@ maximus 69


Pls quickly present your logical reason to recognize the only true religion approved by God. I will be very glad to see it

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus 69


Pls quickly present your logical reason to recognize the only true religion approved by God. I will be very glad to see it

If you truthfully want to worship the one and only ttrue God, there are just three things that must be scrutinized:
¤How logical is the theory of worship!
¤Practical application of the theory!
¤Benefits for both adherents and none participants!

All the religions on this planet are just presenting their THEORIES no PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS nor BENEFITS. That is what made me abandoned Islam to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses today!
Because Islam has a fine theory and practical application of the theories but NO benefits!
For instance, everyone{including atheists} you see debating on the problems we're facing on this planet surely feel concerned but what exactly are they doing to solve the problem? NOTHING! other than talking or adding to the problems!

Originakalokalo:


You guys are always very funny when it comes to defending your belief.

Christians are people who are Christ like. They believe in the death, resurrection, ascension and the sonship of Jesus Christ.

You can keep looking for where Christianity is in the bible, it won't change anything.

You should accept Jesus, or you stay condemned.

Its just like you buying a physics textbook to read and you open the book and you can't find one single definition of Physics,won't you know the book does not know what its talking about and return the book?

Abdulgaffar22:
@sagenaija
You wrote;
"Did the Koran say the belief in Jesus's crucifixion was because of "INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE" like you claim? No! "
Now read the verse again
"Because of their saying in boast: we killed the Christ, Jesus, the messenger of God. But they killed him not nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them. Those who differ there in are full of doubt with no CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE but only a conjecture to follow. Of surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157)."
Besides, does it even make sense to believe that Jesus was crucified? Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatians 3:13 make it clear that ANY ONE that is hanged is ACCURSED of God. So how could an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God be under the CURSE of the same God ? Is it logical ? Certainly not. This is the reason why the alleged Jesus crucifixion was a STUMBLING BLOCK to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the Gentiles during the time of Paul ( see 1st Corinthians 1:23). It was a stumbling block to the Jews because it is not grounded in their knowledge that the Messiah appointed by God will be crucified and fell under the curse of the same God.
You can go ahead to say anything you want to say about Allah. But just remember that there is no any other word for God in the Arabic Bible other than Allah.

What is your understanding of the phrase: "it was made to appear to them"?
It didn't say: "It appeared to them as if ... ...".
Simply that an external person made it appear to them the way they thought they saw it.

Then this: "Those who differ there in are full of doubt with no CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE but only a conjecture to follow." What does "those who differ" mean? How does that explain the "it was made to appear to them"? How does "no CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE" translate to your "incomplete knowledge"?

At the end of the day you are trying HARD to make the words and phrases mean what you want them to say.

Are there tafsir that agree with my position that it was Allah that deceived the people into believing that it was Jesus on the cross when it someone else? Yes!

Are there any that agree with your position? I doubt. Maybe you can show proof.

On the name 'Allah', see this:
Koran 52:43 ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI

(52:43) Or have they a god other than Allah? Exalted is Allah far above the things they associate with Him!

Did you see the word "god" in that verse? So, do you see that the Koran has a word other than "Allah" for "GOD"?

Maximus69:

If you truthfully want to worship the one and only ttrue God, there are just three things that must be scrutinized:
¤How logical is the theory of worship!
¤Practical application of the theory!
¤Benefits for both adherents and none participants!

All the religions on this planet are just presenting their THEORIES no PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS nor BENEFITS. That is what made me abandoned Islam to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses today!
Because Islam has a fine theory and practical application of the theories but NO benefits!
For instance, everyone{including atheists} you see debating on the problems we're facing on this planet surely feel concerned but what exactly are they doing to solve the problem? NOTHING! other than talking or adding to the problems!

¤The atheists came up with their evolution theory due to their stiff neck and disregard for MIND CONTROL instead of simply saying 'we aren't gonna bow to the will of any so called God who is not solving our problems'. So they fabricated the theory to stand against the concept of a beginning which might compel them to agree with the idea of a supreme being. But with their theory, how do we solve the problems that triggered the fabrication of such theory?
¤Atheists will shamelessly leave that question and continue blaming religion without presenting any logical reasoning or practical application to find a solution!
¤The churchgoers will gather together, get a motivational confusionist to start telling them what they feel like hearing and by the end of the day, after dancing, clapping, yelling and contributing cash to enrich their so called teacher, they walk back home dejected and more confused than before! They don't think of any practical application of what they were taught since that will sound like judging whoever doesn't listen to their self imposed religious teachers. So no application nor benefits!
¤The Muslims have learnt a lesson from the churchgoers, they all agreed on one form of application of their religious theories called zaqat, therefore five times within 24 hours they'll gather to make a common gesture and claim that it is WORSHIP not just theories theories and theories like the churchgoers. But what is the benefits of their application? No benefits!
So both the churchgoers and the mosquegoers are on the same page regarding the story of a beginning by one entity called God. Unlike the atheist who doesn't want to be ordered around or controlled! But as for the practical application of their teachings, they just sweep that away since they somehow compliments each other with the concept of a beginning through descendants of a man called Adam, and referring whoever is just too inquisitive about their failed theories to heaven{a place where no one has gone and returned to relate the experience)!

Will you like to hear about the theory, practical application and benefits of Jehovah's Witnesses across the globe? If so just signal by typing YES!

I feel obliged to answer my own questions because it's obvious everyone is downhearted dew to my logical reasoning and the challenge i threw into the podium!

