| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by amdman: 10:27pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
seunfly:
Is it negotiable?
Can I also get this particular model in attached pics instead of what u offer. Both are same LE trim |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by seunfly: 10:29pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
amdman:
Both are same LE trim Ok |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by amdman: 10:29pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Same LE trim at N4m 1 Like 
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| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by oshdam2015: 6:56am On Jul 30, 2019 |
How much can you get Acura TSX or the Honda Accord Europe 2005. Very clean and good milleage. You know they are exactly the same thing. amdman:
N4m |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by cluewebhost(m): 9:52am On Jul 30, 2019 |
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| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by amdman: 3:10pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
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| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by amdman: 3:11pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
oshdam2015:
How much can you get Acura TSX or the Honda Accord Europe 2005. Very clean and good milleage. You know they are exactly the same thing. You can budget N1.3m - N1.5m |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Kreamie(m): 3:20pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
amdman sir. How much can you get RX330. Very clean and good mileage?? |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by yehmy(m): 3:24pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
God when   4 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by oshdam2015: 3:29pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
Cool. I will appreciate you inform me when you get one. The Acura preferably though. amdman:
You can budget N1.3m - N1.5m |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Compliant(m): 3:44pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
@ amdman please I am in need of Nissan Micra, automatic transmission and very clean
Waiting to get total cost
Thanks |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by kayode71: 6:41pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
Hello Admin PLS can you and your team get me TOYOTA CAMRY 2008 AND THE COST OF IT AND LANDING COST AND CLEARING ALL TOGETHER TO LAGOS |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by urose93(f): 7:18pm On Jul 30, 2019 |
Please can 1.2million land a beautiful 2003 Toyota Camry?.
I need it asap 1 Like |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by codedcliq: 3:20pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater 22 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Muyesky(m): 3:42pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater Many thanks for sharing this with us madam. In as much as I don't intend supporting either of you here, certain things must be brought to bare: 1. Demurrage starts reading, I think from the third day after the ship berths and not 21 days. I stand to be corrected. 2. You don't have to be an agent to drive your cleared car from the port as long as you have valid cleared papers. I have done this severally and I am not an agent. 3. Maybe there was a communication gap between the two of you but I remember reading in on their thread where he said to pick up at the port. 4. As for the additional cost of 20k to 50k, I guess you both need to come to an understanding and settle things amicably. You have waited patiently and passionately for your car and now that it is finally here, please do the needful and collect so we can come wash am for you  . Understanding heals the world......all the best. 28 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Muyesky(m): 3:44pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
And please, if you don't have anything constructive to input don't use this as an opportunity to bring the OP down. ...... vultures in the corner  8 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Eddee(m): 4:04pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
Muyesky:
You have waited patiently and passionately for your car and now that it is finally here, please do the needful and collect so we can come wash am for you . codedcliq I think you and Amdman can come to an accord 2 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by martyns200(m): 4:22pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater Just want to chip in something, I bought a car from another source from Canada as well, the person used hapag Lloyd, initially eta was July 13th, later it changed to July 20, hours later I saw July 19th and at the end of it all July 20th. The eta later showed 21st few hours layer 22nd and update to eta was updated in time until ship berthed on the 23rd at 247am. So I believe u go by the tracking details which would really give u a definite eta when its berthed. But when I asked the person who shipped my car down the reason for the eta changing from time to time when its past arrival date as earlier specified. His reply was its the problem with Nigerian sea ports, likely due to congestion and non availability of space for ship to berth. I stand to be corrected though cos I don't know how true that is 6 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by TotoNaRubber: 4:39pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
Tracking shipment online gives inaccurate information, I currently have containers loaded with stuff, the initial tracking said they will arrive on the 12th of this month but as time went by the tracking dates changed from 12th to 28th and now it currently says containers will arrive next month. If i wasn't the one who shipped the containers i wouldn't have believed the tracking information.
My advice to Op is this, factor in delays in container shipment into the time you give to clients for example if container usually takes 5 weeks, inform customers the container will take 8 weeks, the additional 3 weeks will be for logistics, so if the container happens to arrive earlier than 8 weeks you will still be in good standing with the client.
Funny enough Airlines add additional 15 minutes to local flights across all flights all over the world, this is to factor in logistic delay. If you are frequent flyer, you will realize sometimes you arrive at your usual destination faster than the usual, have you ever wondered why, the distance on the cloud didn't get shorter lol. It was because time factor for logistics was better utilized for that flight.
Whatever happens in pricing, OP seems to be fair informing you your previous choice was no longer available and allowed you make a choice on the second purchase.
It is good you brought it here so we have an idea, in this instant, the Op acted fairly and i suggest you speak to Op to find out how to get your car from port to your bedroom sorry your house.
