sino:


Please show me where I disrespected his family...

You wouldn't see me mock atheist on the religious section or see me create topics there for arguments or for mockery, any form of mockery (which I doubt) would most likely be as a result of an atheist being obnoxious on this section which is always obvious from the responses of most atheists to topics that do not concern them. It is a common saying that "respect is reciprocal"... Yes there are Muslims who do this, argue badly, insult and mock, but that isn't what Islam teaches...

Yeah right.

Please, what is the meaning of mushrikun?

tintingz:


In the Qur'an we read Allah calling disbelievers loosers, fools, damned, hell dwellers and degrading their Gods and beliefs, we also read Muhammad cursing the disbelievers in the Hadiths.

Muhammad even entered the Kaaba shrine and destroyed the Gods of the people, what do you call that?

You are shifting goalpost uncle. You said "Your religion" in your initial submission. I pointed out that our religion doesn't teach us to insult people's beliefs. You changed to Allah! Is Allah and your religion the same?!

Is insult not different from destroy?! Do you need basic comprehension class ni?!

tintingz:
This is not in my premises in this thread but let go on.

Do you even know what painting a scenario means?!

tintingz:
Being deluded is not an insult, it's actually what the person is if he/she demonstrated such.

Deluded means believing something that is not true but what people to believe it's true.

So I don't see any reason my family are excluded from this if they actually demonstrated this.

I never claimed being deluded is an insult. I was simply painting a scenario. @ bold, it is not if they actually demonstrated it. Don't your Muslim family members believe in all what you accused muslims of here?! You have defined the meaning of deluded yourself, don't your family members fit into that definition cos of their beliefs in Allah and Quran?! Be sincere with yourself.

tintingz:
But then the argument here is not about my family, this is a red herring, ad hominem and non-sequitur fallacy.

They are in this too bro. Why? Cos they are muslims too. You are laying your claims on all MUSLIMS remember?! It is not ad hominem cos nobody has insulted them except if you do indirectly from your posts! It is funny that you get enraged when your family is mentioned (not for abuse, we respect these noble people). But you mock and ridicule what people hold in high esteem than family! Our creator! What type of fallacy is that?!

tintingz:
Yes of course they can engage in it since it is a dogma.

Really?! SubhanAllah! So you actually believe that your family members can beat their wives, trade slaves, engage in paedophilia cos it is normal for them and it is a dogma?! Enire lo!!

Then, from this argument of yours, we can deduct that you can also engage in homosexuality since it is normal to you! And sino was asking you if you can engage in homosexuality, you are screaming "I am not gay". But here you are, saying your blessed Muslim family members can beat their wives. SubhanAllah!

tintingz:
My argument is actually about Islamic dogmatism.
Every Muslim believe in the Quran which is divine and the absolute law to them, so where am I wrong here.

You are wrong when you start with "EVERY MUSLIM" and you didn't mention Islam dogmatism initially. You started with muslims doing this, muslims going that. Muslims, Quran and Islam aren't the same thing!

Yes, Quran is divine and absolute but muslims' understanding of it is not. Because some muslims still have some weird interpretations of Quran doesn't mean that's what the Quran or Islam means.

tintingz:
If they aren't following it, at least they would be cool with it. Every damn believe and practice in the Qur'an is normal to Muslims, whether they practice it or not it's still normal to them.

Slave trading isn't normal to muslims!
Wife beating isn't normal to muslims!
Paedophilia isn't normal to muslims!
Same muslims aren't cool with wife beating!
Sane muslims don't trade slaves. In fact, Islam is the religion that abolish slave trade and even make it a religious act for freeing slaves!

tintingz:
But Allah still command Muslim men to beat their wives in the Qur'an. It's a dogma that can used to justify this action.

You don't understand what you are quoting. It would be a waste of time trying to explain to you. I have been there before. You guys just jumped the precautions that preceded the so-called "beating" and cling on to that.

The person whom the Quran was revealed NEVER beat his wives. In fact, Allah claimed that he had the best of examples for muslims (Surah Al Qalam and Surah Al Ahzaab). He left his home cos of some behaviour displayed by his wives! Peace and blessings be upon my beloved.

tintingz:
Let me make things clear to you.

Atheism is the lack in beliefs in God while theist is the believe in God, two positions against each other, since theists go about saying God exist, atheists then demand proof of this God that exist reason we have philosophical arguments in religion section.

