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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:24am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Tosin Adeoti writes: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Let's not mince words: You're outraged right now because your morality evolved based on the society you now live in. Simple as! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by visita: 12:18am On Jun 30, 2019 |
The men that wrote this book were crackheads I'm sure of that. But it surprises me how Christians pretend as if these parts of the Bible don't exist. They simply wave it as a thing of those days as if it wasn't the same Yahweh that commanded it. joseph1013: 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 9:48am On Jul 02, 2019 |
WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN? I don't believe in: Ascension Afterlife Allah Angels Demons Fairies Gingerbread man God or gods Heaven Hell Karma Loch Ness Monster Magic Miracles Rapture Reincarnation Satan Souls Spirits Supernatural Realm Talking ants, snakes, donkeys etc Witches Wizards All these things are other-worldly--we don't know how they COULD exist. They contradict everything we know about how the world works. But that is not why I don't believe they are real. I don't believe in these things for a much simpler reason--there is no evidence that they exist. If you bring me concrete evidence that any one of these things exists, I'll change my mind. Easy. So why do billions of people believe that many of these things exist? The answer to that question is easy too. It is either because they are children and they haven't yet learned to question things they are told by adults, or they are adults and they haven't yet learned to question things they were told as children. 18 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:41pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
NEW READERS Sometimes news like we had for Fatoyinbo comes up and I see a flurry of new readers flood this thread. Some are Christians who ironically seem happy that a pastor has fallen. (I actually think it's beef. They just don't like his 'tosh' lifestyle.) Sometimes these people come here because they think they might learn something from me. I welcome them and hope they are not disappointed. Sometimes these people come here because they think they can teach me something. I welcome them and hope they are not disappointed. But, if you aim to teach me, I hope you also learn something in the process. I hope you learn that believing something does not make it true, no matter how certain you are; that explaining HOW you know is as important as explaining WHAT you know and that every teaching experience is also a learning experience. The greatest minds are often the most open minds. Welcome! 13 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:31am On Jul 09, 2019 |
YOUR OMNISCIENT GOD If you think God is omniscient, there is one conclusion you cannot avoid. He created Satan knowing that he would tempt Eve and bring sin into the world. And knowing this would unleash in a holocaust of inescapable suffering and death that would last thousands of years and brutalise billions of human lives. God did this either because he was a confused fo.ol, or because that is exactly what he wanted. NB Or God is just a character a badly written melodrama that no one in their right mind should believe. 12 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by CAPSLOCKED: 8:51pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
joseph1013: 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Zerilt: 11:11am On Jul 10, 2019 |
I think everyone in this world believe that there is God who is controlling this world. If you believe in God then you must have a religion. People have an open choice throughout the world to choose a religion. The belief depends on the mentality of the person, so no one can impose anything on others here. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by CAPSLOCKED: 1:00pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Zerilt: YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 2:16pm On Jul 10, 2019 |
Zerilt: No, not everyone believes in a god. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by visita: 8:22pm On Jul 11, 2019 |
Eyah, did someone hurt your feelings or something? Who's trying to impose anything on anybody? You think that everyone in this world believe that there is God who is controlling the world? I don't think you've been thinking. Zerilt: 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:21pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
WISDOM FROM THE BIBLE The Bible was inspired by God himself, so we can expect to find much wisdom within its weighty pages. Here are some things we've learnt from it: Holding people as slaves is ok. So is passing your slaves to your children when you die. You can also sell your daughters as slaves with God's blessing. Beating your slaves, even if you kill them is ok too, so long as they live for a few days after the beating. It's only fair, after all, they are your property. Raping a virgin girl is a crime. But it's not a crime against the victim, it's a crime against her father because her value will be diminished if she's not a virgin. The best way to punish a man who rapes an unmarried girl is to have him pay her father compensation, force him to marry the girl and never allow him to divorce her. That will teach him. A bride who is thought not to be a virgin on her wedding night should be stoned to death. Obviously. The Earth was created before the stars. Stars are lights in a dome covering the Earth. The dome has water above it with windows that open to allow it to rain. Suck on that science! These are all things we learnt from the Bible... but had to unlearn. And there is much, much more where that came from. Wisdom from the Bible is hard to find, but utter nonsense and appalling moral values are easy. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by kkins25(m): 7:23pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
