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Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 11:49am On Aug 09, 2019 |
pinkPUSSY:It is the SE that they issue ultimatums every now and then that they love, smh. You want a breakup of the country but you don't know how to go about it but always demonizing the Yorubas for your failure to achieve it. Slave to the northern Muslims 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by BOAR: 11:49am On Aug 09, 2019 |
highcollide: Are you ok? ![]() Even unknown parties PCP and ADC scored more votes than your local party ![]() 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by helinues: 11:50am On Aug 09, 2019 |
gidgiddy: So 2023 what do igbos want? Biafra, Igbo president or northern president? |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 11:54am On Aug 09, 2019 |
Yyeske: Chaiii can't hide again. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 11:55am On Aug 09, 2019 |
mrvitalis:I get am before no be property, all you want is for the north to relegate the Yorubas and realign with the Igbos, it can't work that way. You must do the fence mending after the insults on the Yorubas and the north, they both control everything for now and unfortunately a larger proportion of their peoples do not trust the Igbos so stop deceiving yourself 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 11:56am On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: Vincent Ogbulafor was once pdp chairman. Propaganda won't release Sowore, grandson from prison. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 11:57am On Aug 09, 2019 |
Ziggylady:Your votes couldn't determine the winners in both the 2015 and 2019 elections so what are you talking about again 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 11:57am On Aug 09, 2019 |
BOAR:Don't be an idiot. Go back as far as 1999. Apga has had senators reps and governors. Infact you win.... I don't have time for this. 5 Likes |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 11:58am On Aug 09, 2019 |
Yyeske: Yyeske no want to hide again under Igbo umbrella. He can't control it again lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz I done laugh tire. 6 Likes |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by mrvitalis(m): 11:58am On Aug 09, 2019 |
Yyeske:So says a yoruba man 6 Likes |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by helinues: 11:59am On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: I get am before no be something to do yanga about.. Which year was Vincent Pdp chairman? And who cares about those two clones? They have always been fighting for their own pockets not for the interest of SW 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 12:04pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: How many Yorubas have been pdp or APC chairman if I may ask? Last pdp convention Wike dealt una blow Adeniran and the rest begin cry foul foul... Name one Yoruba man that has once been pdp or APC chairman (Substantive) All these caliphate followers doesn't realise Lagos Ibadan express news is dead. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 12:06pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
mrvitalis:Lol and you are not doing anything in that direction aside being a slave to a northern Muslim and trying to block the Yorubas from getting it which of course you don't have the number. 1 Like |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by helinues: 12:07pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: You don't carry an elephant and still be blocking an ants hole.. What are we going to do with just a party chairman.. Within the space of 20 years, SW have produced 8 years presidency,5 years as Vp.. Which of this 2 positions have your region smell in the last decade? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 12:08pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
gidgiddy:Then try telling the Igbos too boycott the next election and no Igbo person should be elected into any office |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 12:12pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: Ooh, you don't need any such position again...lolzzz propaganda no go kill una... maybe the vice president if burial ceremony and custodian of trade moni.....lolzzzz Seriously Lagos Ibadan express news is dead and buried in the dustbin of propaganda. lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz, HAAAAAAAAAAAAA...THESE PEOPLE SEF..... 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 12:12pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98:Cry me a river, after warnings and them no hear, when the consequences start rolling in, what do I do? Console them or what? NTOOR That's all I give back 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 12:13pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
