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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nairalandankrah: 7:32pm On Jun 30, 2019
ObaOni:
Rohr is OK but his major problem is that he lacks the technical capacity to change game situation. He doesn't know how to exploit opponents weaknesses.

With the possession we had in the first half, Ndidi wasn't needed. Replace Ogu with Iwobi, at least Mikel and Etebo played together against Zimbabwe (our coach no dey learn anything).
For me Musa wasn't in that game, Onyekuru should have replaced him.

Why should we be using two DMs against Madagascar(with due respect)... so what will he use against Egypt !!

What's d point in talking 23 players to a tournament and you keep using a set of 16...
Even if Nigeria win or draw the game, I'm not totally comfortable with the use of the players, especially today's game.
Rohr is no longer OK for us... We have to move on...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:32pm On Jun 30, 2019
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 7:32pm On Jun 30, 2019
The correct question should be when last did he take one for Nigeria and what happened when he did?

Answer: It led to a goal scored on the rebound by Awaziem. Just last year.

brenister10:


And when last has he scored from a set piece?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 7:32pm On Jun 30, 2019
Earthquake3:


The problem is we didn't look like scoring

A decent defence will withstand our blunt attack

Exactly., immediately we conceived the second goal I knew we can not score again... Above average defense plus good midfield.. You see the attack? Is Damn poor... No single bit. Our final third lacks idea..

Something is wrong. Indeed we miss vic Moses... His awesome style of play would have unblock the stubborn defense.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 7:33pm On Jun 30, 2019
TheSuperNerd:
TheGoodJoe is even captain of this team. He is with us. Mickael2 is also in this camp. Truly Rohr will not take us to the promised Land.

I know his positives and I have praised it severally...BUT... He is not just brave enough and inventive enough to make the best use of the rise of another golden pool of young super talents in Nigerian football.

I have given the man time. He is not our Joshua.


He is not a tournament coach, some of us have said this before. we have no business loosing this game just like the last group game against Argentina in the world cup. I thank God this has happened.

Again I will continue to have issues with us having foreign coaches, are we truly sure they are better than our local coaches?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 7:34pm On Jun 30, 2019
Joebie:
Hopefully after this tournament is over we will all be in the same camp that Rohr cannot take our football forward. He has done his best -- assembling a young team.


That's what he specialise in.. He is very good in scouting but he lacks ideas
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 7:34pm On Jun 30, 2019
HZwriters:


pls what really happened to the SE , was it lack of motivation?
no
they lost to a bettèr team

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:35pm On Jun 30, 2019
mank1234:


You're dreaming bro. I had such believe before the world cup. I'm back from dream land. Rhor cannot win a tournament. He will always qualify to a tournament but cannot win it.

His mindset is fixated on not wanting to concede than on wanting to score. That 4 nil bashing of Cameroon was just coincidental.


You may actually be right.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 7:35pm On Jun 30, 2019
fabyom:
I am happy we lost at this stage.
This is the type of defeat that spurs team to success.
There is no cause for alarm, we lost to two fortuitous goals despite changing almost all our regular Midfielders.
We are winning this AFCON.
Bookmark this space.
#SoarsuperEagles

Senegal lost to Algeria, CIV to Morocco and Nigeria the best team in ur text book lost to the African champions, the Barea and u still get mouth to give ur usual excuses. I hail u
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 7:35pm On Jun 30, 2019
Foreign vs Local in coaching the SE....


My brother... Both have their merits and annoying demerits.


Goke7:

He is not a tournament coach, some of us have said this before. we have no business loosing this game just like the last group game against Argentina in the world cup. I thank God this has happened.

Again I will continue to have issues with us having foreign coaches, are we truly sure they are better than our local coaches?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:36pm On Jun 30, 2019
Hanibal:
At the end of 45mins... We had 64% possession, what the Bleep was the Ndidi sub on all about?
We had ... Osimhen: 20goals, onyekuru: 16goals. 36goals worth of talent on the bench!!
We were 1 goal down, and Mr Rohr decided to introduce a Dm?
I wish I could shoot him dead right now.

Oga, calm down....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:36pm On Jun 30, 2019
Goke7:

He is not a tournament coach, some of us have said this before. we have no business loosing this game just like the last group game against Argentina in the world cup. I thank God this has happened.

Again I will continue to have issues with us having foreign coaches, are we truly sure they are better than our local coaches?

Apart from bonfree and westerhoff, the others have been woeful including the one presently coaching us

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:37pm On Jun 30, 2019
Meliforme:
No you need a player who he is an opportunist, a player with good positional sense, a player who can sneak in unnoticed and score. You saw what Onyekuru did against seychelles.

Did Seychelles park the bus?

Onyekuru can be useful in this situation when you instruct a winger to cross the ball into the box and ask Onyekuru to convert and double as a striker.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:38pm On Jun 30, 2019
ChrisKels:


Senegal lost to Algeria, CIV to Morocco and Nigeria the best team in ur text book lost to the African champions, the Barea and u still get mouth to give ur usual excuses. I hail u

You dey mind the guy.

