ediko5:
My fellow Christians, the issue of repentance after great sins have been one of the major reasons Atheists mock Christianity.

ediko5:
I recently saw one Atheist say "I will kill, rob people and involve in any kind of atrocity possible to become rich and after making wealth through my crimes, i'll repent and turn born-again so i can go to heaven while".

ediko5:
There numerous cases where armed robbers, kidnappers, murderers, warlords later became strong borna-gain Christians BUT after rising to fame through their SINFUL acts.

ediko5:
What about the prostitutes, human ritualists and many more. Some of these people already grow up in a Christian background and environment. Some were even part of children Sunday school as they grew up.

I just read on nairaland how a repentant Porn-Star who's now a born-again Christian is preaching to other Porn-stars to stop acting porn, now do you think the Porn Stars will repent when she repented in her 40s after making millions of dollars from the porn industry. That's to say she became born-again after her retirement from porn.

ediko5:
Now, to my question:
Will God really forgive me if i deliberately (with the knowledge of Christ) commit sins like murder, armed robbery, kidnapper, 419 to become rich at the detriments of other people's life and i later declare that i'm born-again while enjoying the wealth i got from my sinful acts.?

CaveAdullam:
Did Christ came for the righteous or sinners? Why are pained like the Pharisees of Old?

CaveAdullam:

God will definitely forgive you. If you know the importance of spiritual growth and experiencing union with Christ, you won't have entertained this thought in your heart.

CaveAdullam:

What are the chances that he won't be caught and sentence to jail? What are the chances that He won't be hunted by those he has hurt? God definitely will forgive his sins, these are serious crimes, and in a perfect environment where things work correctly criminals will pay for their crime. Even the Bible told us to obey the rules of the land so that we won't fall into the wrath of those that has sets these laws.

ediko5:

Firstly, this response is Hippocratic. Learn to be polite when dealing with religious matter especially concerning our Christianity. This matter is a sensitive matter even though i wrote it with few lines of statement.

ediko5:
So, you are telling me to go ahead and commit all or any of the above mentioned sin while i'm young and probably in my 50s, i'll repent to enter God's kingdom meanwhile i was born into a strong Christian background. Okay nice preaching....

ediko5:
That's to say many cultists, armed robbers, kidnappers who later repented to become Pastor should be arrested by the government? For instance the Coza Pastor, Biodun Fatoyinbo once said he was the Chief priest of the blakk Axeeee confraternity in Unilorin, without doubt he has killed people before and during his position of the chief priest of B.A confra..
What should be done to such a Pastor or even our own EnthronedbyGod who denounced cultism to become a Pastor and also rose to the level of classifying some Pastors as fake and evil.

CodeTemplar:
No, I don't think God forgives such a sin. To live the bulk of your life in deliberate sin itself and not trust God is like a sin to me.
Remember the rich ruler. Jesus asked him about the commandments and he said he has done them all, then Jesus asked him to go sell his all and give to the poor if he must have eternal life. Now how can one who robbed the poor in a reversal of the above Jesus commandment now have eternal life? It doesn't add up.

Also how will he do restitution? It just doesn't add up OP.

ediko5:


Restitution if possible can be made to some of the people you robbed if they're within your reach or better still lay off to the society (poor and orphans). But can restitution be fully made? I THINK NO.

CodeTemplar:
Any willful sin must be restituted. That's what I believe.

ediko5:
My fellow Christians, the issue of repentance after great sins have been one of the major reasons Atheists mock Christianity.

I recently saw one Atheist say "I will kill, rob people and involve in any kind of atrocity possible to become rich and after making wealth through my crimes, i'll repent and turn born-again so i can go to heaven while".

There numerous cases where armed robbers, kidnappers, murderers, warlords later became strong borna-gain Christians BUT after rising to fame through their SINFUL acts.

What about the prostitutes, human ritualists and many more. Some of these people already grow up in a Christian background and environment. Some were even part of children Sunday school as they grew up.

I just read on nairaland how a repentant Porn-Star who's now a born-again Christian is preaching to other Porn-stars to stop acting porn, now do you think the Porn Stars will repent when she repented in her 40s after making millions of dollars from the porn industry. That's to say she became born-again after her retirement from porn.

Now, to my question:
Will God really forgive me if i deliberately (with the knowledge of Christ) commit sins like murder, armed robbery, kidnapper, 419 to become rich at the detriments of other people's life and i later declare that i'm born-again while enjoying the wealth i got from my sinful acts.?

servantofGod22 and jesusjnr you're invited

ediko5:


What I meant. Let's say a repented armed robber stole $100,000. The person have used part of the money to send the children to school, marry a wife and the rest. There's no way he can fully restitute.

jesusjnr:

Sorry about the delay of my response.

