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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 9:59pm On May 21, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Do you think your audience is as dense as you who allows your beliefs to stop you considering the evidence laid before you? Here's buda on page 3 saying what buda has been saying all along but which your 'belief' appears to blind you from seeing and understanding and knowing. Your lying fruits are rotten shepherd! budaatum: 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:25pm On May 21, 2019 |
budaatum: I most have missed that post. I didn't see it. So you are saying that Paul knew Jesus before he set off to Damascus? As in, He knew who Jesus was (As the Messiah) before he heard His voice? And, yet he asked 'Who are you?'. In other words when he knew Jesus, he persecuted Him by killing his Disciples but when he believed in Him, he stopped and started preaching the gospel and got killed doing so? HMMMMMMMMMM~~in upper keys. budaatum:You can't help yourself can you? You believe my pastors taught me to believe in Jesus, rather than know him without believing, but the Bible passages I posted to you did my pastor write them? By the way, why haven't you commented on them yet? budaatum:Has it occurred to you that since you've been making this claim, you have faild to raise one single scripture to back up this knowing rather than Believing? Give me one where Jesus says 'Know me and I will repost believe in me to you'. I know that those reading have seen that i am not against understanding and knowing the Lord. My stance is, you believe in Him first before... |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 10:34pm On May 21, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Sorry Shepherd, but I am going to have to insult you because you appear not only to be blind to what I wrote way back on page 3 but for even misrepresenting the post you've now responded to. How does what you responded to mean, "Paul knew Jesus before he set off to Damascus? As in, He knew who Jesus was (As the Messiah) before he heard His voice?" I suggest you stop wasting my time and go back and read from page one without your blinkers on to see what else you "missed", "didn't see", and clearly misunderstood. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:43pm On May 21, 2019 |
Budaatum. Go ahead, call me Whatever, I understand. There's how much a man can pretend to be what he is not, not long the spirit inside begins to manifest. But whoever has followed this thread till now has read what you typed, if you projected the mind of Christ here, they know, if not they also know. I'm done with this Ego trip. enjoy your 'I-am-better-than-you contest. You Win. Go ahead know Christ, don't believe in Him. Your convictions won't affect mine, neither will mine affect yours. THE MEANS DETERMINES THE END. Bye Buda. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Nobody: 12:25am On May 22, 2019 |
budaatum:Dear brethren, Jesus is God. If you don't believe in Jesus you as well do not have believe in God. Let me give you some scriptures in the Bible to throw my light. John 1:1 " In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the WORD was God. Question? Who is the word that is God When you read more further in John you'll see how the introduction goes John 1:14 And the word( that was God) was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father ), full of grace and truth. The same way you can't separate a man from his words, is the same way you can't separate God from his words. God made himself flesh and dwelt with us, through the medium of the Holy Spirit, the word was spoken by the angel and immediately the Holy Spirit came to take its existence in Mary's womb, that's how he came. And when all the sacrifice was done by Christ Jesus for our sins and for giving us life , he gave the rule that if you worshipped Jesus is the same way as worshipping him, because anyone who doesn't worship Jesus is termed unworthy and an evildoer. And he or she is damned and going to Hell fire. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 1:10am On May 22, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Bye Shepherd, and try to make sure you learn to read and understand instead of believing the nonsense you make up in your own head. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 1:11am On May 22, 2019 |
Eberejesus111:Read the thread please before you throw your light. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Nobody: 9:19am On May 22, 2019 |
Lol! Confused lots! It's now that it has become gossip to gossip about jesusjnr, and be spreading lies and false accusations all the over the NL religious concerning him. As I said earlier, despite that buda is currently misbehaving seriously, I believe he by is far better than the spiritually dead christian op, who thinks he believes in Jesus even he doesn't know the Truth. Hence i am going to help a friend for old times sake. Yes buda, your "know" in the respect of Jesus can be backed up not just by the Bible, but the Words of Jesus which I rep, for it was said: John 8:30-32 (KJV) As he spake these words, many believed on him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Now you can see from the passage what Jesus yet said to those Jews that were said to have believed in Him, for their belief in Him was not good enough for Jesus without them coming to know Him, for He was the Truth they needed to know which would set them free. And in order to know the Truth, they needed to continue in His Words, in other words obey His Words, and not just believe. For any belief in Jesus without