Am opportune to be with friends today and one thing lead to another and we end up deliberating on this issue,I want to know what our Religious section have to say on this

Grabs popcorn

In my opinion, the co-author of the creation story needs to be flogged mercilessly for trying to undermine the importance of women due to the societal ideologies at the time.A God can't make all things with the male and female model even flowered plants and then create only the male version of his most prized creation.Does that sound reasonable even to you of supposed insignificant intelligence when compared to a being with the God title.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis:1:27

Now the 2nd account of creation story in CH 2 had a much needed storyline involving the serpent and the fall of man hence it's addition to the bible.This chapter brings about this unnecessary confusion and in my opinion needs to be discarded.Something similar to this(contradictory accounts) can be found in other parts of the bible.Choose wisely

Ndukings92:
Am opportune to be with friends today and one thing lead to another and we end up deliberating on this issue,I want to know what our Religious section have to say on this

Yes, the woman was from the word go, part of the initial plan of God. Ndukings92, why would you think that the woman was not part of the initial plan of God, hmm?

EmperorHarry:
In my opinion, the co-author of the creation story needs to be flogged mercilessly for trying to undermine the importance of women due to the societal ideologies at the time. A God can't make all things with the male and female model even flowered plants and then create only the male version of his most prized creation. Does that sound reasonable even to you of supposed insignificant intelligence when compared to a being with the God title.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis:1:27

Now the 2nd account of creation story in CH 2 had a much needed storyline involving the serpent and the fall of man hence it's addition to the bible. This chapter brings about this unnecessary confusion and in my opinion needs to be discarded. Something similar to this (contradictory accounts) can be found in other parts of the bible. Choose wisely

EmperorHarry, please stop being melodramatic and start being clear and sensible, like:
1/ Who is the co-author of the creation story that needs to be flogged mercilessly you're talking about?
2/ Where did you learn that God created only the male version of his most prized creation?
3/ Where have you put God's pièce de résistance, the best, most important and exciting thing created by God ever walking, hmm?
4/ How do you mean, Genesis chapter 2 brings about unnecessary confusion and in your opinion needs to be discarded, hmm?
5/ What "similar to this (contradictory accounts) can be found in other parts of the bible" are you referring to or talking of here, hmm?

Yes. From the beginnings God had women in mind as part of His creations.

God created the animals b4 He created man , and animals were created in male and female for reproductive purposes. Definitely , He would have known that there is a need for a woman for reproductive purposes as well.

Genesis 1:26-28 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE and FEMALE created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

MuttleyLaff:

[s]EmperorHarry, please stop being melodramatic and start being clear and sensible,[/s] like:
1/ Who is the co-author of the creation story that needs to be flogged mercilessly you're talking about?

Well Muttley it so happens that there are different accounts by different people in the bible and as such there are contradictory passages that aim to illustrate a particular occurrence or occasion but with slight/major irregularities.

2/ Where did you learn that God created only the male version of his most prized creation?

I actually made an effort to eliminate this misinterpretation but decided not to.Genesis 2 from 3 or 4 is the second account of the creation story centered around a garden of eden which wasn't in the initial account in 1 and part of 2.God created man to keep and dress the garden and after sometime observed that Adam was lonely and in need of companionship.This suggests that Adam was created first and not the same time as Eve.This can be used to corroborate gender inequality from a biblical stance which is a shame really.

3/ Where have you put God's pièce de résistance, the best, most important and exciting thing created by God ever walking, hmm?

I dunno Muttley,you tell me?.I don't get what your driving at.

4/ How do you mean, Genesis chapter 2 brings about unnecessary confusion and in your opinion needs to be discarded, hmm?

A confusion that made the OP ask such questions and I'm not convinced about the infallibility of the bible.

5/ What "similar to this (contradictory accounts) can be found in other parts of the bible" are you referring to or talking of here, hmm?

The number of animals that should enter the ark before the great flood.The genealogy of Jesus from Matthew and Luke.This is off the top of head but you can google about this for more examples.

EmperorHarry:
Well Muttley it so happens that there are different accounts by different people in the bible and as such there are contradictory passages that aim to illustrate a particular occurrence or occasion but with slight/major irregularities.
I actually made an effort to eliminate this misinterpretation but decided not to. Genesis 2 from 3 or 4 is the second account of the creation story centered around a garden of eden which wasn't in the initial account in 1 and part of 2. God created man to keep and dress the garden and after sometime observed that Adam was lonely and in need of companionship.This suggests that Adam was created first and not the same time as Eve. This can be used to corroborate gender inequality from a biblical stance which is a shame really.