mrvitalis:Indonesian Buddhist like you |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by helinues: 12:13pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: Read your response to mine as a neutral person and be the judge.. My friend, you are not communicating 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 12:14pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Yyeske: Chaiii, you really flared today, I can't control it again seen as Yorubas are been pinched. No, I thought u will continue under igbo umbrella.. I done laugh tire today......and still laughing. When you done we know were to meet here Lolzzzzz 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by BOAR: 12:16pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: The whole mighty Ibo tribe been dragged like this 4 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Yyeske(m): 12:16pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98:Are you voting an Igbo as president in the next election, no time for nairaland pettiness, just a yes or no or are you one of those slaves to the northern Muslims |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by starstaz(m): 12:18pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: on the contrary: Nwodo |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 12:18pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: How can I communicate to failed propaganda ? Have seat, this one won't sell. Read and have wisdom given to u by your fellow brother. There are two moments in history when, as a Yoruba, I was embarrassed. The first was in 1966 when Yoruba leaders and traditional rulers went to the north after the massacar of 100,000 Igbo civilians to "thank" northern leaders for not allowing the mob to kill Yorubas as well. The second was in 2019 when, two weeks after the daughter of the leader of Afenifere was murdered on the steets of the South West by Fulani herdsmen, Yoruba traditional rulers went to the north to pledge their loyalty and support to Buhari and thank him for "a job well done". These two events were moments of shame. You do not pay homage to and thank tigers for eating your neighbor and not eating you for breakfast: you oppose and resist them! Again you do not thank tyrants for not doing their duty and protecting the lives and property of your people: you call them to account, you hold them responsible and you keep them on their toes! These two moments were not good examples of the courage, decency, fairness and good judgement that the Yoruba are known for. They represent a dark and inexplicable chapter in our history which most of us conveniently overlook and refuse to talk about. I feel a deep sense of shame and guilt whenever I consider them. In 1966, before the outbreak of the civil war, 100,000 Igbo civilians were massacared in three months in the north and we the Yoruba did nothing to help them. Instead we crawled to the north to thank those that slaughtered them after it was all over. 43 years later in 2019, Baba Reuben Fasoranti's daughter was murdered in cold blood (together with thousands of other Yoruba sons and daughters over the last few months), by Fulani terrorists in the streets of the South West and we have done absolutely NOTHING about it or made ANY concrete plans or efforts to defend our people. Instead of doing so we crawled to the north to "thank" a President who is meant to protect us from the Fulani terrorists and guarantee our safety but who has refused and failed to do so. What makes it even worse is that that same President has put every single military, security and intelligence agency, except for the Navy, in the hands of northern Muslims and he has pointedly refused to declare the Fulani herdsmen as terrorists simply because he has a soft spot for them and they come from the same place. It is time for the Yoruba nation to wake up, smell the coffee and take a new approach to these matters. The crawling has to stop! We are not cowards, beggars and crawlers: we are bigger and better than that. We are a nation within a nation. We are 60 million strong and we are spread throughout the world. We are a strong, proud, rich, honorable, humble, wise and noble people who are excellent in all our ways, who hate injustice and who have a kind, loving, accomodating, forgiving and liberal disposition. Humility, charity, long-suffering and the ability to stomach all manner of insults, provocation and impudence from those far below us for long periods of time comes naturally to us but cowardice, stupidity, weakness and capitulation before those that physically attack our people is alien to us and is not in our genes. We NEVER and we have never bowed to our invaders. We have always resisted them and we have always done so ruthlessly and successfully. Once we decide to rise and stand firm, we are unbeatable. History proves that. We are slow to anger but irresistable in battle. It is because of this that I daresay that we deserve a far better quality of leadership than what we are presently witnessing. It is time for us to get real and accept the fact that the threat we are facing is existential. History and posterity will not be kind to those of us that betray our people or that align with the aliens and unbelievers that desire to wipe us out and turn us into slaves. ( Femi Fani-Kayode 8th August, 2019) Another of una own SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO THE YORUBAS by Moses Oludele Idowu Something has happened to the Yoruba's. I don't know precisely what it is. However, it is not a good thing. Of this I am sure. Now a brief voyage into history. In 1967 Nigeria was in a dire situation similar to what she is in now. Many have written about the