knowing Jesus, the Truth, just as this spiritually dead Christian op does, is the fake and false kind of belief, and not belief by the interpretation of Jesus. For the true interpretation of belief whenever Jesus used it, is not without knowing Jesus, the Truth which could set man free from the condemnation of sin and gives him eternal life, for that's the true freedom, and it cannot come with just believing and not knowing the Truth. And you would get to know why Jesus insisted that they get to know Him despite believing in Him, when you go through the very passage, for this was what the same people that were said to have believed in Jesus did to Him afterwards: John 8:59 (KJV) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. And I can see some traits of this spiritually dead christian op in those people who believed in Jesus without knowing Him, that later picked up stones to throw at Him, for saying to them that just believing in Him was not enough, but that they needed to know Him, the Truth, by keeping His Words. For that's in a sense what He's doing to you for saying same, so he would have done the same to Jesus if He was here in person. I am not saying that you buda are not getting it wrong in certain areas, but in the area of not just believing in Jesus but to know Him, as anyone who's not blind should have seen, it's actually backed up by Jesus' Words. For any believing in Jesus without knowing Him, the Truth, through keeping His Words, is a very fake and false believing in Jesus, for it is not the interpretation of belief according to Jesus. And I think the spiritually dead Christian op should instead open a thread calling out himself for erroneously thinking that true belief in Jesus was possible without knowing Jesus, the Truth, that sets man free. budaatum: |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 1:26pm On May 22, 2019 |
jesusjnr:I won't bother myself with you Jesusjnr. Go to your threads and see how many Christians agree with you. You are the only living Christian, everyone is a dead Christian. Even when you preach heresy, you scream louder that everyone is wrong only you are a true Follower of Jesus. Oh, but that has always been the case. Satan trying to project himself more profound than anyone else. A Christian who even mentions curses with his mouth is a witch/Wizard hiding under the cloak of Christianity. Christians do not lay curses, we bless. A Christian who calls Apt Paul an Apostate cannot be anything than a Tare waiting to germinate and bare fruits. A Christian who is so proud to the point of believing that atheists are better than Christisns, is an undercover atheist going somewhere to manifest. A Christian who calls every other Christians devils is nothing but an agent of darkness waiting to manifest. A Christians who does not know that Pride is Satan's principal sprit is nothing but a dead man. You and Budaatum fits yourself. the same Bedfellows. What did Jesus say, As water answered to the face, so the deep calleth to the deep. The same Spirit gravitates towards its likeness. Why do you hate me, I call your lies out. And, don't think I'm done. I will hunt you and your lies here. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 4:10pm On May 22, 2019 |
jesusjnr:buda is not in any way claiming to know it all so cannot be right all the time. This whole thread however shows the clear difference between one who believes and another who seeks to know, which anyone who reads through would clearly see, and as I've said, will comment on and educate op. Ain't God just infinitely wise and merciful? |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:05am On May 25, 2019 |
MuttleyLatff. For curiosity sake, and for the fact that you won't stop beating your chest about me being intimidated by your Alan Turning and Leo Varadkar question, I went to Google them out. You know MuttleyLatff, I was expecting that I would see men who were great evangelical Reformer/Revivalists who took the gospel of salvation to the ends of the earth like Charles Spurgeon, Smith wigglsword, Billy Graham. People like C.S. Lewis, who were homosexuals yet did well in changing the world for Christ, but alas, I saw Self serving atheists who haven received of God talents, turned against God in their ways. Again, I expected to read the testimony of Alan Turning being a renown homosexual who died went to heaven and was welcomed into heaven and he was gladly ushered into a homosexual heavenly Community, but came back to let the world know that Jehovah has no problem with homosexuals. But, alas, I saw men who you homosexuals refer to as Gay icons, who wore their gayness openly without shame and for that you called me to stand by you and cheer them up. Why were so insistent that I knew him? Is it becos he was a gay scientist or that he committed suicide? What a shame! |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 2:31pm On May 28, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Would you understand me Shepherd if I told you the person you responded to with the above, "believes", but is in error where understanding is concerned because he has not done the work to attempt to know, and that some (many and most, even), may first believe, but after they seek and understand and put their belief to test, they will then 'know'? When you "put your Faith to Work" and prosper, you do not believe you have prospered, Shepherd, you know you have prospered! |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 5:04pm On May 28, 2019 |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 11:14am On May 29, 2019 |
