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Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Saintp(m): 6:47pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
Na waa ooo. So people will just come online and be arguing about countries that are not their own? Countries that are far better than their own can ever be . This argument would have made sense if Nigeria is at the same level with these countries or those making these arguments are citizens of America or Europe. But a Nigerian arguing about which country is better among these first world countries is plain stupidity instead the argument should be how to make Nigeria get to the level of these countries. 6 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by pansophist(m): 6:51pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
AkataWoman: All you did here was just call me names, made baseless claims, such as being denied a visa/deported, and claim that I ran off to suck another country. These are all unwarranted. Everything I wrote on this thread about the US is easily verifiable fact online, can you at least point out what I wrote about the US that is not true? Please do, I anticipate your debunk. Now to respond to your point, no, I have not being deported or denied a visa, simply because I do not need a visa to enter the US in the first place. Furthermore, there are lots of Chinese and foreigners living in Nigeria, does it mean they are there to suck from Nigeria? the world is your oyster, be free to travel and explore. Additionally, I am not sure if you know that Nigerians abroad remit billions of dollars back home yearly? One does not need to live in Nigeria to assist in its development, as FDI and capital will do the job efficiently. https://allafrica.com/stories/201903080097.html Also, spotlighting the downside of America is not hate, and as a corollary, spotlighting the upside of Europe is not love, it's just stating the objectively verifiable fact. I do not hate America, but again, I am not blind to its downsides, and for that, I do not fancy living there, and also do not consider it the greatest country. Be free to believe whatever you want about the US. All power to you, but please, be civil in your replies henceforth. 7 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 10:46pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
Saintp: EXACTLY. 4 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 10:55pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
pansophist:Nigerians send money home (that they're getting from OTHER COUNTRIES=SUCKING FROM THAT DEVELOPED COUNTRY'S TEAT) so their families can flex and pretend to be something they're not. That's not assisting in Nigeria's development. It's the same selfish, self-centered "I'm only looking out for me and mine" mentality that keeps the country from progressing. Nigerian's have been doing that for decades but still the country doesn't even have 24-hour electricity much less any type of real development. I'm just so glad my parents' generation didn't flee the country and send money back home thinking it would advance the life of black people. Instead, they understood the real work had to be done ON GROUND. ALL countries have their downsides. Sitting around trying to talk down on a country-when yours is so bad you can't provide for your own family without sucking from another country's teat--is ridiculous at best. It must be some type of mental illness. And sure there are Chinese and foreigners in Nigeria. But they didn't have to scam and take part in green card marriages to get there. Furthermore, they don't have to live there in order to be able to send money home to provide for their families. Foreigners are there to GIVE and IMPROVE. I'm not even going to get into the Chinese takeover that's happening. And I do not have to be civil to anyone disrespecting MY COUNTRY. You didn't like hearing Trump call yours a shithole so don't think you can disparage anyone else's. You need to be in Nigeria trying to build yours up to US standards. 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 11:32pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
TheEminentLaity: Have you noticed how people from developed countries don't have pissing contests about which country is the best? That's because we don't have to. We FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES AND WHERE WE'RE FROM. ;DThe same clearly cannot be said for Nigerians like you. It makes you angry that (black) Americans are doing so well, simply because by cosmic lottery we were born in the greatest country on earth-while you struggle to find a developed country to take you in. Then add to that the poor reputation and treatment Nigerians receive around the world and I can understand why you're so angry. I don't have to live in another country because mine is the best. I've visited many, many countries before and enjoyed them all. And I've met people from developed countries during my travel. And not once did we try to put each other's countries down or prove how ours was so much better than the other. The irony is that it's only people from the most barbaric, undeveloped countries that do that. Maybe if you stay in your country long enough to develop it, you'll feel so good about your own country you won't have to try to disparage someone else's. And where did I say that if I don't see something it doesn't exist? ![]() I know that ghettos