Afamed:

Visit Zaria and ask his immediate neighbors you will learn about his threat to the nation. Don't just sit at Ochanja market

Wot happen in Zaria? So de senseless killing of Christians in southern kaduna by dis other group is also cause by Elzarzaky or shites?

donjahsy:
. As much as you are right, you are as well totally wrong.

It is left only for the supreme Court to decide that and not the president. That they decided it in Asari's case does not mean it should be decided in Zak Zak's. The law must be obeyed at all cost.

Have you heard of reference in a court case. You often don't need to go to court especially when court has decided in a similar case.

OlujobaSamuel:

That should have been the question posed to him, the politicians are just using our heads. We all know public interest is above individual right.
They should have asked him how public interest is determined, is it the court, the president, a particular rule book within the executive purview that doesn't necessarily warrant a judicial pronouncement?

Lol
He said the supreme Court has decided. He didn't say he decide. Truly supreme Court decided in the case of Asari vs FG .That National interest is above individual interest

Afamed:

Have you heard of reference in a court case. You often don't need to go to court especially when court has decided in a similar case.

You must go to court. It is only the court that will draw the precedence!

tuniski:

You must go to court. It is only the court that will draw the precedence!

The one drew by Asari vs FG was what?

Afamed:

Lol
He said the supreme Court has decided. He didn't say he decide. Truly supreme Court decided in the case of Asari vs FG .That National interest is above individual interest

I know that there is a supreme court ruling on it, but it was case specific.
What I'm saying is, how do we determine what is public interest? Is it base on charges, perception, court ruling, executive order etc.
There is a case of Delta state governor taking someone's land under public interest and same was given to a cousin or relative of the governor, the SC upturned the ruling of the State high court that such act can't be classified as public interest.
We don't have a clear cut rule on what constitutes public interest.

tuniski:

Every Friday during Jumaat prayer, roads are blocked and citizens simply either bypass such roads or waited till the prayer is over.

Same with Christians during their retreats/conventions/crusades.

There are all Manners of religious organization across board that are para-military sort of. These have all been tolerated and managed but, Shiites procession is seen differently why?

Which one has military marches and refuses to recognize authority?

Uteghe:

Which one has military marches and refuses to recognize authority?

Boys scout,girls brigade,Man'O war, Yan ageji, the sharia police and the list goes on. It is debatable what you meant by refusing to recognize authority.

The Shiites have a lot of short comings but, demonizing them is simply calling a dog a name so as to hang it!

OlujobaSamuel:

I know that there is a supreme court ruling on it, but it was case specific.
What I'm saying is, how do we determine what is public interest? Is it base on charges, perception, court ruling, executive order etc.
There is a case of Delta state governor taking someone's land under public interest and same was given to a cousin or relative of the governor, the SC upturned the ruling of the State high court that such act can't be classified as public interest.
We don't have a clear cut rule on what constitutes public interest.

God bless you.

Afamed:

The one drew by Asari vs FG was what?

Was specifically for that case. Every case must be decided by the courts in context by its own merit.

The executive can't just lock anybody up and by itself termed it public interest. That will be tyranny in full garb of impunity.

tuniski:

Boys scout,girls brigade,Man'O war, Yan ageji, the sharia police and the list goes on. It is debatable what you meant by refusing to recognize authority.

The Shiites have a lot of short comings but, demonizing them is simply calling a dog a name so as to hang it!

Does man o war have a leader who preaches disobedience to authority?

Uteghe:

Does man o war have a leader who preaches disobedience to authority?

Stop cheery picking. Let the court decide on that. Some may even argue that Sharia is inconsistent with the Nigerian constitution. Leave the over flogged and rather lame talk of disobedience to the authority for the court.

The continued detention of citizens whom have been granted bail,met bail conditions is simply persecution.

Uteghe:

Has Trump encountered a citizen that runs a parallel govt,refuses to recognize constituted authority, blocks highways and constitute absolute nuisance to law abiding citizens?

So dis guy was running a parallel government?
That's news to me o.
Do you know what a parallel government means?

cronsberg:
I bet most of you defending zakzaki cuz of human rights whatever dont even know that nigeria already has a law similar to the U.S patriot act. Those kind of laws allow for indefinite detentions, human rights of a person to be violated, privacy to be infringed upon, disappearances of individuals deemed dangerous to the country etc most also dont know that credible intelligence shows that iran is indeed providing weapons to shi'ites in nigeria, a lebanese guy with links to hezbollah (shi'ite terror group) was caught with massive amount of weapons in kano not long ago. Things are really happening in this country that the people dont even know, secret underground CIA type shiiittzzz

There's no patriot act in Nigeria, make no mistake.
There was an light argument for it some time in 2015, but it didn't hold.
Anything that resembles patriot act in Naija is an illegality.
Our institutions are too fragile and do not yet understand the concept of independence, hence such act would be abused by whoever is in power.
In America, the AG can build a case against the president, in Nigeria the AGF is under the president.

