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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Nobody: 6:37am On Jul 26, 2019 |
It takes fools to Oppose Jesus and Buddha. When you know both schools of thought, and when you read the gospels carefully, it is very obvious that Jesus has been influenced by Buddhist thought to a great extend. I don't know if this exposure to Buddhist thought came as a result of a trip to India (as suggested by some archeological evidence) or if it is from his initiation in Egypt or from his essenic training or some other source. Still, many of his sayings, teachings parables and even healings have a Buddhist/ hindouist background. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 7:32am On Jul 26, 2019 |
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by DemonInSiege: 7:46am On Jul 26, 2019 |
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 7:55am On Jul 26, 2019 |
LoJ:More like similarities, and not background, I'd say. They seem to be of different sources to me with Buddhism originating from Hinduism and Jesus from what's seeming like Egypt. I'm finding out quite a whole lot came out of there! Everyone had a brain! History of Indian and Africana Philosophy HAP 01 - Something Old, Something New - Introducing Africana Philosophy 1 Like |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by MuttleyLaff: 8:13am On Jul 26, 2019 |
budaatum:I dislike when people upload audio without option to read, just like one site my missus too always gives me to listen to, and I literally going and am screaming what of those having hearing challenges but can read. FOLYKAZE, might like and enjoy the link Prof Sophie Oluwole RIP would be smiling in her grave at the mention of Africana Philosophy |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 8:36am On Jul 26, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:My eyes are not what they used to be so listening is the new book. You can pop it on phone and listen as you walk or pop it on stereo and listen in car as it's read to you. Besides, you'd never read this if it was a book. I'm taking my speaker to the park to get some sun today and blasting it starting all over again after getting to HAP21. This is so good I'm thinking of paying people to listen to the first five or I'll give you money back. Just ask! This is 28mb everyone. Cheaper than youtube and worth a lot more. |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 6:16pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
[quote author=budaatum post=80635930][/quote]Thanks uncle budatuum. It's time to read. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 8:05pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
budaatum:A nice read indeed. There are some similarities but many foundational differences. Please uncle budatuum, I will like to know how you managed to download this PDF copy, because I was unable to do same using my favourite; Google and all the sites that pop up. Thanks for sharing once more. God bless. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:20pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:09pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: The Prophets and the Ancient Gospel While it is a plain fact of history that the founder of Buddhism did indeed teach centuries before Jesus' earthly ministry, this is not the full picture. The gospel was preached by the prophets of God even earlier than that. Long before Siddhartha Gautama was born in India, the prophet Isaiah proclaimed that: • The Messiah would be God in the flesh (Isaiah 9:6) • He would be born of a virgin and called "God with us" (Isaiah 7:14). • He would be sinless, but would die for the sins of others and would rise from the dead unto glory, power, and victory (Isaiah 53). • Salvation would be found in repentance and quiet trust (Isaiah 30:15) • The repentant will be redeemed, and those who remain in their sins will be judged (Isaiah 1:27-28). This is the Christian gospel, preached not only before the coming of Jesus Christ but also before the life of Buddha as well. Jesus did not come to introduce this reality, but to fulfil it. This is why the apostle Paul writes: "Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures," (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Note the Paul does not merely report that these things occurred, but that they occurred "according to the Scriptures." The gospel is that which was written about long before and later fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself taught us this in saying: "'These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.' Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, 'Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things,'" (Luke 24:44-48) We can look at Balaam's prophecy in the time of Moses of the victorious star that would come forth from Jacob (Numbers 24:15-19). We can go back even further to Jacob's prophecy of Shiloh to come (Genesis 49:10). We can trace the message earlier still, to the time of Abraham and Isaac where it was foretold that, just as God had provided a ram in Isaac's place, God would one day again provide a substitute for his people on the holy mount (Genesis 22:13-14). Indeed, we can look back to the beginning of time at man's very first sin and see the promised seed of the woman would one day crush the serpent (Genesis 3:15). In all ages, it was foretold that the promised one would come. The gospel is as old as sin and suffering itself. There is no wisdom and no hope more ancient than this. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 10:49pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
