Evo11:
Hi

Informer155:
Jesus is one of the must popular name on earth. Who is he?.

INTRODUCTION:
Maryam 19:12

"[Allah] said, O John, take the Scripture with determination. And We gave him judgement [while yet] a boy"
John here is "John" the son of Zacharias husband of Elizabeth the barren. who's birth was announced by angels both in the QUR'AN an BIBLE.

Luke 3:2-3

"...the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;"

So both religion agreed that God gave John word/scripture to preach to people.

Informer155:
EXPLANATION;
These are the words of John the Baptist.

John 1:1-15

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. [8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Informer155:
*I don't have to go through the QUR'AN to proof what "The word of God is" but I will explain Jesus here

* If you read the Book of John1:1-15 above carefully,everything is CLEAR AND SELF EXPLAINABLE ABOUT WHO JESUS IS.....He is God.but let me shed more light..


"....the word is/was God,the word is creation and also creator.the word is LIFE.the word is the true light which lighteth EVERYMAN that commeth into the world.the word now(God) became flesh and dwell among men...to make them sons of God.

Informer155:
So;
1- Beginning=God+His word+his spirit=one God
2-his word is him,his spirit is him=one God
3-its the word(Jesus) that became flesh and entered the earth. living the spirit&God above(for where ever God,Word,spirit is! Its the same thing
4-when Jesus(the word and also God) died and resurrected HE SENT DOWN THE SPIRIT hallelujah!!
5-and Jesus went back to met his partner God while the SPIRIT IS HERE WITH US ON EARTH......they are all one! One God with different dimensions of manifestation. just to SAVE YOU AND ME...praise the Lord!


QUESTIONS
1-when Jesus is on earth, who was in heaven?check 3 above. And also the fact that God's part (Jesus) died doesn't mean the whole him sized to exist(remember he is the word,and also the spirit)

Example

I can send a message to empiree and butaadum, if they DELETE. I CAN STILL HAVE THE original message in my phone.

You can be doing anything on nairaland(delete,copy,paste etc) its stil ONE NAIRALAND.divided into sections. but if se.un shut it down now you can't do anything....the facts you leave nairaland doesn't affect se.un......... So God is still God even when he was on earth!

2-how can God be a man? Check 1&2 above.....


Holy spirit help me more........I know more questions are coming from empiree,Rashduct4luv,butaadum, AbuUbayy1 Akinsmail51,Abdulgaffar22,mojolagbe ,lukgaf etc

Rashduct4luv:


Both religion did not agree on John being given a scripture! John was not given a new scripture. It was the Tawrah he preached. He was to learn the Tawrah with determination

Informer155:
That is wonderful! OK John preached Tawrah(while Jesus preached injeel) and there were all given by Allah right? So that's what I mean.......John the Baptist was asked to preach in Islam so also in The Bible. I now showed you what he came for in the book of John(..to bear witness of the light).
So now which John is Qur'an referring to? I guess its John the son of Zacharias who cane to bear witness.or is it John the son of zebeedee the displcle of Jesus(who recorded some injeel teachings of Jesus)?
So John preached Tawrah(as you said,I even wonder where he get the Tawrah when his Daddy is a Muslim doing Sallah/praying before angel appeared) was Zacharias using the Tawrah before John came? ....just thinking though....
,John(son of zebeedee) was a disciple you remember?. So I shared the testimony of zebeedee's son and Zacharia's son in John 1:1-15 TO

Informer155:
*MY ANSWER*

lol...when the Bible say "sons of God" in Genesis 6, it means Gods creation (men&women). Let's read it "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." Gen6:1-3
So its obvious God is talking to humans(men and daughters)

Informer155:
And for Jesus the only begotten son of God; he was in flesh perfect and complete with all sexual organs active(as those guys in Gen6)YET HE NEVER LIVED IN THE FLESH(desires) FOR ONCE. He is a word that becometh flesh.the word of God who is also God.

God=3=1( he operated/operates/operating in 3 dimension) that's why Jesus can give life to a mud-bird.

In those days he operated in two dimensions, waiting for the right time for him(God) to manifest in 3 dimensions (Father,son and holy spirit)which John talked about.and am glad he came in my time.

Informer155:
Allah gave John Tawrah to preach..... See Johns preaching(Tawrah) in the Bible...

"In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" math3:1-2


"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" math 3:11



The mighier one is Jesus Christ(who Allah gave him scriptures/injeel to preach to mankind bt which is now lost)lol


This Jesus is the one from the beginning with God. that's why Allah sent him to save us through the virgin birth of maryam.to take away our sins,and give us a new heart. baptized us with holy ghost (to perform great things which people that DONT HAVE JESUS CANT DO,like healing, miracles,discernment, seeing future, casting out JINNS,praying for divine protection,salvation, peace,Joy etc)



So Jesus = God=word=Holy spirit.

