MuttleyLaff:
1/ Please articulate to the best of your understanding, what is evil, wrong and bad in two adult having a romantic strictly monogamous same same sex attraction relationship, that is caring, loyal, kind, love until death do apart and is not harmful to anyone or anything, not a person, not a child and not an animal, hmm pressplay411?

2/ What immorality are such two living and enjoying a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship lifestyle, no cheating, no sleeping around, no etcetera hmm?

elated177:

If he says "YHVH is love"; he at that moment is speaking the truth. And I will agree with him. The Truth is not partial. The Truth is a respecter of no one.

pressplay411:
It's not weather he's nice or kind or good in works. It is all dead works if he's not saved.
It is simply wrong because the Bible says so. That's all the articulation I need.

Genesis to Revelations only portrayed the union of a man and a woman as the righteous and acceptable union.
Every act of homosexualism was portrayed in the scriptures as a symptom and litmus test of immorally degenerate society leaning towards God's judgment.

If you truly submit to the Word of the LORD, that would be good because the Scriptures state it expressly that it is wrong.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

MuttleyLaff:
God hates the qadesh. You do know what a qadeshbis, don't you? Well, God doesnt hate SSA people living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle, rather He loves them , just the same way He loves you and I, because where love abides, there God is and therein, you'll find God

pressplay411, don't take my word for it, please go and properly read that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 scripture and carefully study it, you will find out that the scripture has nothing to do or say about two consenting adults enjoying and living a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship that harms no one, not children, not animal, not any human being

MuttleyLaff:
God hates the qadesh. You do know what a qadeshbis, don't you? Well, God doesnt hate SSA people living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle, rather He loves them , just the same way He loves you and I, because where love abides, there God is and therein, you'll find God

pressplay411, don't take my word for it, please go and properly read that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 scripture and carefully study it, you will find out that the scripture has nothing to do or say about two consenting adults enjoying and living a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship that harms no one, not children, not animal, not any human being

budaatum:
Would you permit me to add the Holy Bible as a common idol of some please? Many do bow down and worship it even though they don't know they do.

I'd like to add Jesus Christ too but don't think that would go down well.

pressplay411:


Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.
Daniel 10:12

-Pray
-humble yourself
-seek to understand.

pressplay411:
You seem not to have wholely submitted to the Word of God. Any part of our self/idol/mindset/possessions/nature that don't die to, that we don't submit to the Lordship of God becomes our weakness. It corrupts how we see and understand the scriptures.

pressplay411:
People who don't want to experience suffering don't want to hear scriptures which about suffering for Christ.
People who don't want to experience any form of poverty don't want to hear that blessed is the poor, or how nearly impossible it is for the rich to make the kingdom of God

pressplay411:
People who want to continue to drink and fornicate will likewise quote scriptures to their own destruction.

pressplay411:
For some reason you don't see anything wrong with consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism, and you're not the first. But until you're to submit it, you will not why it is wrong.

pressplay411:
What's a qadesh?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ How do you see a "qadesh"?.
2/ What in its truest sense and original meaning is a "qadesh"?
3/ Do you know what a litmus test is? OK, let see how wholely you've submitted to the Word of God. Let's find out how well, you see and understand the scriptures, hmm?

You know pressplay411, the difference between me and other people, is that, I rather be labelled a liar while telling the truth, than pretend to tell the truth, while telling a lie

The bible is not against drinking pressplay411. Moderation, the avoidance of excess or extremes is advised. The bible is against drinking to the state of drunkenness, where and when one gets to the point of losing control of their faculties or behaviour.

Ephesians 5:18, recommends spiritual drunkenness, to be filled with the Spirit, as in, be drunk in Holy Spirit, instead of getting drunk on wine, wherein is excess, will lead to reckless indiscretion

As, for fornication pressplay411, this is a complete no-no. Fornication, is a thing that is not possible or acceptable with any anyone claiming to be living and enjoying a strictly monogamous relationship lifestyle, of no cheating, no sleeping around, no emotional harm to anyone, no covetousness, no taking of what is not yours, no etcetera

For some reason you don't seem, to realise and know that , it is not consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism, but it is consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism that is not being promiscuous, that not being unfaithful, that's not cheating, thats not sleeping around, that isnt being idolatory, that is not part of a sexual ritual sex worship

You have the first go at what "qadesh" is pressplay411. OK? You tell first, all you've gone to find out about "qadesh". What you understand "qadesh" to be?. What you equate "qadesh" to be? Why you equate "qadesh" to what you've deemed it to be.? Tell whether your understanding, perfectly agrees, in the truest sense of it, with the original meaning of the word "qadesh", hmm?

pressplay411:
Ok. I found that Qadash or (Kadesh) means to be Holy, Sacred, Consecrated. In Sodom, it also refers to male or female prostitutes.
Now, why did you bring it up? How does it relate to our discourse on Homosexualism?

MuttleyLaff:
You are mixing them up pressplay411. Qadesh is male prostituting, and qedesha is female temple prostitutes, whilst qedesh is Holy, sacred or something consecrated.

Qadesh, is also in the Bible referenced as sodomy or a sodomite. Go and find out more, and correctly find out this time. OK?

teemotee:
money is my idol unfortunately

pressplay411:
Ok. I have done my part, if you feel the need to share your thought on the topic, please do.

MuttleyLaff:
No, you haven't. You went researching on qedesh, a completely different thing. Come back and tell, what your understanding of the word, qadesh means in the truest form of the meaning and originally in Bible.