budaatum:This is Christianity Buda and you said you are not a Christian, so let us alone. When it's about New Age, you and I can talk about it if I'm up for it. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 12:08pm On May 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:To those it may concern, said Shepherd “buda is writing in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not believe like us.” “You cannot stop buda,” was the reply, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” Being against your doctrine Shepherd, is not being against God or Christianity, even. But if buda becomes a 'Christian' like you Shepherd, with your doctrines, the Lord will strike buda dead. For God may accept such from Shepherd to whom it has been given to believe, but so much more is expected of buda to whom it has been given to know. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 2:30pm On May 29, 2019 |
budaatum:Like I said, I'm talking Christianity here, if you want both of us to talk, we may talk New Age. But, I won't waste my time talking to someone who does not believe in Jesus or the Word of God. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 3:14pm On May 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:"Believe", and not, "do", like you? Of course you will not "waste your time" as you call it. Darkness, after all, does not stand a [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A1-5&version=NIV]chance[/url] where there is light. Fortunately, I don't have your problem because Jesus Christ fuels my ability to make you see light shines instead of just believing light shines like you do. 1 Like |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 4:31pm On May 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:The moniker is typed MuttleyLaff and not MuttleyLatff, with an extra "t" in it, though you have been devious and as crafty as a dishonest person like you needs to be with the cunning and deceitful stunt you pulled with my moniker there, I am consoled and glad you went online to get education on Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar. You no doubt found out their usefulness and benefits to society. You surely found out how you're indebted to Alan Turing for your opportunity to be typing using your smartphone, laptop etctera or computer in general. You definitely wished you never found out that God permitted a homosexual, in the person of Leo Varadkar, to be elected as his country's, a predominantly Catholic country, the Republic of Ireland's head of state. What a shame, you still can't see the wood for the trees. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:16pm On May 30, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Wow, Bros. Your desperation is showing. Calm down. So, I missed a key in your Moniker that means I am devious, cunning, deceitful, crafty and dishonest? All these for a simple mistake that so many people make with mine and I never even give it a thought? Hmmm. If only you can proof my dishonesty, cunning, craftiness deviousness by posting what I said, or did. I have asked you over and over to do this, but you dock and yet go about like a broken record screeching my Moniker. Do you think I'd become all these things just by you repeatedly saying I am? MuttleyLaff:MuttleyLatff, You scream and call me dishonest all over the place, please show me where I asked you the Usefulness of individuals. I asked you to tell me ' the Usefulness of Homosexuality 'as an act' to Humanity and the Universe in General , but here you a good and honest Christian trying to making it about the vocations of people. Did I ever ask you anything about people's vocations? Onece Again, MuttleyLatff, WHAT IS THE USEFULNESS OF THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY to Humanity and the Universe? MuttleyLaff:And long before Alan Turning invented the computer, God's green earth hasn't been functioning abi? In case you forget, let me remind you that all Alan Turning ever achieved came from God. From his very life, to ideas, knowledge, intelligence which he used in discovering how to do what he did, came from God. Oh, but here you are, a good and honest Christian giving that merit to Turning. The gifts of God are without repentance. He gave Alan Turning a gift, Alan used it, but did he live to the glory and praise of that God who gave him all he ever had? Do you think life is all about vocation? MuttleyLaff:It's the same thing as saying, God should have taken the power He gave to satan since he is evil and working to destroy everything in His creation. MuttleyLatff. The gifts of God are without repentance. When we meet the Master, we shall account for how we put our talents to work. Then, you'll realize that it's not about what have in our hands, but our persons. For God rejected Cain's person before his offerings were rejected. Before anything else, our personality comes first, not things. So far, you have presented things (what people do) while I have been trying to draw your attention to who we are, or are expected to be before God not to a sinful world. Pls show me how I am dishonest. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by HappyPagan: 5:15am On May 31, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Na so thread end. Shepherd go back to the field. The sheep you so desperately seek for ain't here. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 1:53pm On May 31, 2019 |
HappyPagan:A wandering lost spirit. I do what I want. I don't take orders from satan and his agents. I started this thread, and i'll end it when I want. Nothing your likes can do abt it. Face your demonic ancestors |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 2:31am On Jun 05, 2019 |