Rashduct4luv:


Wait, do you now agree that the original teachings of Jesus is lost since John recorded some injeel teachings of Jesus. And we say all Prophets are Muslim. It is not the Scriptures that made them Muslim but their total submission to the will of God the Almighty. In Islam, Messengers are different from Prophet. A Messenger is also a Prophet but superior because he has a new scripture. Jesus was a Messenger as well as Moses, Noah,...., Abraham and Muhammad. Zakkariya and John were Prophets and Prophets use earlier scriptures.



Subhanallah! When the Bible calls Jesus son of God, he was truly the son of God but the son of God in Gen. 6 was referring to humans right?
Anyways! So the sons of God that were humans mate with women and gave birth to giants. Why? Because they were men right?

You still haven't answered this question.





A. Here Jesus the son of God is not Human entirely but just human in flesh? But you claim up there that sons of God were humans entirely.

B. If Jesus was truly the same as God and did miracles then why couldn't he answer this questions in a direct way:

1. But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

2. “What do you want?” He inquired. She answered, “Declare that in Your kingdom one of these two sons of mine may sit at Your right hand, and the other at Your left.” 22“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Are you able to drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We are able,” the brothers answered. 23“Jesus said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father. Matthew 20:21-23

God is not a man (Num. 23:19).

Informer155:


Hmmm how I go do.I agreed that Jesus preached when he was on earth(my Bible told me so).while your Qur'an said(his teachings are lost ONLY SOME FEW were recorded by his disciples.who are the diciples of Jesus then?where are the few recorded words?) .....Rythorically


And if you said all prophets were Muslims because they worship God.good! But I want to tell you that JESUS came after all the prophets and GAVE NEW WAY OF WORSHIP sir...that is why no prophets in this world now that is perfect if he doesn't worship God in spirit and truth through Jesus Christ who made the way by his dead and resurrection on the cross.....you got it? So if all prophets were Muslims he CAME TO RESCUE THEM from they self righteousness and obtain the glorious righteousness of THE BLOOD.


And concerning Gen 6...(I don't know maybe you can't read well......sons of God=(humans,men and women)not Jesus(the son of God).I am a son of God through Jesus sir.) We read in context sir not rondomly.When Allah said this: in Maryam 19

يٰيَحْيٰى خُذِ الْكِتٰبَ بِقُوَّةٍ  ۖ وَءَاتَيْنٰهُ الْحُكْمَ صَبِيًّا
"[Allah] said, O John, take the Scripture with determination. And We gave him judgement [while yet] a boy"


قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ءَاتٰىنِىَ الْكِتٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّا
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."

(Can u see what am seeing? Jesus and john were given scriptures right?) Now tell me which one is injeel or Tawrah? Check the wording.... So we read books in context not picking and analysing sir

Rashduct4luv:


I think you are mixing things up here. See the Qur'an verses you brought. Jesus was given a scripture but John was not. Take the Scripture means the available scripture of Tawrah. This is the context.

I dont think there is a new way of worship. Even when Jesus was about to be taken by the soldiers and he was afraid. He prayed by putting his head on the ground. Who was he worshiping? Himself right?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

1. Jesus: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed (Matthew 26:39)

2. Abram: "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying...," - Old Testament (Genesis 17:3)

3. Abraham:"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Genesis 17:17)

4. Moses: "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament (Exodus 34:cool

5. Moses & Aaron:“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Numbers 20:6)

6. Moses & Aaron:"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Numbers 16:20-22)

7. Ezra and his People: And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Nehemiah 8:6)

8. Joshua: "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)

9. A Prophet: "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 9:cool

10 Jehoshaphat: "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (2 Chronicles 20:18)

11. A Prophet:"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 11:13)

Informer155:
hmmmm, you said am mixing up abi? that's what I wanted you to see sir.that the facts you see two SAME words in scriptures doesn't mean the same thing.according to Islam scripture means various things right?injeel,Tawrah.....but why using one word? so these SONS OF GOD in Gen 6 is NOT JESUS CHRIST (son of God) but men and daughters can't you read in context like the way you read in context(in maryam 19)....hmm






(And about worship)lols...In Christianity if you want BOW,LIE DOWN,STAND,BOW DOWN TO GROUND 5 times a day,DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.....but do it in the name of Jesus who can ONLY SAVE!!!!





So you see the clear difference between Islam&Christianity sir? we are not after how you worship God(in the body)by bowing head on ground,washing body,ass,legs,private part etc..that's ridiculous. but who do you worship in your position!,is our concern!(to tel you the hardest truth,sometimes I pray facedown on my bed and its perfect and acceptable)

Rashduct4luv:


I know you won't be able to answer the questions but to dodge it. How many people prayed in Jesus name in the so called Gospel? When Jesus was being asked how to pray and he gave the Lord's prayer did he pray in Jesus name? Anyways i do not believe in the Bible just as you do not believe in our Qur'an.