¤Theory of Jehovah's Witnesses!
Just like every other gathering of intellectuals the JWs also developed interest in the condition of our home EARTH. They read lots of books available regarding life and how to live happily with neighbours, they discovered a jewel called Bible, this book helped them to get a theory that has beaten all other theories ever fabricated by humans.
There is a God, he created all what we're seeing today out of love, the birds, fishes, beasts and all other creeping things, and to crown it all he created humans in his image. This means of all creatures he made, humans are the only creatures with the ability to think, plan and execute such plans just as he has done. Therefore which of all his creatures possesses the attributes to take charge of all other creatures on earth? He himself answered 'humans' Genesis 1:26-28
But both humans and all other creatures must coexist with rules that will help them to continue living without getting harmed or harming one another, so he told humans{the only creatures not living on instinct} ability to discern right and wrong is mine {Jeremiah 10:23} leave that to me for now {Genesis 2:15-17}
But as intelligent creatures humans wanted ABSOLUTE freedom to do and undo,they connived with another intelligent creature more advanced than them to rebel against our life giver, that was the Genesis of what we're all experiencing today! Genesis 3:17-19

¤Practical Application! Now that we know the beginning of all our woes, how do we approach this to find a solution?
Well the same creator knew that some of Adam's descendants will like to live within the boundaries of his instructions but before then Adam's progenies must learn from the error of their father, so God gave a time limit for humans to experience the pain we can inflict on ourselves if we choose to be absolutely free from him! Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9

But after about 2,000 years he introduced himself to a one man called Abraham and promised that all these problems will be solved through the standard he is about set using Abraham's descendants as example before all other races who are still living like Adam, that was how he initiated the writing of the Bible gradually till what we're having in almost every home on earth today!
What are we to do with this book?
We're to start reading, studying and meditating on what we read in order to educate our young ones on how to live within the bounds of God's standards! Deuteronomy 6:4-7
Jehovah's Witnesses started this about 150 years ago and they are taking this knowledge to their neighbours to inculcate it in the minds of whoever is willing to see the changes! Matthew 28:18-20 But we have to be patient because it's not all of us that can easily grasp what is happening around us, so we shouldn't expect God to quickly take action against others who are not yet informed or who are slow in understanding! 2Peter 3:9
Surely there is a time limit that God will come and destroy all those who remained ADAMant with their evil deeds! Psalms 37:7-11, Proverbs 2:20-22

¤Benefits of the Application!
Today Jehovah's Witnesses have succeeded in inculcating this theory in the minds of over 8,000,000 inhabitants of the earth many of whom you know in your neighbourhood, they've learnt that it makes no sense trying to solve the problems by using force on other intelligent creatures like themselves {Matthew 26:52} but simply making tactful presentations that could reach their hearts! Hebrews 4:12
*All of them have surrendered their weapons both physical and spiritual, so if everyone is like them NO MORE WARS! Isaiah 2:2-4
*All of them are ready to live under one rule, so throughout the earth they've formed a happy global family of worshipers, no more racism! John 13:34-35
*All of them have agreed that only God's standards can ease our pains NOT politicians, so NONE of them practices politics {that's been leading millions into hating and killing one another}!
*All of them are ready to live exemplary lives in the neighbourhood and not only that, also going to speak peacefully with their neighbours {Matthew 10:3-15}so no room for harboring resentment! Matthew 5:23-24
*All of them are willing to welcome you as a member of the family if you agree with God's standards, so no matter where you may come from you already have fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunties, sons and daughters THROUGHOUT the globe if you become one of Jehovah's Witnesses today! Matthew 10:28-30

Though Satan is so crafty he has blinded billions to all of these {2Corinthians 4:4} but few ones are still finding the TRUTH no matter what Satan does! Matthew 7:13-14
EVEN IF HE HAS ESTABLISHED powerful resistance in their hearts with the use of FALSE RELIGIOUS BELIEVES making them hate us for no just reasons! John 17:14-16

@ Sagenaija
Pls show us any tafsir which says categorically that it was Allah that DECIEVED the people into believing in Jesus crucifixion.
Again tell us the difference between "incomplete knowledge" and the phrase "no certain knowledge".
Furthermore, are you saying god ( which means "ilah" in Arabic language) is synonymous to God (Allah ) ? If they are synonymous, why does Arabic Bible decided to use "Allah" for God and not "ilah" ?

Finally, respond to the submission written below;
Does it even make sense to believe that Jesus was crucified? Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatians 3:13 make it clear that ANY ONE that is hanged is ACCURSED of God. So how could an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God be under the CURSE of the same God ? Is it logical ? Certainly not. This is the reason why the alleged Jesus crucifixion was a STUMBLING BLOCK to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the Gentiles during the time of Paul ( see 1st Corinthians 1:23). It was a stumbling block to the Jews because it is not grounded in their knowledge that the Messiah appointed by God will be crucified and fell under the curse of the same God. Or can you show us where it is written in the Old testament that the coming Messiah will be crucified and fell under the curse of God ?