So it's not about atheists arguing on what that doesn't exist, it simply asking for the proof of God theists claim he exist. Simple.

Are you ready to accept proofs?! AlBaqir posted a video (an interesting debate) on how Hamzah Andreas Tzortiz explained logically the existence of God. The guy destroyed your atheist president. I expected the president to refute his logical argument with sound argument, but he just moved on! I expect you as a foot solider to refute his argument in that video, yet you ignored it and focus on another thing. Formulae dodge e

tintingz:

Religions are public matters, anything that as to do with public is open for criticism, some criticism may intentionally be insulting while some is not intentionally but appear insulting and mocking but whatever it is, to criticize has to go down many roads, mocking, insulting etc as regard free speech.

Have you heard of constructive criticism and destructive criticism before? You guys do the latter. Thank goodness, you admit that it is free speech. At least, nobody is pointing a gun at you to type all what you type, I hope you would be able to defend all the "free speeches" in front of your creator one day!

Yes, religions are public matter and they aren't free from being criticised. But when people are engrossed with the criticism, it is something else. It shows there's something that's disturbing you in your heart about God and the reason for the obsession. Deep down inside you, you know something isn't right but you are trying to kill it by arguing and arguing.

JeromeBlack:



Yeah right.

Please, what is the meaning of mushrikun?

Polytheists.

lanrexlan:
You guys don't get and understand the logic Tintingz is proposing. Lemme break it down for you.

Scenario 1
Proposition 1 (according to tintingz): MUSLIMS are deluded.
Propostion 2: Tintingz's family are MUSLIMS.

From the above propositions, we can deduce logically that tintingz's family are deluded cos according to tintingz himself, ALL muslims are deluded (including myself and my family).

Scenario 2
Proposition 1 (according to tintingz): MUSLIMS consider wife beating, slave trading et al as NORMAL.
Proposition 2: tintingz has muslims in his family.
Analogical logical deduction: Muslims from tintingz family would have engaged in such acts he accused all muslims of since those acts are NORMAL in the Muslim world!

Before you come online and make silly and haste generalisation, consider the effects that come with it. People who live in glass houses don't throw stones!

Is logic hard for you guys? If something is normal in the Muslim world, then bulk (if not all) of muslims should be following and implentimg those things that are considered as norms! If they aren't following it, at least they would be cool with it.

The wife beating matter, the Prophet who got revelation from his Lord NEVER beat any of his wives. We didn't read such in the caliphs and our Imaams lives! Even in the contemporary world of muslim scholars, I haven't seen anyone who beats his wife and justify it with the Quran! Since we have run out of examples, maybe he (tintingz) can help us out with examples of close Muslim relatives of his would have engaged in such norms that he accused the entire Muslim world of! At least, charity begins at home!

Funny thing is that the people who beat their wives don't know about the Quran and those who know and understand the ayah don't beat their wives!




Mock atheists?! Insulting beliefs is different from insulting personalities. I do agree that arguments can get rowdy and people through jibes at one another. But, do atheists have a set of beliefs?! So which beliefs of the atheists are muslims mocking?!

We are here in Islam section, enjoying and discussing about our deen. An atheist comes in and starts to mock and ridicule what he doesn't believe in! Does that makes sense to you?! For example, I don't believe in leprechaun, Santa Claus or FSM, then I open a thread and invite my Muslim brothers. Then we begin to argue and debunk the beliefs of FSM, saying Santa Claus is a sadist, he is bigot and other unprintable words you guys have used on God! But we don't even believe Santa Claus nor leprechaun exist, this is a belief we don't hold! Is that not stupidity?! Why would we arguing something that doesn't exist and we don't believe in?!

Atheists don't believe in God, but most of you guys spend hours and days trying to debunk, ridicule and mock something you don't believe to exist! What do we call that? How do you guys sound to yourself?

You wanna discuss, you discuss. If you wanna mock and ridicule people's beliefs, then don't expect a pat on your back.

All your long epistle of words mean nothing.

There was no need to bring up tintingz family. Many atheists come from religious homes. That doesn't mean that everytime they criticise religion, you refer to their family. For all you know, tintingz family could be westernized secular muslims.

Furthermore, tintingz was not talking about all muslims when it comes to slavery and incest. Not all muslims defend such like Empiree.



As for atheists,it is you muslims (and Christians) that force your religions on us. Do you think that atheists living in the north like sharia law? Do you think atheists like it when they are deemed to be terrorists by Saudi Arabian law?