and poor places exist in America. WE ALL DO. And most of us avoid them. Because it's easy to do. In Nigeria YOU CANNOT AVOID THE POVERTY, but you can live an entire lifetime in America and never see ghettos or homeless people. And you don't have to stay on your front porch either. In Nigeria you can't even drive on major streets without sellers approaching you. The poverty is EVERYWHERE and IN YOUR FACE. Danger is always a real and present threat to you. You're a liar to say otherwise. To your other points: --$1,000 emergency? But we all still have a better quality of life and live better than you. --There are many, many poor people living in NYC. You think that street hawker is rich? Those who want to live in NY do. Most don't want to. Your NYC argument makes no sense. I think you're applying your Nigerian world view to America--which tells me you've never left the country. --Check US government sites and records to find out how black Americans are doing socioeconomically in the US. Much better than the people in your country. That's for sure. Jealousy oozes from every sentence you typed. 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 11:50pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
TheEminentLaity: OMG! I just noticed a few lines from this post that I missed in my original skim. They're laughable. Despite all you typed, America remains the best country on earth--the one of many you chose to live in. The shooter of a 7 year old girl sitting on her porch is someone who would be imprisoned in the US. That's what happens in a civilized country. In Africa/Nigeria a tire would be thrown around his neck and he'd be set on fire or receive some other type of jungle justice. That is BARBARIC and UNCIVILIZED (but oh so African/Nigerian). Worse, he could just pay a bribe and go on with his life. Or are you uneducated enough to suggest that civility is found in a country's ability to control the actions of its citizens--as if programming a robot--and that a country is uncivilized because some of its citizens made poor, criminal choices? No, an UNCIVILIZED society is one that accepts or turns a blind eye to inhumane behavior. I'm not even going to get into some of the widespread inhumane African practices that are considered acceptable. And yes I do flex my US muscles of civilization against Nigerians/Africans. People from developed countries have room to talk. Not surprisingly, they don't. You won't see them on websites typing entire novels about how bad the US is and undeserving of its reputation. Instead, they're too busy enjoying the same quality of life I do. And Africans and Nigerians ARE economic immigrants. You're not going to developed countries to contribute but to take advantage of the opportunities presented to you there. 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 12:08am On Jul 28, 2019 |
MikoB: A better conversation for you to have is how to develop your country to the level of France or the US. You cannot imagine how very foolish you look to someone on the outside critiquing developed countries while yours is literally a shithole. Why are Nigerians so useless? If you're a man you should really be ashamed that you're not doing more to create a better country for your people. 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Celepope: 12:49am On Jul 28, 2019 |
MikoB:Them dey call country this one dey call France.I was in Paris in May, to be sincere Abuja is more beautiful than that godforsaken terrorist infested city of Paris.All the Africans i saw there all be looking like criminals with their black foreheads. I spit on this thread.For someone coming from France wanting to still talk about the country being a great country. 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by TheEminentLaity: 1:51am On Jul 28, 2019 |
AkataWoman: It seems you have problems with comprehension. The conversation was between supposed nigerians talking about migration to foreign countries and comparing them and nigerian experiences within those countries. I am Nigerian, still identify culturally as one, so I chimed in. You on the other hand, a DoS american citizen/native who is so lost and confused culturally to the extent of creating a moniker with a nigerian slur towards african/black americans, ' Akata Woman' come here to keep reminding us, deviating from the discussion that the US is greater than Nigeria ![]() Well, whatever development the US have is not being taken advantage of by a lot of you 'akata' (since you seem not to have a problem with the tag) folks. Start your activism and US development crusade from there. Get more of your people educated like developed countries with excellent literacy rates, there are too many of them in prison and involved in crimes. Look for the links yourself, ironic that the reasonable ones among you fighting for better conditions and opportunities don't deny the stats. 80% of black americans are middle class and upper my nigerian light-skinned äss ![]() ![]() And Africans and Nigerians ARE economic immigrants. You're not going to developed countries to contribute but to take advantage of the opportunities presented to you there.Nope, actually they those countries and institutions I worked in and for need me more than I do them. I'll soon be going somewhere else and I do have a choice. Things like this happen when you are actually valuable and know your stuff. Guess you'll never know what it is like in your little bubble. I've seen some of you african americans outside your country and see the startled look in your faces when you see Africans, yes the ones from 'shithole' places doing great and don't feel inferior like you expect only white people to in your race-based society. Enjoy, your America while some of US enjoy your TV music sports and movies from a distance. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by TheEminentLaity: 2:31am On Jul 28, 2019 |
