Certainly not. This is the reason why the alleged Jesus crucifixion was a STUMBLING BLOCK to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the Gentiles during the time of Paul ( see 1st Corinthians 1:23). It was a stumbling block to the Jews because it is not grounded in their knowledge that the Messiah appointed by God will be crucified and fell under the curse of the same God.
You can go ahead to say anything you want to say about Allah. But just remember that there is no any other word for God in the Arabic Bible other than Allah.