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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 5:18pm On Aug 03, 2019
Penuelseun:
it is not a gel battery, it is a sla battery, I set the bulk voltage to 14.7v and float voltage to 13.8v but I have never seen it enter float, the cc just cuts off the voltage when it stays for a while on 14.7v, it still reads 12.4v after a full charge

My old battery I bought new behaved in similar fashion. No matter how it's charged once charging source is removed, it race down to 12.4V (24.8V for series). Apparently, it was old battery rebranded and sold as new. At C20, I get only 120AH from a 200AH battery before inverter shutdown at 21V cutoff.

Two fairly used ones I got from kiekie1 is far better. It charges and maintains 13.2V (26.4V) when full and charging source is removed.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BetaTechnicians: 5:25pm On Aug 03, 2019
mctfopt:



MakeSkyBlue, then it used to sell for $180 grin

Na una contribute to their company cheesy

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BetaTechnicians: 5:29pm On Aug 03, 2019
olaolu11:




Could you also go through my setup, pls.

4*150watts stand alone 12v panels in parallel; 60a pwm cc from aliexpress; distance of panel to cc(lateral+horizontal)78 ft; battery to cc(less than 3ft). Wires used are join-join ac pumping wire scrimped from somewhere. Inverter is luminuos 900vac ecovolt 12v inverter. Battery was 100ah luminous i've used for almost 4 years with public grid/gen b4 switching to solar/public grid/gen. Used it for few weeks until recently when it will work until sundown and battery then lasts 1.5hrs after sundown. I've been too wire is culprit and wire was changed today. So by tomorrow I will update. I changed wires to 10awg dual core wire. And cc to battery wire now 6awg (lenght,6+ft). Need I say that everything is DIY from info gathered from quora, nairaland, researches and YouTube videos.


I gather I need fuse/dc breaker between panel and cc, and bewween cc and battery. Will standard 240v 5a ac fuse suffice? And what parameters am I to set on the cc?. I read there are monitors selling to check battery discharge level etc. What name and brand as well as seller and if possible idea of price. And money is an issue o. My salary is less than 100k/month, so don't give me the one wey I go first join cooperative collect loan b4 I go buy o(lol). Thanks.



This your outline na wa, you really need to clean up your connection, I don't even know where to start.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by durumibaka(m): 5:53pm On Aug 03, 2019
ojeysky:


With that setup, you can only connect in parallel (since a typical 300v panel is 24v) and at least east panel should give 8A or more, this means you can only do max 300x2 with that controller configuration.


Thanks bros for that answer, but am corrently using 300w/24v×3 solar panel, what will be the effect since am using 20a 12v/24v solar charge controller. Thanks.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by harizonal123(m): 6:13pm On Aug 03, 2019
Trippledots:


iv always thought about getting a mini dsp projector. some are the form factor and almost same size as a phablet....they charge and run off a regular usb plug. but i dnt have the time nor reources for now for that adventure. that said, this ur dc tv. where did u get it from pls? name too.
Alaba international tokunbo things. Bought mine 13k

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by harizonal123(m): 6:20pm On Aug 03, 2019
lexi28:
guys, I have 2pcs of 12v/200ah Top light
batteries neatly used for sale. price is 30k.
reason: recent upgrade.
thanks.
How many months old?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by harizonal123(m): 6:24pm On Aug 03, 2019
Penuelseun:
it is not a gel battery, it is a sla battery, I set the bulk voltage to 14.7v and float voltage to 13.8v but I have never seen it enter float, the cc just cuts off the voltage when it stays for a while on 14.7v, it still reads 12.4v after a full charge
Seems you got yourself a bad battery. Battery almost gone
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 6:39pm On Aug 03, 2019
durumibaka:


Thanks bros for that answer, but am corrently using 300w/24v×3 solar panel, what will be the effect since am using 20a 12v/24v solar charge controller. Thanks.