joseph1013:Maybe it was me who didn't present my op well but budaatum, this is the message i was trying to get across 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 11:34pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
Wow! It's been awhile I haven't been here, how do you do op? Still waxing strong I see. You will be stronger. kkins25:Kk, I have to say that I do not know the context in which you posted this but I'm intrigued all the same so let me. Op titled the piece WISDOM FROM THE BIBLE, and then goes on to list instructions instead, I wonder why? Is it because he lacks understanding or hasn't read any Proverbs I wonder. But apart from that, op seems to take a rather literal view of Scripture going by his take in this piece, and rather than looking deeper than the instructions he expects to find wisdom on the surface of the words as if wisdom is conveyed as a list of instructions. I tell you that if one reads Things Fall Apart in that same way it will be the reading of a good story and nothing else, but many don't just read for the narrative, and I hope you don't either. Anyway, as I said, I don't know what you related this to so I wouldn't be surprised if I'm singing off pitch. But consider that billions of people can not possibly still be reading a book if all they see in it is how to treat their slaves. And those who only see how slaves are treated are, in my opinion, reading with blind eyes because there's obviously a lot more to Scripture than just the treatment of slaves. It is a rather big book after all, and the treatment of slaves is in the early part. You'd be amazed what it evolves into by the end. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:59pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
Poor lad, Joseph. He was scammed! Sure scammed! He fell for that lie that was used to cover up Mary's infidelity. I mean, many wives will be kicking themselves today - only if they've played that card. Let your virgin wife get pregnant and tell you it's some god and let's see your reaction. Joseph's own is easy to talk about and celebrate right? Let's celebrate yours as well. I'll be sure out with my drums.. LOL! And god's hates adultery. LOL LAUGHABLE! 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 8:02pm On Jul 18, 2019 |
joseph1013:What's laughable is that you think what you read in the Bible is literally true. Have you considered the story you read might just be a cover up for Joseph's infidelity with Mary? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:52am On Jul 19, 2019 |
budaatum:What's even more laughable is that in defending the Bible you infer that Jesus is a fraud - not birthed by God. Why should I take your rationalization over the Bible's? Any evidence? 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 2:23pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
joseph1013:I think you are the one inferring that Jesus is a fraud. God doesn't bear children as far as I know, and I don't exactly see where I've defended the Bible. What you could possibly be accusing me of rationalizing is my own understanding of the Bible, which I haven't done yet, though I do think limiting the over 1000 pages of a book to what you have is irrational. Do you seriously think what you've listed as the Wisdom in the Bible is the Wisdom in the Bible? Does Wisdom not apply to one's own understanding? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:25pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
budaatum: Your own understanding of the Bible is that Jesus is a son of Joseph. How can that be your understanding when the Bible DIRECTLY teaches against that? The Bible says Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. I wonder where you got your definition of Wisdom from. Wisdom connotes body of knowledge and experience. That is why the Bible could say that "...the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God." In your ill-conceived defense, you talk about looker deeper into the Bible. How deep do you want to look? On whose authority do you look deeper? LOL 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 5:56pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
budaatum: Hey buda lemme understand something about how you see the bible. Do you see it as a book that herein lie truths or do you see it as a book from which wisdom can be gleaned based on understanding? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 7:35pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
LordReed:I see every book worth reading as one I can learn something from. Its entirely up to me if it makes me wise or stupid. 2 Likes |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 7:55pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
joseph1013:The Bible does not teach! It is written in the Bible that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit so it's up to me to understand what that means. After all, I went to school and know it takes a man and a woman to produce a child, so what the fuq could possibly be meant, I ask. joseph1013:So, I'd say "Wisdom", and assume it's not of this world despite it being an earthly word? Do I plan to use that wisdom outside this world? Wisdom means that which is wise, and if that's not clear enough, I can easily check a dictionary where I'd find it means "the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgement; the quality of being wise". Can I get experience from the Bible? Can all my knowledge only come from Bible? joseph1013:Here's a quote from Ayn Rand I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. I look deeper by my own authority, after all, my eyes, my brain, my mind! Or are you assuming I farmed them out or something? When I read that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, knowing how babies are born, I could try and find out what might be meant by the Holy Spirit or chuck the whole book in the bin. I choose to do the former, by my own authority. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Amujale(m): 8:50pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
