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Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by JKisOK(m): 6:58am On Jul 04, 2019 |
EASY32: Beautiful write-up, but conclusions are suspect and contradictory of the premise you yourself laid. It also knocks heads with the Gospel, with the Koran and with reality. The whole of the book of Revelation is devoted to the fate of the soul, both the good and the evil. The Koran talks of Al-Janna. Traditional Religions speak of the world being the marketplace and heaven the final home. Surah Al-Jathiyah 45:26: "Allah causes you to live, then causes you to die; then He will assemble you for the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt, but most of the people do not know." Jesus Himself came as a body, in the flesh, John 1:1-14. Does it mean that when He died He was extinguished? No. Reality is that He came back, and had post-resurrection interactions with living human beings! In fact, he became a model of what was to come -and the scriptures called Him the firstfruits from the dead. Fact! 1Corinthians 15:20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." In John 14, after His resurrection, He made post-life promises: 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. So the soul dies but lives to face judgement. Thereafter, it either lives with God in eternal bliss or lives forever in the lake of fire, a fate worse than death. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Harrynight(m): 7:00am On Jul 04, 2019 |
The teaching of reincarnation isn't true because Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 clearly says "For the living knows that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun." Btw; Satan has power and can make some kind of unusual things appear so real to convince people believe what isn't real. |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by megareal: 7:05am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Man is a tripartite being. Body, soul, spirit. Body (flesh) dies and never wakes again. Soul is judged and either lives or die depending on judgment, spirit returns to God, it never dies it is eternal. We know spirits can be summoned as Samuel's was 1st Sam 28, meaning they are not under lock and key and may transcend worlds. My grand ma in-law claimed to be a reincarnated soul. When she was but a child, She told her family where she was originally from, the number of children she had and named them, she also described her compound, the special tree she planted to honor the birth of her first son, husband and former relatives. The family traced her claims to three villages away and realised it was truth. The manner in which she died was confirmed, and her former children when they saw her screamed and raised alarm. The whole village agreed that she was indeed who she said she was. She was calling names, asking about some folks who had died and recognized people in her age grade who were still alive. Her first children used to come visit her at her husband's house till they passed on. The truth is there is a lot we do not know as even the Bible reveals this truth in mysteries . If the flesh dies and soul and spirit aren't dead, there is a possibility they may come back. My occultic relatives can summon dead people to tell them things. Some call it familiar spirit which is the mirror spirit of the clean spirit of man. Deliverance ministers argue that it is the familiar spirit that is "reincarnated'' and it is the familiar spirit which people see in dreams and as ghosts. I personally am deeply spiritual and I live in a constant world of de ja vu. I always feel I have lived most experiences before and can predict an outcome based on my latent knowledge. It is a mysterious world we live in. Things are happening but it's only the higher beings that can understand. God is a wise God and he shrouds everything in mystery. 15 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by luvme0702: 7:06am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Whether we believe in reincarnation or not, it doesn't stop the fact that it exists. 8 Likes |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by charlsecy(m): 7:08am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Rapmoney:Some do. |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Kk4(m): 7:08am On Jul 04, 2019 |
mysticgal:You be dead people magnet or ghost whisperer!? Your Chi is on another level 1 Like |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by DateMynd44(m): 7:08am On Jul 04, 2019 |
pDudd:that movie been dey send chills down my spine when I was a kid. how I fit watch that movie again? |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by DateMynd44(m): 7:09am On Jul 04, 2019 |
luvme0702:stop being decieved. it doesn't |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by InvertedHammer: 7:13am On Jul 04, 2019 |
/ No human being knows the answers to these questions. The best most people would do is to speculate. There are roughly 4200 religions in the world but with 12 only in the majority. Each religious sect will try to explain it based on their doctrine with each group claiming to have the infinite knowledge and wisdom. The fact remains that nobody knows. What are the chances that you would have been a christian if you were born in Saudi Arabia? Zilch! Roll with whatever you find yourself and leave the rest to God. / 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Dnockeror333(m): 7:20am On Jul 04, 2019 |
JKisOK: Replies below... |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by starbuck(f): 7:25am On Jul 04, 2019 |