From my little DIY experience, It depends on the max VOC of your CC if it's up to 100v or more then I guess you will have your panels in series so amps is maintained but voltage will increase
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mctfopt: 6:51pm On Aug 03, 2019
BetaTechnicians:

Na una contribute to their company cheesy

Lol
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojtech8291: 8:25pm On Aug 03, 2019
ojeysky:



From my little DIY experience, It depends on the max VOC of your CC if it's up to 100v or more then I guess you will have your panels in series so amps is maintained but voltage will increase

I have faced this kind thing before. Assuming he combines them in series and VOC of the cc is 100v but the inverter input voltage is 24v. Is it not going to affect the inverter? I will expect he goes for higher cc of 40A or 50A. Thank you.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Namzy(m): 10:31pm On Aug 03, 2019
ojtech8291:
I have faced this kind thing before. Assuming he combines them in series and VOC of the cc is 100v but the inverter input voltage is 24v. Is it not going to affect the inverter? I will expect he goes for higher cc of 40A or 50A. Thank you.
I don't understand. But wait why do people keep using the old format of 'this is a 12v or 24v solar panel?' I think 300w x 3 connected in series will definitely be more than 100 voc, I might be wrong though. My 340w from jinko and Era solar has a voc of about 47v @stc. Meanwhile I think the problem with the 20a charge controller is the max watts power allowed on said controller. I'm sure it'll be less than 900w

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 11:49pm On Aug 03, 2019
Namzy:

I don't understand. But wait why do people keep using the old format of 'this is a 12v or 24v solar panel?' I think 300w x 3 connected in series will definitely be more than 100 voc , I might be wrong though. My 340w from jinko and Era solar has a voc of about 47v @stc. Meanwhile I think the problem with the 20a charge controller is the max watts power allowed on said controller. I'm sure it'll be less than 900w

Not necessarily. The wattage of a panel is dependent on current and voltage which jn turn depends on arrangement of the cells (number of cells in parallel and series) and cell characteristics.

So for same 340W, you may get btw 30 to 50VoC or even more depending on the manufacturer.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 6:17am On Aug 04, 2019
ojtech8291:
I have faced this kind thing before. Assuming he combines them in series and VOC of the cc is 100v but the inverter input voltage is 24v. Is it not going to affect the inverter? I will expect he goes for higher cc of 40A or 50A. Thank you.

Am not sure I get that part, how is the input 24v, maybe you meant the battery input? If yes then that's fine, an intelligent CC/inverter will handle that easily. My GK series hybrid inverter has a voc of 120-450v and it only accepts 24v battery set-up. At the moment I have 6 panels in series (above 200v) and all is good. However ofcourse if he has funds he can go for higher amps CC I actually think by the time you get a above100voc CC it will already be a higher amps CC.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 6:26am On Aug 04, 2019
Bros so I have done the setup; could not get a bus bar for now so I used the DC breaker as the common connection point for both the SPD and PV. However I have noticed that it seem the battery consumption has increased, does the SPD and DC breakers consume power on their own?

Update nevermind the source of drain identified - it's self inflicted. grin

Secondly, I have moved my stuff to standalone, I was happy to see over 1kw yday at relatively high sunlight. However when it rained and after sunlight came back I lost generation, noting was coming in, I noticed water was still on the panels could that be the reason why I was not generating anything?


NiyiOmoIyunade:
Imagine that there are two loooong wires going from PV array to CC - one is the positive PV cable and the other is the negative PV cable.

You want your SPD to sit 'in line' with these two PV cables that go to the CC - you want your SPD to 'plug into' the circuit made between PV and CC *without breaking the connection* and monitor it for voltage surges - if SPD senses an incoming voltage above its set threshold on either positive or negative PV to CC cable, it immediately shorts that terminal that has higher than desired voltage to its (SPD's) ground terminal so that the surge voltage is primarily diverted to ground and does not make it to the CC. This is roughly the operating principle.

See very rough diagram below - bus bars are the best method to bring mulltiple cables together but you can use whatever technique makes for a solid mechanical and electrical connection




Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by lexi28(m): 8:21am On Aug 04, 2019
ojeysky:
Bros so I have done the setup; could not get a bus bar for now so I used the DC breaker as the common connection point for both the SPD and PV. However I have noticed that it seem the battery consumption has increased, does the SPD and DC breakers consume power on their own?

Update nevermind the source of drain identified - it's self inflicted. grin

Secondly, I have moved my stuff to standalone, I was happy to see over 1kw yday at relatively high sunlight. However when it rained and after sunlight came back I lost generation, noting was coming in, I noticed water was still on the panels could that be the reason why I was not generating anything?


hmm, the PV rack you have there looks curved and water seems to gather at the low point there. your controller, is it a pwm? or MPPT?

I would advise remodelling of your PV rack to allow runoff of rain water rather than have it gather on your panels. that looks like a probable cause of no production.

cheers
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mctfopt: 8:30am On Aug 04, 2019
ojeysky:
Bros so I have done the setup; could not get a bus bar for now so I used the DC breaker as the common connection point for both the SPD and PV. However I have noticed that it seem the battery consumption has increased, does the SPD and DC breakers consume power on their own?