Just even look at this section, a disgrace to equality. The owner had to create it out of fear of Islamic threats.

sino:


You can just imagine how they became defensive and claiming disrespect because I asked questions, I did not insult anyone or make mockery. People would come online and be forming mr logic and intellect spewing nonsense they dare not say to their folks at home, but you see the excuse, free speech! no need for respect, courtesy or diplomacy, you are just free to talk anyhow and yet they will still claim to have morality...

Brother of mine, the thing tire me wallah. I need to reread your post and see if I missed out where the insult was. Simple question and answer. If you asked that question, I would gladly answer cos I don't have anything to hide.

The internet has made it easy for every Tom, dick and harry to have an opinion on issues that they don't even have foundational knowledge on!! Google is the new scholar, rubbish!

Even a mad man and a young child knows that morality is not what these folks are championing for.

sino:


Polytheists.

Very good. Now, how are they treated in the Quran and hadiths?

lanrexlan:
Brother of mine, the thing tire me wallah. I need to reread your post and see if I missed out where the insult was. Simple question and answer. If you asked that question, I would gladly answer cos I don't have anything to hide.

The internet has made it easy for every Tom, dick and harry to have an opinion on issues that they don't even have foundational knowledge on!! Google is the new scholar, rubbish!

Even a mad man and a young child knows that morality is not what these folks are championing for.

Do you even know what morality is?

Islamic morality in the form of sharia is one of the most deficient codifications of morality

tintingz:
It seems you haven't seen a drug addict behavior before.

If only you know.

tintingz:
Are you keeping your nonsense to yourself?

Have ever seen me promulgating my nonsense?

JeromeBlack:




All your long epistle of words mean nothing.

There was no need to bring up tintingz family. Many atheists come from religious homes. That doesn't mean that everytime they criticise religion, you refer to their family. For all you know, tintingz family could be westernized secular muslims.

Oshey tintingz mouthpiece. Be guessing for him. According to him, his dad is an Imaam and he has "studied" the Quran.
They are criticising the followers of religion too and their families are there too! Charity begins at home.

JeromeBlack:

Furthermore, tintingz was not talking about all muslims when it comes to slavery and incest. Not all muslims defend such like Empiree.

You are speaking against what he said. Empiree doesn't defend incest. In fact, the atheist brother of yours you are defending says he has no problem with incest provided that they don't procreate!! Awo lo!

JeromeBlack:


As for atheists,it is you muslims (and Christians) that force your religions on us. Do you think that atheists living in the north like sharia law? Do you think atheists like it when they are deemed to be terrorists by Saudi Arabian law?

How do they force their religions on you?! They preach, you preach. You insult their beliefs, they don't insult your beliefs.

Sharia law in the north are for muslims only. I remember that there is a news about Kano hisbah police arresting people eating in Ramadan. You guys were quick to respond that they are arresting non-Muslims when in fact, they were arresting muslims!

JeromeBlack:


Just even look at this section, a disgrace to equality. The owner had to create it out of fear of Islamic threats.

That's the owner's problem and not ours! How does this relates to atheism and the discuss?! You need help bro. I am having the feeling that you are that guy with many monikers

JeromeBlack:


Very good. Now, how are they treated in the Quran and hadiths?

They are butchered, their heads on spikes in every street and market place, their eyes plucked out and their blood used for bathing!

I'm sure you do have access to the Qur'an, would't it be nice if you could share what you have found?!

lanrexlan:
Do you even know what painting a scenario means?!

I never claimed being deluded is an insult. I was simply painting a scenario. @ bold, it is not if they actually demonstrated it. Don't your Muslim family members believe in all what you accused muslims of here?! You have defined the meaning of deluded yourself, don't your family members fit into that definition cos of their beliefs in Allah and Quran?! Be sincere with yourself.




They are in this too bro. Why? Cos they are muslims too. You are laying your claims on all MUSLIMS remember?! It is not ad hominem cos nobody has insulted them except if you do indirectly from your posts! It is funny that you get enraged when your family is mentioned (not for abuse, we respect these noble people). But you mock and ridicule what people hold in high esteem than family! Our creator! What type of fallacy is that?!

Really?! SubhanAllah! So you actually believe that your family members can beat their wives, trade slaves, engage in paedophilia cos it is normal for them and it is a dogma?! Enire lo!!