I have modified oooo Check my earlier comment 1 Like |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by sharpwriter(m): 7:26am On Jul 04, 2019 |
mysticgal: Your second story shook me (very emotional) Your last story made me laugh... And was the message bad that you couldn't deliver it? I know it's not easy though... Who would want to have dealings with the dead anyway ? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Benekruku(m): 7:26am On Jul 04, 2019 |
four4: God bless you! |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by enemyofprogress: 7:27am On Jul 04, 2019 |
eneojoedu:the elders have gone to COZA meeting with pastor Biodun Fatoyinbo 1 Like |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by formular2002(m): 7:30am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Friends, We are all at liberty to believe whatever we intend to believe but the standard remains the SCRIPTURE. It is appointed unto man to die once, after that, is judgment. Have u ever pondered on the concept and existence of "familiar spirits"? Its basically their handiwork. Instilling fear into humans by bringing memories and images of dead relatives. Once in a while, the images of departed souls may come around in our dreams probably due to our lines of thoughts before sleeping but that does not validate their existence. They are all figments of our imagination. I have been looking for opportunity to see my late dad again since he passed on last year but till now, NO SHOW He is gone and rested forever.........till we meet in glory. Traditions of men passed across in movies, tales and write ups also contributed to the spread of this fallacy. I have also watched many of such movies and have always pointed out to their inconsistent nature of presenting the stories. Dear friends, a man is meant to die once, and NO COMING BACK 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by sharpwriter(m): 7:33am On Jul 04, 2019 |
megareal: You're talking bro... Chop kisses |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by goooze(m): 7:34am On Jul 04, 2019 |
There are lots of mysteries about God that the bible did not explain. And the same bible tells us that "the way of man is different from the way of men" Ask any pastor to explain the verse "my people perish for lack of knowledge" to you they will refer to this "knowledge" as knowibg the word of God it is a lie . The knowledge is very deep and its beyond human comprehension it includes reincarnation, seeing a dead person having a family somewhere far away, praying in certain way by calling God's real name to avert or prevent certain evil occurrences, Some of these pastors knows all these things but they won't tell you the truth. Can you believe that certain things you come in contact with everyday e.g "salt" has a lot spiritual usefulness if you have the knowledge of how it works? If you do it your pastor will tell you it's not Godly whereas it's being mentioned several times in the bible the important of salt. 8 Likes |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Kingsaeedibn: 7:35am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Dead and gone... That's all |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Nobody: 7:39am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Lumina1702: Seriously?? resemblance and behavior is ur own proof of reincarnation?? I’m not saying reincarnation isn’t real, but ur point isn’t proof... that’s just geneotypic and phenotypic transfer of traits..across generation. A father has diabetes and cancer and a music legend and one of the son or daughter has it too and also like music doesn’t mean the man reincarnated.. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Dnockeror333(m): 7:39am On Jul 04, 2019 |
The man on that alter (you call them pastor's? Good) do not know what his masters knew, he is a slave, so enslaved who cocked his head in a said book. Re-incarnation is true. We might either return in one body or in another body. We might either ascend into other worlds than these Earth or return. We are like The Great God of Creation of billion worlds other than this! For in His image, not really like Him, but His image, man was made. "The Bible is fiction, stories, allegories, and real life situations turned inside out. Some were truth stolen from Africa against whose natural colours they turned them white to deceive many and be deceived"~ Anonymous. What is man that He is mindful of him.....? Would he not die, live this body into another and another continuesly until he find rest? (That REST, is what we are all seeking for in our day to day work which He the great one gave us to do.) Religion had become a god over which mans blood are casted in tares and gory! Religion had brought dogma, laws, and obligations and called them 'Gods'! Those are not God's, they are man made. The Great Creator of Worlds had made man a free being, free to do all things in peace if not for the evil that stair us in the face- brought about by that same religion, WE WOULD HAVE PAST THESE WORLD IN PEACE! REINCARNATION/ RETURNING BACK or THE AFTERLIFE are true. Never you believe it if a man, a son of man, a man of flesh, told you against your thought that ANYTHING you think of, if not sinful, is demonic. That man who said this, still sleeps under the load of Ancestral slavery, depending on books instead of the Spirit and his own heart. Thank you. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by femi4: 7:41am On Jul 04, 2019 |
If animals don't reincarnate why should humans do |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by victorazyvictor(m): 7:42am On Jul 04, 2019 |