Update nevermind the source of drain identified - it's self inflicted. grin

Secondly, I have moved my stuff to standalone, I was happy to see over 1kw yday at relatively high sunlight. However when it rained and after sunlight came back I lost generation, noting was coming in, I noticed water was still on the panels could that be the reason why I was not generating anything?



Water on the panel can not totally stop generation of power. I'm afraid the standalone system being that close to the building may experience some shadows from it. Check if your connection is ok. I'd suggest you give the solar panels some slight tilt, so that water can run off the panels when it rains. Even if it's 5 degree tilt from the horizontal.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Penuelseun(m): 11:25am On Aug 04, 2019
Oshomo12:


I wonder how u can get 12a from that panel on a pwm CC for a 12v system, using that 260 w panel @ ~31v?

Can I see d pic of d Cc? Get mppt CC, u re using a wrong CC for ur system. Or get two 12v panels of 150/160 w each and connect them in parallel.

Mod.,
U need around 500 w solar panel for a 200ah 12v battery. Or else, ur battery may have issue (s) around this period (july~mid September).

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 11:30am On Aug 04, 2019
Hello Guys,
Anyone sell these stuffs locally? I need 4 pieces of each, thanks.

4 pole 63A changeover switch with center off

2 pole 63A RCCB
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by nonso1992: 11:40am On Aug 04, 2019
Hello house , please who has the growatt 5kw inveter
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by olaolu11(m): 1:28pm On Aug 04, 2019
BetaTechnicians:


This your outline na wa, you really need to clean up your connection, I don't even know where to start.
start from somewhere
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 1:29pm On Aug 04, 2019
mank1234:


Not necessarily. The wattage of a panel is dependent on current and voltage which jn turn depends on arrangement of the cells (number of cells in parallel and series) and cell characteristics.

So for same 340W, you may get btw 30 to 50VoC or even more depending on the manufacturer.

hmmmm, bros are you sure about this., hope you have an idea, how panel Voc, wattage and current is calcuated by the manufacturer power - watts - volt x current, the max current i have seen from a panel is less than 10amps, cos of this constraint, based on current laws of physics, there is no way a 340w, heck even a 300w panel will have a Voc of 30v, minimum should be as from 38v or so

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by olaolu11(m): 1:43pm On Aug 04, 2019
3 panels of 150watts each connected in parallel with 10awg dualcore cable to 60a pwm cc and 200ah battery. Distance from panel to battery is 25m. Juicecoming as measured on cc is 6.5. How come?

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 2:27pm On Aug 04, 2019
earthrealm:


hmmmm, bros are you sure about this., hope you have an idea, how panel Voc, wattage and current is calcuated by the manufacturer power - watts - volt x current, the max current i have seen from a panel is less than 10amps, cos of this constraint, based on current laws of physics, there is no way a 340w, heck even a 300w panel will have a Voc of 30v, minimum should be as from 38v or so

You're right. My error. The upper limit too shouldn't be 50V.

The point though I was trying to make is that 1) give an upper limit of Voc for a cc, it's not panel wattage that should determine how many should be in series but the panel's Voc. 2) that it's not wise to mix panel for a single cc cos of the differing specification even for same wattage panel.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 2:37pm On Aug 04, 2019
ojeysky:
Bros so I have done the setup; could not get a bus bar for now so I used the DC breaker as the common connection point for both the SPD and PV. However I have noticed that it seem the battery consumption has increased, does the SPD and DC breakers consume power on their own?

Update nevermind the source of drain identified - it's self inflicted. grin

Secondly, I have moved my stuff to standalone, I was happy to see over 1kw yday at relatively high sunlight. However when it rained and after sunlight came back I lost generation, noting was coming in, I noticed water was still on the panels could that be the reason why I was not generating anything?


Nothing to fear. It's GK and MK (axpert) bug. Some people have complained of loosing generation just after cloud shading. Probably, a future firmware upgrade may solve it.

If you put OFF inverter and ON it again it will start working normally. Or after a little while it will pick up on its own. Otherwise by next morning it will work normally.