Then, from this argument of yours, we can deduct that you can also engage in homosexuality since it is normal to you! And sino was asking you if you can engage in homosexuality, you are screaming "I am not gay". But here you are, saying your blessed Muslim family members can beat their wives. SubhanAllah!

You are wrong when you start with "EVERY MUSLIM" and you didn't mention Islam dogmatism initially. You started with muslims doing this, muslims going that. Muslims, Quran and Islam aren't the same thing!

Yes, Quran is divine and absolute but muslims' understanding of it is not. Because some muslims still have some weird interpretations of Quran doesn't mean that's what the Quran or Islam means.

Slave trading isn't normal to muslims!
Wife beating isn't normal to muslims!
Paedophilia isn't normal to muslims!
Same muslims aren't cool with wife beating!
Sane muslims don't trade slaves. In fact, Islam is the religion that abolish slave trade and even make it a religious act for freeing slaves!


You don't understand what you are quoting. It would be a waste of time trying to explain to you. I have been there before. You guys just jumped the precautions that preceded the so-called "beating" and cling on to that.

The person whom the Quran was revealed NEVER beat his wives. In fact, Allah claimed that he had the best of examples for muslims (Surah Al Qalam and Surah Al Ahzaab). He left his home cos of some behaviour displayed by his wives! Peace and blessings be upon my beloved.


Are you ready to accept proofs?! AlBaqir posted a video (an interesting debate) on how Hamzah Andreas Tzortiz explained logically the existence of God. The guy destroyed your atheist president. I expected the president to refute his logical argument with sound argument, but he just moved on! I expect you as a foot solider to refute his argument in that video, yet you ignored it and focus on another thing. Formulae dodge e

Have you heard of constructive criticism and destructive criticism before? You guys do the latter. Thank goodness, you admit that it is free speech. At least, nobody is pointing a gun at you to type all what you type, I hope you would be able to defend all the "free speeches" in front of your creator one day!

Yes, religions are public matter and they aren't free from being criticised. But when people are engrossed with the criticism, it is something else. It shows there's something that's disturbing you in your heart about God and the reason for the obsession. Deep down inside you, you know something isn't right but you are trying to kill it by arguing and arguing.

Thank you, brother.

sino:


They are butchered, their heads on spikes in every street and market place, their eyes plucked out and their blood used for bathing!

I'm sure you do have access to the Qur'an, would't it be nice if you could share what you have found?!

I knew that you could never answer the question.

JeromeBlack:


I knew that you could never answer the question.

Yeah, and you are too lazy to quote the Qur'an and show me what you have found that I am not willing to share?!

sino:


Yeah, and you are too lazy to quote the Qur'an and show me what you have found that I am not willing to share?!

No need.

lanrexlan:
You guys don't get and understand the logic Tintingz is proposing. Lemme break it down for you.

Scenario 1
Proposition 1 (according to tintingz): MUSLIMS are deluded.
Propostion 2: Tintingz's family are MUSLIMS.

From the above propositions, we can deduce logically that tintingz's family are deluded cos according to tintingz himself, ALL muslims are deluded (including myself and my family).

Scenario 2
Proposition 1 (according to tintingz): MUSLIMS consider wife beating, slave trading et al as NORMAL.
Proposition 2: tintingz has muslims in his family.
Analogical logical deduction: Muslims from tintingz family would have engaged in such acts he accused all muslims of since those acts are NORMAL in the Muslim world!

Before you come online and make silly and haste generalisation, consider the effects that come with it. People who live in glass houses don't throw stones!

Is logic hard for you guys? If something is normal in the Muslim world, then bulk (if not all) of muslims should be following and implentimg those things that are considered as norms! If they aren't following it, at least they would be cool with it.

The wife beating matter, the Prophet who got revelation from his Lord NEVER beat any of his wives. We didn't read such in the caliphs and our Imaams lives! Even in the contemporary world of muslim scholars, I haven't seen anyone who beats his wife and justify it with the Quran! Since we have run out of examples, maybe he (tintingz) can help us out with examples of close Muslim relatives of his would have engaged in such norms that he accused the entire Muslim world of! At least, charity begins at home!

Funny thing is that the people who beat their wives don't know about the Quran and those who know and understand the ayah don't beat their wives!




