okoroemeka:
let us not be false alarmists and understand properly the mode of bacteria/fungal movement , assuming you apply fresh manure that still have pathogens in it,like E Colin and salmonella,etc,there are bacterias attached to plant roots and also bacteria and fungis in the soil that feed on the pathogens in the manure,E coli ,etc cannot translocated systemically through plant roots, through the xylem /pholem and infect fruits,what infects fruits is splashs of water on manure and it will touch fruits that are close to the ground and if you don't wash it properly it may be a problem,that's why it's very advisable to wash fruits properly before consumption,so my brother don't run away because you don't know the one you are running to how it was produced,I have personally seen a system that farmers in nsukka are using the raw sewage from UNN nsukka sewers to plant their famous nsukka yellow pepper,wash your veggies throughly before use especially if it's to be consumed raw,it's not just pathogens but agrochemicals residues.

I understand ur side of the argument quite well, at least coming from a fruit veges perspective, but wht happens if ds same processes r applied 2 root and leafy vegetables like cabbage, beetroot, onion, cauliflower nd d rest ? are there no substantial risks involved in the above mentioned practices? can u get sell any of these fruit, leafy and root veges to standard shops, 5*hotels, nd export partners when they discover dt u r using dz soil enrichment methods?

chigomiced:




Protecting ur interest Abi

It's all good

u wonder why d white develop at an impressive rate? they learn, they argue, they learn, then they improve! good luck 2 name calling nd abusing

ideepaul:

u wonder why d white develop at an impressive rate? they learn, they argue, they learn, then they improve! good luck 2 name calling nd abusing

What have you learned from excanny so far

ideepaul:

I understand ur side of the argument quite well, at least coming from a fruit veges perspective, but wht happens if ds same processes r applied 2 root and leafy vegetables like cabbage, beetroot, onion, cauliflower nd d rest ? are there no substantial risks involved in the above mentioned practices? can u get sell any of these fruit, leafy and root veges to standard shops, 5*hotels, nd export partners when they discover dt u r using dz soil enrichment methods?

what you will realize is that veggies grown strictly organic fetches premium prices and are desirable by oyibo people,that crop grown with manure is what they want.and also realize that this said pathogens in UM do not live inside the plant tissue,they stay on the outside and a good wash will take it off.

okoroemeka:
what you will realize is that veggies grown strictly organic fetches premium prices and are desirable by oyibo people,that crop grown with manure is what they want.and also realize that this said pathogens in UM do not live inside the plant tissue,they stay on the outside and a good wash will take it off.

In others words

excanny should wash his vegetables instead of faulting our choice of manure and it's methods of application

excanny:


Get a large bin with tight cover. After pouring manure into it, put a carbon source(smooth sawdust, dry grasses, shredded papers, etc) on top. You turn the mixture together once in a week. And cover up. Like that for 6 months.

By then, the pathogens would have died off and it will be odourless. You can then mix with soil for your nurseries or as side-dressing on your farm.

For the guy who asked how he can compost his manure, I omitted adding some water into the mix. Please do.

okoroemeka:
what you will realize is that veggies grown strictly organic fetches premium prices and are desirable by oyibo people,that crop grown with manure is what they want.and also realize that this said pathogens in UM do not live inside the plant tissue,they stay on the outside and a good wash will take it off.

there are research papers that debunk this claim! they can be found in plant tissues as shown by research
https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2011/110815DeeringPathogens.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC126537/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110416
pls note that those buyers I mentioned earlier will insist on composted manure or u can't have a deal!

chigomiced:


What have you learned from excanny so far

chigomiced:


In others words

excanny should wash his vegetables instead of faulting our choice of manure and it's methods of application

chigomiced:


What have you learned from excanny so far

REALLY? someone just made me remember I am a Nigerian

ideepaul:

REALLY? someone just made me remember I am a Nigerian

Pleasure all mine

4words:


Thank you boss, I will do just that, I will patiently wait and I will equally update this space as I proceed on my journey into the agric world.

I am waiting for @Wizs2019 response on farm visitation. I pray he grants me this request.

Once again Thank you

Hey Bro, No problem with a farm visit. Just send me an email so we can organise something.

