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Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 10:30am On Aug 15, 2019 |
tintingz:I don't deny that it doesn't occur in nature. However, do you think it cannot be about possessiveness. What happens when the lion becomes hungry? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRUXU172vGg You can also check out this incredible leopard compassion of a baby impala. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJpT-72gveA Draw your conclusion after this |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 10:33am On Aug 15, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord:I laughed in Iguana language. Saving face in a faceless forum like Nairaland!? Admit that you were preemptive in your conclusion and let's move on. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 10:50am On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:There are different classes and categories of slaves. Some slaves could buy their freedom, some freeborn bond themselves to servitude to pay off debt, some slaves are rich and some become governors(after training) etc. So, stop being myopic. BTW Are prisoners of war slaves or servants? And is this immoral in the 21st century? |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by tintingz(m): 11:34am On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: A lion will always kill it prey, they are wild animals, my own case is of two same specie showing compassion. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 12:04pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
tintingz:Could it be bonding rather than compassion? A dog cannot be said to Love it's pups even though it will defend her pups to a great extent. This just a fraternal bond easily confused with love. Some animals like hyenas, wolves and lions hunt together and they take care of their weak because they have social order. Only primates have shown characters close to that of humans: have you considered that only humans have tears from their eyes!? |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 12:19pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: All the categories are supported by the bible. POWs are POWs and are protected under the Geneva convention which prohibits them from becoming slaves. Now which class of humans do you inherit from your father like property? |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by tintingz(m): 12:47pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Whether it's bond or not, compassion still exist among animals. Humans also create bond in the society, we have some humans who don't care about his fellow human, in the case of humans there is concept of right and wrong, in animals I don't think there is. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by budaatum: 2:02pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
tintingz:Animals show compassion because it is beneficial for them to do so. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by budaatum: 2:07pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Anyone remember butterflyl1on and his Little Tyke? budaatum: |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by tintingz(m): 3:00pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
budaatum:I agree with this. I think some part of it also apply to humans too. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 3:53pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
budaatum:Very nice read about the vegetarian lion. Although, this is a kind of sickness in the lion just like humans who have allergies to milk, wheat, pepper or honey. Could it be said that the Little Tyke's "choice" was as a basis of its logical reasoning? That is the point. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 4:21pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:If you know a little history, you will not say that: After World War II, German prisoners were taken back to Europe as part of a reparations agreement. They were forced into harsh labor camps. Many prisoners did make it home in 18 to 24 months, Lazarus said. But Russian camps were among the most brutal, and some of their German POWs didn't return home until 1953 https://www.mcall.com/news/local/bethlehem/mc-veterans-day-joseph-christ-german-pow-camp-20161110-story.html The Geneva convention says Prisoners of war should be repatriated immediately after a peace treaty was signed but was that what happened? Check out what these people were used for: https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/what-happened-to-german-prisoners-of-war-in-britain-after-hitlers-defeat-74859 The worst treatment of prisoners of war were by your fellow ATHEISTs in the Soviet Union. More that 70% of them DIED from starvation and Hard Labour. Approximately three million German prisoners of war were captured by the Soviet Union during World War II, most of them during the great advances of the Red Army in the last year of the war. The POWs were employed as forced labor in the Soviet wartime economy and post-war reconstruction. By 1950 almost all surviving POWs had been released, with the last prisoner returning from the USSR in 1956[1]. According to Soviet records 381,067 German Wehrmacht POWs died in NKVD camps (356,700 German nationals and 24,367 from other nations).[2][3] German historian Rüdiger Overmans maintains that it seems entirely plausible, while not provable, that one million died in Soviet custody. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union And you have the guts to speak against the bible while the Geneva convention could not even solve this human problem. Slavery is WORSE under Atheism: prove me wrong. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 5:12pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: LMFAO! How does this change the FACT that the BIBLE SUPPORTS SLAVERY? The book you claim is from Yahweh is not better than the efforts of men? A clear indication that your book is not anymore divinely than the Geneva Convention is. Edited |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 5:19pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:And Atheists are the worst human slave drivers. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 5:23pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Even if that was true, it still does nothing to help the fact that the Bible supports slavery. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 5:37pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:I think you should define what slavery is for we aren't on the same page. You seem to define slavery as stealing/kidnapping of a human being for use as one's servants and labourers or for resale to others for the same purpose. Is this correct or it needs a modification? |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 5:45pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Add to that the owning of a person and consideration as property, the abridging of their rights based on their status as property and their ability to unilaterally pull away from the arrangement being effectively non-existent. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by johnydon22(m): 6:15pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
tintingz: What he is trying to say is, animal bond, social order and behaviors in this regard are inherent in their nature, they are genetic, passed from parents to offspring. A swallow wasn't taught how to make a nest, these traits are intuitive in them. An ants may have a society of several hundreds of thousands but each individual's behavior aren't contemplated, they are innate, genetically coded. Human social bonds are abbarational because humans have no such biological trait triggered towards social bonds more than a handful of people. But somehow, we created a social bond of millions, somehow created a relationship that unites the whole planet - that is not normal. This is because we are thinking beings who know it is thinking. Other animal's actions are impulsive, intuitive and inherent. Human actions are contemplative. There is a difference between an animal that does something because it is wired genetically to do it (An ant helping an injured ant) it is not out of pity, compassion or some grasp of the concept of morality, it does it because it is made exactly like that. Humans on the other hand do things they really do not have to do because they contemplate. That's why you can't ascribe similar behaviors in humans and animals to similar causality. I believe that's what he is trying to say |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 6:31pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
You seem to define slavery as stealing/kidnapping of a human being for use as one's servants and labourers or for resale to others for the same purpose. LordReed: You should be a lawyer! LOL! Exo 21:2: "If thou buy a Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing." Exo 21:20: "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished." Exo 21:26: "And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake." Exo 21:27: "And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake." Jer 34:9: "That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother." Jer 34:10: "Now when all the princes, and all the people, which had entered into the covenant, heard that every one should let his manservant, and every one his maidservant, go free, that none should serve themselves of them any more, then they obeyed, and let them go." Deu 23:15: "Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee:" Deu 24:14: "Thou shalt not oppress a hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates Forgive my lengthy quotes but It is apparent that the definition of servant (even in the worst case of slave) is different from yours. Even though I know that the scriptures is caustic to you and you'll probably not read this, I will add this Scripture Exo 21:16: "And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death." |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by kkins25(m): 6:55pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
budaatum:beats me too |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 7:01pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Lev. 25 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life Tell me how this was servanthood? |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by tintingz(m): 8:25pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
johnydon22:I understand this but I quite disagree. Because humans contemplate doesn't mean showing compassion is not innate to them too. I never said humans compassion is the same to that of animals, kindly read my premises. What I said is, "some" animals show compassionate behavior but they may not know if it's the right thing or the wrong thing to do. An ant saving it fellow ant may not know it's the right thing to do, but the behavior it display is compassionate whether it's a behavioral code or not. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 9:33pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:Unfortunately for you since you wouldn't look and read in context, let me break it down for you 1. No Hebrew can be a slave for more than 7 years 2. On account of "good treatment" a Hebrew slave can decide to stay permanently with his master by becoming bond to him. 3. On the year of jubilee which occur every 49/50 years ALL slaves (including the bond slaves and foreign slaves ) and ALL debts must be released. Lev 25:40: "But as a hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee:" The scripture you quoted refer to such where the servant is a foreigner. The Hebrew word used in English as slave or servant is ebed and depending on the context according to modern translation slaves or servants. The term ebed translates to servitude as an economic exchange. And it isn't necessarily evil for every Hebrew person is an ebed to someone else (everyone is ebed to the king, the king and the Prophet is ebed to God and the whole nation is still ebed to God). For the case of one who bond himself permanently to a family, it is a choice he makes because he was treated so well by his master: His choice. But even then on the day of jubilee he becomes free. Conclusion: What the Scripture says about ebed simply means this: They allowed a man, who had come to misfortune, to voluntarily lease his services to his richer brother, and great pains are taken in the Scripture to make enactments by which the richer shall not oppress his poorer brother. Moreover an ebed can buy his own freedom and is expected to be sent off with gifts and properties when his time expires. Slave market was illegal and except prisoners from war, most ebed sold themselves. I know that even when you read this , you cannot understand for that is your nature. But it doesn't change the fact that under modern times of wide education, the most wicked for of slavery occurs under Atheistic Government. Soviet Union and North Korea comes clearly to mind. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 9:55pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: OMFG! The passage is right there and you went on to explain some other passage. Explain how buying someone for life and owning them as property you can transfer as inheritance is servanthood. There is no freaking context aside from the fact that they could not do this to Israelite slaves. And they even had a caveat. If you give an Israelite slave a wife, when it is time to leave, if he says he will not leave the wife then he becomes a slave forever. Exodus 21 1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them. 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. 5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. Gosh! In which context of servanthood do you get to own your servant's children? Damn! |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 10:26pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:He shall serve him Forever as far as you are concerned means till eternity. Please continue. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by LordReed(m): 10:28pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
shadeyinka: LoL! I laugh in Hebrew. |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 10:44pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:Laughing at your funny laughter! |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by shadeyinka(m): 10:45pm On Aug 15, 2019 |
LordReed:Laughing at your funny laughter! ,��� |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by CAPSLOCKED: 12:53pm On Aug 16, 2019 |
hucknall: YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN BROTHERS ARE THE ONES CARRYING GUNS AND CHARMS TO ROB CITIZENS AND RAPE INNOCENT WOMEN. YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN UNCLES CAN'T DO WITHOUT SLEEPING WITH UNDERAGE "SMALL-SMALL GEHS", AND ARE NEVER STRAIGHT IN THEIR BUSINESSES.. ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CLIENTS TO CHEAT AND DUPE. YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN SISTERS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE LOOKING FOR WHO WILL TAKE THEM HOME FOR THE NIGHT FOR AS LITTLE AS 1K. THEIR MORALITY IS SO GODLY THAT THEY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH ABORTIONS, HARD DRUGS, PROSTITUTION AND ROBBERY. YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN AUNTIES, THEY'RE THE ONES MISTREATING THEIR NANNIES WHEN THEY'RE NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS AT THE MARKETS, OR ENVYING EACH OTHER. YOUR MORAL MUSLIM FRIENDS UP NORTH SHARPEN THEIR KNIVES DAILY, WAITING FOR A SIGNAL TO ENGAGE "INFIDELS" AND KILL THEM ALL. YOUR MORAL VILLAGE PEOPLE ARE STEADILY LOOKING FOR WHO TO KILL WITH CHARMS. YOUR MORAL FRIENDS IN THE CITY TRY TO EVADE PAYING TAX AND LIGHT BILLS. SOME ARE MOVING AROUND LOOKING FOR HANDBAGS AND PHONES TO SNATCH. SOME ARE LOOKING FOR GULLIBLE PEOPLE TO DECEIVE AND DO BAD BUSINESS WITH. SOME BUY LOTS OF GOODS WITH THE AIM OF PAYING FAKE CURRENCY, OR USING FALSE CREDIT ALERTS. SOME SPECIALIZE IN SELLING EXPIRED OR FAKE ITEMS THAT COULD DAMAGE SEVERAL HUMAN PARTS, BUT THEY DON'T CARE. LETS NOT FORGET YOUR MORAL CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, THE ONES THAT SARS ARE ALWAYS TRACKING DOWN. OUR PRISONS TODAY ARE OCCUPIED BY MOSTLY YOUR FELLOW MORAL CHRISTIANS. NOT UP TO 5% ARE FREETHINKERS, BECAUSE IN NIGERIA, THINKERS "THINK" ABOUT CRIME AND WHY NOT TO COMMIT CRIMES. 99% PERCENT OF YOU MORAL RELIGIONISTS EITHER HATE OR DESPISE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WORSHIP IN YOUR CHURCH, OR ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEF. YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ANYONE WHO IS NOT YOUR TRIBE, OR YOUR FAMILY. YOU RENDER ASSISTANCE TO NO ONE UNLESS YOUR GOD TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO. 99% OF YOU MORAL RELIGIONISTS SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR MORAL GOD'S STANCE ON MURDER, GENOCIDE, SLAVERY, RAPE, AND SO MANY OTHER ABOMINABLE DEEDS YOUR GOD DID IN YOUR HOLY BOOKS. IMMORAL BILL GATES HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY FOR AFRICAN KIDS AND HELPLESS PEOPLE FOR MANY YEARS RUNNING. YOUR MORAL POLITICIANS ONLY CARE FOR THEIR STOMACHS, AND WOULD KILL ANYBODY THAT STANDS FOR THE TRUTH. IN THIS WORLD, WE SHALL NOT SEE THE END OF FOOLISHNESS UNTIL RAPTURE COMES AND TAKES ALL OF YOU CHRISTIANS. 10 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by budaatum: 3:21pm On Aug 16, 2019 |
Anyone remember winner01 and his atheistic obsession? Ain't it funny how haters become nobodies? Slavery in the Bible: answers for Christians and the atheist dilemma Who Kills More, Religion or Atheism? |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by frank317: 7:20am On Aug 17, 2019 |
johnydon22: Listen to him johnny, he is making more sense |
Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by budaatum: 12:15pm On Aug 17, 2019 |
NLmember: johnydon22:Reminds me of when I use to have an imaginary million pounds in my bank account with which I intended to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari, except I could never find a Ferrari salesperson who would accept my million pounds. Don't worry Johny. Reality is one of those things that experience eventually reveals. |
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