I am sorry if my first post came across to you, as scathing and razor-edged. That wasnt the intention, it's nothing personal aimed at you, but just me being blunt.

Now what you perceive as different account by different people, is a case of, just adding flesh to the bones account

Now I guess you are going to turn out to be among those who believe that Adam was then first created, as a hermaphrodite, hmm?

EmperorHarry:
I dunno Muttley, you tell me?. I don't get what your driving at.

You leave the best for the last. The woman, God's masterpiece, is the most memorable accomplishment of God's creation career or lifetime, is what I am driving at. She from the word go, has always been part of God's plan

EmperorHarry:
A confusion that made the OP ask such questions and I'm not convinced about the infallibility of the bible.

You should be convinced about the infallibility of the bible, but not translations etcetera

EmperorHarry:
The number of animals that should enter the ark before the great flood.

Much ado over nothing. Look towards genus/genera, thats how it was done by Noah.

EmperorHarry:
The genealogy of Jesus from Matthew and Luke. This is off the top of head but you can google about this for more examples.

There is nothing untoward in the genealogy of Jesus from Matthew and Luke. If you know the genealogy of Jesus from Matthew and Luke, you know. Who no know, no go know. Its as simple as that EmperorHarry.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry if my first post came across to you, as scathing and razor-edged. That wasnt the intention, it's nothing personal aimed at you, but just me being blunt.

It's all good Muttley.A wise man appreciates correction when he errs.

Now what you perceive as different account by different people, is a case of, just adding flesh to the bones account

I knew you'd say this but a comparison between both account would show the irregularities such as in what order creation was intended by God.Was the garden of eden a second creation?

Now I guess you are going to turn out to be among those who believe that Adam was then first created, as a hermaphrodite, hmm?

What kinda dumbasses would believe something so ludicrous? I get your point here but it doesn't change the sequence in which male and female were created and the part Eve came to play.

You leave the best for the last. The woman, God's masterpiece, is the most memorable accomplishment of God's creation career or lifeeris what I am driving at. She from the word go, has always been part of God's plan

This is seems a more appealing cover-up story.The literal understanding is what most people are exposed to and it shapes most activities under religion.

You should be convinced about the infallibility of the bible, but not translations etcetera

When the time comes,I'll let you know.

Much ado over nothing. Look towards genus/genera, thats how it was done by Noah.

There wasn't any classification for animals back then Muttley.

There is nothing untoward in the genealogy of Jesus from Matthew and Luke. If you know the genealogy of Jesus from Matthew and Luke, you know. Who no know, no go know. Its as simple as that EmperorHarry.

Muttley this is the same thing that made me apathetic towards conversations with Christians over contradictions in a supposedly infallible book.I'm in no way disrespecting the literary foundations of Christianity but maybe,just maybe some things need questioning. I also know that the greatest fear of the advocate for scriptural infallibility is that once a scripture is deemed fallible,all it's contents are susceptible to ridicule.

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Elnino4ladies:
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Re: How Is Your Spiritual Life? by ebenice(m): 5:06pm On Apr 22, 2018
Hugo55:
Your Spiritual life should be personal... between you and God. nothing more, nothing less.

Not for any human to know or care about.
it not for any human to know....but it is better if any human care about it(your spritual life)..dont u think so?
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Re: How Is Your Spiritual Life? by Hugo55(m): 6:40pm On Apr 22, 2018
ebenice:
it not for any human to know....but it is better if any human care about it(your spritual life)..dont u think so?



The only person who should care is you, yourself because that's really what is most important.... spirituality has nothing to do with outside. it starts from inside out.
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farm2008:
Need serious prayer my spiritual life now is zero and death just need Gods help
start reading the Bible from 1st John 1 ,it did help mine
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Ndukings92:
Am opportune to be with friends today and one thing lead to another and we end up deliberating on this issue,I want to know what our Religious section have to say on this

Hope it wasn't the heresy of Chris Oyakhilome that led into the argument that led into this question? That man is confused to say the least! Women are part of God's original plan!