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| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by ojeysky(m): 4:57pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
It's good you've raised your concern and from what I read, all these may be due to miscommunication. I did an HL through someone else sometime ago, I was also as curious and perhaps more curious than you. I asked for the shipping details and was provided a draft as well, asked for original and got similar response as you got from him. When I asked for delivery at my location outside Lagos, I got similar price range as you got. However the agent of my customer that cleared my car took the car to my customer's address in Lagos which was where I picked up. I think it should be possible for amdmam's agent to deliver the car to a specific location within Lagos where you can pick-up (incase your location in Lagos is too far; yes certain 15KM can take hours to get to in Lagos  ) Finally you could find time to pick-up at port (heard it's even better as one can ensure certain car accessories don't get missing, in my case my jerk was stolen) and pay up once you receive your car. I certainly believe that it is fair that you see your car before paying balance and I hope Amdman will agree with that as well All the best and do keep us posted. codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater 3 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Empiree: 7:04pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
This sounds like common business sarauta. It doesn't suggest fraudulent activities. If you dont receive your goods at all and no money refunded, then i have problems with that. I do thank you very much for bringing this up. Hope Amdman would rectify whatever the problem is. Remember, customers always right *wink* codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater 3 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Kreamie(m): 7:32pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
In flight, there’s something called headwind and tailwind. Only true aviators understand this. There’s no factoring in any excess time. The headwind and the tail wind are the only factors. TotoNaRubber:
Tracking shipment online gives inaccurate information, I currently have containers loaded with stuff, the initial tracking said they will arrive on the 12th of this month but as time went by the tracking dates changed from 12th to 28th and now it currently says containers will arrive next month. If i wasn't the one who shipped the containers i wouldn't have believed the tracking information.
My advice to Op is this, factor in delays in container shipment into the time you give to clients for example if container usually takes 5 weeks, inform customers the container will take 8 weeks, the additional 3 weeks will be for logistics, so if the container happens to arrive earlier than 8 weeks you will still be in good standing with the client.
Funny enough Airlines add additional 15 minutes to local flights across all flights all over the world, this is to factor in logistic delay. If you are frequent flyer, you will realize sometimes you arrive at your usual destination faster than the usual, have you ever wondered why, the distance on the cloud didn't get shorter lol. It was because time factor for logistics was better utilized for that flight.
Whatever happens in pricing, OP seems to be fair informing you your previous choice was no longer available and allowed you make a choice on the second purchase.
It is good you brought it here so we have an idea, in this instant, the Op acted fairly and i suggest you speak to Op to find out how to get your car from port to your bedroom sorry your house.
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| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by deepwater(f): 8:36pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
Kreamie:
In flight, there’s something called headwind and tailwind. Only true aviators understand this. There’s no factoring in any excess time. The headwind and the tail wind are the only factors. Obviously you missed his point Go back and read it again This time slowly! When u fail in class, you will be blaming village people. 8 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by deepwater(f): 8:37pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater We never grind beans, moi moi don dey smell Everyone seems to be more concerned about 20k - 50k (this is not an issue, deepwater will pay that for u as a friend ) First things First Where is your car?  On the flip side, and as you know already, OP is a man who speaks the law very well, he wouldn't want to break any law himself. he knows how wordings work in context of contracts.... I would advise you reach a compromise with him to deliver, 1km to anywhere from TIN CAN is equivalent to a journey for the brave only...thanks to bad road. However, not an issue, cars dey enter steady even as i type. Agents know their ways. If i had my way, ur post should have been a testimony, u have waited this long already! do the needful and complete the journey so we can celebrate your new whip here with you. But Oga where ya moto dey 3 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Kreamie(m): 8:50pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
Seen and ignored deepwater:
Obviously you missed his point
Go back and read it again
This time slowly!
When u fail in class, you will be blaming village people.
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| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by deepwater(f): 8:53pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
Kreamie:
Seen and ignored when u ignore things, dont call attention. Now u failed that part again Can u just get it right next time? 9 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by portacabin: 9:31pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.
Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.
Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim
"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"
How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.
Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal
He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.
Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:
1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase
The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.
Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:
"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"
So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.
He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.
He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.
The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.
Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.
I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.
Cc: deepwater 1.The containers from Canada are transhipped in Europe, so there wont be a bill of laden (for clearing in Nigeria) until the ship has sailed on the 2nd leg. 2. Demurage starts to count on the 4th day. 3.The clearing fees should be paid in principle before the ship berths to reduce clearing time and this was emphasized at the very beginning . 4. I believe, that the OP is a man of integrity and he will deliver the goods as promised. 5. Driving out any vehicle from Apapa axis is a very demanding task these days, and nobody will do it for free. 6. A very dubious person who knows his way around the ports practices can actually clear a vehicle with a kind of indemnity( without original bill of laden. This explains OPs reluctance to hand over a bill of laden for 4 cars to a person that owns just 1 car. 7. This is probably OPs first transaction, so the process will improve with further shipments 15 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by deepwater(f): 9:44pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
portacabin:
1.The containers from Canada are transhipped in Europe, so there wont be a bill of laden until the ship has sailed on the 2nd leg. 2. Demmurage starts to count on the 4 th day. 3.The clearing fees should be paid in principle before the ship berths to reduce clearing time and this was emphasized at the very beginning . 4. I believe, that the OP is a man of integrity and he will deliver the goods as promised. 5. Driving out any vehicle from Apapa axis is a very demanding task this days, and nobody will do it for free. 6. A very dubious person who knows his way around the ports practies can actually clear a vehicle with a kind of indemnity( without original bill of laden. this explains OPs reluctance to hand over a bill of laden for 4 cars to a person that owns just 1 car well said, but OP should comfort his clients. The people that bring money and business to him is very important. Even if you deliver the cars successfully and the buy is not pleased with the process, s/he would not be happy. OP portrays to do more than car selling, but peace of mind as well. AMDMAN, find way to connect the car to your customer, someone that trusted you on a porous platform like this with over 1million naira deserves some hugs at end of contract and not public dispute, 19 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by codedcliq: 9:48pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
deepwater:
We never grind beans, moi moi don dey smell
Everyone seems to be more concerned about 20k - 50k (this is not an issue, deepwater will pay that for u as a friend )
First things First
Where is your car?
