PresterrJohnn:

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Amujale:
The truth is that its a con job invented by first century Roman aristocrats and highly educated ancient Arabian scholars trying to get us to believe in ficticious characters from inside their chosen and personal bibliographies.

All those Abrahamic religious text are not what they claims to be, instead they are bibliographies, a compilation of various stories and typologies from accross the globe, the contents which have been re-packaged, sex-ed up or outrightly fabricated.

Amujale:



Africans are the first people to arrive on planet earth.

The West Asian narrative is false.

A better way of putting it is that all Abrahamic religious text peddle fakery.

Assuming one wants to learn about history, then its either one study courses relating to history or read books written by genuine historians.

Abrahamic text does not contain real history. Its a massive charade.

PresterrJohnn:

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Amujale:


The truth is that its a con job invented by first century Roman aristocrats and highly educated ancient Arabian scholars trying to get us to believe in ficticious characters from inside their chosen and personal bibliographies.

All those Abrahamic religious text are not what they claims to be, instead they are bibliographies, a compilation of various stories and typologies from accross the globe, the contents which have been re-packaged, sex-ed up or outrightly fabricated.

Amujale:
All Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuive.

Amujale:
The Quran is a propagandist tool for the Islamic powers on the Arabian penisula, whilst the Christian Bible is a propagandist tool for the Roman Catholic church.

They are both invented as weapons of mass destruction.

Its all a massive charade.

Amujale:

Africans are the first people to arrive on planet earth.

Whilst Africans are living in their glourious communities for thousands upon thousands of years, there was no people living in Asia.

All Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

Empiree:
Talk is cheap

Empiree:
You can copy and paste trash as much as you want. Truth doesn't need to make noise to convince others. Truth manifested by statistics

Only empty religion makes the loudest noise despite their propaganda. As you can see from a statistic Christianity is going down in Nigeria like nose diving aircraft.

And in Sha Allah CHRISTIANITY will continue to go down no matter what Kumuyi does. No matter what Adeboye does. No matter what Oyedepo does. No matter what TB Joshua does. No matter what all those fake miracle pastors do, CHRISTIANITY will forever go down.

A false religion is bound to evaporate.


There is no need to engage you in back to back debate. Let truth speaks for itself. Ododo ti de iro pamo. Truth has come... Falsehood vanished.

true2god:
Who guarded it, you or allah? Your Islamic source document always proove you wrong.

(Goat ate a copy of the quran)
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it (sunnah ibn Majjah 1944)

(verses of the quran cancelled)
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
For thirty days Allah's Apostle invoked Allah to curse those who had killed the companions of Bir-Mauna;
he invoked evil upon the tribes of Ral, Dhakwan, and Usaiya who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. There was reveled about those who were killed at Bir-Mauna a Quranic Verse we used to recite, but it was cancelled later on. The Verse was: Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased.(sahih bukari 4:52:69).

Narrated Tawus:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's Apostle set out from Medina to Mecca and he fasted till he reached 'Usfan, where he asked for water and raised his hand to let the people see him, and then broke the fast, and did not fast after that till he reached Mecca, and that happened in Ramadan." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "Allah's Apostle (sometimes) fasted and (sometimes) did not fast during the journeys so whoever wished to fast could fast, and whoever wished not to fast, could do so."

Narrated Nafi:
Ibn 'Umar recited the verse: They had a choice either to fast or to feed a poor person for every day, and said that the order of this Verse was cancelled.(sahih bukhari 3:31:169-170).

You claimed that your quran is 'perfectly preserved' but your hadith says otherwise. Who do I believe, you or your Islamic source documents? If you want more proves that your quran is not complete, i will do that for free.

true2god:
So by your logic the higher the population the more real Islam is? This logic does not make sense.

Empiree:
there is only one version of Qur'an which is arabic Qur'an. Those different translated Qur'an are not versions but translations of the meaning of Qur'an. Those translated copies are not Qur'an.

Op is only being a clown and jealous.

Empiree:
You like quoting fabricated and controversial stuff. Quran is the only authority. If Quran is saying A and Hadith is saying B, which do we believe?. Our methodology is we use Quran if hadith conflicts with it. Hadith can never sit in judgement over Quran laelae. So this are just stories written by people who had selfish interest. They would fabricate Hadith and claimed a companion or wife of prophet said it to make it sound reputable. What a load of crap!

Empiree:
This is how you know it is fabricated. Look at the first which claimed goat ate copy of Quran . Which paper? Paper did not even exist. Quran was written on different fragments or particles which included bones. Paper was not one of them. Goat don't eat bones. Besides this story did not trace back to the prophet himself. And according to Bible, no one can tell story better except oneself. So only prophet muhammad (saw) could validate this but he didn't say anything about it.

Empiree:
Your Bible says in John 8:18 King James Version (KJV)

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.