Patriot acts cannot work effectively in this country at the moment

Afamed:
Read what's called National interest in US

I wonder what and from where you are reading ur own things.

tuniski:

Stop cheery picking. Let the court decide on that. Some may even argue that Sharia is inconsistent with the Nigerian constitution. Leave the over flogged and rather lame talk of disobedience to the authority for the court.

The continued detention of citizens whom have been granted bail,met bail conditions is simply persecution.

Court can't decide to free a terrorist. The order will be ignored.

Afamed:


It's not Malami that said Collective interest or National interest superseded individual interest. It's the Supreme court that said that.

Read from the link below.

www.vanguardngr.com
Web results
National interest supercedes individual rights - S-Courtational interest supercedes individual rights - S-Court

Cases are decided on a case by case basis notwithstanding the principle of judicial precedent. Has the Supreme Court said individual rights are subordinate to public interest in Zakzaky's case?

The man has been granted bail. It's not the place of the government to begin to weigh whether to obey it or not. Arguments against granting the bail application must have been considered by the court when the application was made and yet the court decided to grant him bail. It's dangerous for the government to nit pick as far as obedience to court orders are concerned.

Today it's Zakzaky that is bearing the brunt. Nobody knows who will be next.

Uteghe:

Court can't decide to free a terrorist. The order will be ignored.

Who declared him a terrorist? What a shame. Even boko haram are getting pardoned and re-integrated into the society.

Stop calling citizens terrorists cos you disagree where their faith.

So the catholics can declare pentecostal terrorists and vice versa abi?

Afamed:

Anyone government finds to be a threat to the unity of a nation just like a case of Asari Dokubo Vs FG years ago when Asari was granted a bail. But Obj denied him . The supreme court Verdict was national interest is above Asari interest because he was a threat to government
Elzazaky definitely is a threat to the unity of the nation. Or if She's is captured today and next week, he's taking to court and he's granted a bail. Will you say government should allow him the bail conditions despite he has a right to be bailed?

There's a misconception in the bolded. It's not in the government's place to allow him bail conditions. All the government needs to do is to obey court orders granting him bail. The sanctity of the court's demand that whatever grouse you have against a judgment or order of court, your first obligation is to obey it even while you exercise your right to appeal and ventilate your grievances.

Obasanjo disobeying court orders does not make it right.

So can you decide to disobey court orders? You cannot even if you feel you have good reasons not to. So why should the government decide for whatever reason to disobey court orders?

When I read Buhari saying no government can continue to endure repeated affront to constituted authority I laughed. So in his mind constituted authority consists only of the executive and its law enforcement agencies. What about the judiciary and the courts? Are those ones not constituted authority? Has he himself obeyed the constituted authority which the courts are? No.

When Donald Trump made an order that immigrants should vacate the US without due process and the courts overturned the order, didn't he obey?

Obedience to court orders is the basis for a civil society. To do otherwise is to set the stage for anarchy and chaos. Too bad that it is the government that has chosen to show the rest of society how to treat the courts with disdain.

Afamed:

Your ignorance is number one on the table

Please do not twist facts just to suit your position. He's been granted bail. Even Adesina said so on sunrise daily a day after the altercation but that the reason he was still being detained was because the FG had appealed the ruling of the court. (which is laughable and shows Adesina's ignorance of the law)

Read here this current article on how FG disobeyed Court orders granting Dasuki and El Zakzaky bail

https://www.pressreader.com/nigeria/thisday/20190721/282248077149977

Afamed:

Which high court granted him bail? Are you sure you are following the procedure at all?

It's either you are deliberately lying or you just plain ignorant.

Afamed:

Have you heard of reference in a court case. You often don't need to go to court especially when court has decided in a similar case.

What kind of horseshit are you spewing with so much ignorant confidence? It's clear that you are out of your depths on matters like this but your pride and prejudice towards the government will not make you see truth even if it hits you with a sledge hammer.

So if a person murdered someone and he's charged to court and after due process of law, he is convicted and sentenced to death that automatically means that when the police apprehends any other murderer, they need not charge him to court as per your logic. All they need do is to refer to the Supreme Court precedent and sentence the person to death?

My God!!

