joseph1013:
BETWEEN FATOYINBO'S ALLEGED RAPE AND JEHOVAH'S LOVE FOR RAPE

It's a delight that there is widespread condemnation of the alleged rape of Busayo Dakolo by Biodun Fatoyinbo of COZA when she was a teenager.

I hope he gets his day in court and the law runs its course.

This new found zeal to hold their 'God of Men' to account is admirable.

But I also hope it will make men take the next logical step and look at the attrocities of Jehovah and decide if this is the person they want to continue to pay obeisance to.

Numbers 31:7-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

2 Samuel 12:11-14
"Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]"

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

Seeing all these, when will Christians look at their God and religion through impartial eyes and hold their gods to the same basic standards of decency they are starting to expect from the men who represent Him?

I would not hold my breath though.

joseph1013:
God is just a character, a badly written melodrama that no one in their right mind should believe.

Zerilt:
I think everyone in this world believe that there is God who is controlling this world.

Zerilt:
I think everyone in this world believe that there is God who is controlling this world. If you believe in God then you must have a religion. People have an open choice throughout the world to choose a religion. The belief depends on the mentality of the person, so no one can impose anything on others here.

Zerilt:
I think everyone in this world believe that there is God who is controlling this world. If you believe in God then you must have a religion. People have an open choice throughout the world to choose a religion. The belief depends on the mentality of the person, so no one can impose anything on others here.

joseph1013:
WISDOM FROM THE BIBLE

The Bible was inspired by God himself, so we can expect to find much wisdom within its weighty pages. Here are some things we've learnt from it:

Holding people as slaves is ok. So is passing your slaves to your children when you die. You can also sell your daughters as slaves with God's blessing.

Beating your slaves, even if you kill them is ok too, so long as they live for a few days after the beating. It's only fair, after all, they are your property.

Raping a virgin girl is a crime. But it's not a crime against the victim, it's a crime against her father because her value will be diminished if she's not a virgin.

The best way to punish a man who rapes an unmarried girl is to have him pay her father compensation, force him to marry the girl and never allow him to divorce her. That will teach him.

A bride who is thought not to be a virgin on her wedding night should be stoned to death. Obviously.

The Earth was created before the stars. Stars are lights in a dome covering the Earth. The dome has water above it with windows that open to allow it to rain. Suck on that science!

These are all things we learnt from the Bible... but had to unlearn. And there is much, much more where that came from.

Wisdom from the Bible is hard to find, but utter nonsense and appalling moral values are easy.

kkins25:

Maybe it was me who didn't present my op well but budaatum, this is the message i was trying to get across

joseph1013:
Poor lad, Joseph.

He was scammed!

Sure scammed!

He fell for that lie that was used to cover up Mary's infidelity.

I mean, many wives will be kicking themselves today - only if they've played that card.

Let your virgin wife get pregnant and tell you it's some god and let's see your reaction.

Joseph's own is easy to talk about and celebrate right?

Let's celebrate yours as well. I'll be sure out with my drums.. LOL!

And god's hates adultery. LOL

LAUGHABLE!

budaatum:

What's laughable is that you think what you read in the Bible is literally true. Have you considered the story you read might just be a cover up for Joseph's infidelity with Mary?

joseph1013:

What's even more laughable is that in defending the Bible you infer that Jesus is a fraud - not birthed by God.

Why should I take your rationalization over the Bible's? Any evidence?

budaatum:

I think you are the one inferring that Jesus is a fraud. God doesn't bear children as far as I know, and I don't exactly see where I've defended the Bible.

What you could possibly be accusing me of rationalizing is my own understanding of the Bible, which I haven't done yet, though I do think limiting the over 1000 pages of a book to what you have is irrational.

Do you seriously think what you've listed as the Wisdom in the Bible is the Wisdom in the Bible? Does Wisdom not apply to one's own understanding?

budaatum:

I think you are the one inferring that Jesus is a fraud. God doesn't bear children as far as I know, and I don't exactly see where I've defended the Bible.

