sagenaija:


You twist and turn things at will. When you think it will serve your purpose, you'll claim that Koran is the only authority. When Koran alone will not serve your purpose, you'll run to the hadith. You therefore make statements without clearly considering the implications of such statements. If Koran is the ONLY authority, then it simply means there is no recourse to ANY other "authority". ONLY means - alone; without any other.

But we ALL KNOW that Moslems DO NOT rely ONLY on the Koran. Herein lies the hypocrisy of Islam and Moslems. At the end of the day ANYTHING goes in Islam. Koran, hadith, mysticism - name it, are all found inside the cesspool of Islam.

To attempt to win an argument you can claim that the Koran was whole during the lifetime of the prophet. If the next argument wouldn't fly with that you run to ' it was written on different fragments or particles which included bones'. So, like I've said over and over again - islam speaks ALWAYS from both sides of the mouth.

A simple question to debunk you is this:
Do you not have things in the hadith that are not in the Koran which Moslems practice today?

Now on Islam reverting to being something strange, and retreating between the two Masajid:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Haraira that the messenger of Allah said:
Islam initiated as something strange, and it would revert to its (old position) of being strange, so good tidings for the stranger.
“Islam began among a few individuals, then it spread and prevailed, then it will reduce in numbers until there are only a few left, as it was in the beginning”

In Sharh Saheeh Muslim, Al-Nawawi quoted al-Qadi’Iyad as saying concerning the meaning of this hadeeth. It says in Fatawa al-Lajnah al-Daimah, 2/170
The meaning of this hadeeth is that Islam began as something strange, when the messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) called people to Islam, but no one responded except a few here and there. At that time it was something strange because its people were like strangers amongst others and they were few in numbers and strength of their enemies who persecuted the Muslims … ….
The Islamic state was established and Islam spread … …
So the enemies of Islam found a way in and they colonized their lands, humiliated their people and treated them badly. This is the way in which Islam returned to being strange as it was in the beginning.

See these for confirmation:
http://sunnah.com/muslim/1/279
http://islamqa.info/en/45855

Now,who's the clown, Empir.ee?

Empiree:
Deaf, dumb and blind. Quran is the only authority and hadith will forever be considered in as much it is in harmony with it. No difference here.

sagenaija:

E.mpiree, did you finish your primary school?

true2god:
Let's keep to this issue: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections.

Empiree:
No, I dropped out

Amujale:
The Quran is a fraud.

Let the words sink into the condons of my mind and set me free. The Quran is a fraud.

The Quaran is not what it claims to be, instead its a bibliography; a compilation of religious text from all accross the globe, the contents of which have been repackaged, plagerised, sexed-up or outrightly fabricated.

Amujale:
Similar to Eurocentric institutions, West Asian institutions peddle false history.

African historians are able to conclude that all Abrahamic religious text are book of fiction that bears no relevance to real history.

Amujale:
All Abrahamic text are silent Weapons Of Mass Destruction.

sagenaija:
Quranic Corrections Ep. 5 - Inserting Allah into the Quran and Other Changes

CIRA International
Published on Jul 29, 2019

We continue in this episode with four examples of corrections taken from Dr Brubaker's book, entitled, 'Correction in Early Qur'an Manuscripts'.

Example 2: This second example Dr Brubaker provides is an erasure from Surah 42:21 found in the Petropolitanus Manuscript, situated in Paris, France (BnF Arabe 328, fol. 58v.). Pictured in the book is the second of three instances where the word ‘Lahum’ (‘to them’ or ‘for them’) is
used.

Originally the phrase used the word ‘lahu’ (‘to him’ - singular) but was erased and then written over top with ‘lahum’, making it plural. So, while it used to say, ‘Or do they have associates who enacted for him’, it now says ‘Or do they have associates who enacted for them’.

While both phrases are correct grammatically, it seems that the only reason this was changed was in order to make the existing text correspond to the 1924 Hafs text.

Remember, this is the text chosen by Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Husayni
al-Haddad from Al Azhar university in Cairo as the standard for all of the high schools in the city of Cairo, so that they could have
standardized answers to the exams on the Qur’an.

This became so successful that in 1936 they made this ‘Hafs’ text the standard for all of Egypt, naming it the ‘Faruq edition’ to commemorate king Faruq who was crowned that year. In 1985, King Fahd, of Saudi Arabia, noticed how successful the Egyptian model was, and so decided to make the ‘Hafs’ text standard for all the world. So, the Qur’an we are using today, was first created by a student in Kufa in 796 AD, then became the standard in Cairo in 1924, and the standard for Egypt it 1936, and finally became standard for the whole world in 1985, just 34 years ago; proving that our current Qur’an is a very new creation.

Example 3: Here we have examples of 9 different instances with
insertions of the word ‘Allah’ (the word for god), inserted mostly in
the Fustat Umayyad Codex. All of them were added either above the line, or within the text, squeezed between other words, and often written in a different ink, proving that they were all added at a later date, and by a different scribe.