First I would say that it is very unwise and risky to use the mockery of Atheists - who are not only ignorant of the Truth, but usually use atheism as a cloak to disguise their rebellious tendencies against God, which is illustrated by such mockery - as a basis of argument, for such mockery was not only a function of ignorance but also rebelliousness, hence could also result in one becoming an atheist or rebelling against God as Adam and Eve did in the beginning, because the only difference between Adam and Eve and most atheists in my own opinion, is that Adam and Eve couldn't have the flimsy excuse that there was no proof of God's existence.

There is always a reason for one to doubt God's actions, judgments, or credibility etcetera as could be proven by what transpired in the beginning, because then there were no instances of such which you provided above, concerning repentant human ritualists, porn stars, armed robbers etc., as there was no sin not to talk of sinner. Yet there was that reason for man to think that God was not being fair or just and had an ulterior motive for doing what He did, which provided the loophole for Satan to exploit.

So I believe that one's faith or belief in God should be hinged on the basis that God was perfect regardless of what He does, or how He chose do whatever He did first. Then when that was established, one could proceed to get answers from God on why He did things the way He does them as Abraham had done regarding God's decision to destroy the land of Sodom and Gomorrah, for then one could get such answers from God without his faith or belief in God being threatened.

Having said that, I would like to establish the premise that after man's disobedience of God's Word in the beginning, that any human being both Adam and Eve and everyone of their descendants deserved death, so any one alive was only alive by the mercy of God.


So if God had decided to spare or take the life of any human, He had every right to do so because the only reason any one of them was alive is only because of
God's mercy not that he or she deserved to live. And this is talking of just the physical life not even the spiritual or eternal life yet.

But God whose mercy was the only reason for any man to be alive, would now make a provision for man who didn't deserve Him, to be accepted or approved of by Him which is called grace. But He would make righteousness or obedience of His word the requirement for any man to be able to access that grace.

Therefore this should explain why Abel was accepted by God, while Cain was rejected of Him despite that neither of them deserved such an approval or acceptance from God, but only that Abel had met the criteria that God who made that provision of grace had set for any man to be able to access it.


And it was the same way that Enoch and Noah, Abraham etc., were able to access God's grace, for none of them deserved it, but they had met the requirement of God to that extent.

That was before the grace of God was upgraded to the level of eternal life, after God had made that provision for man, via the death of His only begotten Son for Adam's sins.

So the same thing in the previous instances applied in this case of eternal life which God provided for man, for it all it all belonged to God, therefore God had every right to determine who would get access to it or not for man didn't deserve it.

So if God who provided such had set a requirement for men who don't deserve eternal life to meet for them to be able to gain access into it, and some meet it while others don't, what right has man to question God?

The Truth is no one deserves eternal life even those who righteous, but the only reason anyone gets it was because they had met the requirement that God who provided it, had set for any one to be able to partake of
it.

So whether they like let it be that they had killed a million in the past, as long as they truly repent of their sins, they are accepted by God!

I said true repentance because one of the key elements of that was returning things that were illicitly obtained as Zachaeus even Judas had done.

And lastly there are many true life stories of people as that atheist who had said such a thing and didn't live to see the next day, for as I said much earlier it's only by God's mercy that they are alive, so for them to do so is foolish and to their own peril, as God upon whose mercies they live a times withdraws that life from them to see how they would be able to do that without His mercies as He did in the instance of the rich fool.

God bless.

CodeTemplar:



With regards to you submission about why Abel was accepted and Cain reject, I tender Hebrews 11:4 and enjoin you to factor in this Holy Ghost inspired scripture given to Apostle Paul.
Hebrews 11:4 says

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

jesusjnr:
Well not surprised as I know how a human being is the holy spirit to the likes of you, so I have seen what your holy spirit said, but this is the Word of God direct from God's Mouth on why He accepted Abel and rejected Cain(Please pay particular attention to the bolded):

Genesis 4:6-7 (KJV)

And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

So as you can clearly see according to the opinion of God who had accepted Abel, and rejected Cain that the grace of God was available to the both of them, but Abel had met God's requirement of doing well(righteousness) while Cain had not met it. Hence Abel was accepted by God while Cain wasn't.

But you can yet stick to the opinion of your human holy spirit.

CodeTemplar:
^^^ so God wrote Genesis but Paul wrote Hebrews? You are irredeemable.

jesusjnr:
It's obvious that you can't comprehend the difference between someone's given account of something that transpired, and someone's personal opinion of a given account of something that took place.

For that was where your "holy spirit" got the story from if you don't know, and it wasn't Moses opinion of what transpired on that occasion, but Moses was repeating exactly what God told him happened.

Similar to the Gospel of Jesus, for though there were a little bit of personal opinions, they were actually accounts given of the life and teachings of Jesus by live witnesses and those who walked with Him, not opinionated.

But of course you won't be able to decipher the difference since your "holy spirit" has spoken concerning the incident, it supersedes even that which God said Himself in the given account where your "holy spirit" actually got the story from.