I love it when elites and learned men argue,it makes us learn a lot,it gives us wisdom and sharpens our intellectual minds.I came across where one of my honourable wrote that I de Op is confused cos of my post,am not confused sir.God himself is plan itself,initial itself is God and there is nothing like d initial plan of God.he is doing his thing his way because he is God that was why out of no where he just look and SAW that the world was covered with darkness and he said "let there be LIGHT" and there was Light.From d unset he already knew that there is need for man and woman but he intentionally mould MAN out of d dust of d earth and breath in oxygen and man became a living being.out of man woman come into existence because of 2 major reason"if not he would have equally mould woman" d 1st is that he want women to be submissive to their husband cos he is d head WHILE d 2nd is that because he want to create a deep BOND between them so that they man will never hurt his wife or starve the wife because he is d head,that Bond is the feeling of affection that husband and wife share before the children start coming. Don't u observe that it is easy for a man to disown his child but d woman can't do such?its because d children came out of d woman "BOND" it is d greatest bond cos a child may forget about d mum but d mum can never forget d mum.That is d type of BOND God want d man to feel over his woman and that is why God intentionally delayed d creation of woman.God want man to know that he is lonely without a woman.so my people there is nothing like initial plan of God cos he does his things d way he wish if not why is he God?his foolishness surpass our wisdom.u guys are great,lots of love

EmperorHarry:
It's all good Muttley. A wise man appreciates correction when he errs.
I knew you'd say this but a comparison between both account would show the irregularities such as in what order creation was intended by God. Was the garden of eden a second creation?

There is no second creation, what you perceive to be a second creation, is the low level view narration, as in, meat to bones, as was earlier said.

EmperorHarry:
What kinda dumbasses would believe something so ludicrous? I get your point here but it doesn't change the sequence in which male and female were created and the part Eve came to play.

I am glad you do, get my point. I know you understand what "pièce de résistance" means. Now if you accept that "pièce de résistance", often means, the last in a series of things
and ending up to be best and most important thing, you wouldnt be trying a tug of war with me over sequence. Nobody is changing the order in which Eve appeared EmperorHarry, but saying that Eve was certain to happen, she had a certain role to play, she was was unavoidable and so was no afterthought. From the word go, she was in the initial plan of God

EmperorHarry:
This is seems a more appealing cover-up story. The literal understanding is what most people are exposed to and it shapes most activities under religion.

What literal understanding are you trying to quibble about now, hmm EmperorHarry? Left to Adam alone, do you think, you'll be here today and typing away, erhn? Even if Adam were to be a hermaphrodite, he has no womb

EmperorHarry:
When the time comes, I'll let you know.

Please do and asap too

EmperorHarry:
There wasn't any classification for animals back then Muttley.

"²⁰And God said, “Let the waters teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the sky.”
²¹So God created the great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters teemed according to their kinds, and every bird of flight after its kind. And God saw that it was good
²⁴And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so.
²⁵God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good"
- Genesis 1:20-21, 24-25


"I am currently reading this book (i.e. Sapiens - A Brief History of Mankind), it's a book by Yuval Noah Harari
Yuval Noah Harari is that Hebrew professor. Sapiens - A Brief History of Mankind, is a very enthralling book but you might need to spit out bones. I am still in the twenties page of a 400+ page book."
- Re: Do You Realise That We Don't Really Exist? by MuttleyLaff: 9:56am On Jun 04, 2015

Oh no EmperorHarry, no, no, no, no. No. That is classification right before you, in Genesis 1:20-21, 24-25. Classification obviously started from the beginning, while evolution was still tying up its boot laces and yet strapping on its boot. If you dont find Genesis 1:20-21, 24-25 convincing, then I recommend you read that Prof's above mentioned book for a leg-up on "kinds"

EmperorHarry:
Muttley this is the same thing that made me apathetic towards conversations with Christians over contradictions in a supposedly infallible book. I'm in no way disrespecting the literary foundations of Christianity but maybe, just maybe some things need questioning. I also know that the greatest fear of the advocate for scriptural infallibility is that once a scripture is deemed fallible, all it's contents are susceptible to ridicule.

I am an ever advocate of questioning because enquiring minds want to know. No believer worth his/her salt will harbour fear about the scripture not being infallibility. Permit me to let you on to what makes the scripture capable of making mistakes or being wrong. Greed, filthy lucre, political and differing theology, heresies, idolatry, schisms, deliberate theological errors etcetera are catalysts for making Bible translations that have mistakes, that are wrong, that are lies, that have original word contents changed from their real and genuine meanings etcetera.