Mock atheists?! Insulting beliefs is different from insulting personalities. I do agree that arguments can get rowdy and people through jibes at one another. But, do atheists have a set of beliefs?! So which beliefs of the atheists are muslims mocking?!

We are here in Islam section, enjoying and discussing about our deen. An atheist comes in and starts to mock and ridicule what he doesn't believe in! Does that makes sense to you?! For example, I don't believe in leprechaun, Santa Claus or FSM, then I open a thread and invite my Muslim brothers. Then we begin to argue and debunk the beliefs of FSM, saying Santa Claus is a sadist, he is bigot and other unprintable words you guys have used on God! But we don't even believe Santa Claus nor leprechaun exist, this is a belief we don't hold! Is that not stupidity?! Why would we arguing something that doesn't exist and we don't believe in?!

Atheists don't believe in God, but most of you guys spend hours and days trying to debunk, ridicule and mock something you don't believe to exist! What do we call that? How do you guys sound to yourself?

You wanna discuss, you discuss. If you wanna mock and ridicule people's beliefs, then don't expect a pat on your back.

When you read comments by atheists on here chirping about logic you'd think they know a tad bit about it—alas!—they don't even know the definition of logic, much less how it works, which is what you get when you read with the sole aim of making a nuisance of yourself everywhere.

lanrexlan:
You are shifting goalpost uncle. You said "Your religion" in your initial submission. I pointed out that our religion doesn't teach us to insult people's beliefs. You changed to Allah! Is Allah and your religion the same?!

Is your religion not all about "God"?

Is insult not different from destroy?! Do you need basic comprehension class ni?!

Destroying something intentionally is an insultive act to the owner.

aadoiza:

When you read comments by atheists on here chirping about logic you'd think they know a tad bit about it—alas!—they don't even know the definition of logic, much less how it works, which is what you get when you read with the sole aim of making a nuisance of yourself everywhere.

My brother, the issue with most of these folks is that they don't have foundational knowledge of many of these things they are discussing seriously. They read about it online and think they have arrived. It is a shame that google has given every damn buddy a say on internet.

tintingz:
Is your religion not all about "God"?

Destroying something intentionally is an insultive act to the owner.

You are grasping straws egbon. One thing about you is that it is hard for you to admit you are wrong. It is not new to me!

Allah is different from Islam. One is the Supreme being, the other is a way of life. Get that into your skull! Islam is not ALL about God. It is about God, relationship with fellow humans, it is about politics, business, transactions and many more!

You are trying hard to change your initial submission to sound brilliant but it is dead on arrival! And please, get yourself a dictionary to ascertain and correspond how insult and destroy tally with each other. I can't help your comprehension problem bros.

Abeg free me

lanrexlan:
Do you even know what painting a scenario means?!

Yes

Do you know what red herring means?

I never claimed being deluded is an insult. I was simply painting a scenario. @ bold, it is not if they actually demonstrated it. Don't your Muslim family members believe in all what you accused muslims of here?! You have defined the meaning of deluded yourself, don't your family members fit into that definition cos of their beliefs in Allah and Quran?! Be sincere with yourself.

Your painting of scenario does not follow the premises.

Of course yes, if my family believed in this dogmas they are deluded, no exceptions.

They are in this too bro. Why? Cos they are muslims too. You are laying your claims on all MUSLIMS remember?! It is not ad hominem cos nobody has insulted them except if you do indirectly from your posts! It is funny that you get enraged when your family is mentioned (not for abuse, we respect these noble people). But you mock and ridicule what people hold in high esteem than family! Our creator! What type of fallacy is that?!

Like I said the problem I've have is the dogma, this the bedrock that influence Muslims.

Now, we're having arguments as regard the premises talking about what's normal and what's not, what constitutes normal in a society and what influenced people normalcy but suddenly Mr Sino started asking questions concerning my personal life when I didn't ask about his own personal life, is that even irrelevant in the argument, must he mention my family? Why can't he just focus on the argument on Muslims dogmas?

If you miss the premise, here is the link,
https://www.nairaland.com/5238767/islams-position-homosexuality/6#79552230

Really?! SubhanAllah! So you actually believe that your family members can beat their wives, trade slaves, engage in paedophilia cos it is normal for them and it is a dogma?! Enire lo!!

My family are no exception, it's all about the dogma, this(wife beating, slave trade, Paedophilia) doesn't contradict the Islamic dogma/Allah's rules.