@ maximus 69
There is one thing you failed to address; the contents of your belief. This is far more important than the "act of worship" you want to use as yardstick to recognize the only true religion from God . There is no way you can render a true worship to God if the CONTENTS OF YOUR BELIEF are wrong. Do you agree?
For example, JWs believe in Jesus as "MASTER WORKER of all creation" (check 'jw.org; who is Jesus Christ' on the internet). In other words , like other Christian denominations, the Jehovah witnesses also believe that God created everything THROUGH Jesus Christ . They believe that God did not directly create anything EXCEPT Jesus. That is to say: God created Jesus, then it was Jesus that created all other things including the heavens and the earth. So according to their claim, Jesus is the immediate Creator of all things. That God created everything through (or by )Jesus Christ is no where to be found in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke. It is only found in the books written by Paul and John;
Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.( 1st Corinthians 8:6).
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH him and for him ( Colossians 1:16).
THROUGH him ALL THINGS WERE MADE ; without him nothing was made that has been made (John 1:3)
But is it really true that God assigned the creation of things, including the heavens and earth, to Jesus christ ? Let see what God Almighty say about this matter ;
"This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF (WHO WAS WITH ME ?) (Isaiah 44:24 KJV, NWT)
"MY OWN HAND laid the foundations of the earth, and MY RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. (Isaiah 48:13)".
It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. MY OWN HANDS stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts (Isaiah 45:12)
"For My HAND made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD ( Isaiah 66:2)
As you can see from above, Paul and John proclaimed that God delegated the creation of all things to Jesus Christ. But God Almighty declare that He created all things ALL ALONE, BY HIMSELF, BY HIS OWN HANDS AND NOBODY WAS WITH HIM. What better words do we want God to use before we can believe that He created the heavens and the earth without the assistance of anybody ? If a man hires a contractor as his agent to build a house, could the man say that he built the house “ALL ALONE” and "BY HIS OWN HANDS" without lying? So could God Almighty have lied about creating the heavens and the earth by His own hands while He actually used another distinct person as His agent to actually do the creation for Him?
Besides, who want to know or care that one true God exist if not for His act of creation? The only reason why we label all the idols as " false gods" is because they did not create anything and that is the reason they do not deserve our worship. Therefore, it is quite true that all the worship and glorification we give to God originate from the fact of being the Creator of all things . In other words, the STRONGEST REASON why God deserve our worship, praises and glory is because He was the one that created us and all other things that exist (See Psalm 95:6, 96:4-5, 139:14, Revelation 4:11, 14:7). Does it now make sense to believe that God assigned the creation of all things to another person given that it is through that very act of creation He deserve our worship and through it we acknowledge His existence ? Hence, if Jehovah witnesses and other Christians rely heavily on the words of Paul and John or any other person and therefore insist that God assigned the creation of all things to Jesus Christ, then Jesus deserve their worship because the reasonable response of the creature is to worship their Creator. Yet, only God deserve to be worship. This is exactly the reason why God would never delegate the creation of things to any other person other than Himself as He clearly stated above: "BY MYSELF( Isaiah 44:24)". In fact, the question at the end of Isaiah 44:24 quoted above - "WHO WAS WITH ME ?" present in some versions of the Bible (including NWT Bible of Jehovah's witnesses) is an indisputable evidence that God did not employ the service of anybody during the creation of the heavens and the earth !
So, like the other Christians, JWs completely get it wrong by believing in Jesus as "master worker of all creation".

sulasa07:

Its just like you buying a physics textbook to read and you open the book and you can't find one single definition of Physics,won't you know the book does not know what its talking about and return the book?

The word Christian appears in the Bible. The people of Antioch called the disciples Christians because their lifestyle was like that of Jesus.

The disciples who are Christians, believed in the divinity, death, resurrection, ascension and the advocacy of Jesus.

I am a Christian and I share this beliefs with them.

Christians practice Christianity.

Pls don't bring this argument up again.

To know a good religion, look at the character and moral standing of who introduced that religion.... Since religion should be about purify and righteousness.

Jesus was born of a virgin....no sexual intercourse produced him. Mohammed?

Jesus lived a life of sanctity. Mohammed?

Jesus performed miracles, healed multitude, cast out demons,...Mohammed?

I will throw a physics textbook away if it was written originally by an illiterate.

I won't even bother reading it even if the word physics appear in every sentence.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus 69
There is one thing you failed to address; the contents of your belief. This is far more important than the "act of worship" you want to use as yardstick to recognize the only true religion from God . There is no way you can render a true worship to God if the CONTENTS OF YOUR BELIEF are wrong. Do you agree?
For example, JWs believe in Jesus as "MASTER WORKER of all creation" (check 'jw.org; who is Jesus Christ' on the internet). In other words , like other Christian denominations, the Jehovah witnesses also believe that God created everything THROUGH Jesus Christ . They believe that God did not directly create anything EXCEPT Jesus. That is to say: God created Jesus, then it was Jesus that created all other things including the heavens and the earth. So according to their claim, Jesus is the immediate Creator of all things. That God created everything through (or by )Jesus Christ is no where to be found in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke. It is only found in the books written by Paul and John;
Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.( 1st Corinthians 8:6).
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH him and for him ( Colossians 1:16).
THROUGH him ALL THINGS WERE MADE ; without him nothing was made that has been made (John 1:3)
But is it really true that God assigned the creation of things, including the heavens and earth, to Jesus christ ? Let see what God Almighty say about this matter ;
"This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF (WHO WAS WITH ME ?) (Isaiah 44:24 KJV, NWT)
"MY OWN HAND laid the foundations of the earth, and MY RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. (Isaiah 48:13)".
It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. MY OWN HANDS stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts (Isaiah 45:12)
"For My HAND made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD ( Isaiah 66:2)
As you can see from above, Paul and John proclaimed that God delegated the creation of all things to Jesus Christ. But God Almighty declare that He created all things ALL ALONE, BY HIMSELF, BY HIS OWN HANDS AND NOBODY WAS WITH HIM. What better words do we want God to use before we can believe that He created the heavens and the earth without the assistance of anybody ? If a man hires a contractor as his agent to build a house, could the man say that he built the house “ALL ALONE” and "BY HIS OWN HANDS" without lying? So could God Almighty have lied about creating the heavens and the earth by His own hands while He actually used another distinct person as His agent to actually do the creation for Him?
Besides, who want to know or care that one true God exist if not for His act of creation? The only reason why we label all the idols as " false gods" is because they did not create anything and that is the reason they do not deserve our worship. Therefore, it is quite true that all the worship and glorification we give to God originate from the fact of being the Creator of all things . In other words, the STRONGEST REASON why God deserve our worship, praises and glory is because He was the one that created us and all other things that exist (See Psalm 95:6, 96:4-5, 139:14, Revelation 4:11, 14:7). Does it now make sense to believe that God assigned the creation of all things to another person given that it is through that very act of creation He deserve our worship and through it we acknowledge His existence ? Hence, if Jehovah witnesses and other Christians rely heavily on the words of Paul and John or any other person and therefore insist that God assigned the creation of all things to Jesus Christ, then Jesus deserve their worship because the reasonable response of the creature is to worship their Creator. Yet, only God deserve to be worship. This is exactly the reason why God would never delegate the creation of things to any other person other than Himself as He clearly stated above: "BY MYSELF( Isaiah 44:24)". In fact, the question at the end of Isaiah 44:24 quoted above - "WHO WAS WITH ME ?" present in some versions of the Bible (including NWT Bible of Jehovah's witnesses) is an indisputable evidence that God did not employ the service of anybody during the creation of the heavens and the earth !
So, like the other Christians, JWs completely get it wrong by believing in Jesus as "master worker of all creation".