CaveAdullam:You want to know how lol! Well, let me oblige you. I too used only google search, title+author+epub and dug through the popups. That's the work. If you don't seek you won't be finding anything, but you still provided the impetus for it when you said "Let there be", and tools, and voila, so you, uncle. I read, "store your wealth where the moths can't eat it" and think, in my head. Nothing can get at it there except death. So I chew paper. Stuffed my head full of it so I know where to look I think. You are aware your question, CaveAdullam, is, "how are you buda?" Lol. |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Nobody: 11:59pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
budaatum:Hey boss,I believe we've had conversations on other topics and from that, I do believe ur heart is in the right place ,but in this one there's really no wiggle room. One of the major tenets of Christianity is the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 15:14, the apostle Paul says: “if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.” We can argue and disagree on a wide range of doctrinal issues but as christains the life,death, bodily resurrection and identity of Jesus as God is not one of them. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 1:06am On Jul 27, 2019 |
omokoladejames:Are you saying Paul wrote that a tenet of Christianity is the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ? I doubt you are saying the Body of Christ is physically somewhere today 2000 years later. And I doubt Corinthians is that simple, Paul definitely wasn't. Can you explain what Paul's point was in 1 Cor:15? How you been? I have read so much that I am blind now so be patient please. When I see again I will respond.. |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Amujale(m): 3:54am On Jul 27, 2019 |
Great Nations dont have the time to be lapping up fakery, there are people on the continent that cannot wait to rise beyond greater heights. Religion is supposed to make one relative to virtuosness. Virtuosness is a fun and nice quality to have. Religion is not the problem its all the Abrahamic ones that are, they have been found out to be peddling falsities, fakery and manufactured history. 1 Like |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Amujale(m): 4:11am On Jul 27, 2019 |
Does it matter? Yes, it does matter. Buddha predates the making of the Jesus character. 1 Like |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:34am On Jul 27, 2019 |
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Nobody: 3:56pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
budaatum:I've been good boss, hope u good also. Yes , u are right, the book of Corinthians or any other book of the bible for that matter is not simple by any standard. But while we humbly grapple with the Bible's complexity, we are not to loose sight of the fundamentals. The fundamentals of the scriptures(atleast to the best of my understanding) is God created a good world and made humanity the crown jewel of His creation but through the actions of one man, evil entered into creation and with it came death and corruption. God in His mercy promised that evil won't get the last word and that he would redeem His creation from the power of sin and death. In keeping with this promise, God took on the corrupted flesh, lived a perfect life, showed humanity what it means to be truly human by the way he lived, allowed the weight of sin and death to crush him and by His resurrection, rendered both sin and death powerless. By these acts, God kept his part of the bargain and humanity is now given the choice of either accepting God's grace of redemption or rejecting it and going his own way. 1 Corinthians 15 deals with that last act of the promise. Apparently some factions in the Corinthian church did not believe in the resurrection of the dead. The Greeks did have different views of the afterlife, some believed the soul lived on in Hades, some believed there's nothing after death while others supported the pantheistic believe and did not support the idea of personal immortality. One thing all these beliefs share in common was that they didn't believe in the resurrection of the body. Paul begins his message by iterating one of the first things he passed on to them: " Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, he was buried and was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures"1 cor 3-4(paraphrase). He made them understand that they didn't just have to take his word that Christ arose from the dead, the risen Christ appeared to over 500 people including the apostles, many of whom were still alive, so it was something they could fact check. The second part of the chapter deals with the implications of the rejecting the resurrection of the dead. Basically Paul's argument was, if there's no resurrection of the dead, then Christ himself couldn't have been resurrected and if Christ was not risen from the dead then our faith is useless and we are still in our sins. The last part deals with how the dead are resurrected and what type of body will they come with. This part has sparked debates amongst christains as Paul used imagery and theological language here but one thing most sides of the divide agree on is that the risen body would be incorruptible and immortal. I'm sure there are alot of people here who are more qualified than I am that can break down this section better. I know I barely scratched the surface here but I hope you can see why the bodily resurrection of Christ was so important to the apostles and the early church. Luke 24:36-42 is just one of the verses that showed Jesus was bodily alive after death on the cross, and u can look up many other instances of this in the gospels and letters. The early church fathers also made sure this teaching was passed down uncorrupted by repeating it in their writings and writing against those who believed otherwise. Just as an aside if I may: Christianity is one of those religions that cannot be mixed with other worldviews or philosophies, no matter how harmless or noble they seem at face value. Though I applaud your thirst for knowledge and understanding, one has to be careful in one's quest for knowledge because not all knowledge is from God and we have to be careful of the kind of knowledge we consume 1timothy 6:20 is one of such admonitions of many. Christianity is an all-in worldview, it impossible to be a Christian and follower of any other religion. Right from the time of the apostles, Christianity has always stood against any form of syncretism. We are called to be all-in followers of Christ while respectfully(all humans deserve to be treated with respect and dignity regardless of their beliefs and position) rejecting other worldviews. I pray your eyes get better speedily.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 2:22pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