Then, from this argument of yours, we can deduct that you can also engage in homosexuality since it is normal to you! And sino was asking you if you can engage in homosexuality, you are screaming "I am not gay". But here you are, saying your blessed Muslim family members can beat their wives. SubhanAllah!

Homosexuality to me is normal because it's part of nature and part of sexual orientation, this does not mean I should be gay, I'm not gay because my sexual orientation from birth is heterosexual.

My sexual orientation does not negate the nature of Homosexuality or I will be committing appealing to nature fallacy.

My family member can beat his wive, I'm not the one controlling his life, he has his dogma and can act by his dogma.

You are wrong when you start with "EVERY MUSLIM" and you didn't mention Islam dogmatism initially. You started with muslims doing this, muslims going that. Muslims, Quran and Islam aren't the same thing!

My premise is about Muslim dogmatism, Muslims are people, dogmatism is what influenced them.

Quran and Islam are the same, Quran is where Islam is from, without Quran no Islam.

Yes, Quran is divine and absolute but muslims' understanding of it is not. Because some muslims still have some weird interpretations of Quran doesn't mean that's what the Quran or Islam means.

Who then has the best interpretations of the Quran?

Slave trading isn't normal to muslims!

Slave trade is normal because Muhammad and his followers practiced it as Allah commanded.

Wife beating isn't normal to muslims!

The Quran clearly command husbands to beat their wives, are you saying this is not in the Qur'an?

Paedophilia isn't normal to muslims!

Your grown-up Prophet slept with a 9yr old girl, abeg what do we call that? And this is something widely practiced in the Muslim world.

Same muslims aren't cool with wife beating!
Sane muslims don't trade slaves. In fact, Islam is the religion that abolish slave trade and even make it a religious act for freeing slaves!

Because some Muslims are not cool with wife beating doesn't mean it's not in the Qur'an, if they beat their wife today, it's easy for them to justify it with the Qur'an, same for slavery, no where the Quran abolished slavery, no where it condemned it and laid a punishable penalty on does who did it. There are even manual how to treat slaves in Islam or I my wrong?

Freeing slave does not mean abolishment, even during the western slavery, they freed slaves that meet up some requirements and slavery is still legal.

You don't understand what you are quoting. It would be a waste of time trying to explain to you. I have been there before. You guys just jumped the precautions that preceded the so-called "beating" and cling on to that.

The person whom the Quran was revealed NEVER beat his wives. In fact, Allah claimed that he had the best of examples for muslims (Surah Al Qalam and Surah Al Ahzaab). He left his home cos of some behaviour displayed by his wives! Peace and blessings be upon my beloved.

But Allah said beat your wives if they disobey.

Are you ready to accept proofs?! AlBaqir posted a video (an interesting debate) on how Hamzah Andreas Tzortiz explained logically the existence of God. The guy destroyed your atheist president. I expected the president to refute his logical argument with sound argument, but he just moved on! I expect you as a foot solider to refute his argument in that video, yet you ignored it and focus on another thing. Formulae dodge e

I refuted it, go back to the thread and read again, I even created a thread base on those premises.

Here,
https://www.nairaland.com/5220276/muslims-hypocrisy-absurdity-contradictory-argument

Have you heard of constructive criticism and destructive criticism before? You guys do the latter. Thank goodness, you admit that it is free speech. At least, nobody is pointing a gun at you to type all what you type, I hope you would be able to defend all the "free speeches" in front of your creator one day!

So theists are actually the ones with constructive criticism? Wow.

@bolded, yes and creator will be FSM.

Yes, religions are public matter and they aren't free from being criticised. But when people are engrossed with the criticism, it is something else. It shows there's something that's disturbing you in your heart about God and the reason for the obsession. Deep down inside you, you know something isn't right but you are trying to kill it by arguing and arguing.

This is psychological projection fallacy.

So you actually know what's deep down in my mind.