MuttleyLaff:
You are mixing them up pressplay411. Qadesh is male prostituting, and qedesha is female temple prostitutes, whilst qedesh is Holy, sacred or something consecrated.

Qadesh, is also in the Bible referenced as sodomy or a sodomite. Go and find out more, and correctly find out this time. OK?

pressplay411:
It's the same sir, just spelling difference.

omokoladejames:
Qadesh is a male cult prostitute in OT Hebrew sir... Using the understanding of language at the time kjv translated it as sodomite but most modern translation now use sacred/temple/cult prostitute...

I'm also interested in seeing where you're going with this sir.

MuttleyLaff:
Good. What a very good observation and discovery about qadesh. Yo have accepted and agreed from your researching, that qadesh is in its truest form of meaning is a male cult prostitute. that word is originally translated as sodomite and/or sodomy, plus modern translations, correctly term it as sacred/temple/cult prostituting

You're interested in seeing where I am going with this, but I am interested in seeing:
1/ What all your understanding of the word qadesh is?.
2/ I want to know from you, who a qadesh is.
3/ To your understanding, is there an equivalence of qadesh operating in our present modern day society
4/If yes to #3, then how, when and where are qadesh operating in our present moden society?

omokoladejames:
Sir, there's really no need for all this merry go round... no one is the fountain of knowledge, kindly state ur point and we can all either learn from it or find flaws in your assertions. Either way someone learns something

PS: i believe i have a pretty good idea where you're going with this but I might be wrong in my assumptions and u might truly have a novel way of looking at the scriptures. Probably something we've all missed,so I believe it's best if you let us know ur train of thought

MuttleyLaff:
Sir please tell me what the pretty good idea is you have and I'll kindly reciprocate to confirm whether your hunch is right or not

omokoladejames:
It is well boss... Though I don't understand ur need to play the teacher as I would like to believe we are both christains which means we should be able to share, converse and learn from each other freely, its within ur prerogative to do so and I respect that.

Have a good weekend sir.

omokoladejames:


Sir, there's really no need for all this merry go round... no one is the fountain of knowledge, kindly state ur point and we can all either learn from it or find flaws in your assertions. Either way someone learns something

PS: i believe i have a pretty good idea where you're going with this but I might be wrong in my assumptions and u might truly have a novel way of looking at the scriptures. Probably something we've all missed,so I believe it's best if you let us know ur train of thought

MuttleyLaff:
My brother, I am not teaching anybody anything. I am being free with you and that is why I said to you: "please tell me what the pretty good idea is you have and I'll kindly reciprocate to confirm whether your hunch is right or not"

Is it too much of a request, to ask you about the pretty good idea you have where as you said, I am going, hmm? Why is when there is the opportunity after granting the request, to share, converse and learn from each other, that you are reading too much into my request, hmm?

If opportunity didn't knock, I would, if I were you, have built a door

It's not like, as if, truth, information and knowledge decreases by being shared. I am online 24/7, when you are ready brother.

pressplay411:
I forgot to add it before but MuttleyLaff helped me remember the very foremost idol of man- Knowledge.
It is this same cunning that the Serpent employed to trick the first Man.
Eve fell simply due to her lust for knowledge.

pressplay411:
Dear, MuttleyLaff, enough with your mind games.
You want us to believe what is contrary to the Word of God. You want to make it seem as if you have a knowledge superior to what God has said.
It is a weapon that is not carnal, I discern your scheme.

For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

I can be curious, but I have long placed the Word of God as my Anchor. Please keep your esoteric knowledge to your self.
You may know the bible, but due to your pride, you have lost and denied its power. Good bye.

MuttleyLaff:
The drive to acquire knowledge illegitimately was the undoing of Eve pressplay411. You actually aptly got it right, when you used the word lust to describe her action, as it really was an uncontrolled quest for knowledge. Eve was blamed for acquiring knowledge, she was blamed for going against God's command not to go after the fruit of the the tree, at the expense of death.

"♪, ♩ Nobody wanna give, everybody wanna take. Oya tọtọri mi, one time toh. Tọtọri mi, two times, toh toh! Tọtọri mi, three times, toh toh toh! Tọtọri mi, four times, toh toh toh toh! ♪, ♩♪, ♩"

I think you meant to type it is a weapon that is carnal and not type, it is a weapon that is not carnal. That your slip of tongue, is what is called a freudian slip. It is is an unintentional error in speech or writing, regarded as revealing your subconscious feelings.

You discern an imaginary scheme. "Alfa Imam, wey no get bia-bia, prophet wey no sabi Bible well enough to be discerning scheme, dede"

We can easily forgive a child, who is afraid of the dark, the travesty and real tragedy of life is, when men are afraid of the light.

pressplay411:


I forgot to add it before but MuttleyLaff helped me remember the very foremost idol of man- Knowledge.
It is this same cunning that the Serpent employed to trick the first Man.
Eve fell simply due to her lust for knowledge.

budaatum:
Would you permit me to add the Holy Bible as a common idol of some please? Many do bow down and worship it even though they don't know they do.

I'd like to add Jesus Christ too but don't think that would go down well.

Shepherd00:

Oh God, Buda. Jesus is an idol? Explain pls

budaatum:


I wouldn't agree that Jesus Christ were God. God's Son, they say, but not Yahweh himself. I just can't see Yahweh submitting to crucifixion without turning everyone on earth to salt first or wiping it out with a flood or fire or something equally as devastating.

Shepherd00:

Oh well, you still have a long way to go when it comes to knowing who Jesus truly is. And, you haven't been really studying the Bible, which you have a problem with.