He is just saying it for the camera. Deep down, he knows that what he said is very wrong
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 7:38pm On Jun 30, 2019
TheSuperNerd:

After Mikel's horror show as AM in the Burundi game I was hoping Rohr will see the bloody truth. Play Mikel as your deep lying CM!!!! "Mbanu," says Rohr.

Now to this game, I told you it was obvious Ogu was gonna sit deep with Etebo to play mobile CM. But Rohr f**ked that up too. We who analyse this game keenly know Ogu should be DM in this set-up but Rohr mixed it all up. And you are right, player roles also contributed to this loss.

Rohr doesn't seem to know how best to fit in players and into what system. He may have gotten a few picks right but in other key areas he has flunked. This is why he cannot get the best outta Iheanacho... And now a Chukwueze. Rohr lacks attacking invention and bravery. It is nauseating. Siasia with this team may concede against Madagascar but he won't serve us this rubbish loss. Siasia will beat Madagascar blue black and green!


Nonsense and Rohr!!!




I personally would've stopped playing Mikel as a 10 after the WC.
I don't know what our so called "Chief/Head Coach"(Rohr is TD) is doing - but they need to be sacked. You can't leave the tactical side of things to Rohr especially with the new generation of players we have coming through.
Some will say we're overreacting over this loss but they need to go back and check their history.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:38pm On Jun 30, 2019
I don't know which comes first. But with what we have, it's not impossible to play as a team. The coach gets the blame after tutoring this team for almost 3 years or so now. This coach cannot do better even with more quality players

DrLikita12:


Madagascar played as a team, we didn't. Like I said, quality players who play as a team.
Regardless, after AFCON we are going to need to replace a few players and look for options for other positions. We're likely not going to be sourcing players from Thailand's second decision.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:38pm On Jun 30, 2019
Meliforme:
I follow Onyekuru's games in the Turkish league. Onyekuru's tricks and style of play enables him to score even in tight spaces. Ask me how.

I saw him did that too but not in park the bus situation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:39pm On Jun 30, 2019
enomakos:
no
they lost to a bettèr team

Madagascar are not better. It was a combo of poor player selection, bad tactics & lightning striking twice in the same place for Madagascar.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by brenister10: 7:39pm On Jun 30, 2019
nairalandankrah:
Honestly, you can get your tactics right but if you get your personel wrong, you will loose...
I think after this afcon, Rohr should quit

His useless tactics and indecision cost us the world Cup transition to the next round

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:40pm On Jun 30, 2019
edi287:

He had no other choice. We would've been slaughtered on the break if he brought on an attacking player for Mikel.
He should never have started both Ogu and Mikel since he has no idea on how to utilize him.

I totally disagree. The reason why we were overrun time and time again is because the midfielders were over worked. Trying to get them to force the attack instead of sitting and mopping up.

All Rohr had to do was switch positions and get them to play deeper/close to the defence. We left too much space and midfield, giving room for the opponents to exploit.

We had Mikel running from midfield to attack, finding himself inside the box. We had Ndidi running up and down the field like he was saving Leicester from Barcelona on their best days.

I have asked why Rohr hardly tampers with the shape of his team. Change roles of players to nullify threats and gaps. Let Ogu and Mikel sit deep earlier in the first half. Second half make a proper offensive change but no. Mister Conservative must defend.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:41pm On Jun 30, 2019
edi287:

I personally would've stopped playing Mikel as a 10 after the WC.
I don't know what our so called "Chief/Head Coach"(Rohr is TD) is doing - but they need to be sacked. You can't leave the tactical side of things to Rohr especially with the new generation of players we have coming through.
Some will say we're overreacting over this loss but they need to go back and check their history.

You guys are just looking for excuses for Mikel.

Play him as AM or CM, Regista or box to box, Deep lying playmaker or advanced forward, he isn't the same player he used to be. In truth, he was always an above average player. I said it. You can't depend in a player like that. He isn't C. Rinaldo or Messi or Van Digk. He is above average at best. Hope we learn from this
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:44pm On Jun 30, 2019
Joebie:
I don't know which comes first. But with what we have, it's not impossible to play as a team. The coach gets the blame after tutoring this team for almost 3 years or so now. This coach cannot do better even with more quality players

Let the better players come, Rohr will still bench them.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 7:44pm On Jun 30, 2019
Awaziem is not a RB.

This match would have been the right match to start Osimhen.Against a team like Madagascar you need a fast striker like Osimhen.

Onyekuru should have started as LWF.

I just hope Rohr will be brave enough to give Osimhen and Onyekuru a chance.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by iSlayer: 7:44pm On Jun 30, 2019
On a brighter note.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:44pm On Jun 30, 2019
Sadiqali24:
let's tell ourselves the true, we have average players.
yes...you are right but Croatia has average players but they reach world cup final.Zambia has average players but they won AFCON years ago. Keshi has average players but came third at CHAN,won AFCON and reach WC R of 16. What matters is how you use the resources at your disposal not the quality of your Resources.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 7:45pm On Jun 30, 2019
raindodger13:


Madagascar are not better. It was a combo of poor player selection, bad tactics & lightning striking ltwice in the same place for Madagascar.
for a team making their debut and finishing ahead of us in the group?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:45pm On Jun 30, 2019
The people for this thread no get chill at all

https://www.nairaland.com/5268116/madagascar-vs-nigeria-afcon-2019/31
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:46pm On Jun 30, 2019
ChrisKels:


I am a Barca fan, so I know how to break down even the worst parked buses.