Follow this topic and other ones on this forum:
https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=5955

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 4:57pm On Aug 04, 2019
olaolu11:
3 panels of 150watts each connected in parallel with 10awg dualcore cable to 60a pwm cc and 200ah battery. Distance from panel to battery is 25m. Juicecoming as measured on cc is 6.5. How come?

are you sure your battery isnt fully charged?.
to rule this out, put on a load of uver 150w, then observe if harvest will increase, if it doesnt increase, then you may have a defective panel in the mix, use a multimeter and put it on dc current setting, measure each panel directly with the meter, and confirm all are ok

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 5:07pm On Aug 04, 2019
Thanks for the information and for the reference, it came back alive in the morning. Just got home and I am generating up to 400w at the moment. At least it's an improvement compared to when I had it on the roof where I would not have seen anything by this time of the day.

@lexi28 it's only one of the panels that store some water after rain, the rest just have sprinkle of water on them. Unfortunately we missed the panel measurement by a few mm so panel could not sit/fit well on the rack, I will try to re-tilt to avoid storage of water.

mank1234:

Nothing to fear. It's GK and MK (axpert) bug. Some people have complained of loosing generation just after cloud shading. Probably, a future firmware upgrade may solve it.

If you put OFF inverter and ON it again it will start working normally. Or after a little while it will pick up on its own. Otherwise by next morning it will work normally.

Follow this topic and other ones on this forum:
https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=5955
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 5:09pm On Aug 04, 2019
mctfopt:


Water on the panel can not totally stop generation of power. I'm afraid the standalone system being that close to the building may experience some shadows from it. Check if your connection is ok. I'd suggest you give the solar panels some slight tilt, so that water can run off the panels when it rains. Even if it's 5 degree tilt from the horizontal.

I made sure to avoid shadows, I will try to tilt to the extent feasible. Thanks
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mctfopt: 6:30pm On Aug 04, 2019
ojeysky:


I made sure to avoid shadows, I will try to tilt to the extent feasible. Thanks

All good then
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by durumibaka(m): 7:03pm On Aug 04, 2019
ojtech8291:
I have faced this kind thing before. Assuming he combines them in series and VOC of the cc is 100v but the inverter input voltage is 24v. Is it not going to affect the inverter? I will expect he goes for higher cc of 40A or 50A. Thank you.

Thanks bros, but i need clarification on this please, am currently using bluegate 1.5kva/24v ups and planning to buy an inverter soon, but from ur experience inverter and ups which one is more preferable?.Thanks.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by olopan(m): 11:14pm On Aug 04, 2019
good evening everyone and @Olaolu11,

I believe and suggest that your multiple panels could be an issue here, they are all not in sync i.e. from a single manufacturer ..... meaning they will work at the power and current of the least in the parallel connection and also note name plate dont mean it say what is written, shady business of wrongfully stating a panel to be higher than what its suppose to be could have happen. but the weather might have also caused the drop in amps.

and even if the above was to be overlooked, the 10AWG - ~6mm2 cable that you have would make your voltage and usable amps to go to waste, so i'd suggest that you if you want to keep the panels and enjoy better amperage input, then wiring those panels in series would do you solid big time, a 30A Epever MPPT would be great .... but maybe after you might have settled down from the cable commitment you recently did.

school go soon resume, eh! grin grin

and lastly you need some serious cable management skills, check "cable porn" on Reddit .... sure you gonna be inspired.

check the chart i made a while back for the AWG-metric conversion
NB: with MPPT you'd get to keep your 6mm cables.

Kr
Olopan

olaolu11:
3 panels of 150watts each connected in parallel with 10awg dualcore cable to 60a pwm cc and 200ah battery. Distance from panel to battery is 25m. Juicecoming as measured on cc is 6.5. How come?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 2:08am On Aug 05, 2019
Namzy:

Hisense fc260sh about 200l power consumption 67-70watts price about 75k give or take thank me later

This is impressive if it is really the fact. I can even sell the 6 months old Haier Thermocool for cheap and add some money to get this.

But are you sure your 70 watts is not the recorded consumption on a 24 volt power inverter system in which case the wattage consumption recorded is always half of the actual AC rating of the appliance.

Please the name plate on the appliance will be more persuasive. I am itching to dump what I have for this power saving feat of a deep freezer.

By the way, below is the name plate of the Haier thermocool. Start up power draw is usually 167watt to 170watts. It then starts dropping and in less than 4 minutes, it drops to around 110 watts in most cases.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ceaser: 2:14am On Aug 05, 2019
mctfopt:



I don't think Powr is original neither is it fake. These guys just APPROACH manufacturers who makes controllers to them. They just slap their name on it. So it's just some little difference between the two. So buy whichever one you fancy, probably, the cheaper of the two.

I own a MakeSkyBlue product already. Just wanna make hands on comparison between the two to know who's lying. That's all.

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