similarities and seen the parallels between the two periods. But even in the midst of that chaos in 1967 the collective voice of the Yoruba's rang out. As a matter of fact the Yoruba voice was the soundest, boldest and clearest in the midst of that cacophony of confusion, when even the government at the centre was in turmoil. "If by any act of omission or commission the East is forced or allowed to secede from Nigeria, the West will also secede." That was Obafemi Awolowo, rising from the meeting of the Yoruba Delegates and reading the position paper collectively agreed by all the leaders of Yoruba. It was a clear statement, it was coherent and unambiguous. The whole speech itself is very short. Because it is when you don't know what you are doing or saying that you ramble and perambulate. That clarion voice from the Yoruba in unison roused the Military government and Gowon out of their slumber. In 1967 when Yoruba's spoke Nigeria listens and came at attention. Africa listened and even the world took notice. It was not an idle boast or an empty threat. They had the means to end Nigeria if they so desired. And the Yoruba's warned Gowon that if they ever frustrated IBO's out of Nigeria then they should not count on it that Yoruba's would remain. If Nigeria was lopsided even with the East in Nigeria, then it would be more lopsided with only two regions left and Yoruba's too would have to leave. That was 1967. The statement was made loud and clear when a military government was in place, without any fear. As a matter of fact only among the Yoruba's was there a clarion voice of definite statement and demand. Which the military had to meet immediately. That was 1967. Fifty two years after, you know something terrible has happened to this once- marvellous race. How do I know that? It can be seen in the discordant voices, staccato tunes and contradictory speeches emanating from kings, leaders and elites of Yoruba's. You know there is trouble when you cannot decipher what is being said. You know there is a problem when leaders speak in parables at a time when plain language is required. In 1967 the leaders of the Yoruba's spoke in clear, concise and coherent language, Awo was only reading what they agreed on. In 2019 i have not heard any such clear and unambiguous statement. First it was the Ooni of Ife, with his statement which is so notable not so much for what it said as much as what it left unsaid. That statement is notable for its self- contradiction. First it says Yorubas would defend themselves. Then again, in another breadth, it was asking Buhari to help Yorubas to defend themselves. How will Buhari help you to defend yourself? Either he defends you or you defend yourself. That statement will remain a model of linguistic obscurity so common in Yoruba religion and metaphysics. Then the Alaafin released his own Open Letter to Buhari and immediately reading that speech you could see the disagreement between his own position and that of the Ooni. Infact, the crux of the age- long feud was thinly veiled in that letter for those who can discern. Then Obasanjo's letter, which is more as a statesman rather than as a Yoruba man. Within days of meeting Buhari, the Ooni was in Aso Rock again to meet Osinbajo, the Vice President. Then all the notable Obas in Yoruba land went to Aso Rock to meet Buhari. And days after their meetings the Fulani herdsmen continued with their killings and kidnapping, without let and hindrance. Even two Wednesdays ago they still attacked motorists at Ogere, on the Expressway and last week the whole world heard the kidnapping of 5 RCCG pastors. So nothing has changed and nothing is likely to change. It is time our traditional rulers give themselves the honour and respect deserving of their offices. They are talking too much for their own good. Yoruba leaders are talking too much and it is not helping them. Perhaps they have not realized it. Noise is a sign of weakness, not strength. It is a proof of how weak and weakened Yorubas now are. If Yorubas have not seen this, their antagonists can see it and they take notice. When last did you see the Sultan in Aso Rock, or talking to the press? When was the last time you saw the Oba of Benin talking to the press? In 1967 the Obas did not speak, they left that to their illustrious sons to do that. And that is how it should be. In 1967 when Yorubas spoke a military government trembled and began to woo the Yoruba's. In 2019 Yoruba leaders and kings have spoken and a civilian government does not even bat an eyelid. That is the proof that Yoruba have lost power, they have ceded ground to the enemy by a series of actions that are beyond the scope of my present investigation. That is why I warn the Yoruba to be extra careful at this time and quickly do the right thing to regain what they have lost. " Remember where thou has fallen and repent and do the first works...", Jesus sent to a church in Ephesus but I think it is the best message to Yorubas at this time. Today times have changed. 