Maximus69:
You need to know what Christianity truly means first!

Otherwise, you'll be going about entertained/entertaining misinformed churchgoers in the name of Christ.
First of all know that the term born again applies to individuals who have NOTHING to do with whatever people are pursuing on this planet because their eternal destination is heaven.
So they don't pay attention to material things, many of them don't even have children talkless of anticipating someone to inherit what they will leave behind after their earthly course!
True Christians are those following the born again, and whoever believes in materialism amongst those following them is already aware that he has NO business with God's Kingdom{everlasting life}! 1John 2:15-17

So you need to IDENTIFY the one and only group of true Christians, then learn from them about the ruler of this world {John 14:30, 2Corinthians 4:4, 1John 5:19} who is sharing the riches and the glory in it! Luke 4:6-7

For further enlightenment, contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighbourhood!

CodeTemplar:


You are a pathetic character.

All scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Instead of accepting Paul's epistles as part of what the Holy Spirit Inspired, you switch tactics by accusing Paul of being my Holy Spirit just like you accused Oyedepo and mammon of being my God because I dare to correct you about Oyedepo.

Keep at your mudslinging tactics by attacking characters when confronted with facts. The Holy Spirit words cannot supercede the The Holy Spirit's word in another part of the scriptures.

I await the day you will graduate to correcting the creation of the universe itself. I know you are fully capable.

jesusjnr:
Paul said that concerning the scriptures, but his words wasn't even part of the scriptures when he said that, so even to that extent he wasn't even talking about his own teachings.

Something you lack knowledge of is that the Spirit of God that Jesus said would reveal all Truth was yet here on Earth, and didn't leave after the death of Paul.

But you are such a sorry case so I won't bother wasting my time anymore trying to teach you the things of the Spirit that your eyes are blind.

CodeTemplar:
Are you implying wealth is not of God or cannot be of God?

MuttleyLaff:
You this man again, you have popped up on this thread with your unhealthy obsession with wealth, erhn?.

Your obsessive interest in wealth and your feeling about wealth stems from a shallow and inadequate knowledge of the subject. Everyone worth their salt, would know, from Deuteronomy 8:18, that, it is God who gives one the power to produce and create wealth. It is the same God, who makes some poor and others rich, He humbles some, by bringing some down and lifts others up by making others great.

Wealth is of God, but whether you have wealth or not, finding contentment in what you have is the key, as a self contented person is one who is happy with what he/she has, whether wealthy or not. Being wealthy afterall, is an opportunity to use it as a vehicle for service, not for just exclusive self-gratification, not for living showy or ostentatious lifestyles

Do you at all know that, wealth can be treachrous?. Look at how in Luke 16:25, wealth betrayed a rich man, hmm? There is something called the deceitfulness of wealth, unless one is well grounded and firmly standing on the word, wealth can be more of a danger than blessing. The rich man with his wealth, apparently was not rich in good works, was not generous with his wealth and was not ready to share his wealth, at least not with Lazarus, for example, and so we get to learn that, the rich man with his wealth, actually was not storing up treasure for himself as a good foundation for the future, for him to lay hold of the Life which is life indeed

Maximus69:
You need to know what Christianity truly means first!

Otherwise, you'll be going about entertained/entertaining misinformed churchgoers in the name of Christ.
First of all know that the term born again applies to individuals who have NOTHING to do with whatever people are pursuing on this planet because their eternal destination is heaven.
So they don't pay attention to material things, many of them don't even have children talkless of anticipating someone to inherit what they will leave behind after their earthly course!

CodeTemplar:
You are now getting bolder by switching to this account to engage me on mammon related debate. .I am not obsessive about wealth in any way by seeking for clarification of what that poster I quoted meant.

If you want to talk wealth by force go open a thread Instead of giving false interpretation of my words then replying to it.

By the way I can see you are having it very hot on the other account have decided to change identity.
Lol....seeing i have thoroughly caged your evil doctrines on another account, You went through my posts and extracted key scriptures I used in handling you, changed account and started attacking me with it. It explained s why you were able to read such wide meaning into a simple question about the position of maximus69 on wealth. Ride on . . . I will handle you again.

budâatum:
I am not coming at you! The two you think are one person are two separate people.

ediko5:


Dear are you implying that practising God's words fervently to a point not procreating as God commanded man to procreate and multiplied on earth is Godly.

I thought there's a curse for a man who doesn't multiply? ( I stand to be corrected).

Benbethy:
God will surely forgive you but your conscience will not give you peace. Your conscience is the voice of God in you, so if you deliberately sin and ask for forgiveness, he will forgive but I doubt it if you will forgive yourself. Since its an intentional act, you won't forgive yourself. Pls don't even think it. You might not even have the opportunity to ask for forgiveness because it is either you die before asking for forgiveness or you will HATE yourself.