Hmmm,
You see what i mean?

Now you're going back to the THEORY instead of focusing on how it has WORKED out!
Please of what significance is it whether Jesus created everything or God created everything?
This is just all about the THEORY!

To illustrate, you have a child and you wanted him to become an engineer, so you went around and found two engineering school. One belonging to an English man and another to a Japanese.

English man presenting his theories with high level of vocabularies, eloquently in speech and motivational in all respect. Of course you'll love your child to learn from his school!

Now a Japanese showed up with his own applications, he's not as eloquent in speech nor motivational like the English man, also claims to be a tutor in engineering.

But you later discovered that it is the Japanese that's producing gadgets that's functional, while the English is only going about with his theories that's of NO PRACTICAL BENEFITS. Which of the two teachers will you entrust with your child for performing as a future engineer? Will you just forget what you can see working simply because of your love for sweet theories, eloquence and motivational speeches?

Well all what you typed up there has boiled down to the same place THE THEORIES!
So let's get used to PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS and BENEFITS because both the composers of the Bible and the Quran aren't our families!

Abdulgaffar22:
Please read the first sentence of my Post. The write-up is only meant for those who have already believed in one and only God.

I like to follow a God that I can believe and have no fear of sword or bomb. It doesn't matter how many they are. Those claiming to serve one God are like cancer to humanity in all their doctrine and practices. One would even think this one God is Satan himself: merciless and blood thirsty demon, of unequalled wickedness of by his slaves

@ maximus 69

If, as you claimed, practical application and benefits of religion is far more important than its theory, why many tracts written by JWs addressed some issues like Trinity, Jesus' divinity, existence of hell etc ? Are they not under theory ? Can someone be a true member of JWs without believing in your NWT BIBLE. Can an atheist who do not believe in God be a true member of JWs ? Can someone who do not believe in holy spirit as an "active force" be a true member of JWs ? Do all these beliefs not part of the THEORY? Now you are telling us to forget about the theory and focus only on practical application and benefits of religion .

Originakalokalo:



People convert from one religion or the other. Being born into one religion is not a factor.

Though the devil makes it very difficult for people to leave some religion, one can still take his chance since eternity is not negotiable.

Of course people convert but the percentage is freaking low compared to people who don't and if you think it not a factor then it means you are not truthful to yourself.
I'll ask again, if you were born into a Muslim family do you think you'd here preaching Jesus or Allah?
The devil has nothing to do with people not wanting to convert from the religion of their parents. It has everything to do with indoctrination. Most people grow up defending the religion they were born into because it is part of their identity.

@ maximus 69

We all know that exposure of female nudity is one of the factors responsible for vices like raping and illegal sexual acts. Therefore any true religion from God must design a WELL KNOWN DRESSING CODE for the females; a dressing code which has the ability to cover their provocative parts. This dressing code is known as HIJAB in Islam. This is one of the practical application and benefits of Islam as regards to reducing the harmful effects of female nudity.
Can you also tell us the name or the type of dressing code that JWs prescribed for the females ?

Abdulgaffar22:

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.( 1st Corinthians 8:6).
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH him and for him ( Colossians 1:16).
THROUGH him ALL THINGS WERE MADE ; without him nothing was made that has been made (John 1:3)
But is it really true that God assigned the creation of things, including the heavens and earth, to Jesus christ ? Let see what God Almighty say about this matter ;
"This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF (WHO WAS WITH ME ?) (Isaiah 44:24 KJV, NWT)
"MY OWN HAND laid the foundations of the earth, and MY RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. (Isaiah 48:13)".
It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. MY OWN HANDS stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts (Isaiah 45:12)
"For My HAND made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD ( Isaiah 66:2)
As you can see from above, Paul and John proclaimed that God delegated the creation of all things to Jesus Christ. But God Almighty declare that He created all things ALL ALONE, BY HIMSELF, BY HIS OWN HANDS AND NOBODY WAS WITH HIM. What better words do we want God to use before we can believe that He created the heavens and the earth without the assistance of anybody ? If a man hires a contractor as his agent to build a house, could the man say that he built the house “ALL ALONE” and "BY HIS OWN HANDS" without lying? So could God Almighty have lied about creating the heavens and the earth by His own hands while He actually used another distinct person as His agent to actually do the creation for Him?
Besides, who want to know or care that one true God exist if not for His act of creation? The only reason why we label all the idols as " false gods" is because they did not create anything and that is the reason they do not deserve our worship. Therefore, it is quite true that all the worship and glorification we give to God originate from the fact of being the Creator of all things . In other words, the STRONGEST REASON why God deserve our worship, praises and glory is because He was the one that created us and all other things that exist (See Psalm 95:6, 96:4-5, 139:14, Revelation 4:11, 14:7). .

I have been following this thread right from the very first day you put it up. The reason I didn't comment earlier in reaction to those logics you stated is because I believe it is by their fruits you will recognise the saints of Yahushua the Messiah. Remember, the saints of Yahushua the Messiah are also the saints of YHVH of Hosts, the Father in heaven.

