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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 4:28pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: We must all the same now consider some of our own beliefs to ensure we don't make the same mistake of adopting false doctrines and teachings. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:47pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
budaatum: At least you can now see how dangerous these "false doctrines and teachings" that I refute on this thread can be and why they should be called out. 1 Like |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Nobody: 4:58pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
budaatum: Eeeeewoooo! When did buda become a BELIEVER so that you now have BELIEFS? |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Nobody: 5:03pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
budaatum: Please buda, are you now a believer? Well to God be the glory! |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 5:09pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
Maximus69:Have you got a difficulty reading or is understanding the problem here max? I hope it's one or the other because the alternative is you are being devious! budaatum: |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Nobody: 5:31pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
budaatum:I no sabi grammar Ma, Are you now a BELIEVER,as in one having BELIEFS? |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 5:36pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
Maximus69:buda's attitude to believing is written here. buda is not a believer! There is no virtue in emulating satan. If there's anything you need explaining please simply ask. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 5:49pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Whenever I see the twig in another person's eyes, I find the forest is growing in my own. This helps me focus on removing that which blinds me instead of blindly trying to cure those who might be less blind than I am. We all have false doctrines and teachings Degbu. Unless we wish to claim we alone are righteous, which is a forest itself. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:52pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
budaatum: By all means please point out any false doctrine(s) you think I may have so that we can trash them out on a separate thread. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by budaatum: 7:11pm On Jul 15, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:No Deg. Pointing them out would be an assumption of my own righteousness and I assure you righteous I am not. How about you and I reason together instead of each trying to prove their own speculation alone can be the right one? Who knows. We may end up removing trees from our forest if not the entire forest itself. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:31pm On Jul 18, 2019 |
budaatum: It is up to you to remove the trees in your own forest before you can see the speck in mine. Meanwhile, let us entertain ourselves with the issue at hand on this thread. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:42pm On Jul 18, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:49pm On Jul 19, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:48pm On Jul 20, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:27pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:26pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:03pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:32pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
johnw47: Well stated. 1 Like
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:29pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by PublicHealthNig: 3:05pm On Sep 01, 2019 |
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:18pm On Sep 02, 2019 |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:53pm On Jan 15, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: Let's revisit this death-cult called JW's stand on blood transfusion. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Janosky: 12:28am On Jan 16, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/transfusions-kill-patients-say-doctors-1070012.html Transfusions kill patients, say doctors Jeremy Laurance | @ jeremylaurance | | BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS given routinely to tens of thousands of critically ill patients may be killing them, doctors have found. Canadian researchers have found that giving extra blood, despite its essential role in maintaining life, can cause more harm than good in those who have been thought in greatest need of it. The unexpected finding, from a study of more than 800 critically ill patients, will deliver a serious blow to the idea of accident victims being stretchered into hospital with a bag of life-giving blood suspended above them. Doctors had assumed that any means of boosting oxygen supply to the body's tissues in those who were seriously ill would improve their chances of survival. But the Canadian research shows that critically ill patients who received more blood were up to twice as likely to die as those who received less. In Britain, an estimated 800,000 patients receive blood transfusions each year, most after routine surgery, and demand for blood is rising. Using less blood would also save costs and conserve a scarce resource. The aim of a transfusion is to restore levels of haemoglobin, the oxygen- carrying constituent of red blood cells. Normal levels of haemoglobin range from 14 to 17 grams per decilitre. In the Canadian study, half of the 838 seriously unwell patients were given enough blood to raise their haemoglobin over 10 grams per decilitre, while the other half were restricted to only 7-9 grams per decilitre, half the normal level. One third of the restricted group received no blood at all.On average the restricted group received three units of blood (one and a half litres) less than the unrestricted group - but more of them survived. Among patients under 55 and the less severely ill, those who received less blood (or no blood at all) were half as likely to die as those who received more. The only exceptions were patients with heart attacks and unstable angina (chest pain). Dr Paul Hebert and his colleagues from the University of Ottawa say in the New England Journal of Medicine: "Our findings indicate that the use of a threshold ... as low as 7 grams of haemoglobin per decilitre ... was at least as effective as and possibly superior to a liberal transfusion strategy ... in critically ill patients." It is well-known that giving too much blood or other infusions can cause heart attacks or water on the lungs because of the effort required to pump the extra liquid round the body. But the researchers found these factors could not explain the differences they found. In a commentary on the findings, Wesley Ely and Gordon Bernard of the Vanderbilt School of Medicine, Nashville, say it is difficult to explain the harm caused by liberal transfusion. One possibility is that a transfusion, like a transplant, delivers a shock to the immune system. "Harmless" viruses in the blood may also be implicated. They say more trials are needed to determine the best treatment for critically ill patients. "With such knowledge, more physicians will be able to adhere to the dictum `first do no harm', and we will have a surplus of blood for transfusion rather than a shortage." *************** OLAADEGBU, triune pagan gods devotee, " Medical science says blood transfusions KILLS. Intravenous fluids infusion = blood transfusions= taking blood oath= feeding., it's all going into your body. ********* "ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD" Acts 15:28-29. Simple and straight forward, OBEDIENCE. Matt10:32-39. Hebrew 11:17-19. Phil2:8. 1Sam15:22,Abraham and Jesus Christ knew that Obedience has it's price. It's above the levels of triune pagan gods devotees and NL Churchians to comprehend. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Janosky: 1:49am On Jan 16, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU:Mumu post. The same blood transfusions mumu, deceptive theology you promoted killed thousands ,if not millions of people worldwide. Over 5,000 in France alone are probably resting in their graves because of your mumu deceptive theology. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/05/29/transfusion-of-death/3ed7e15d-ee76-46b6-ad1b-13d133fcbf93/ |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Janosky: 2:12am On Jan 16, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU:LIAR . You're twisting the biblical narrative. Name the persons who received blood transfusions from Jesus Christ.. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:22pm On Jan 16, 2020 |
Janosky: The life of the flesh is in the blood. Name the person(s) who gave or received life? |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:24pm On Jan 16, 2020 |
Janosky: Janosky: Fake News.