Anyways, I stick with my believe forever till i die as no Prophet Preached Christianity as a religion in the Bible. Jesus never told anyone to accept him as Lord and saviour.

And it is hypocrisy when sons of God in Gen 6 were humans but the son of God is not human but God. It is either both are humans or both are God.

Informer155:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI5C9v_LJ1s

Informer155:

Omokri revealed that his journey into the study of pre-European Christianity has made him realised that the belief that “Jesus is God” is a European concept.



He said that there is a huge difference between the Bible and Scriptures, noting that Scriptures are the original scripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek while the Bible is a European version of the Scriptures which had been modified to suit their purposes.

He also said that the real name of the son of God is not Jesus but Yeshu’a.



Omokri’s exact words: “Some of the names/doctrines you read in The Bible have been changed. In fact, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between The Bible and The Scriptures. The Bible is a SANITISED (for their purposes) European version of The Scriptures.

“The Scriptures are the original scripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. I wish Christians can be like Muslims in that we read The Scriptures in the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.

“I went to Israel, Ethiopia, Rome, Turkey and Greece to study pre-European Christianity. If I say what I discovered, I will be labelled an anti Christ. But let me just say that the Son of God who lived on Earth 2000 years ago is Yeshu’a, not Jesus and He never claimed to be God.

“As a matter of fact, He came to show us the Way to God because He Yeshua, is the only Way to God. He is the everlasting Melchizedek High Priest. The Mediator between God and man. But He is NOT God. That is a European concept.

He continued: “Let me shock you. Yeshua came to show us the Way to God because He, Yeshua, is the ONLY Way to God. He is the everlasting Melchizedek High Priest. The ONLY Mediator between God and man. But He is NOT the Almighty God. That is a European concept.

“Yeshua never claimed to be God. Many Christians read John 1:1 in The Bible (not the Scriptures) and use that to claim that Yeshua is God.

“I will urge you to get the original Greek Scriptures (see the attached picture) and even if you can’t read Greek, just study that verse.

“This is the verse in pure Greek (Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος). Here is the verse in Latin, which may be easier for laymen (In principio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum).

“Notice the words DEUM and DEUS are used to describe the first and second mention of God. Although you may not be able to read Greek, what John 1:1 says when translated without changing the words used for God is this “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Theon and the Word was Theos”.

“The original Scriptures did not use the same word for the first mention of God and the second mention. The word used in the first mention is THEON (which refers to the Almighty. The word in the second mention is THEOS which is what is used to refer to Yeshua.

“This is why Scripture says “my people perish for lack of knowledge”-Hosea 4:6.

“The name of the Son of God is Yeshua. Jesus is not a TRANSLATION of Yeshua. It is a VERSION.

“I do not know what will happen to those who use the name Jesus. Even me, I use Jesus publicly to teach, although privately and in the church I Pastor, I use Yeshua. I do so because I am a coward. I was afraid of being called an anti-Christ.”

Empiree:
So you are still in this Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?. Read what your fellow CHRISTIAN had to say




Jesus is not God, Bible is different from Scriptures – Reno Omokri
nigerianeye.com Aug 13, 2019 7:25 PM


Former presidential aide and pastor at the Mind of Christ Christian Center, Remo Omokri on Tuesday said Jesus is not God.





https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/08/13/jesus-is-not-god-bible-is-different-from-scriptures-reno-omokri/

Rashduct4luv:


Muslims don't rely on miracles for salvation. Even the devil can perform miracles.

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matt 24:24

Even Babalawo sabi signs and wonders!

Defend the verses i sent to you or stop mentioning me.

Informer155:
lols....does that changed the presence of HOLY SPIRIT who Jesus have sent to guide us to all truths no matter how the world/men changed it? the spirit of God is here to show us all things....weither the changed Bible/scripture words are correct or not.if the spirit agrees then its correct inrespective of who said or against it. its not like Islam that reads words of does and dont sir empiree,we have the spirit that explained,interpret, analyzed, correct, show, reveal,heal,mend,change,touch,etc.....we are not alone........let there be no Bible today,christainty will still continue as far as Jesus Christ is concern.What many dont know is that "ITS ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT(INVISIBLE) of God".Jesus died and resurrected for you and me.that's the gospel.

Empiree:
Catholics have 74 Books. Protestants 66 Books. Whichever one does "holy spirit" support?. Is it Catholics that added 7 more books or Protestants removed 7 Books?. Holy spirit can't be on both sides. So which side is if the holy spirit?