There is an immigrant/migration crisis in Europe at the moment, so many people on boats from Africa landing on coastal regions. So you see those 'black foreheads' almost everywhere in the EU nowadays. In Madrid, where they are welcome, they are come up in your faces with wrist bands and items at the city center and Metros. The ones in France seem to be more aggressive on TV with their frequent riots ![]() Anyway, living in a country is a whole lot different from just visiting. Do you speak French? and you are just being mischievous when you say Abuja is more beautiful than Paris. Well, it depends on what you take into consideration. Abuja is chilled, people who live there don't complain as much as some of us from other states. When you visit countries you mostly get to know about the aesthetics and terrain and a little of the culture but when you live there, then you actually live through their policies and laws and see a lot of what people, the citizens complain or are happy about. France can be great for education and other endeavours, it all depends on what you are going for and if you are fluent in the language. Personal experience, two friends both educated there one left to Germany and works with an international company, the other remained and is doing great in Finance as she could speak French before she left Nigeria. I have a number of other African colleagues who migrated that are also doing great across the EU and UK. It all depends on what one is going there to do. Is it going to be easy? Hell no! but believe there are more and more Africans doing great in those societies not playing football and singing. Illegal migration, which includes overstaying, is illegal and does not come with any rights. It seems permissible in the US because of legal technicalities but it still is a huge struggle which nobody with a decent income even in Nigeria should abandon everything for. The OP created this thread to warn, despite his own unique situation and how he wiggled his way through, but he sure knows. Only people who haven't been to the US think it's Eldorado. Anyway, suffer plenty for US pass the whole EU and UK combined and a certain way to partake in that suffering is to become an illegal in the US. The risk is worth it depending on where you are coming from. Opportunities are more in the US, bigger place, much bigger economy. Celepope: 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 4:23am On Jul 28, 2019 |
TheEminentLaity: It’s obvious you’ve never been outside of Nigeria or to America. That’s why you rely solely on google for your talking points. In your 10 million+ word missives you’ve never once discussed your personal observations of America/ns. It’s all recycled stereotypes from those who’ve never been here. Anyone who’s lived in America as an educated professional would be aware of the various socioeconomic classes in ALL races of people. It’s those that have never left the continent who believe all black Americans are in jail, poor and uneducated while all Whites are successful and rich. Black American women are the most educated group in the US. If you actually lived here you would’ve met plenty-especially in a city like NY. (And I’m still shocked that in your extensive googled research on the US you haven’t been able to find the information about the socioeconomic status of akatas from our US government website.) There’s no need for my activism. My ancestors took care of that. That’s why I don’t have to sit online making up lies in an attempt to mask my jealousy and embarrassment. I have a country I can be proud of. Don’t get me started on the crime and illiteracy in Nigeria. Sad that such poor people are expected to pay for school from the cradle to the grave and as a result millions of your elementary-aged kids are not even in school. And which is it? Do akatas not travel or did you run into us outside of our country shocked to see Africans doing well? That’s the thing about lies. They’re hard to keep straight. And if the institutions you worked for needed you so badly, they wouldn’t keep letting you go. Clearly you were replaceable (if I’m to believe you ever worked abroad). You’re angry that you must deal with visas, immigration, and trying to find a job ANYWHERE that will keep you from returning to an embarrassing and literal shithole while akatas can live comfortably in our American bubble and be perfectly content not going anywhere. Poor thing. 5 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Celepope: 7:09am On Jul 28, 2019 |