Bible translations made where cast iron facts, are viewed as irrelevant or less important than indoctrinations, deliberate and calculated lies, personal beliefs and opinions makes people cast aspersions on scripture

MuttleyLaff:
There is no second creation, what you perceive to be a second creation, is the low level view narration, as in, meat to bones, as was earlier said.

The 1st chapter of genesis didn't restrict God's creation to a garden.Let's not kid ourselves here

I am glad you do, get my point. I know you understand what "pièce de résistance" means. Now if you accept that "pièce de résistance", often means, the last in a series of things and ending up to be best and most important thing, you wouldnt be trying a tug of war with me over sequence. Nobody is changing the order in which Eve appeared EmperorHarry, but saying that Eve was certain to happen, she had a certain role to play, she was was unavoidable and so was no afterthought. From the word go, she was in the initial plan of God

All I'll say here is that Genesis 2 can be interpreted subjectively.While you see Eve as the "pièce de résistance",some other folks see Eve as the leftover.This wouldn't be so if Genesis 1 account was the only source.

"²⁰And God said, “Let the waters teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the sky.”
²¹So God created the great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters teemed according to their kinds, and every bird of flight after its kind. And God saw that it was good
²⁴And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so.
²⁵God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good"
- Genesis 1:20-21, 24-25


"I am currently reading this book (i.e. Sapiens - A Brief History of Mankind), it's a book by Yuval Noah Harari
Yuval Noah Harari is that Hebrew professor. Sapiens - A Brief History of Mankind, is a very enthralling book but you might need to spit out bones. I am still in the twenties page of a 400+ page book."
- Re: Do You Realise That We Don't Really Exist? by MuttleyLaff: 9:56am On Jun 04, 2015

Oh no EmperorHarry, no, no, no, no. No. That is classification right before you, in Genesis 1:20-21, 24-25. Classification obviously started from the beginning, while evolution was still tying up its boot laces and yet strapping on its boot. If you dont find Genesis 1:20-21, 24-25 convincing, then I recommend you read that Prof's above mentioned book for a leg-up on "kinds"

I'll check it out during my leisure time.

I am an ever advocate of questioning because enquiring minds want to know. No believer worth his/her salt will harbour fear about the scripture not being infallibility. Permit me to let you on to what makes the scripture capable of making mistakes or being wrong. Greed, filthy lucre, political and differing theology, heresies, idolatry, schisms, deliberate theological errors etcetera are catalysts for making Bible translations that have mistakes, that are wrong, that are lies, that have original word contents changed from their real and genuine meanings etcetera.

Bible translations made where cast iron facts, are viewed as irrelevant or less important than indoctrinations, deliberate and calculated lies, personal beliefs and opinions makes people cast aspersions on scripture

There are very literal meanings to biblical chapters and this my friend is the more accepted perspective by the majority.If it wasn't so,you wouldn't have had to drag out a 25 pages+ thread with Shepherd and co.

EmperorHarry:
The 1st chapter of genesis didn't restrict God's creation to a garden. Let's not kid ourselves here

You're correct it didnt. It gave a top level view narration, only to go into granular details in the subsequent chapter(s)

EmperorHarry:
All I'll say here is that Genesis 2 can be interpreted subjectively. While you see Eve as the "pièce de résistance", some other folks see Eve as the leftover. This wouldn't be so if Genesis 1 account was the only source.

Whether you like to accept and agree or not, Eve is the symmetrical side of Adam. She gives the creation, man, balance, dimension and a comparative relationship of parts, she adds a sense of harmony and beauty to the whole creation. It is an insult to say or see Eve as the leftover

EmperorHarry:
I'll check it out during my leisure time.

At least you'll find out classification has there from the beginning and so return back to thank me later

EmperorHarry:
There are very literal meanings to biblical chapters and this my friend is the more accepted perspective by the majority. If it wasn't so,you wouldn't have had to drag out a 25 pages+ thread with Shepherd and co.

"This thread was opened to first and initially respond to the questions TV0I & Shèpherd00 put to me, after which it becomes a vehicle, with which to gradually deconstruct the perpetrated lies, deliberately misinterpreted bible texts, and expose the myth that adult homosexuality/same sex union is evil and/or threatening

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The time is now, if ever there is a time to rightly divided the Word of truth. It's just that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark."
- Page 01, Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:02pm On Jun 02

You're ignorant of why that thread was opened, you're ignorant of the strategies and/or tactics I used on the thread. There are quite more you're ignorant about of that thread but I wont bother go in to them.