1967 is similar to 2019 but the dramatis personae are different. Will Yorubas incur defeat without war? In 1967 Yoruba's were the strongest and most united of all the regions, in 2019 it is the weakest and most disunited of all the regions. The Southeast governors forum have spoken in unison and with one voice that they would have nothing to do with RUGA - so the Rugayats and the Rugacats can take notice. The Middle belt have spoken against great odds. Likewise the Nigerdelta have spoken. What of the Yoruba? Where is the Southwest? They are meeting, summit upon summit with no head or tail, with no communiqué nor verdict. David Thoreau was indeed right: "O consistency, thou art a virtue". Is it any wonder that Miyetti Allah is threatening all the governors in Yoruba land that they would be held responsible if anything happen to the Fulani's in their midst. How about that? Did you see what I am saying? What power do they have to hold elected governor responsible in a civilian dispensation? But they can see the weakness and the disunity. That is the state we are now in. I want to now move to the second part of this article: why Yorubas are divided at this time and why they are the weakest and most endangered. There are now 3 divisions among the Yorubas. Yorubas can now be grouped into three separate and diametrically opposed groups. Let us look at each: 1. BOURDILLON TRAIN OR 2023 PROJECT The first division among Yorubas now is what I call the Bourdillon Train or the 2023 project. These are the politicians, leaders, elites and officials who are angling for the return of power to Yoruba in 2023 and want to use the Southwest as a launching pad for that ambition. And their followers, hangers on, ruffians, coat hangers, touts etc. They have many government officials, legislators, ministers etc in this group and they control the Press, the Lagos- Ibadan axial press, the traditional power of the Yorubas. Because of their ambition nothing the Buhari administration does is wrong and Yoruba welfare and collective destiny are subordinated to the whims and the fulfilment of the ambition of one man. The good and welfare of future generations are sacrificed on the altar of one man's ambition. This group is further divided into three: 1. The 2023 proper whose ambition is rooted in the ambition of their leader and what they stand to benefit from it. 2. The Islamists Make no mistake there are islamists among the Yorubas. They are not interested in democracy as in Sharia. It is real. Remember that a former governor of Lagos state once confessed that some people have been putting pressure on him to go for Sharia? It was Bola Ahmed Tinubu who said it when Samson Ayorinde visited him. Was it not an Alhaji, a Yoruba man who insisted a church must not stay around him during Raji Rasaq era for which cause Christ Chapel was demolished and uprooted? Was it not a Yoruba man who declared the birthday of Mohammed as public holiday, which is not even a public holiday in Saudi Arabia? Need I go on? So make no mistake there are islamists among Yorubas and they would support anything Buhari government does whether good or bad. 3. The Religionists. These are not islamists but they are committed Muslims. They know that Christianity is so entrenched in Yoruba land and will never be displaced by evangelism or whatever. So if RUGA will bring the Fulani's and other people of their faiths that may graphically alter the religious demographic of Yoruba land then it is okay with them. Say what you like, this group will never move against Buhari nor protest his actions even if it is against the strategic interests of Yoruba land. This is why Yoruba is divided today and cannot speak with one voice. These would subvert anything that appears to be mildly critical of Buhari, who they see as champion of Islam at this hour. 2. The OPPOSITION The second group consists of those who are opposed to any move that may endanger the Yoruba and their interests. They are ready for anything to redeem the honour of the Yorubas come what may. 3. THE USEFUL IDIOTS The third group among the Yoruba at this time is what I call, borrowing Marx's expression, the "useful idiots." They are divided into two: 1. The Hallelujah chorus of Buhari and APC. As far as these are concerned Buhari is the best thing to happen to Nigeria. Mr. Integrity can do no wrong or see no wrong. Everything is okay. And woe betides you if you criticize Buhari. Among these are educated and educated illiterates or certificated illiterates, who have gone through schools without learning anything. They are incapable of coherent, logical and independent thinking. They include the army of paid media men and women who recycle the lies and worn out rhetorics of nonsense of this ghastly government. They include the army of yes men, sycophants and jobbers eating from this government and thus cannot see anything wrong with its policies. At the same time when the Nigerian Christian Elders Forum was writing the British Parliament about the dire situations going on in Nigeria, a Yoruba man was there countering them with lies and half truths. At the same time when kidnapping and killings were still going on in Yoruba land it was another Yoruba man leading Buhari Campaign Organization in a solidarity visit to Buhari; and another Yoruba, the Vice President was busy telling those in the Diaspora that the kidnapping and terrorism issue are exaggerated beyond proportion. Yoruba's used to be known for plain speaking. Now they have become the masters of double speak. That is why you know that something has