Shepherd00:buda, Shepherd. You are telling buda who will shout "Jesus Christ" in your Lord your God's face when it talks crap to not, take a name in vain? What a paradox. You and jnr don't flock together but you both get vanity. They worship baals and think they worship God Almighty! Shepherd, Tell the "Lord thy God" to open it's mouth and swallow buda and let us see if buda disappears! I, buda, take your baals in vain! |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 2:33am On Jun 05, 2019 |
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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:22am On Jun 05, 2019 |
budaatum:Did you just refer to Jesus as 'It?' |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:29am On Jun 05, 2019 |
budaatum:What nonsense Buda. Is it that you do not know that you need to hallow the name of Jesus or you do not recognize Him as God? What has Baal got to do with anything here? Wait and meet The Almighty God then shout 'Jesus Christ' to His face. Your ignorant pride stinks. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 11:22am On Jun 05, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I intend to suffocate you with my "stinking ignorant pride shepherd", buda pisses on your baals! |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 2:00pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
budaatum:So, Jesus Christ is Baal now? Before it was 'Jesus is not believed' and God is not to be worshipped, today Jesus is Baal. Maybe, I shd begin ignore you. Sorry I responded to you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 2:53pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Shepherd00:It was the 7th page. So buda rested. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:23pm On Jun 24, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I don't think it is a fault that I was not brainwashed by television Shepherd. If I had been brainwashed by the telly I might believe it! |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Truthsbitter: 5:12pm On Jun 26, 2019 |
This thread is becoming a cycle of same argument, I got to the 3rd page and was expecting something else but it seem to me something or someone is pulling the profitable discussion of this thread backward...lol I was born into a christian home, while growing up I believed in Christianity and in God and I worshiped God as Christians do or so I thought. Up to during my NYSC service year things was not going as I expected and I wasn't feeling the realness of God as I use to hear in churches. All along my years since the time I became a Christian even after giving my life to Jesus and after I had me do water baptism I have never really felt like I knew God personally...I was even speaking in tongues at some point, but no, I needed to know and feel the reality of God the way I understand from the mouth of preachers and other spiritually inclined persons. One day after my nysc year while I was now back at home, with anger and enthusiasm I typed "who or what is God" in my Google search bar for I was no longer sure what to believe anymore, in fact to me it was like I never really believed everything or anything about God. so I became open minded to every kind of teachings about God not just the teachings on Christianity. I became a dangerous seeker and I practiced all alone along as I seek. it was one hell of a journey (it still is sometimes, although the spirit of God is now always there for me and I am aware of this). I passed through the valley of the shadow of death and of madness but because of the mercies of God I survived. Then i met Christ, but not after having a feel of his wounds (just like Thomas the doubter), I believed and got saved. Through the gift of the holy spirit he changed me from the inside even on to manifesting the change on the outside. Now to me I wouldn't say I truly believed first in God but my doubt just like Thomas got me close enough to feel the wounds of Jesus and I believed, a believe that cannot be shaken because it is now an experience no longer just a believe. on the other hand one could say I had an atom, maybe a muster seed of believe in me that got me searching for proof about the existence of God and the righteousness of his ways. To me I believe if one is curious enough to search for the proof that God exist and the proof about the workings of God, if one is really almost completely open minded and if one is lucky enough such a person may stumble on the mercies of God at a cost (which may have dangerous experiences or consequences). To me "he that diligently seek shall surely find, for God is always merciful". I am quite convince that Jesus knows this as also it is in the case of Thomas doubting first and seeking the proof of the resurrection of Christ. That was probably why blessings was pronounced unto those who believe without seeing or experiencing. But knowing and believing (whether the believing comes before or after the knowing/experience) is a combination that can never be broken as in "nothing can separate us from the love of Christ ". The realness of God becomes undeniable. This is not an argument. |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 3:20pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Truthsbitter: Is there now a difference in what you believed and what you now know? Would you say 'knowing' reinforced your faith? |
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Truthsbitter: 8:07pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
budaatum:In all honesty, yes (knowing) it reinforced my faith. More like sealed/completed my faith. 1 Like 1 Share |
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