Which means only Allaah and prophet could validate this fake story but they didn't. So it is fake story. Not only that but the rest. I know how evangelical Christians work. They love quote trash.

Empiree:
good news is you didn't dispute this fact. If it doesn't make sense then tell us which of the many CHRISTIANITIES is correct according to Jesus?

true2god:
I have no time going back and forth on a statistic provided by the america's CIA. The fact is that religion is not included in our national census so I wonder where CIA get their estimated figure from. As I said earlier, it is a subjective conclusion that the demographics of Nigeria's religious affiliation is 50% (Muslims), 40% (Christians) and 10% (others). There is no any available data to validate this claim.

true2god:
I quoted sahih bukhari and sunnah ibn majjah and you said they are 'fabricated and controversial stuff'. So you are aware that your hadith is filled with 'fabricated and controversial stuff' but yet you keep quoting it to validate you points. This is called HYPOCRISY. Islam is filled with 'bait and switch' strategy, depending on the circumstance a muslim find himself. It is intellectually dishonest to validate an argument using a particular book, when it suits you, and call same book 'fabricated and controversial stuff'.

if you can condemn your own hadith as being 'fabricated and controversial stuff', what legitimacy does Islam has as a true religion? Over 80% of Islamic teachings, laws and practices are in the hadith and not the quran. Thid should give you a course for concern.

true2god:
Why are you talking as if you are not a true muslims? Haven't you heard of the Hafs, warsh, doori, etc quran? These are variants arabic qurans with differences. I have educated you on this before.

Empiree:
Story story... But if this data was attributed to muslim authority you would be different.

true2god:
I am not interested in the body or organization that makes the claim but the source of the data used to reach the conclusion. A simple research methodology requires a data to draw an inference which CIA never did or never had. If you can provide the source data CIA used it will be better.

Empiree:
but why are you concern now after you already claimed population doesn't matter or not a proof?. Why are you now struggling to establish accurate data?. Take your protest to cia field office WosinTon

Islam dominates in Nigeria, period.

Empiree:
but why are you concern now after you already claimed population doesn't matter or not a proof?. Why are you now struggling to establish accurate data?. Take your protest to cia field office WosinTon

Islam dominates in Nigeria, period.

true2god:
I am not concerned to establish which religion is the largest in Nigeria but the truth. If Islam is the largest religion in Nigeria it makes no difference in the current socio-political order. I am only interested in the truth .

true2god:
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You said Islam dominate Nigeria, how? Your claim can be right if you say Islam dominate the core Northern states of Nigeria, being occupied by the Fulanis and the Hausas. You are talking as if you grow up in Ghana.

Empiree:
as you can see muslim dominated core north and hover SW/SE

true2god:
Do you still believe that there is only 1 version of the quran? Do you still believe that there are no changes in the quran and the quran is still the same as Mohammed dictated it to his sahabas? Do you still believe that there are no ayah missing in the quran? Do you still believe that that surah alfathiha is part of the 7th century quran? If you do, you have been scammed by the Arabs.

Empiree:


Thauban reported that the messenger of Allah said: "It is near that the nations will call one another against you just as the eaters call one another to their dishes." Somebody asked: "Is this because we will be few in numbers that day?" He said: "Nay, but that day you shall be numerous, but you will be like the foam of the sea, and Allah will take the fear of you away from your enemies and will place weakness into your hearts." Somebody asked: "What is this weakness?" He said: "The love of the world and the dislike of death." (Abu Daud)

This Hadith teaches us important lesson. Look at bold is exactly what's happening. Every nation invades and attacks Muslim countries. They called us terrorists and steal resources.

Look at the underlined says number of Muslims will continue to rise. Or what's the meaning of numerous?. Check your dictionary. You still think Prophet muhammad (SAW) is a false prophet after showing you this obvious prophecies?. Think again, sir.

Empiree:
you like quoting fabricated and controversial stuff. Quran is the only authority. If Quran is saying A and Hadith is saying B, which do we believe?. Our methodology is we use Quran if hadith conflicts with it. Hadith can never sit in judgement over Quran laelae. So this are just stories written by people who had selfish interest. They would fabricate Hadith and claimed a companion or wife of prophet said it to make it sound reputable. What a load of crap!

This is how you know it is fabricated. Look at the first which claimed goat ate copy of Quran . Which paper? Paper did not even exist. Quran was written on different fragments or particles which included bones. Paper was not one of them. Goat don't eat bones. Besides this story did not trace back to the prophet himself. And according to Bible, no one can tell story better except oneself. So only prophet muhammad (saw) could validate this but he didn't say anything about it.
Your Bible says in John 8:18 King James Version (KJV)

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Which means only Allaah and prophet could validate this fake story but they didn't. So it is fake story. Not only that but the rest. I know how evangelical Christians work. They love quote trash