Animal in human skin so sang Fela

Afamed:

Let me brief you quickly.
Long time after it has fully been established that Osama was in Abbotabad, only known by Barrack Obama and few intelligent member. They further needed to ascertain if truly Osama was the one just to avoid mistake of wrong identify. Even the Pakistan govt wasn't aware of his presence at Abbotabad. They secret agents took over 2 years in their findings. They went around Abbotabad pretending to be vaccine/ Polio eradicators. It was the process , they went inside the compound to give Osama children vaccine and they collected the kids saliva samples. Inside the compound , no electricity, no Radio nothing internet which would have given Osama away .It was the sample they finally used in confirming true identity of Osama.

On the day of operations, just Osama , his wives a gun around him though he made attempt to reach out to the gun.before he was shot in the head.

You're right

tuniski:

Who declared him a terrorist? What a shame. Even boko haram are getting pardoned and re-integrated into the society.

Stop calling citizens terrorists cos you disagree where their faith.

So the catholics can declare pentecostal terrorists and vice versa abi?

Catholics and Pentecostals recognize govt,they don't throw stones,burn public assets or kill during protest. Cry all you want. Elzakzaky is a goner.

Uteghe:

Catholics and Pentecostals recognize govt,they don't throw stones,burn public assets or kill during protest. Cry all you want. Elzakzaky is a goner.

He will be freed!

Hassan080196:


But the court is yet to decide his case. Until then, the security personnel has the duty of detaining the accused for the general public interest.

I am sure you are being sarcastic? If not, then you are not patriotic. There is a level at which we need to differ even with our parents in order to set the record straight.

How many courts have not granted the duo bail? Instead of appealing the ruling of the lower court, the government goes to another court of coordinate jurisdiction and sometimes lower.

Truth be told, I don't support any form of lawlessness but the government must not be more lawless than common criminals in the society

Afamed:

Anyone government finds to be a threat to the unity of a nation just like a case of Asari Dokubo Vs FG years ago when Asari was granted a bail. But Obj denied him . The supreme court Verdict was national interest is above Asari interest because he was a threat to government
Elzazaky definitely is a threat to the unity of the nation. Or if She's is captured today and next week, he's taking to court and he's granted a bail. Will you say government should allow him the bail conditions despite he has a right to be bailed?

Did you read what you put up there?

Too disappointing of an educated fellow!

jlinkd78:
Who now weighs d scale to know where d pendulum points btw public peace and human right. The issue with this govt is that while they love lies they do not know how to lie. It is d duty of d state Attorney to furnish d court with fact to buttress their arguments of public interest vs individual rights and it is d duty of d judges to weigh on d justice scale and give verdicts. That is why there is room for appeal of cases to a superior court if u loose out at a lower one. Malami is not in d position to superimpose his master's selfish interest in interpreting a clear court pronouncement that once bail is granted it must be obeyed and possibly appealed

Thank you very much for this wonderful contribution, buhari/Apc generally believe they alone know best n their decisions should not be questioned no may how weird,so it now means only the APC government now can decide how the laws of the country should be applied!,,now with the daft of a cjn n band of zombie supporters Nigeria is in for suprises,in reality however buhari is just setting a very dangerous prescedence in the country all in the euphoria of his false n deceptive righteous belief but tommorow is pregnant only time shall tell.

Afamed:


It's not Malami that said Collective interest or National interest superseded individual interest. It's the Supreme court that said that.

Read from the link below.

www.vanguardngr.com
Web results
National interest supercedes individual rights - S-Courtational interest supercedes individual rights - S-Court

so who did the supreme court give the right n how to determine when where how national interest supercedes individual right?.

Afamed:

Which high court granted him bail? Are you sure you are following the procedure at all?

So on what grounds are Shiite demanding his release...
Are you in Nigeria at all...

I really like this thread.See thought-provoking comments! Well articulated points by those speaking against and those in support.I think dis is the type of thread we need at dis critical time in our nation's history n not thread on how Tonto Dike bite Churchill or yeyebrities wearing bikini in de swimming pool exposing her boob.

Mujtahida:

What kind of horseshit are you spewing with so much ignorant confidence? It's clear that you are out of your depths on matters like this but your pride and prejudice towards the government will not make you see truth even if it hits you with a sledge hammer.

So if a person murdered someone and he's charged to court and after due process of law, he is convicted and sentenced to death that automatically means that when the police apprehends any other murderer, they need not charge him to court as per your logic. All they need do is to refer to the Supreme Court precedent and sentence the person to death?

My God!!

Animal in human skin so sang Fela

Thank you.