Abrahamic religions are all false, fake and counterintuitive. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by kkins25(m): 7:27pm On Jul 20, 2019 |
budaatum:oh do pray tell, what is this wisdom that thous has sought and found that those whom profess to, and libe by the bible have missed? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 9:56am On Jul 21, 2019 |
budaatum: In other words, you've been giving me a non sequitur. My argument is not for your likes who do not see the Bible as the greatest book on earth; who sees the book it as any other book that can be interpreted. Wait...do you guys get a boner by arguing for the sake of it? 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 1:28pm On Jul 21, 2019 |
joseph1013:Love the way you lump one into "you guys" and "get a boner". The Bible is a great book. Calling it the greatest is what those who haven't read much or understand little would say. And "interpret" isn't exactly the proper word unless you're translating it. "Understand" would be more appropriate. No one is arguing with you Joseph. Just that what you called "the wisdom in the Bible" is not what "the wisdom in the Bible" is. And on here we do tend to correct misinformation least people be led astray. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 1:38pm On Jul 21, 2019 |
kkins25:I don't think I said I found what those you say live by the bible have missed kk. Though the Bible itself has stories in it about those who claim to live by it but failed to understand it. They crucified the dude who told them they didn't understand it, so I'd say they really missed something, or saw something I didn't. 1 Like |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 1:50pm On Jul 21, 2019 |
Funny. Seems we have one thing in common. We don't believe in just about all the same things, and I guess a better answer to your question, "why do billions", can't be better put. Though let me add that many are not as opportuned as you are to be in a position to ask the questions or no one taught them they could. So guess what Jesus did? He taught them to ask questions (though many miss this point). joseph1013: |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 9:53am On Jul 24, 2019 |
GOD, THE X FACTOR When solving a problem using algebra it's common to refer to the unknown quantity as "x". It would save a huge amount of confusion if religious people would learn this simple principle. For example, when theists consider the great problems of how humans came to be conscious, or how DNA came to encode the proteins necessary for life, or the granddaddy of all such problems, how the universe came to exist, they correctly conclude that we do not yet know the answers to these problems. But instead of saying, for example, "Let x = the cause of the universe", where x is an unknown process, force or agency, they say "God is the cause of the universe". All but the dimmest theists know this is an attempt at sleight of hand. God ? an unknown process, force or agency. God refers to a specific agent (usually one the theist's mum believed in). So theists, if you wish to use this argument, use it correctly. Conclude that x, an unknown process, force or agency, caused the universe. If you wish to pray to x, sing hymns to it, humble yourself before it and pay offerings in honour of it, that is your prerogative. But don't be surprised if the rest of us shake our heads and roll our eyes in silent incredulity. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 7:26pm On Jul 24, 2019 |
You must have heard it called the God of the gap. If so, and though many "religious people" would disagree, one might rightly assume God = x, after all there's quite a lot of words that imply God is unknowable and unfathomable and so on like x, though, in maths, x is usually knowable and fathomable unlike gaps. However, consider "worship x" to mean, love one another, and "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it and rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground." For only then is one blessed. joseph1013: |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:23pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
When I say I don't believe god exists, I am not making a claim --I just don't believe YOUR claim. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:47pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
WHEN FAITH SCORES AN OWN-GOAL We know believers ultimately have to rely on faith to support their worldview and we know faith is utterly useless as a way of discovering what is true and what is false. But what really makes my eyes roll is when they make claims that no one could POSSIBLY know are true. Take, for example, the claim that God is omniscient. How could anyone know that? Even God (if he existed) couldn't be sure of this--if there is something he doesn't know, he wouldn't know he doesn't know it! This is faith playing football against itself--and losing! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Amujale(m): 3:56pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
Great Nations dont have the time to be lapping up fakery, there are people on the continent that cannot wait to rise beyond greater heights. Religion is supposed to make one relative to virtuosness. Virtuosness is a fun and nice quality to have. Religion is not the problem its all the Abrahamic ones that are, they have been found out to be peddling falsities, fakery and manufactured history. |
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