BTW ur argument holds no water bkus the players u fancy and the style u fancy to open up the play were all there and could not do nada.


That said, the only guy that could have tried to shoot accurately from outside the box wasn't there - KeleMessi NachoMbapoe grin

Are you comparing Barcelona's style of play with SE? grin

Which player can tire pass like Barcelona players in the SE?

Despite the quality players Barcelona possses, they labour very hard to win park bus teams. Fact

Which players? What did Kalu do? Tell me.

We are talking about tactics and the right players to execute them in park bus situation.

Unfortunately, Rohr didn't go with that tactics rather, he wanted to work the ball in from the side and middle.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:46pm On Jun 30, 2019
ChrisKels:


This team is better than all the teams we have played so far. They are winning us convincingly, not scrappily. Open ur eyes mister
Do you think Rohr would have started this set of players if it's a must-win game?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 7:47pm On Jun 30, 2019
enomakos:
for a team making their debut and finishing ahead of us in the group?

Not just that ooo, they have score like 6 goals I think while we managed to score two.

With all our running and stats (players with the highest dribbles), just all huff and puff with no result.

grin cheesy. Average coach, average team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:47pm On Jun 30, 2019
Exactly, I do not think Ighalo is our problem. It's largely a collective problem, and it has taken the coach too long to figure out some basic things as regards the strength and weaknesses of his players, and how to blend them together to form an efficient unit.

Some observations:
1. You can count on Musa for those magic one-on-one moments, but don't count on him to give beautiful passes. He rarely does. Ighalo is starved from passes, so he relies heavily on his fighting for the ball, and jam body which should have worked on one or two occasion on this game but for our opponent happening to be Ahmed Ahmed's bride.
2. Kalu is not fit. Else he is the number one player you can count on to perfect his crosses.
3. Chukwueze just needs a little tweaking to combine with other forwards, and with his help we can wreck most defenses
4. Onyekuru is an upgrade of Musa, but less experienced. Has similar speed and dribbles, added to that he brings more variety to his scoring boots, need I add header? But that's all at the club level.
5. Onuachu will thrive with a fit Kalu playing his A-game, and Simon on the other side of the wing.
6. When Mikel's AM game is OFF, use him as a holding MF, don't take him off.
7. That brings us to Etebo. I would rather play Mikel as a DM. Those mazy runs and ball holding are unnecessary. It takes away from our TEAM game. Should there be any player I would like to hold on to the ball more, it's Iwobi. And Iwobi is clever enough, he knows when to release the ball, with brilliant service to Ighalo.
8. Osimhen, I can't say much. I haven't seen him much.
9. Ogu is slow. If he is not scoring a long ranger, why use him? He doesn't do anything that other DMs can't do better.
10. Collins helped us during the qualifiers, but there is no doubt now that Aina has cemented his place in this team. I wouldn't start a fit Collins ahead of him.
11. As regards our CBs, we know Balogun is slow to react. Not a good idea to have Balogun when playing against teams with a high pressing game.
12. Ekong is dependable when not on his bad day.
13. Omeruo is made for AFCON. no be today he start
14. As regards Iheanacho (shirt #14 coincidentally). His problems goes beyond Rohr.

In summary, I think Rohr has failed to get the chemistry right.

Modified
On Siasia, you hit the nail on the head. Siasia will give you good attacking football.

TheSuperNerd:

After Mikel's horror show as AM in the Burundi game I was hoping Rohr will see the bloody truth. Play Mikel as your deep lying CM!!!! "Mbanu," says Rohr.

Now to this game, I told you it was obvious Ogu was gonna sit deep with Etebo to play mobile CM. But Rohr f**ked that up too. We who analyse this game keenly know Ogu should be DM in this set-up but Rohr mixed it all up. And you are right, player roles also contributed to this loss.

Rohr doesn't seem to know how best to fit in players and into what system. He may have gotten a few picks right but in other key areas he has flunked. This is why he cannot get the best outta Iheanacho... And now a Chukwueze. Rohr lacks attacking invention and bravery. It is nauseating. Siasia with this team may concede against Madagascar but he won't serve us this rubbish loss. Siasia will beat Madagascar blue black and green!


Nonsense and Rohr!!!




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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:47pm On Jun 30, 2019
darkelf:


You guys are just looking for excuses for Mikel.

Play him as AM or CM, Regista or box to box, Deep lying playmaker or advanced forward, he isn't the same player he used to be. In truth, he was always an above average player. I said it. You can't depend in a player like that. He isn't C. Rinaldo or Messi or Van Digk. He is above average at best. Hope we learn from this

If you believe Mikel is not the same player, how can playing him in an unfavourable position be a good solution?

Mikel should have been played deeper. Playing him in a packed position where he can not dictate the game is atrocious.

Even Iwobi found it difficult, let alone Mikel who does not play such role naturally. There are roles that suit players.

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