MuttleyLaff:
You're correct it didnt. It gave a top level view narration, only to go into granular details in the subsequent chapter(s)

Lol..It seems we could keep going round in circles Muttley...I rest my case

Whether you like to accept and agree or not, Eve is the symmetrical side of Adam. She gives the creation, man, balance, dimension and a comparative relationship of parts, she adds a sense of harmony and beauty to the whole creation. It is an insult to say or see Eve as the leftover

I agree with you here and Genesis 1 also agrees with you.

At least you'll find out classification has there from the beginning and so return back to thank me later

"This thread was opened to first and initially respond to the questions TV0I & Shèpherd00 put to me, after which it becomes a vehicle, with which to gradually deconstruct the perpetrated lies, deliberately misinterpreted bible texts, and expose the myth that adult homosexuality/same sex union is evil and/or threatening

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The time is now, if ever there is a time to rightly divided the Word of truth. It's just that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark."
- Page 01, Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:02pm On Jun 02

You're ignorant of why that thread was opened, you're ignorant of the strategies and/or tactics I used on the thread. There are quite more you're ignorant about of that thread but I wont bother go in to them.

I disagree with you here Muttley.I understood the purpose of that thread and I don't see why you think otherwise.

EmperorHarry:
Lol..It seems we could keep going round in circles Muttley...I rest my case

We aren't going in circles EmperorHarry. Let me explain what seems to be the problem with your hang up. It is that you dont want to appreciate that the scripture were never in the first place divided and so chopped up into chapters and verses. The top level view was given from Genesis 1:1 up until Genesis 2:3, then a low level overview began to start from Genesis 2:4, where description of more specific and individual components of creation, attention shifted from the macro to micro, with concern and focus on the garden is presented.

EmperorHarry:
I agree with you here and Genesis 1 also agrees with you.

Has the EmperorHarry moniker ID account being temporarily hacked to make this comment

EmperorHarry:
I disagree with you here Muttley.

"You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef

I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:24pm On Jun 09

As I have said, I've had loads of experiences with all manner of those guys and you dont know what my strategies and/or tactics were for the thread, but never mind that, so what exactly do you disagree with me on.

EmperorHarry:
I understood the purpose of that thread and I don't see why you think otherwise.

If you really think you understood the purpose of that thread, then why dont you put your money where your mouth is and tell what you understood the purpose of that thread was

MuttleyLaff:
We aren't going in circles EmperorHarry. Let me explain what seems to be the problem with your hang up. It is that you dont want to appreciate that the scripture were never in the first place divided and so chopped up into chapters and verses. The top level view was given from Genesis 1:1 up until Genesis 2:3, then a low level overview began to start from Genesis 2:4, where description of more specific and individual components of creation, attention shifted from the macro to micro, with concern and focus on the garden is presented.

Why did Genesis 1 put Man as the last creation but Genesis 2 says man named all the animals as God created them which removes man from the end of the creation chain.Conflicting accounts Muttley,...Just logically explain this to me.

Has the EmperorHarry moniker ID account being temporarily hacked to make this comment

Lol Maybe...I've always agreed with you that Eve is very important in the creation story just as important as Adam and Genesis 1 corroborates that.

"You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef

I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:24pm On Jun 09

I'm fully aware of this reply Muttley and I reckon you still unknowingly and unjustly label me ignorant of the purpose of that thread.

As I have said, I've had loads of experiences with all manner of those guys and you dont know what my strategies and/or tactics were for the thread, but never mind that, so what exactly do you disagree with me on.

I disagree with you unknowingly and unjustly labeling me ignorant of the purpose of that thread.My questioning of your premises doesn't mean I don't know what your point was.I just needed a definitive summary that showed you knew your sh!t.A 25+ page thread makes an OP look clueless tbvh Muttley.

If you really think you understood the purpose of that thread, then why dont you put your money where your mouth is and tell what you understood the purpose of that thread was

Deconstructing............Same Sex Union...It seems pretty clear to anyone reading the subject what the purpose of the thread was..If it took 25 pages to Deconstruct it then you would admit you had a really huge mountain to overcome which was redefining what seemed as a literal meaning from a new perspective.This was why it up in this convo and quite frankly,this seems to be dragging this thread.