Informer155:
can't believed you said that....that means you believed Jesus is Lord God our healer.though we can have fake ones!BUT JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE ONE RIGHT? that's superp......Muslims rashduct4luv said don't rely on miracles for salvation but on Jesus the only begotten son of the father. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

Rashduct4luv:


Do you know the meaning of delusion? Maybe you slept and dreamt of fishing fishes not men! Do you have a verse where Jesus said I am the Lord your God, worship me! Na! Just conjectures! Keep dodging all the verses.

Informer155:
Here is your answer.......
to bring an end to your ISLAMIC questions of where Jesus said worship me.thank God you guys can read.let me show you and empiree.thank God you'll know the commandments .......


*HEAR WHAT JESUS SAID"
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." Mark 12:29-30
What's is the first comandement? The Lord our God is one Lord and love him with all. right?....now check below
Mark 12:35
"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Have you read it well...exactly the questions you guys always ask Christian. "How can Jesus be son of David and also Lord God"....the Lord said to my Lord (capital leter L) what's does that mean?it means....Our Lord God is one Lord and Jesus is Lord! (Do you now agree that Jesus is God,the Lord God,one God of Israel?)

Informer155:
2 more proof:

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Jihn17:21.......as thou father in me and I in thee.....are they not one then?
See this also:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.In him was life; and the life was the light of men....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." .....haba do you see what am seeing here:

1.1st command..."the Lord our God is one,love him with all your heart,soul, mind and strength " who is God? Father of Jesus,Lord,and the word. right?
2-God is one=our Lord=Father=word=one God right?
3-who is Jesus? He is Lord also our God,word of God,and son of the Father (who is also one with him) right?
So Jesus said worship Lord your God(command that Islam claimed),AND JESUS IS LORD GOD so we should worship and love him.are you satisfied that Jesus said we should worship him he is Lord God our Lord?.... ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

malvisguy212:
even the Quran commended the Bible, the Quran advice the Muslims to confirmed the truth from the scripture, but Muslims today disobey the Quran advice , will Allah ask you to confirm from a corrupted book ? or from a book that is in non existence ? In addition, the Qur’an says that God’s Word cannot be changed (Surah 6:34; 10:34, 64), and it makes no distinction between the various revelations of God.

“We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to
Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them” (Surah 2:136).

when and were was this books corrupted ? Torah, Gospel and the psalm ? this books are froms Allah as claim by the Quran , and Allah had promised to guide them, saying this books are corrupted, don't you think you Muslims are saying Allah fails to guide his revelations ?

Rashduct4luv:


Logic 1. So because David called an unnamed person Lord does that mean he is refering to Jesus? I can say he is referring to Muhammad too.

Logic 2. Even if David was referring to Jesus as Lord, does that mean He is God?

Logic 3. Who amalgamated Nigeria in 1914? Lord Lugard. Is it small "l" or big "L"? Big L. Is Lugard God too because people call him Lord?

Question to take home: Was their a special difference in words translated as God, god, angel, lord in the Bible?

In Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek from which the Bible was translated was there anything like capital and small letters? how come you are saying capital L or small L now.



Who's word was John 1 vs 1? It was John's not Jesus's. John said in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Purposely misinterpreted the verse you quoted above by saying Jesus called himself one with God. All na lie. I will give the full text here.

John 17:20-26

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

The words in bold is what you rely on but on reading it to the words in red, we now understand that what Jesus meant was entirely different from what you said.

How can Jesus be one with God and be one with his followers? It was a Proverb/Parable. Oneness of purpose! Not Godhead! Not trinity!

O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
— Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171

malvisguy212:
the tri-unity of God is not for canal minded man. Even using lord luggard as example ? lol

Rashduct4luv:


Carnal or canal minded? It is Lord Lugard and so Jesus too can be Lord. I know you will never be able to answer the questions only to dodge it.

I will ask again How is Jesus Lord or God? A holistic approach please.

Was their a special difference in words translated as God, god, angel, lord/Lord in the Bible?

In Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek from which the Bible was translated was there anything like capital and small letters? how come you are saying capital L or small L now.

malvisguy212:
Rashduct4luv you have said nothing, which book did Allah ask Muhammad to make confirmation from if it not the Bible? will Allah ask Muhammad to make confirmation from a non existing book ? were is the scripture ?


"The word of thy Lord doth find its
fulfillment in truth and in justice: NONE
CAN CHANGE HIS WORD: for He is the
one who heareth and knoweth
all," (6:115).

isn't the scripture word of Allah ? who change it ? did Muhammad receive revelation that the scripture is corrupted ?

Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN
ordinances. And We revealed to you the message
that you may make clear to the people what was
sent down to them and that they might give
thought.

this Quranic verse is talking about the scripture because the Quran wasn't revealed in WRITTEN ordinance. This means there were copies in circulation. How possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere?

Reno said that or not, I don't care, there are hundred of Muslims who have said this same thing about the Qur'an