OJODEL10: God bless you richly. I always know even when no one has come up with a face. Spirit is of God, His nature he deposited in man, man's destiny, purpose of coming to the earth. Therefore, when a man dies without fulfilling his destiny, God do send another body with the same spirit but different soul. Is like same wine in different bottle. Body = Earth Soul = Identification Number Spirit = God |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by DimIsaac10(m): 7:43am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Read your Bible very well , Saul summoned Prophet Samuel dead body and he returned... They spoke.... Make some people dey talk well o. 4 Likes |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by hope4life: 7:44am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Reincarnation and transmigration of soul is NOT true biblically. Op the portion you cited about souls coming out of grave after Jesus resurrection is an exception. You can't find it elsewhere. Even Samuel dead body appearing to the witch of Endor for Saul was also different. Heb.9:27 as you've quoted settles it.If this people really reincarnate why can't they continue the life they were leaving before.Stories we've heard say that once they see someone who knows them,they disappear. If you know how crafty Satan is,you will.know that it is demon who assumes the figure of the individuals to deceive people. 1 Like |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Fkhalifa(m): 7:44am On Jul 04, 2019 |
JusticeSeeker:lecture us on it please. |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Nobody: 7:45am On Jul 04, 2019 |
I'm interested in this topic 1 Like |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by SEGLIZ: 7:45am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Dickhead02: you've just got it wrong, miss quote and miss interprets the Bible. that place is talking about THE RESURRECTION. |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by skukimania(f): 7:47am On Jul 04, 2019 |
I think reincarnation is real. There was an incident that happened in my hometown in Ekiti some years back. A guy (tenant) living in a house had a terrible accident that afternoon, which the whole town is aware of as a result of it's horribleness and he was buried that evening being a single guy. But, later that evening when everyone was in his/her room and the main doors (not a gated building) have been locked, this guy came knocking, fuming and asking why they would lock the door when they know he hasn't entered the house ( they all had good rapport). It's a story building, they were awaken by his incessant knocking and they all heard his voice clearly only they were scared to open the door for him because they all went for his burial earlier in the evening of that day. When he kept on knocking non stopping-everyone in the house already gathered downstairs- they opened the back door and ran away. None of them slept in that house that day. I am sure if they had opened the door for him, they would have all seeing him because he himself didnt know he was already dead. But the following morning, so many people already gathered there with some of the runaway tenants and the guy was nowhere to be found again. They can't all be lying now. Infact, everyone of them moved out of the house including the landlord's daughter. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Infomaz(m): 7:48am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Biblically speaking the dead knows nothing. Eccl 9"5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the DEAD KNOWS NOT ANY THING , neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. The solution to death in the Bible is RESURRECTION, not reincarnation. John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Resurrection is the Christian hope. 2 Tim 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 1Cor 15:51-54 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Thess 4:13-18 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. THE BIBLE POSITION IS VERY CLEAR.... THE DEAD ARE DEAD! 1 Like |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by victorazyvictor(m): 7:48am On Jul 04, 2019 |
hope4life: Reincarnation is real bro..... Body is for the earth Soul is for judgment Spirit is for God (can reincarnate to fulfill destiny) |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by Nobody: 7:49am On Jul 04, 2019 |
Factfinder1:The assumption is that God is restricted to only 2 judgements either go to hell or come to heaven, the reality could not be further from the assumption; God has limitless ways and means of teaching an erring soul... |
Re: Returning Souls Or Body Stealers: Can Dead People Return? by sharpwriter(m): 7:49am On Jul 04, 2019 |
starbuck: Whao, this is powerful.... Though I learned the strength to get up and rebuke bad dreams after getting up during fellowship school days, you've just made me learn another. And that is : understanding that the person seen in a dream may be cloaked and masked and not be the real person an event will happen to. It may even be one's self aside siblings. And we mustn't take it lightly because the dream came for a reason and we would deny our self good not to pray for the person we saw and rebuke evil generally. I can't imagine your feelings when you saw her staring at you (Chai... Pain, sorrow plus great fear mixed together.... Sorry). Also interested in what happened after you both saw sha.... Maybe she disappeared or you take style reverse away from the place. Thanks for cooperating and sharing this. I've gotten something today. Waiting for more though 4 Likes |
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