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Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 4:36am On Jul 16, 2019 |
The Bone of contention is “ do you have any evidence for the ID”? budaatum: |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by EmperorHarry: 4:44am On Jul 16, 2019 |
LordReed:I actually never set out to prove anything and this diversion was aided by Hakeem as would be done to anybody that shows the slightest support for God,gods or ID. I have checked and didn't see the one that doesn't.Lol..I can only wonder how narrow your search was cos it's pretty obvious how the world of science is aware of the gaps in transitional fossils. "Not every transitional form appears in the fossil record, because the fossil record is not complete. Organisms are only rarely preserved as fossils in the best of circumstances, and only a fraction of such fossils have been discovered." Peharps you misunderstand me? Nevertheless not all illustrations depicting evolutionary stages of species is actually backed by actual fossils. LMFAO! Car is not a vehicle because car came after vehicle. LoL! Even when the scholarly work you requested confirms that the hypothesis has its roots in Greek philosophers you are going to deny it over semantics? Wow.Lol..You misunderstand me yet again."Abiogenesis is dependent on evolution".Abiogenesis is a natural explanation for the origin of life and evolution is the natural explanation of how simple organisms became complex.Evolution is the foundation on which any origin of life hypothesis relies on for plausibility,I refer to scientific hypotheses only.If a abiogenetic hypotheses somewhat contradicts evolution,would such hypotheses be deemed more plausible when juxtaposed with hypotheses corroborating it? Would you understand my point if I said,God depended on it's creation? Yes God depends on it's creation cos I don't see the use of a God without it's creation? Would you deem a theory stating that a God that created nothingness and watches over nothingness plausible if you couldn't find any shred of suggestive evidence that such a theory might just be true? In the same vain,complexity and the universe and all things within are what God depends on for plausibility.An observable reference for the unknown.Evolution is a dominant theory and as such any theory that explains the origin of life scientifically would most likely have to support the evolutionary process.I hope you fill in the gaps I'm unable to fill with this explanation. BTW you can show me which of Lamarck's work was called Theory of Evolution.None actually literally and seems you are guilty of the same act of you accuse me of.But if you searched on google "Who first postulated the theory of evolution?" I wonder whose name pops up. I think this is a sign, the discussion has reached its end point.It had actually reached it's end point a day ago when I stated that we don't have much to disagree on.Would you have much to disagree on with an agnostic as much as an atheist? I'm guessing not.(I don't mean this literally). |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by EmperorHarry: 5:10am On Jul 16, 2019 |
budaatum:Lol,That is way too much for me to process buda. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by LordReed(m): 6:47am On Jul 16, 2019 |
EmperorHarry: You post a list of animals and I asked you which of them in the list doesn't have fossils on record, you are now saying you are referring to other animals not on the list you posted. Why didn't you post a list of animals that don't have fossils instead of a list of ones that do? |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 7:41am On Jul 16, 2019 |
hakeem4: Could you explain Natural Selection? |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by budaatum: 12:28pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
hakeem4:None, whatsoever. I can still understand it as an idea though. Intelligent design was a lame attempt to get God into the science class. It failed because it wasn't science. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by budaatum: 12:36pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:I suspect an attempt to derail, Eyes! Evolution 101 |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 1:09pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:Natural selection is a scientific theory that best explain evolution. As General relativity explains Gravity. NS is a key mechanism of evolution, it is the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations. it explains how complex life came to be without any intelligent Designer. you could read more on it on reputable science journals |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 1:14pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
hakeem4: Natural selection aka "survival of the fittest". Do you totally agree? |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 1:42pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:when Darwin said "fittest" he did not mean strongest rather he meant organism that can pass down its gene from one generation to another. yes i totally agree |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 2:08pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
hakeem4: So why do albinos, sick cell carriers, dwarfs etc still exists. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 5:14pm On Jul 16, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:can they reproduce? |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 12:06pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
hakeem4: Ofcourse, they can. People with mutation reproduce like normal people. These mutations continue to appear in all generations. This totally contradicts the natural selection model. Albinism shouldn't appear at all (or should eventually dissappear) in Africa for example, if the theory is correct. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 12:41pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:what type of straw man fallacy is this ? Natural selection doesn’t care if the mutation is good or bad. As far as the mutation is beneficial to the organism. Albinism is the lack of black pigment ( melanin £ in the body. So I don’t see how and why they should go extinct. I think you don’t understand NS |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by LordReed(m): 1:12pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1: That's not the way it works. Like hakeem4 pointed out natural selection is not a conscious agent picking organisms with good genes to reproduce. It just means natural pressures like environment and reproductive capacity constrain organisms with the effect that those organisms that can no longer reproduce because of these factors die out. If albinism is to die out in humans, it will have to be by artificial selection not by natural selection because the gene for albinism has no natural factors that will lead to its demise as of yet. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 1:28pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
LordReed: You probably don't understand natural selection. These codes don't "die out". Mutation can cause a change in gene code but such changes are mere mistakes that are never beneficial. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 1:41pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:if the mutation is beneficial for the organism survival then it would live. I do not see how albinism is bad sha |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 1:50pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
hakeem4: Examples of beneficial mutations? Albino no longer produces melanin. The pigment protects us from sun. Sun still shines on earth. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by LordReed(m): 1:51pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1: LoL, look a who is talking about understanding. You came here with your gotcha question as though you know what natural selection is only to reveal that your understanding is at jungle justice level. Read the following introductory passage and help your ignorance: Natural selection is the differential survival and reproduction of individuals due to differences in phenotype. It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations. Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by OpenYourEyes1: 2:01pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
LordReed: The Wikipedia theory/myth does not address my post. I corrected you because you posted something that is totally false. |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by hakeem4(m): 2:02pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1:see no mutation is beneficial. But the lack of melanin won’t make them go extinct |
Re: Intelligent Designer Refuted by LordReed(m): 2:05pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
OpenYourEyes1: LoL. Ok I don hear, school don close. |
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