You see, Abdulgaffar22, as a Moslem you cannot judge my way of life by what your Koran says. And as a follower of Yahushua the Messiah, i, elated177, will not assess your way of life by what my Scriptures say. I can only assess your way of life by what your Qur'an says, if indeed I know what it says.

If the premises of your thread had been love, justice, peace, morality, equity, fairness, freedom and tolerance as espoused by different religions of the world and which religion practises and encourages these virtues, and also the assessment of the followers' adherence to them, then it would have been a valid topic for me to comment.

Again, there is nothing wrong with you coming on this section to proselytise. However, if you think for one single solitary second that you can convert any of the saints of Yahushua the Messiah by attacking the very foundation of his/her belief, you are gravely mistaken. It is just as the following Scriptures say:

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 10:27-29 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall not perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

Therefore, anyone you draw away by this modus operandi was never really a servant of Yahushua the Messiah.

Now to the quoted above. The reason you're saying this is because you do not know/accept/believe the identity of Yahushua the Messiah as the begotten Son of YHVH of Hosts, the Father in heaven and Creator of the ends of the earth. If you did, you would have known that he is one with the Father. John 10:30.

In oder to create anything, YHVH Almighty had to utter a word; that word is Yahushua the Messiah, his begotten Son. So when the Scriptures say Yahushua the Messiah is the Word of the Father, it means exactly that.

YHVH is God and humans are humans. We, as human beings, may not comprehend in totality this mystery. However, what the Father has made possible for us to comprehend, through his Set-apart Spirit, is to enable us worship and obey him.

Deut 29:29 The secret things belong to YHVH our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

Just as we say in Igbo: 'Uwa di omi mi', the world is deep. The mystery of the Father is much deeper and it is not possible to understand everything about him. You see, whatever YHVH of Hosts wants his servants to know, he has revealed in his Scriptures. The followers of YHVH of Hosts can only understand what he has revealed with the help of his Spirit.

Whatever else we do not understand, we must trust him and have sublime faith that he will make us to understand at his own time. Even the apostles and disciples of Yahushua the Messiah did not understand everything that transpired during their time with Yahushua the Messiah until he had resurrected and ascended to heaven.

So, the following Scripture did not mince words in affirming the identity of the Yahushua the Messiah as the Word of YHVH of Hosts. The translators did an excellent job here. Hallelu Yah!

1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, FROM WHOM all things CAME and FOR WHOM we live; and there is one Master, Yahushua the Messiah, THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROUGH WHOM we live.

There is no iota of confusion or ambiguity in the Scripture above.

About worshipping the Master Yahushua the Messiah, read:

Heb 1:6-
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of Elohim worship him.

1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore Elohim, even thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

1:10 And, Thou, YHWH, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

@ elated 177

@ elated 177

If it is true as you claimed that Jesus really deserve worship by quoting Hebrew 1:6-13, then Jesus must be God. This is because only God deserved to be worshipped. Do you agree ?

But do other parts of the Bible support the belief that Jesus is God ? Let us consider the following biblical verses;

In John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said;

“Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

If Jesus is God Almighty, then which God was he referring to when he said ; "my God and your God" ? Can God Almighty have another God?

Also Luke 6:12 says

"He (Jesus) went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God" .

Remember the verse did not say "......and continued all night in prayer to Father". But it says "..... and continued all night in prayer to God"

Now if Jesus is God, who was he praying to ?



Again Mark 10:17-18 says as follows ;

"Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”.

If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and then submit that all goodness belongs only to God?

Again, in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”.

If Jesus is God, why did he confess his lack of knowledge about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to the Father? Can God be lacking anything as regard to knowledge?

Lastly in John 17:3, Jesus was praying to the Father and he said;

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent " .

If Jesus himself was referring to another person (i:e the Father) as the "ONLY true God" , then how could Jesus be God ?
If Jesus did not use the word "ONLY", then hopefully the Christians might still want to argue that Jesus is also another true God just like his Father. However, the word "ONLY" used by Jesus will continue to shatter the hope of those who want to believe that Jesus is God.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus 69

If, as you claimed, practical application and benefits of religion is far more important than its theory, why many tracts written by JWs addressed some issues like Trinity, Jesus' divinity, existence of hell etc ? Are they not under theory ? Can someone be a true member of JWs without believing in your NWT BIBLE. Can an atheist who do not believe in God be a true member of JWs ? Can someone who do not believe in holy spirit as an "active force" be a true member of JWs ? Do all these beliefs not part of the THEORY? Now you are telling us to forget about the theory and focus only on practical application and benefits of religion .

Haaaaaa!
Why are you talking now like someone who lacks reasonableness? I thought we agreed on logical reasoning!
I never said theories aren't part of the process Sir, in fact i actually mentioned three factors :
(1) Theory
(2) Practical Application
(3) Benefits
It is the THEORY that will draw someone's attention before you start learning about how to APPLY such theory then later you'll get the BENIFITS!
All what i'm saying is that all other religions {including atheism} only go about with theories, only Islam presents some forms of applications yet there's no benefits!
It's you now that's trying to say 'this is the theory that i'm used to, so give me this theory first' whereas your theory has been in existence for almost 1,500 years now. Yet it has not been able to unite adherents as one happy global family of worshipers! Unless you can present a Muslim group that's benefiting from the Islamic theories and it's applications globally! All we know about Islam is the theory {Quran and sharia} the application {zaqat} but there is no benefit for adherents other than telling them 'you'll go to heaven'!

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus 69

We all know that exposure of female nudity is one of the factors responsible for vices like raping and illegal sexual acts. Therefore any true religion from God must design a WELL KNOWN DRESSING CODE for the females; a dressing code which has the ability to cover their provocative parts. This dressing code is known as HIJAB in Islam. This is one of the practical application and benefits of Islam as regards to reducing the harmful effects of female nudity.
Can you also tell us the name or the type of dressing code that JWs prescribed for the females ?