^^^^^^

Unfollows thread. I am not in for cyclic argument

Jeromeblack said I'm ignorant of "sex education". Here we go. But if it is female muslims you hear them throw tantrums all over the web about vvf, child abuse etc

aadoiza:
Emp.iree, this is another sex education product

Read this comment

Sark.inYarki:
So what ? if you don't know 17 is the best time for females of the Human species to birth their young ..In the wild no Human female will make it Beyond 15 without having kids

Lisa.Anne:
As long as burna is not complaining its no one's business.
FTC

Would they have said this if she was female muslim?. Nope

Empiree:
Jeromeblack said I'm ignorant of "sex education". Here we go. But if it is female muslims you hear them throw tantrums all over the web about vvf, child abuse etc

Read this comment

There's a reason I call them mindless conformists. It's simple, their brains have been formatted with oyinbo poo , so they can't think for themselves. Annoyingly enough, they are the ones cavorting on the forum and self-styling themselves as "logical men", as though they knew what "logical" means.
I only laugh away at their uninformed, ass-licking comments these days.
Trust me on this: if we live long enough oyinbo will normalise bestiality and possibly (stronger than probably) paedophilia and these same mindless conformists, who think they know those acts are wrong now, would be the ones propagating them. They only suck up to oyinbo, nothing else.

It is a case of classic predictive programming.

Would they have said this if she was female muslim?. Nope

Of course they wouldn't, but would rather curse Muhammad for their generational problems

aadoiza:

There's a reason I call them mindless conformists. It's simple, their brains have been formatted with oyinbo poo , so they can't think for themselves. Annoyingly enough, they are the ones cavorting on the forum and self-styling themselves as "logical men", as though they knew what "logical" means.
I only laugh away at their uninformed, ass-licking comments these days.
Trust me on this: if we live long enough oyinbo will normalise bestiality and possibly (stronger than probably) paedophilia and these same mindless conformists, who think they know those acts are wrong now, would be the ones propagating them. They only suck up to oyinbo, nothing else.

Bestiality is already in place. As you rightly said, it is only matter of time before they start making noise about their rights like 'gayright', which started gradually and it is now normal. I have already seen oyinbo man married tree. Another guy married a dog. They will soon get the nerve to trouble us to accept them like homosick

Of course they wouldn't, but would rather curse Muhammad for their generational problems It is a case of classic predictive programming.

lanrexlan:
You are grasping straws egbon. One thing about you is that it is hard for you to admit you are wrong. It is not new to me!

Allah is different from Islam. One is the Supreme being, the other is a way of life. Get that into your skull! Islam is not ALL about God. It is about God, relationship with fellow humans, it is about politics, business, transactions and many more!

Who gave the way of life in Islam?

So basically can Islam be Islam without Allah?

You are trying hard to change your initial submission to sound brilliant but it is dead on arrival! And please, get yourself a dictionary to ascertain and correspond how insult and destroy tally with each other. I can't help your comprehension problem bros.

Abeg free me

Insult is to do an offensive remark or actions e.g destroying my phone before my face is offensive to me.

lanrexlan:
My brother, the issue with most of these folks is that they don't have foundational knowledge of many of these things they are discussing seriously. They read about it online and think they have arrived. It is a shame that google has given every damn buddy a say on internet.

You're absolutely right. They don't know that whatever they read online and first-hand experiences are not substitutes.

Imagine people who have made it their daily obligations to go online and cast aspersions on Muslims and their religion, but when our dear Sino awakened them to the fact that those expletives and name-calling are (truthfully) also meant for the Muslims in their family they go berserk. This clearly shows they got no practical knowledge, only bullshit they pick up on the Internet.

Empiree:
Bestiality is already in place. As you rightly said, it is only matter of time before they start making noise about their rights like 'gayright', which started gradually and it is now normal. I have already seen oyinbo man married tree. Another guy married a dog. They will soon get the nerve to trouble us to accept them like homosick

Tree again? Oga o.

lanrexlan:
^^^^^^

Unfollows thread. I am not in for cyclic argument

Escape route.

aadoiza:

You're absolutely right. They don't know that whatever they read online and first-hand experiences are not substitutes.

Imagine people who have made it their daily obligations to go online and cast aspersions on Muslims and their religion, but when our dear Sino awakened them to the fact that those expletives and name-calling are (truthfully) also meant for the Muslims in their family they go berserk. This clearly shows they got no practical knowledge, only bullshit they pick up on the Internet.

Wait, make me understand lanrexlan and your claims here.

Are the people writing articles online ghost?

Are researches online done by ghost?

Or you want us to visit library for every information in this 2019?

Please tell us how you get your source of information?

aadoiza:

Tree again? Oga o.

there are sick ppl in the world. They need to be in psych ward not on the streets.

Funny this one married second wife (tree) in Mexico

JeromeBlack:


Very good. Now, how are they treated in the Quran and hadiths?

They are to be beheaded.