budaatum:please uncle budatuum, do you have the complete volumes i.e volume 1-3 or only volume 3 of the the book in the light of the truth; grail message? 1 Like |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 2:29pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
CaveAdullam:In the Light of Truth Grail Message by Abdrushin I am not uncle! Call me buda. 1 Like |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by MuttleyLaff: 2:42pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
budaatum:Ooku somebody doesnt want to die. Share this your elixir of youth, dont be chopping it in secret and alone ooo |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 2:42pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
Thanks for your prayers, I can see again! Please know that buda does not "believe". I have stated this so many times and getting tired of it being suggested to. Please do not ask me to do what satan does. I agree with what you've written. Here is my understanding. Those in whom Jesus lives not are dead. The Lord with you too. omokoladejames: |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Nobody: 7:51pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU! OLAADEGBU!! OLAADEGBU!!! How many ears have you? ![]() When i told you that Your Daddy Superintendent Kumuyi is a DISFELLOWSHIPED JW you were arguing as if you grew up beside him! Please tell Nairalanders that this post is not true or tell everyone the name of the Church that excommunicated your Daddy Kumuyi if not Jehovah's Witnesses! ![]()
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 1:22pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
budaatum:Thanks buda. The book has 3 volumes but this PDF copy you sent only contains volume 1and 2. Can you please help me with the volume 3. 1 Like |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:54pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: The Commandments There is a well-known story in the gospels in which Jesus is approached by a wealthy man desiring to inherit eternal life. Jesus questions the man on his keeping of the commandments, to which the man retorts by asking Jesus to which commandments he is referring. Jesus replied: "You shall not commit murder; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; you shall honour your father and mother; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself," Matthew 19:18-19 If you tell this much of the story to a Buddhist monk, he will likely smile in agreement. While the terminology of "eternal life" is quite the opposite of the Buddhist hope, the commands listed here he would generally find quite familiar and agreeable. Five centuries before Jesus spoke these words to that young man, Buddha laid out the eightfold path to enlightenment and Nirvana. He taught that "right action" was necessary, which specifically included abstaining from killing, stealing, and adultery. He taught that right speech was necessary, which specifically included abstaining from deceit and false witness. The Buddhist would see Jesus as merely affirming what Buddha had already established long before Him. But the Buddhist would be mistaken. While there are certainly basic ethical teachings in Buddhism that are also found in Christianity, Christianity holds to them based on sources far older than the time of Siddhartha Gautama. Six hundred years before Buddha ever spoke a word, God revealed all of these commandments to Moses. They were written down in the Torah and expounded upon in the prophets and other biblical writings all before Buddha was ever born. If ancient origins give one faith greater claim to these commands than the other, then Christians certainly hold the stronger claim. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by PastorAIO: 2:33pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:56pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
budaatum: And why they are all fake. https://www.nairaland.com/4108872/22-reasons-all-scholars-agree 1 Like
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 3:22pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
budaatum:No volume 3, still volume 1 and 2. The volume 3 contains 62 lectures. 1 Like
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by Nobody: 3:25pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Surely atheists are wrong because they are like tourists relying on fellow tourists to lead them through the terrain in a strange land! And their brothers are churchgoers credulously following an excommunicated member of another Church who publicly declared he was justly disfellowshiped Jesus said when a blind man is leading another blind man both of them will fall into the pit! Matthew 15:14 ![]()
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Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by budaatum: 3:47pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
CaveAdullam:Well, sorry, that's all you're going to get for free on this one. Some books you just have to pay for to value and I'd say this is one of them. Happy hunting, and reading. |
Re: Does It Matter That Buddha Came Long Before Jesus? by CaveAdullam: 3:56pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
budaatum:I tell you buda. Lol. Thanks for your assistance. 1 Like |
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