Please who are those that aren't having SELF~CONTROL so that women must dress like masquerades? Why not check those who are telling you that God has now chosen their race to educate the world on pure worship? Is it Arabs that can't control themselves at the sight of beautiful women, that you think everyone must think like them?
Because every worshippers of God must be able to control his feelings Sir { Job 31:1} no matter how sexually provocative a woman dresses it shouldn't be a problem for a fully competent and completely equipped servant of God! 2Timothy 3:16-17 Genesis 39:1-9
So if your religion has not been able to eliminate lust in the midst of its adherents then your Islamic THEORY is complete ERROR Sir! Matthew 5:27-30
God never demanded any dress code from his people right from the time of Abel till Jesus, that's another reason why intelligent individuals will never agree that it is that same God that sent Muhammad! Galatians 1:8

@ maximus 69

Pls respond to my last post sent to you up there. The post concerning the female dressing code

@ Abdulgaffar
Please check this two pictures and compare what your so called theory has done within those adhering to it if truthfully you're making any sense with this!

First are Jehovah's Witnesses who believes they're going to get married to a man one day and live the rest of their lives under him as wife!

Second are Prostitutes drinking whiskey and smoking in an Islamic State where your so called hijab is the been APPLIED and PRACTICED!

Please answer this question:
Is the hijab of any worthwhile significance here?

@ maximus 69
Try to be sincere. You wrote ; "you never said theories is not part of the process Sir"

But let me again quote your original statement

"Now you're going back to the THEORY instead of focusing on how it has WORKED out!
Please of what significance is it whether Jesus created everything or God created everything?
This is just all about the THEORY! "

Have you seen how you are contradicting your self ?

I am busy now. I will respond later

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus 69
Try to be sincere. You wrote ; "you never said theories is not part of the process Sir"

But let me again quote your original statement

"Now you're going back to the THEORY instead of focusing on how it has WORKED out!
Please of what significance is it whether Jesus created everything or God created everything?
This is just all about the THEORY! "

Have you seen how you are contradicting your self ?

There is nothing contradicting in what you just quoted Sir!
Theory is what MUST come first but what validates your theory is how applicable it is and benefits to both adherents and neighbours!
Those are Jehovah's Witnesses {single ladies} and it is the JW theories that's keeping them standing NOBODY is forcing them, also those prostitutes are Muslims and it's the Islamic theories that's keeping the hijabs on their bodies! 2Corinthians 1:24
Please i'm not here to expose any religion but i thought you and i are on the same page regarding which religion is true of all the existing ones we're having around today. But if you're not ready for logical reasoning please let's forget about the whole thing.
You can continue with your friends in the arguments but i'm out Sir!
Salam!

Abdulgaffar22:
@ maximus 69


Pls quickly present your logical reason to recognize the only true religion approved by God. I will be very glad to see it

This was our agreement, and you too can see that even atheists aren't coming closer because these logic of THEORY~ PRACTICAL APPLICATION ~ BENEFITS has exposed the worthlessness and futility of their self acclaimed theories !
So it's left to you, whether to try the Jehovah's Witnesses theories and the application for your own benefit and those in your neighbourhood.
Or
Stick to the Islamic theory you're used to.
But be rest assured that the topic of discuss is 'logic to recognize the only true religion from God'

The Bible is just like a book full of THEORIES and you must learn the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS from the representatives of the author {Jehovah's Witnesses} so that you too can BENEFIT yourself and all those close to you! Isaiah 48:17-18 compared to 1Timothy 4:16
Thank you Sir!

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Sagenaija
Pls show us any tafsir which says categorically that it was Allah that DECIEVED the people into believing in Jesus crucifixion.
Again tell us the difference between "incomplete knowledge" and the phrase "no certain knowledge".
Furthermore, are you saying god ( which means "ilah" in Arabic language) is synonymous to God (Allah ) ? If they are synonymous, why does Arabic Bible decided to use "Allah" for God and not "ilah" ?

Finally, respond to the submission written below;
Does it even make sense to believe that Jesus was crucified? Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatians 3:13 make it clear that ANY ONE that is hanged is ACCURSED of God. So how could an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God be under the CURSE of the same God ? Is it logical ? Certainly not. This is the reason why the alleged Jesus crucifixion was a STUMBLING BLOCK to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the Gentiles during the time of Paul ( see 1st Corinthians 1:23). It was a stumbling block to the Jews because it is not grounded in their knowledge that the Messiah appointed by God will be crucified and fell under the curse of the same God. Or can you show us where it is written in the Old testament that the coming Messiah will be crucified and fell under the curse of God ?

1.Ibn 'Abbas on 4:157

(And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger) Allah destroyed their man Tatianos. (They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them) Allah made Tatianos look like Jesus and so they killed him instead of him; (and lo! those who disagree concerning it) concerning his killing (are in doubt thereof) in doubt about his killing; (they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture) not even conjecture; (they slew him not for certain) i.e. certainly they did not kill him. (Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas on 4:157)

2. INCOMPLETE means not complete. It means lacking some part : not finished: not complete. In this current issue it would mean having some measure of knowledge but not complete knowledge.
NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE is just what it says:  none; nothing. No sure knowledge.

3. What did you say "illah" is? God.
What do you say "Allah" is? God.
But why do you insist on using "Allah"? Because it is the personal name of the God of Islam.
Hope that answers you on that.

4. Isaiah 53 clearly show that the Messiah would make the ultimate sacrifice and die for our sins.

5. God is righteous and must deal with sin. Every one born from Adam is sinful and cannot rescue mankind from sin. Jesus was sinless. He therefore qualified to rescue mankind from the sin problem. He did this on the cross.
Does payment for sin make sense? Yes
Can sinful man corrupted by sin do anything to rescue himself? No
So, you can see where Jesus's work of salvation is pivotal to man's eternity.