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Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Janosky: 3:11pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: Shame on you, OLAADEGBU FRAUD... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48596605 BBC News Navigation Sections What is the contaminated blood scandal? By Nick Triggle Health correspondent 14 June 2019 Share Related Topics UK contaminated blood inquiry Image copyright PA The infection of up to 30,000 people with contaminated blood has been called the biggest treatment disaster in NHS history. Thousands have died. A public inquiry is now under way - but what is already known about the scandal? Who was affected? People with haemophilia and other bleeding disorders were given blood infected with HIV and hepatitis viruses, during the 1970s and 1980s. It was the result of a new treatment intended to make their lives better. A clotting agent called Factor VIII was introduced to help their blood clot. Before this, patients faced lengthy stays in hospital to have transfusions, even for minor injuries. People who had blood transfusions after an operation, or childbirth, are also thought to have been exposed. About 5,000 people are believed to have been infected - but some estimates put the number at 30,000. Nearly 3,000 people have died. The public inquiry has heard the stories of some of those affected. One of the first to take the stand was Derek Martindale, who has haemophilia . He was 23 when he was diagnosed with HIV and given a year to live, in 1985. He survived but his brother - who was also infected with HIV - did not. How did it happen? The UK was struggling to keep up with demand for the Factor VIII blood clotting treatment, so supplies began to be imported from the US. But much of the human blood plasma used to make it came from donors such as prison inmates and drug-users, who sold their blood. These groups were at higher risk of blood- borne viruses. However, at the time, HIV had not been diagnosed and understanding about hepatitis was still developing. The risk of contamination was raised further because Factor VIII was made by pooling plasma from up to 40,000 donors and concentrating it. How long did this last? By the mid-1980s, once it was clear HIV was blood-borne, the products started to be heat-treated, to kill the viruses. But questions remain about how much was known before this time. Despite these precautions, some of the contaminated blood products remained in circulation and continued to be used. Screening of all blood products began in 1991. And by the late 1990s, synthetic treatments for haemophilia became available, removing the infection risk. What are the aims of the inquiry? This UK-wide inquiry now under way is the first that can demand that witnesses give evidence. It comes after decades of campaigning by victims, who claim the risks were never explained and the scandal was covered up. The government has been strongly criticised for dragging its heels. Infected blood victim 'wanted to die' Blood inquiry seeks answers at last The secret in my blood Liz Hooper: The woman who lost two husbands to the scandal A previous, privately funded inquiry held no official status. It could not compel witnesses to testify, or demand the release of important documents. In Scotland, a seven-year investigation was criticised as a "whitewash" when it was published in 2015. The current inquiry, due to last two years, was announced only after the UK government faced a possible defeat in a Commons vote demanding one. Have people been infected elsewhere in the world? There have been thousands of cases of people being given infected blood in the US. But other countries also imported blood products during the 1970s and 1980s. In Europe, cases in France, Ireland, Portugal and Italy have been identified. Japan, Canada, Iran and Iraq have also been caught up in the scandal. In the US, companies that supplied infected products have paid out millions of dollars in out-of-court settlements. In other countries, politicians and drug companies have been convicted of negligence. None of that has happened in the UK - although victims have been given limited financial support. At the opening of the inquiry, it was announced that criminal trials could follow." ********** OLAADEGBU is FRAUD and bigot. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Janosky: 3:44pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU:Who Olaadegbu wan deceive? FACTS DON'T LIE... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1482021.stm Thursday, 9 August, 2001, 22:50 GMT 23:50 UK "Aids scandals around the world Many families blamed politicians for the contamination China is the latest country to admit that Aids is cutting a swathe through its population, but Aids-related scandals have dogged many other countries since the 1980s and 1990s. One of the most high-profile cases was that of France's tainted blood scandal, which saw a former health minister convicted for failing adequately to screen blood which led to the deaths from Aids of five people, and the contamination of two others during a key period in 1985. Aids scandals around the world France: About 4,000 given infected blood in the mid-1980s Canada: About 2,000 people infected before blood tests began in 1985 Italy: Some 1,300 people have died from infected blood infusions since 1985 Japan: Over 1,400 haemophiliacs