Wizs2019:


Hey Bro, No problem with a farm visit. Just send me an email so we can organise something.

Oh my, I have been looking forward to this response. I will do just that. Truly grateful . Regards

okoroemeka:
if you are doing 1 acre and needs like 10 tons of manure,what type of bin do you think can contain 10 tons or how do you turn such quantities around,pls let's be practical and face realistic ideas that are feasible,how manure is composted on a large scale is by pouring it outside for the weather and time to complete the process,the system we use of soaking manure in water for some days before using is our own niche idea that works for us and speeds up the composting process,it's is only meant to be used by experienced farmers ,use it at your own risk.

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For me, I just bury the manure in a furrow I make on the ridge. Then i plant after 2 weeks.

okoroemeka:
not that cabbage likes rain like rice,but it loves the cool weather that comes with the rainy season,the major issue I see in cabbage farming is bolting,if the temperature steps into the 30c range is a problem,but now we are having average mean temperature in the 20c and issa goal.

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Ok thanks.

ideepaul:

there are research papers that debunk this claim! they can be found in plant tissues as shown by research
https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2011/110815DeeringPathogens.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC126537/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110416
pls note that those buyers I mentioned earlier will insist on composted manure or u can't have a deal!

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If the price is gud, then no problem. U dont pass thru a lot of pain for customers that want it cheap.

FarmTech:

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If the price is gud, then no problem. U dont pass thru a lot of pain for customers that want it cheap.

their prices are far better than wht u can get in the open market!

ideepaul:
their prices are far better than wht u can get in the open market!

Fine. It is worth it.

Wow, please let's not destroy ourselves with our own hands. If using manure the right way is difficult, I would advise we don't use it
We cant twist things to suit our narrative when extensive research has been done to show us the implications of using fresh manure. In fact it can be done in days if a particular temp can be maintained(cant remember) if not leave it for a long time to compost.
It's easier for me because of the poultry farmer I buy from. I buy a bag for 400 excluding transportation.
The cucumbers have produced on my farm, I don't eat cos am not too fond of it, but every other member of my family does. It's one of the reason I stick to PHI of each product. There are times the fruits are big and am told to harvest, I say no especially when the PHI is not complete
The country might not be encouraging, but we can't complain about our leaders and then we also are culprits.
My oga@okoroemeka you will be surprised that if you are committed to it you can compost successfully most especially because of human resources you have at hand. I would encourage you sir to reconsider and give it a try

Pls, who have knowledge on pepper bacteria leaf soot disease? It is affecting many of my pepper seedlings. I am spraying saaf and mancozeb plus hexaconazole in rotation.

FarmTech:
Pls, who have knowledge on pepper bacteria leaf soot disease? It is affecting many of my pepper seedlings. I am spraying saaf and mancozeb plus hexaconazole in rotation.

you need a original copper fungicide to control that,that's also rainy season problems

I think we have had enough healthy debate about this manure topic and it's time to move on,,this manure issue has generated so much hatred and curses from armchair farmers and I believe that's enough.we planted two okra varieties 2 days ago ,I will very much like to get futher insights and tips from Farmers that has done okra before on what to expect, management,yield,etc,pls any information is appreciated even from E-farmers, goggle farmers, armchair or keyboard farmers,all is needed this time.

funsoul:
Wow, please let's not destroy ourselves with our own hands. If using manure the right way is difficult, I would advise we don't use it
We cant twist things to suit our narrative when extensive research has been done to show us the implications of using fresh manure. In fact it can be done in days if a particular temp can be maintained(cant remember) if not leave it for a long time to compost.
It's easier for me because of the poultry farmer I buy from. I buy a bag for 400 excluding transportation.
The cucumbers have produced on my farm, I don't eat cos am not too fond of it, but every other member of my family does. It's one of the reason I stick to PHI of each product. There are times the fruits are big and am told to harvest, I say no especially when the PHI is not complete
The country might not be encouraging, but we can't complain about our leaders and then we also are culprits.
My oga@okoroemeka you will be surprised that if you are committed to it you can compost successfully most especially because of human resources you have at hand. I would encourage you sir to reconsider and give it a try