@maximus69
I have some questions for you;
1. Are you 100% sure that those females drinking alcohol and smoking cigarette are real Muslims and they are not wearing the hijabs to tarnish the image of Islam ?
2. Even if we assume that they are Muslims, then is it reasonable and logical to condemn a certain religious practice base on the few number of its adherents that MISUSE the practice ? Or is it not reasonable and logical to condemn a school teacher due to a few number of students that FAILED his subject ?
3. Are you 100% sure that all the members of JWs throughout the world stick to all the moral principles taught in the Bible ?
4. If you think you can control your sexual urge on seeing the females that dress provocatively, then is it not better for those females to wear hijabs in the midst of many rapists that lack such control ?
5. Which of the two sets of women you posted up there will be more attractive and seductive to the weak-hearted men ? Or was it in the divine plan that the whole humanity will become JWs that possessed 100% immunity against women temptation as you claimed ?
Pls answer all these questions.
However, contrary to what to you believe, Qur'an is not the first religious scripture that recommend the use of hijabs for the females. There were some chaste women in the Bible who also adopted the practices. Read the verses below;
"Then Rebekah lifted her eyes, and when she saw Isaac she dismounted from her camel; for she had said to the servant, “Who is this man walking in the field to meet us?” The servant said, “It is my master.” So she took A VEIL and COVERED herself ( Genesis 24:64-65).
See below how Pulpit Commentary also described this very veil took by Rebekah;
"the cloak-like veil of Arabia" (Keil), which covers not merely the face, but, "like a kind of large wrapper, nearly the whole form, rendering it impossible to recognize the person

@Sagenaija
You wrote;
"Does payment for sin make sense? Yes".


My reply;
Yes payment for sin make sense. But if and only if the payment for that sin was made by a RIGHTEOUS ACT AND NOT BY ANOTHER SINFUL ACT THAT IS MUCH MORE GREATER .
After all, if Adam's eating the forbidden fruit was enough to condemn all the future generations of human being, then would not the brutal killing of the innocent and righteous son of God on the cross do the same and even much, much more?
God commanded Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit (Genesis 3:3), but he ate it and therefore, he committed a SINFUL ACT.
Similarly, God commanded the children of Adam not to kill an innocent and righteous human being deliberately ( Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18), but they allegedly killed him and therefore, they committed an act of MURDER which is also a SINFUL ACT.
Consequently, HERE ARE TWO SINFUL ACTS that need to be paid for
Therefore, ONE SINFUL ACT ( which itself also need payment) CAN NEVER PAY FOR ANOTHER SINFUL ACT.
IT IS ONLY AN ACT OF PURE RIGHTEOUSNESS [ like animal sacrifice, sincere repentance, fasting, devotional prayer, giving of charity, showing mercy to the poor, forgiving other's people faults etc] ( which themselves do not need any payment) THAT CAN PAY FOR SINFUL ACTS.
We all know that human sacrifice (which can also be called 'murder') i:e killing an innocent and righteous human being in a deliberate manner is a SINFUL ACT that violate divine justice. This is the reason why God forbid it (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18) . Therefore, God Almighty can NEVER use such a SINFUL ACT(which Himself has forbidden and which itself also need payment) to pay for the sin committed by Adam and, let alone, all the SINFUL ACTS of humanity. This is EXACTLY the place where Christianity get it wrong .
In other words, God Almighty who says: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed on the cross of Calvary before the humanity can be entitled to His forgiveness".




Again, you wrote;
"Can sinful man corrupted by sin do anything to rescue himself? No"




My reply;
Yes it can do something to rescue himself even WITHOUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS BEING SHED ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY .
See what he can do to rescue himself directly from God's mouth;
"The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. But if a wicked man TURNS (i:e REPENTS) from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS which he has committed shall be remembered against him; Because of the RIGHTEOUSNESS which he has done, HE SHALL LIVE. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should TURN FROM HIS WAYS AND LIVE ? (Ezekiel 18:20-23)".
Did God mention blood in all these verses ? No!
Similarly, in the Qur'an, God says;
And verily, I forgive sins unto any one who REPENTS and attains to faith and does RIGHTEOUS DEEDS, and thereafter keeps to the right path (Qur'an 20:82).
Again, see the evidence from unadulterated words of Jesus:
I CAME not call the righteous but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE; (i:e Jesus did not come to die for the sinners but to call the sinners to repentance) (Luke 5:32).

Have you now agreed that there is no need for God to use the brutal killing of the innocent and the righteous soul ( like Jesus) to pay for the sins of the sinners; it is the sinner that will pay for his own sin by SINCERE REPENTANCE ( i:e TURNING FROM HIS SINFUL WAYS).

Abdulgaffar22:
@maximus69
I have some questions for you;
1. Are you 100% sure that those females drinking alcohol and smoking cigarette are real Muslims and they are not wearing the hijabs to tarnish the image of Islam ?
2. Even if we assume that they are Muslims, then is it reasonable and logical to condemn a certain religious practice base on the few number of its adherents that MISUSE the practice ? Or is it not reasonable and logical to condemn a school teacher due to a few number of students that FAILED his subject ?
3. Are you 100% sure that all the members of JWs throughout the world stick to all the moral principles taught in the Bible ?
4. If you think you can control your sexual urge on seeing the females that dress provocatively, then is it not better for those females to wear hijabs in the midst of many rapists that lack such control ?
5. Which of the two sets of women you posted up there will be more attractive and seductive to the weak-hearted men ? Or was it in the divine plan that the whole humanity will become JWs that possessed 100% immunity against women temptation as you claimed ?
Pls answer all these questions.
However, contrary to what to you believe, Qur'an is not the first religious scripture that recommend the use of hijabs for the females. There were some chaste women in the Bible who also adopted the practices. Read the verses below;
"Then Rebekah lifted her eyes, and when she saw Isaac she dismounted from her camel; for she had said to the servant, “Who is this man walking in the field to meet us?” The servant said, “It is my master.” So she took A VEIL and COVERED herself ( Genesis 24:64-65).
See below how Pulpit Commentary also described this very veil took by Rebekah;
"the cloak-like veil of Arabia" (Keil), which covers not merely the face, but, "like a kind of large wrapper, nearly the whole form, rendering it impossible to recognize the person