What you could possibly be accusing me of rationalizing is my own understanding of the Bible, which I haven't done yet, though I do think limiting the over 1000 pages of a book to what you have is irrational.

Do you seriously think what you've listed as the Wisdom in the Bible is the Wisdom in the Bible? Does Wisdom not apply to one's own understanding?

LordReed:


Hey buda lemme understand something about how you see the bible. Do you see it as a book that herein lie truths or do you see it as a book from which wisdom can be gleaned based on understanding?

joseph1013:

Your own understanding of the Bible is that Jesus is a son of Joseph. How can that be your understanding when the Bible DIRECTLY teaches against that? The Bible says Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit.

joseph1013:
I wonder where you got your definition of Wisdom from. Wisdom connotes body of knowledge and experience. That is why the Bible could say that "...the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God."

joseph1013:
In your ill-conceived defense, you talk about looker deeper into the Bible. How deep do you want to look? On whose authority do you look deeper? LOL

budaatum:

The Bible does not teach! It is written in the Bible that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit so it's up to me to understand what that means. After all, I went to school and know it takes a man and a woman to produce a child, so what the fuq could possibly be meant, I ask.


So, I'd say "Wisdom", and assume it's not of this world despite it being an earthly word? Do I plan to use that wisdom outside this world?

Wisdom means that which is wise, and if that's not clear enough, I can easily check a dictionary where I'd find it means "the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgement; the quality of being wise". Can I get experience from the Bible? Can all my knowledge only come from Bible?


Here's a quote from Ayn Rand

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

I look deeper by my own authority, after all, my eyes, my brain, my mind! Or are you assuming I farmed them out or something?

When I read that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, knowing how babies are born, I could try and find out what might be meant by the Holy Spirit or chuck the whole book in the bin. I choose to do the former, by my own authority.

budaatum:

I see every book worth reading as one I can learn something from. Its entirely up to me if it makes me wise or stupid.

joseph1013:


In other words, you've been giving me a non sequitur. My argument is not for your likes who do not see the Bible as the greatest book on earth; who sees the book it as any other book that can be interpreted.

Wait...do you guys get a boner by arguing for the sake of it?

kkins25:
oh do pray tell, what is this wisdom that thous has sought and found that those whom profess to, and libe by the bible have missed?

joseph1013:
WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?

I don't believe in:
Ascension
Afterlife
Allah
Angels
Demons
Fairies
Gingerbread man
God or gods
Heaven
Hell
Karma
Loch Ness Monster
Magic
Miracles
Rapture
Reincarnation
Satan
Souls
Spirits
Supernatural Realm
Talking ants, snakes, donkeys etc
Witches
Wizards

All these things are other-worldly--we don't know how they COULD exist. They contradict everything we know about how the world works. But that is not why I don't believe they are real. I don't believe in these things for a much simpler reason--there is no evidence that they exist.

If you bring me concrete evidence that any one of these things exists, I'll change my mind. Easy.

So why do billions of people believe that many of these things exist? The answer to that question is easy too. It is either because they are children and they haven't yet learned to question things they are told by adults, or they are adults and they haven't yet learned to question things they were told as children.

joseph1013:
GOD, THE X FACTOR

When solving a problem using algebra it's common to refer to the unknown quantity as "x". It would save a huge amount of confusion if religious people would learn this simple principle.

For example, when theists consider the great problems of how humans came to be conscious, or how DNA came to encode the proteins necessary for life, or the granddaddy of all such problems, how the universe came to exist, they correctly conclude that we do not yet know the answers to these problems. But instead of saying, for example, "Let x = the cause of the universe", where x is an unknown process, force or agency, they say "God is the cause of the universe".

All but the dimmest theists know this is an attempt at sleight of hand. God ? an unknown process, force or agency. God refers to a specific agent (usually one the theist's mum believed in).

So theists, if you wish to use this argument, use it correctly. Conclude that x, an unknown process, force or agency, caused the universe. If you wish to pray to x, sing hymns to it, humble yourself before it and pay offerings in honour of it, that is your prerogative.

But don't be surprised if the rest of us shake our heads and roll our eyes in silent incredulity.