were exposed to HIV through tainted blood; at least 500 thought to have died Two French ministers were acquitted of manslaughter. About 4,000 people, many of them haemophiliacs, were given blood infected with the virus. Many of those contaminated have since died. In most cases they received transfusions before the link between HIV, Aids and blood was fully understood. All three politicians were alleged to have delayed the introduction of a US blood- screening test in France until a rival French product was ready to go on the market. No blood tests In April of this year, Canada's Supreme Court found the Canadian Red Cross guilty of negligence for failing to screen blood donors effectively for HIV infection. Three suits were brought against the Red Cross by people who received tainted blood. Two of them subsequently died of Aids and the third is HIV positive. Blood was not always properly screened About 2,000 people were infected with HIV and up to 60,000 with Hepatitis C before blood tests began in late 1985. Blood tests for Aids had not been developed at the time, so screening of donors was the most effective way of preventing infection. In Italy, a Rome court ordered the Health Ministry in June of this year to pay damages to 351 people who contracted the HIV virus and hepatitis through blood transfusions. The court said the ministry was too slow to introduce measures to prevent the virus being spread by donated blood, and did not establish proper checks on plasma. About 100 of the victims - all haemophiliacs - have already died, but the court ruled that their families were entitled to the compensation. Angelo Magrini, the head of a haemophiliacs' association, said at the time 1,300 people, including almost 150 children, had died in Italy from infected blood infusions since 1985. Cover-up In March this year, a court in Tokyo cleared a former top Aids expert of professional negligence over a scandal that exposed thousands to the HIV virus through tainted blood products. The high-profile scandal, which grabbed headlines in the mid-1990s, shocked Japan with allegations of a government cover-up and unethical links between big business and bureaucrats. Japan's Health Ministry did not ban unheated blood products until December 1985, despite knowing they risked being tainted with HIV. Over 1,400 Japanese haemophiliacs were exposed to HIV as a result, and more than 500 are believed to have died. In February 2000, three former drug company executives accused of selling blood products tainted with HIV were given prison terms. Negligence charges In Iran in the late 1990s, the former head of Iran's blood transfusion centre also went on trial over allegations that patients contracted the HIV virus after receiving contaminated blood. Dr Farhadi and two other doctors faced several charges including negligence in importing HIV-tainted supplies from France. The case followed complaints lodged by families of some 170 people, many of them children, suffering from haemophilia and the blood disease thalassemia. The prosecution at the time said hundreds of people had contracted diseases including HIV and hepatitis through contaminated transfusions. Contagion And in Portugal, a court indicted a former health minister over an Aids scandal dating back to her time in office during the 1980s. The court said the minister, Leonor Beleza, should be tried for propagating a contagious disease. The decision refers back to a case in which more than 100 Portuguese haemophiliacs were infected with the Aids virus after receiving transfusions of contaminated plasma that had been imported and distributed by the public health service. Regional picture Africa devastated European hotspots Background What is Aids? Race to find a cure Aids drugs factfile Case studies Argentina's young victims SA plant 'fights' Aids Bad blood in China Thai Aids fears Russia's crisis CLICKABLE GUIDE Aids in Africa World at a glance TALKING POINT Is enough being done to combat Aids? See also: 19 Jun 01 | Europe Italian Aids victims to get damages 20 Apr 01 | Americas Canadian Red Cross negligent in HIV screening 28 Mar 01 | Asia-Pacific Doctor cleared in HIV scandal 30 Nov 00 | Asia-Pacific Asia's burgeoning Aids epidemic 09 Jun 99 | Middle East Contaminated blood AIDS trial in Iran 09 Mar 99 | Europe Acquittals in French blood trial 19 Nov 98 | Europe Former Portuguese minister indicted over AIDS scandal 08 Apr 99 | Medical notes Blood: The risks of infection |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by orunto27: 6:54pm On Jan 18, 2020 |
No. It's give and take. No Agreement breeched. |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:46pm On Jan 19, 2020 |
Janosky: Should we stop eating because some people died from food poisoning? 1 Like |
Re: Are Blood Transfusions Sinful? by Janosky: 10:06am On Jan 22, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: After all your LIES that blood transfusions doesn't KILL.... *spits* The same lie the System told all the victims who are now enjoying their 'life saving' misery, anguish and death a couple of years later. Oya qwantirinu 'eating'.... In few years time, you will hear that the portions you ate may claim your life.... *********** But, Why do you go to extremes to want to force another person to eat potentially poisonous food he forbids ? Olaadegbu Intolerant bigot . |
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