AkataWoman: Hey Madam E-Warrior, your attack on Nigeria is becoming irritating and i am shocked no one has called you to order.It is shameful that you had to sneak in towards the later part of this thread to showcase the despicable nature you guys are none for towards we Nigerians.If anyone wants to talk bad about Nigeria it shouldn't be an African-American who we all know how nasty they are. I am not trying to be racist here but take away these good for nothing beings and watch America regain her fast dwindling glory. As regards the farce you spew about African American women being the most educated have been proven to be lie countless times. Why speak about African American women and exempting the men? An average African American man has been to jail. I schooled in two states and during the course of my studies (STEM course) i can count the number of African American male in my classes. I attended a community college in a black city (Baltimore) way back and you barely see them in school. Immediately financial Aid refund is disbursed you won't see them again in school. Take away sport and entertainment and these guys cannot be associated with anything in America (liability).The same Nigeria you are insulting though we may not have the best educational system but we are years ahead more educated and knowledgeable than the so called African Americans even in their own country. You don't want to have a discussion with them because their ignorance will blow your mind. I still owe the believe that America is the greatest country in the world but an African American should not be the one to tell us sh.it about Nigeria. Btw an Average African American has mental issues and this is evident in the outburst from this lady. That describe why they are called Akata for those that don't know ![]() ![]() 8 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Nobody: 7:38am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Saintp:Bless you bro |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Ugosample(m): 7:52am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Saintp: NiggerArea is not even a country worth discussing it's been condemned and destroyed 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Ugosample(m): 7:58am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Celepope: to me there is NO difference whatsoever between the so called "akata" (I hate this term) and NiggerAreans these are two groups of people who think too much of themselves but aint shit our respective societies are broken and destroyed most of our people are not useful to themselves or our societies we have the outliers doing well but the fact is that a Nigerian or Afro American should be the last people to raise shoulder for anybody That is why I laugh when NoggerAreans try to show superiority complex over "Akata" or "Akata" wants to show he is "superior" or better off than Nigerians it's pot and Kettle You are both black ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Ugosample(m): 8:06am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Celepope: I say I have French folks who would never move back to live in France ever again That their ciminal govt wan use tax kill them not to talk of the homelessness |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AngelicBeing: 8:07am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Celepope:Hahaha, Lol at terrorist infested city, France is cool though compared to other shithole dead countries ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AngelicBeing: 8:18am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Ugosample: ![]() |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Ugosample(m): 8:20am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AngelicBeing: 8:21am On Jul 28, 2019 |
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Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by MikoB: 9:21am On Jul 28, 2019 |
You don't need to be foolish to make a point, France is not my country of origin even though I have dual nationality of France and Nigeria, anyway if it is the only wrong thing you saw wrong in France is some black asylum seekers and refuges on the street that should explain to you that you are foolish, in new York City the homeless dirty people you see on the street there are not immigrants they are Americans, moreover I don't need to argue Abuja with you because Nigeria is my country and nothing on earth will make me condemn my country to the world online. 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by MikoB: 9:27am On Jul 28, 2019 |
AkataWoman:I don't like arguing online because some idiots or small kids might be the one on the keyboard, like I said I love my country Nigeria, I only contributed to the subject because most Nigerians that have not gone outside or live outside the country before always think America is a heaven on earth which is totally wrong, if the topic was to be about Nigeria I would have contributed my quota too, I really wish my country well but like I said you don't have to insult to make a point. 5 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by MikoB: 9:29am On Jul 28, 2019 |
Celepope:: 9:21am You don't need to be foolish to make a point, France is not my country of origin even though I have dual nationality of France and Nigeria, anyway if it is the only wrong thing you saw wrong in France is some black asylum seekers and refuges on the street that should explain to you that you are foolish, in new York City the homeless dirty people you see on the street there are not immigrants they are Americans, moreover I don't need to argue Abuja with you because Nigeria is my country and nothing on earth will make me condemn my country to the world online. 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Babyvet: 11:21am On Jul 28, 2019 |