In every case the word ‘Allah’ was not really needed, but the fact that they were added, proves that the reason was to correspond with the 1924 ‘Hafs’ text.

Example 4: In this example we find a definite erasure of a word in Surah 30:9, which Dan photographed in the Marcel 2 manuscript, located in the National Library of Russia (NLR), in St. Petersburg (folio 30v), where Dr Brubaker went personally to investigate and take the pictures.

A later scribe erased the word but had nothing to replace it. The
erasure is located between the words ‘aqibatu’ (‘the fate’) and
‘alladhina’ (‘of those’).

The size of the erasure suggests a word with around 4-6 letters, and Dr Brubaker surmises that it could have been a number of possibilities, including ‘kullu min’ (‘all of’), or ‘kathiran min’ (‘most of’), or even ‘al-yahud’ (‘the Jews’), or possibly ‘al-nas’ (‘the people’).

We’ll never know, since one cannot see what they have erased. We do know, however, that by erasing the word, the remaining text now
corresponds to the 1924 ‘Hafs’ canonized text.

Example 5: These corrections, five in total, are the same ones pictured on the cover of his book, and are found between Surah 6:91 – 6:97. They are located in the manuscript housed in the Museum of Islamic Art in Doha, Qatar (MS. 474.2003, fol. 9v).

In the first correction the word ‘alayhi’ (‘against him’) has been
written over an erasure in Q6:93, following the words ‘bima kuntum
taqulun’ (for what you (pl.) used to say’). Yet, alayhi is not in the
1924 ‘Hafs’ text.

With the second correction the words ‘ala allah’ (‘about Allah’) has
been written out in the margin, but oddly without erasing the ‘alayhi’
(‘against him’) which it is intended to supplant. Either the later
scribe was just inept, or he simply didn’t care that others saw the
correction.

In the third correction the word ‘alladhina’ (‘whom’) has been inserted where it was at first omitted.

With the fourth correction the word ‘ya’lamun’ (‘they know’) has been written over an erasure. The shadow of the original text can still be seen and appears to be ‘BHMWN’, though we will never know.

The fifth and final correction has not yet been studied by Dr Brubaker, though it is obvious that a later scribe has inserted a word which was not there originally.

In every case we find that these corrections were intentional attempts by later scribes to standardize the existing text so that they would correspond with that which we have today, proving once again that the Qur’an was maintained, corrected and standardized by human hands.

PresterrJohnn:

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Amujale:
All Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuive.

sagenaija:
The Mysterious Letters in the Quran

Apostate Prophet
Published on Jul 31, 2019

Alif Lam Meem, no one knows what these letters mean. The Quran has numerous "openers", letter combination that interpreters of the Quran argued about for over 1000 years. But why is there such an inconclusive mystery in a book for humans?

Amujale:


Jog a long you are a faker.

Amujale:
Under what circumstance is it permitable for a bunch of unethical warmongers to be claiming to know anything about virtousness.

Instead of the Arabians to concentrate on apologising to Africans for all the looting, stealing, so-called 'holy war', that are infact part of the evil Arabian crusades of their recent past; they're there peddling falsity and fakery.

Amujale:
The Arabians are no different to Romans, they are influenced by one another.

They peddle the same fake history.

PresterrJohnn:

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Amujale:


Jog along you're a faker.

Most historians agree that Abrahamic religions are number one on the list of causes of global violence.

African people have been in existence long before people starting living in Asia.

Amujale:
Under what circumstance is it permitable for a bunch of unethical warmongers to be claiming to know anything about virtousness.

Instead of the Arabians to concentrate on apologising to Africans for all the looting, stealing, so-called 'holy war', that are infact part of the evil Arabian crusades of their recent past; they're there peddling falsity and fakery.

Empiree:
You can copy and paste trash as much as you want. Truth doesn't need to make noise to convince others. Truth manifested by statistics

Only empty religion makes the loudest noise despite their propaganda. As you can see from a statistic Christianity is going down in Nigeria like nose diving aircraft.

And in Sha Allah CHRISTIANITY will continue to go down no matter what Kumuyi does. No matter what Adeboye does. No matter what Oyedepo does. No matter what TB Joshua does. No matter what all those fake miracle pastors do, CHRISTIANITY will forever go down.

A false religion is bound to evaporate.


There is no need to engage you in back to back debate. Let truth speaks for itself. Ododo ti de iro pamo. Truth has come... Falsehood vanished.

Empiree:
Òdè it means Islam would be practice in a way that resembles the time of the prophet (SAW). Ólódó ni é. It is not talking about "shrinking" because we have another Hadith which says many would be Muslims by name or practice intermittently. Prophet's companion asked is it because we (Muslim) would be minority then?. Prophet Muhammad replied "no, you will be majority".

Muslim population will be overwhelming

Empiree:
this niggah here keeps getting angry at himself at all time let me console you small...kpele

otuekong1:

Qoran keeps conflicting itself

Amujale:
All Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

true2god:
He is saying nothing but the truth. Arab-muslims, using the quran and the hadith, invaded and destroyed Africa long before the imperial europeans came to Africa.