happened to this once- noble, regal race. Then there is the army of know- nothings who due to no fault of theirs do not know the issues on ground. And do not understand them. With all these divisions how will Yoruba ever speak with one voice? What then is to be done? The military is now to implement RUGA and 2019 budget has already provided for it according to what newspaper reports say. It is coming "by fire and by force." At my lecture on The New World Order on Friday I mentioned the larger political and religious backgrounds driving this and as an angle of international manipulation. So what then is yo be done? Hear this from me: the Fulani herdsmen are already in the forests surrounding Yotubaland and they will not leave. Also Buhari is not going to do anything against them. Take it or leave it. Kidnapping will continue and terrorism from herdsmen will not abate. The experience of the 5 RCCG pastors is fresh. Even two Wednesdays ago they still killed people at Ogere, based on what I heard. So what is to be done? Let every town and village in Yoruba land raise its own militia yo defend its territory and police as ts forests. It is allowed under the law. It is logical. The law allowed citizens to apprehend anyone breaking the law. It is not only police that can arrest under the law. Any citizen can arrest a law breaker and kidnapping is law- breaking. They should be trained by ex- servicemen in their midst and armed with every weapon they can lay their hands on. After all the herdsmen carry weapons and it is illegal and no one is disarming them. If a group can carry weapons to do evil another group too can carry them to do good, to enforce the law and assert the Constitution. " The law is not made for the righteous man but for the lawless "- St. Paul. " In a state if lawlessness it is criminal yo be law abiding ".- Fidel Castro. Many will condemn me for saying this. Yoruba do- gooders, lizards, trying to play safe and engage in double speak... Yoruba vacillation. But this is time for truth- speaking. Something is not right. You can fight now or fight later with a diminished strength. This is the last time I will write or say this. But remember time is running out. Soon we shall know who is right. The most dangerous place for a nation or tribe to be is not to be defeated in war or lose in battle. The worst humiliation is to procure a "defeat without war." Something is telling me that Yoruba's especially by their vacillation and disunity are about to make this gamble. A word for the wise is enough. Copyright©️ Moses Oludele Idowu ( August 6, 2019) Oya make una watch how they will shift goal post now lolzz 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by helinues: 12:21pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: Why copy pasting? Cant you summarized the epistles? Btw, if not for senseless arguments, how can one brag about just a party chairmanship compared to President of a country or Vp? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
As they are shifting the goal post am off. This thread is full of pettiness. 3 Likes |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by Nobody: 12:25pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
helinues: lolzzzz..I talk am Goal post finally shifted.. Next.......Olaniyi 4 Likes |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by helinues: 12:28pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: I thought when you went on ban or possibly sabbatical leave, you go don upgrade but it seems like your conditions never changed.. Remember the Anambra communities thread.. Your own people disowned you .. The question is for how long? Seriously! |
Re: 2023: Can't SE Demands Presidency From Pdp? by YorubaHero12: 12:29pm On Aug 09, 2019 |
Why are the Yorubas on here even disturbing themselves with the Ijaw slaves. The Igbos are a conquered tribe in Nigeria, they are the useful slaves to the north and they dare not contest for the presidency position! Even for the 16years of PDP, the party knows they are unsellable which made OBJ gave Jonathan the Vice President instead of an Igbo man. They will go for the north as usual and they will be thrashed through the ballot. The north are not that tribalistic as they made us believe coz Jonathan won some states in the north even in 2011. The Igbos are bereft of insight, coz if they can think well they will know that both PDP and APC will field a northern candidate in 2023. The north knows the country is already polarized and they won’t want to alter the balance of the union. Even if they present Kwakwanso, his invisibility is a myth even in Kano, we have Ganduje and Shekarau to deal with him while El Rufai man Kaduna. Buhari will be the voice in Katsina provided everything is alright by then. Infact, if I were APC, I will field in Fashola and El-Rufai, the SE and SS will not vote any Yoruba man even if he’s a Christian, so we should stop trying to even be politically correct. The North knows Fashola ain’t Tinubu stooge, coupled with the fact that he’s already made and also a Muslim. In the SW, religion is not much of a factor, APC needs to sweep all the SW vote first before even gunning for the north. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
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