chris51: Exactly, plus who told them that Americans are just waiting to marry Nigerians. Nigerians can be very delusional. 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by MikoB: 5:15pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
TheEminentLaity: 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by wynna: 5:14pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
that country has become complicated with their current president 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 10:21pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Celepope: More silly baseless stereotypes. Again, do RESEARCH instead of relying on the same old lies Nigerians tell to feel better about yourselves. With all of your BS about black Americans, we are better off than you've ever been or will ever be. And we got to be that way by staying in our country and fighting for our rights. Those are the same rights that allow you to come over and try to better yourselves and your poverty stricken families. Why not stay and develop your own country if you're so smart? That's because you're not. You're leeches. If you were so gifted and smart, your country wouldn't be a shithole. And we can talk about the Nigerian immigrants in the US and the LIE you keep repeating about being the most educated. According to the US CENSUS--not an article written by a Nigerian--here's the actual data on the educational status of immigrants in the US. EDUCATION ATTAINMENT IN US IMMIGRANTS (2016) COUNTRY POPULATION 25 YEARS AND OLDER % WITH BACHELOR’S DEGREE OR HIGHER India 2,130,989 77.8 Taiwan 346,326 72.3 Russia 316,995 65.5 Bulgaria 61,989 63.6 Egypt 152,626 63.2 France 149,854 61.2 Australia 75,335 60.0 Nigeria 262,603 59.5 Malaysia 59,662 59.3 Saudi Arabia 56,099 58.8 Here's additional information about US immigrants: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ Now where's the proof black American women are not the most educated group? Mental illness? You think doing rituals, relying on juju, kidnapping, cutting up human bodies and selling it in food and jungle justice are NORMAL ![]() Only a mentally ill person would think that if they don't see a lot of black people in their community college classes that means black people don't go to school. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 10:27pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Ugosample: For me, this is not about appearing superior or looking down on anyone. It's about the fact that you're not going to shit on my people OR my country. There are ways to discuss the pros and cons of various countries without trying to shit on one. 1 Like |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by AkataWoman: 10:34pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Ugosample: Also, there are great differences between akatas and Nigerians. The black Americans doing well are not the outliers. We actually make up the majority of the race. (Again, that 80% is verifiable.) The only reasons SOME Nigerians try to show superiority is because of an inferiority complex. Your average educated black American who's living life is not running around trying to lord it over Nigerians. We don't have to. We feel completely comfortable in our skins. 3 Likes |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Ugosample(m): 7:18am On Jul 30, 2019 |
AkataWoman: the people who have said the most derogatory things about me as an African are mostly Afro Americans they talk as if they are any better .as long as you are a black man in this cold world It's the same damn thing there is ABSOLUTELY no basis for an African American to even THINK that by chance he is better than any African the same way Nigerians should not think he is better than African Americans because of thinking that they are descendents of slaves ![]() |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by gees101(m): 10:38am On Jul 30, 2019 |
AkataWoman:abaaaaaaaa aunty take am easy na , fine babe nor vex |
Re: Fleeing To The US ... A Word To The Wise. by Quintacs120: 3:47pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
Akatawoman seems like a very hateful woman who has probably been turned down by an African. I live here in the US. She’s saying black American women are one of the highest educated group in America. That’s a total lie. 80 percent of them are clueless and no nothing. What they care about is fucking, having babies and always blaming the system. Even white Americans, Asians and other groups don’t regard them and tend to avoid them completely. It’s so sad I would have to say this. I do hangouts with black Americans. 80 percent of my co/workers are black Americans and I know them. We get along very well and I don’t like to say anything negative about them. I can bet you that a white woman or Asian would prefer to interact and do business with an African than a black American. I have dated black American women, dated a white woman, dated a Spanish woman but I would say if you want something serious you’ve got to always go for a white woman. 80 percent of African American women are don’t know what love is. They are incapable of showing love and have no morals. I have hangout with them and I know them. I work for a delivery company in nyc and I have been to every corner of the city. There are many instances where I get treated better than my African American colleagues when we’re out on a run. AkataWoman: 7 Likes |
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