I don't know why you guys are complicating a very simple issue. I can't remember anyone saying fresh manure is ideal. Pls let's move on peacefully abeg

What is PHI?

funsoul:
Wow, please let's not destroy ourselves with our own hands. If using manure the right way is difficult, I would advise we don't use it
We cant twist things to suit our narrative when extensive research has been done to show us the implications of using fresh manure. In fact it can be done in days if a particular temp can be maintained(cant remember) if not leave it for a long time to compost.
It's easier for me because of the poultry farmer I buy from. I buy a bag for 400 excluding transportation.
The cucumbers have produced on my farm, I don't eat cos am not too fond of it, but every other member of my family does. It's one of the reason I stick to PHI of each product. There are times the fruits are big and am told to harvest, I say no especially when the PHI is not complete
The country might not be encouraging, but we can't complain about our leaders and then we also are culprits.
My oga@okoroemeka you will be surprised that if you are committed to it you can compost successfully most especially because of human resources you have at hand. I would encourage you sir to reconsider and give it a try

numen:
What is PHI?

Per harvest Interval
In simple terms, it is the waiting period you have to observe after which a pesticides or chemicals are used on crops. Usually written on the container or pack of the chemicals to be used.

Here's a photo of our first attempt at composting. Completed about 2hrs ago.

The pile contains:

Intermetent layers of brown plant materials (brown grass, small sticks etc all broken into small pieces; green plant materials (chopped elephant grass & some small grasses). We also threw in left-over cucumber fruits, & some remnant tomatoes. We brought & added some of the best soil we could find on the farm. Then we wetted with water, then covered it with the black plastic.

We plan to turn it in 10 days time and every week thereafter.

I hope it works though I expect the composting to be slow as we have been contending with unusually cool weather for several weeks now, and I don't expect better until late September.

Picture loaded.

FarmTech:

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Pls, does cabbage like rain? How easy is it to grow?

Cabbage does well in the rain, but like everything else, it needs attention.

As someone mentioned, successful transplanting is the holy grail of cabbage farming in the South.

Our latest transplant was more than 90% successful. Sometimes, our success rate is less than 50%. Painful

This picture was taken this afternoon.

Cabbage seedlings in the net house before transplanting. There's about 6000 seedlings in that photograph.

One of our cabbage croppings. Picture below.

When we first harvested and started selling in our city, the market people couldn't believe the cabbage was grown locally.

We would harvest in the morning & by 11am, it was already in the market. The ones from the north simply couldn't compete on freshness & taste. We were selling N1000 per bag more than the ones from the North, yet we always sold out.

A lot of things we think cant grow in the South actually do, and if you chose your time cleverly, you'll do very well.

That said, the people in Jo's can probably plant cabbage all year round, whereas, in the south, it is challenging to grow cabbage successfully outside the rainy season.

DeLaRue:
Cabbage seedlings in the net house before transplanting. There's about 6000 seedlings in that photograph.

Please where in ogun state are you located?

DeLaRue:
One of our cabbage croppings. Picture below.

When we first harvested and started selling in our city, the market people couldn't believe the cabbage was grown locally.

We would harvest in the morning & by 11am, it was already in the market. The ones from the north simply couldn't compete on freshness & taste. We were selling N1000 per bag more than the ones from the North, yet we always sold out.

A lot of things we think cant grow in the South actually do, and if you chose your time cleverly, you'll do very well.

That said, the people in Jo's can probably plant cabbage all year round, whereas, in the south, it is challenging to grow cabbage successfully outside the rainy season.

How much did you sell per bag? And how many cabbage heads inside sir??

DeLaRue:
Cabbage seedlings in the net house before transplanting. There's about 6000 seedlings in that photograph.

This nursery net house looks Kenyan. Is this available in Nigeria?

DeLaRue:
Cabbage seedlings in the net house before transplanting. There's about 6000 seedlings in that photograph.

this is very interesting we did nursery of Gloria variety by technisem and they wilted immediately the nursery cover is removed for hardening,but a friend did the same Gloria variety but from a Danish seed co,and it worked like magic,I guess a successful cabbage farm starts from the seed.