On the flip side, and as you know already, OP is a man who speaks the law very well, he wouldn't want to break any law himself. he knows how wordings work in context of contracts....
I would advise you reach a compromise with him to deliver, 1km to anywhere from TIN CAN is equivalent to a journey for the brave only...thanks to bad road. However, not an issue, cars dey enter steady even as i type. Agents know their ways.
If i had my way, ur post should have been a testimony, u have waited this long already! do the needful and complete the journey so we can celebrate your new whip here with you.
But Oga where ya moto dey Thanks. I copied you because I assume you have your car in the second container as well. I requested for the number of the clearing agent from him since July 25th so I can make arrangement for the delivery. Like I said, no major issue with his terms of contract (even if they were not spelt out before advance was paid). If he has sent the number of the clearing agent when I requested, my first post on this thread would have been the confirmation that car has arrived. He has finally sent the number of the clearing agent to me. I will contact the person to make necessary arrangements for the delivery. Thanks everyone. Like the people above said, this is just miscommunication. Though I have to add that a businessman also shouldn't be too rigid. I will update once I reach agreement with the clearing agent and also pay amdman the balance shortly. 7 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by codedcliq: 10:03pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
portacabin:
1.The containers from Canada are transhipped in Europe, so there wont be a bill of laden (for clearing in Nigeria) until the ship has sailed on the 2nd leg.
2. Demurage starts to count on the 4th day.
3.The clearing fees should be paid in principle before the ship berths to reduce clearing time and this was emphasized at the very beginning . 4. I believe, that the OP is a man of integrity and he will deliver the goods as promised. 5. Driving out any vehicle from Apapa axis is a very demanding task these days, and nobody will do it for free. 6. A very dubious person who knows his way around the ports practices can actually clear a vehicle with a kind of indemnity( without original bill of laden. This explains OPs reluctance to hand over a bill of laden for 4 cars to a person that owns just 1 car.
7. This is probably OPs first transaction, so the process will improve with further shipments Your point number 5 - I am not asking it to be done for free. My request was simple. Give me the number of the clearing agent let me make arrangement with him. Of course that won't be free. Your point number 6 - possible with RORO but extremely difficult with container, which is what he is using. Like I stated in my last post, he has sent the number of the clearing agent and I have chatted him up. Waiting for his response. Thanks for your input. 3 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by deepwater(f): 10:16pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
codedcliq:
Thanks. I copied you because I assume you have your car in the second container as well.
I requested for the number of the clearing agent from him since July 25th so I can make arrangement for the delivery. Like I said, no major issue with his terms of contract (even if they were not spelt out before advance was paid). If he has sent the number of the clearing agent when I requested, my first post on this thread would have been the confirmation that car has arrived.
He has finally sent the number of the clearing agent to me. I will contact the person to make necessary arrangements for the delivery.
Thanks everyone. Like the people above said, this is just miscommunication. Though I have to add that a businessman also shouldn't be too rigid.
I will update once I reach agreement with the clearing agent and also pay amdman the balance shortly. @bolded, OP is operating on a lean budget obviously he is not here to kill but let the cars come in peace, nothing beats that. 5 Likes |
| Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Asquare84(m): 10:22pm On Jul 31, 2019 |
Muyesky:
Many thanks for sharing this with us madam. In as much as I don't intend supporting either of you here, certain things must be brought to bare:
1. Demurrage starts reading, I think from the third day after the ship berths and not 21 days. I stand to be corrected.
2. You don't have to be an agent to drive your cleared car from the port as long as you have valid cleared papers. I have done this severally and I am not an agent.
3. Maybe there was a communication gap between the two of you but I remember reading in on their thread where he said to pick up at the port.
4. As for the additional cost of 20k to 50k, I guess you both need to come to an understanding and settle things amicably.
You have waited patiently and passionately for your car and now that it is finally here, please do the needful and collect so we can come wash am for you .
Understanding heals the world......all the best. I think she is truly vulture in the corner waiting for the downfall of oop, all the issues raised here are not relevant 1 Like 2 Shares |