You're very very funny Walahi Talahi! So women dressed fully in hijabs can just do so simply because they want to tarnish the image of who?
For God's sake Abdulgaffar, that is the picture of prostitutes awaiting their customers in an hotel, and according to the rules in that country, females must dress up in hijabs! My question is of what significance is the hijab if those putting it on are allowed to use it for prostituting but ordinary chaste females should not dress freely in their community?
All other questions are based on one topic :Covering of the body parts by females to protect them from males having loosed sexual urges!

Remember i never thought of this from the onset, we were only deliberating on simple logic to recognize the only true religion from God!
But let's address the issue of the hijab with more stringent measures!

First of all you should know that it's not only women that are victims of male rapists with uncontrolled sexual urges. Males are also having the same problem with some females who finds it difficult to control their urge as well! Genesis 39:7
I worked with the military intelligence for years and i've learnt that it's not all males that are strong enough to protect themselves from females who are rapists.Female soldiers, wrestlers, acrobats, body builders do rape weak males as well!
So what should the males do in this case?

God knows the havoc caused by humans whose mentality have degraded to uncontrolled emotions and feelings, so he is ready to help them reason that such is not appropriate for normal humans.
It's lack of control on the part of humans that has led to stealing, murder, drunkenness, witchcraft, fornication, adultery, envy, hatred, sects, RAPE and so on, and that is where the THEORY comes in!
According to the theory of the Bible humans were created in God's image, so unlike animals that do force themyselves for mating, humans are supposed to behave intelligently in all respect. This is the THEORY Jehovah's Witnesses inculcates in the minds of all adherents of our faith, so whoever is lacking in anyway regarding SELF CONTROL no doubt knows that he is not behaving like the creature made in God's image!
Unlike Muslims who finds it difficult to agree with the term 'sons and daughters of God' due to their own theory, true Christians are absorbed in this concept so that we present ourselves before all peoples as God's children!

@maxumus69

I thought you will take your time to answer those questions one by one. Since you just lumped every thing together, let put an end to this argument and await the day we will all meet in the sight of God. But TWO FACTS I know for sure ;

1. God is not the author of contradiction; God Almighty who says ; "An innocent and righteous human being MUST NOT be deliberately killed (Exodus 20:13, Matthew 19:18)" would NOT LATER CONTRADICT HIMSELF by saying: "An innocent and righteous human being MUST be deliberately killed on the cross of Calvary before the humanity can gain eternal life".
You may want to argue again that this is just a THEORY. But you have to remember that believing in the work of Christ on the CROSS is one of the foundational pillars upon which the edifice of CHRISTENDOM is erected. If there is a problem with this very PILLAR, all your practical application and benefits amount to NOTHING! It will be like a beautiful mansion that was built on a very WEAK FOUNDATION which is bound to collapse sooner or later.
2. If it is TRUE THAT JESUS WAS SENT TO BOTH THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES, then Jesus' statement directed to that Canaanite woman in Matthew 15:24 should have been: IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES or something similar in meaning rather than “I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Why did Jesus have to say such a statement if he was truly sent to the entire world to die for our salvation ?
There is NO ANY VERSE in the Qur'an which says Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) or his companions were sent ONLY to the Arabs. But see how the Bible categorically declared that Jesus (pbuh) was sent ONLY to the Israelites; I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL ( Matthew 15:24) and see how Qur’an declared that Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to ALL MANKIND; " AND WE HAVE NOT SENT YOU (O Muhammad-pbuh) EXCEPT AS A GIVER OF GLAD TIDINGS AND AS A WARNER TO ALL MANKIND (Qur’an 34:28)"
I swear by Allah these TWO FACTS always make mind to be at rest when it comes to issue of choosing between Islam and Christendom.
Hopefully, this will be my last post to you on this thread. Pls continue with your Jehovah witnessing. I will continue with my Islam. Thank you

Abdulgaffar22:
@maximus69
5. Which of the two sets of women you posted up there will be more attractive and seductive to the weak-hearted men ? Or was it in the divine plan that the whole humanity will become JWs that possessed 100% immunity against women temptation as you claimed ?

This another point that the Bible's THEORY addressed!
It's not how men or women dresses that's the problem here but the intentions of the heart of each individual! Matthew 15:13-20

Those Jehovah's Witnesses are in the midst of people who highly value self control, while those wearing hijabs are in the midst of people who lacks self control! So instead of imposing the thoughts of those loosed Arabs{who can't control themselves} on everyone, why not think of helping them to change their barbaric traits?

I have been a Muslim before and i know that according to the theory of Islam 'None Muslims will not gain Paradise' Quran 21:105 compared to Psalms 37:29

So you need not argue that it's ONLY faithful worshippers all having one single line of thought regarding sacred services will be allowed in Paradise! 1Corinthians 1:10

Abdulgaffar22:
@maxumus69

I know how you're feeling right now, because that's exactly the same way i felt when i first learnt that there is a form of worship having stronger power of reasoning than Islam!
I had sleepless nights for days but i later concluded in my mind that i'm the one who actually opened the door for reasonableness so it will be stupidity on my part if i now closed it just to block further enlightenment!

Muhammad was right for one thing!
He could reason that there was something wrong with the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church{the ONLY pagan religion parading themselves as Christians after the execution of all pioneers of true Christianity} but he couldn't just get all the answers alone without meeting the true Christians who are now free to preach and teach people exactly what Jesus of Nazareth taught as the Witnesses of JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!