Peacefullove:
Does Gods being refers to Gods nature ?

You can't even contribute a single word to the post only to ask nonsensical question....

Go ahead and tell us the difference between being and nature

Peacefullove:


Son would indicate a beginning , Father exist before son, agree ?

Wrong!
Very very wrong.

Your answer makes sense only if God has a wife.

The answer is in this question: who came first: God or The Word?

Anas09:

A master of arguments is avoiding argument? No, you know you'd be crushed if you dare, hence you ran off claiming you are avoiding arguments. What have you been doing since you registered your account in Nairaland if not arguing?

Can you mildly and respectfully discuss without insults, abusive speeches or curses?

If so you can ask any question regarding Jesus' model prayer!

But as for your first question, this is how we Practically Apply the first sentence!

Our father, who lives in heaven, let your name be sanctified.

¤Our father!
Jesus' use of the preposition OUR connotes collectivism, so nobody should lay a curse or call down evil on another creature made in God's image {Luke 9:52-56 compared to Genesis 1:27} because the Creator is OUR Father! Matthew 5:45

¤Lives in heaven!
The person we are worshipping is not here on earth so our prayers shouldn't be heard or noticeable by those who aren't worshippers of OUR invisible God. Neither should our gifts of mercy or offerings be paraded before anyone {NOT even before fellow worshipers} Matthew 6:1-7

¤Let your name be sanctified!
Many atrocities have been committed in the past in God's name, so true worshipers need to distinguish themselves {Matthew 5:14-16} in other for all observers to identify the GROUP worshipping the true God whose is LOVE! John 13:34-35, 17:20-23 compared to 1John 4:8

Please you too can present your own version of the Practical Applications of the model prayer so that everyone can perceive the Benefits thereof!

God bless you Sir!

Maximus69:


Can you mildly and respectfully discuss without insults, abusive speeches or curses?

If so you can ask any question regarding Jesus' model prayer!

But as for your first question, this is how we Practically Apply the first sentence!

Our father, who lives in heaven, let your name be sanctified.

¤Our father!
Jesus' use of the preposition OUR connotes collectivism, so nobody should lay a curse or call down evil on another creature made in God's image {Luke 9:52-56 compared to Genesis 1:27} because the Creator is OUR Father! Matthew 5:45

¤Lives in heaven!
The person we are worshipping is not here on earth so our prayers shouldn't be heard or noticeable by those who aren't worshippers of OUR invisible God. Neither should our gifts of mercy or offerings be paraded before anyone {NOT even before fellow worshipers} Matthew 6:1-7

¤Let your name be sanctified!
Many atrocities have been committed in the past in God's name, so true worshipers need to distinguish themselves {Matthew 5:14-16} in other for all observers to identify the GROUP worshipping the true God whose is LOVE! John 13:34-35, 17:20-23 compared to 1John 4:8

Please you too can present your own version of the Practical Applications of the model prayer so that everyone can perceive the Benefits thereof!

God bless you Sir!

This is all you can say about the Lord's Prayer? Lolzzzzz. When you are ready, I'll be here.

shadeyinka:


Wrong!
Very very wrong.

Your answer makes sense only if God has a wife.

The same Christian Bible call Adam son of God, did God have a wife ?

The answer is in this question: who came first: God or The Word?

What is " The word " , utterances ? I thought he spoke during Jesus baptism, u are high !

Emusan:


You can't even contribute a single word to the post only to ask nonsensical question....

Go ahead and tell us the difference between being and nature

Emusan, calm down ,

I only want to get you clearly so since Being and Nature you agree means the same thing. And that's the basis of equality.

Do u know some humans will partake of Gods VERY NATURE ?

I want to know if this means they are also equal to God ?

Shepherd00:

Before I answer this your question, pls explain what you understand by that scripture.

What does it mean?

Mary gives birth to human flesh, thus it's mother.

That place you quote says God is manifested in flesh , which means the Flesh Mary birth is God , automatically making Mary Gods mother.

You just proved catholicism right, agree ?

Peacefullove:


The same Christian Bible call Adam son of God, did God have a wife ?

Didn't Jesus call us children of God?

So you can see your fallacy!
The word "Son" is a figurative expression to depict an order or hierarchy or office.
Which came first, your Body or your Soul/Spirit?

Peacefullove:

What is " The word " , utterances ? I thought he spoke during Jesus baptism, u are high !

John 1:1-4:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. This was in the beginning with God. All things were by him; and without him out him was not one thing that was. In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

Anas09:

This is all you can say about the Lord's Prayer? Lolzzzzz. When you are ready, I'll be here.

That's why i "Maximus" only discuss with lovers of truth as in righteousness, NOT arguing with bragats who only feel like spewing grammars like the proud and lousy Pastors whose presentations has no positive effect on their congregants apart from being eloquent in speech!

You were bragging about the understanding of the scriptures, to explain what Jesus meant to inculcate with the model prayer {Lord's prayer}, spoke as if you're throwing a challenge to someone who can't explain what's written and by the end of the day became silent after seeing the irrefutable interpretations of what you were bragging about.

For your information Sir,

Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information nobody is disputing that you don't have the head knowledge of what you're reading in the scriptures Sir

But

Wisdom is the Practical Applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits this is what no other religious group possesses apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

Well that's the interpretation of the model prayer from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and it's the reason why there is NO room for
¤Curses of any kind in our midst!
¤Weapon carriers of any kind in our midst!
¤Hypocritical display of sacredness in our midst!
¤Racism in our midst!
So that the organization {despite having challenges of keeping people from different backgrounds in check due to many barbaric traits} have succeeded in making them see each and every other member of the organization {no matter where they may come from} as their brother in Christ whose welfare should be of serious concern to them!
God bless you!

Peacefullove:
I only want to get you clearly so since Being and Nature you agree means the same thing. And that's the basis of equality.

Do u know some humans will partake of Gods VERY NATURE ?

I want to know if this means they are also equal to God ?

Where did I say being and nature mean the same thing

Besides, my post is very detailed, point any part you couldn't comprehend, I will explain instead of asking unnecessary question.

Maximus69:


That's why i "Maximus" only discuss with lovers of truth as in righteousness, NOT arguing with bragats who only feel like spewing grammars like the proud and lousy Pastors whose presentations has no positive effect on their congregants apart from being eloquent in speech!

You were bragging about the understanding of the scriptures, to explain what Jesus meant to inculcate with the model prayer {Lord's prayer}, spoke as if you're throwing a challenge to someone who can't explain what's written and by the end of the day became silent after seeing the irrefutable interpretations of what you were bragging about.

For your information Sir,

Knowledge is the accumulation of useful information nobody is disputing that you don't have the head knowledge of what you're reading in the scriptures Sir

But

Wisdom is the Practical Applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits this is what no other religious group possesses apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

Well that's the interpretation of the model prayer from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and it's the reason why there is NO room for
¤Curses of any kind in our midst!
¤Weapon carriers of any kind in our midst!
¤Hypocritical display of sacredness in our midst!
¤Racism in our midst!
So that the organization {despite having challenges of keeping people from different backgrounds in check due to many barbaric traits} have succeeded in making them see each and every other member of the organization {no matter where they may come from} as their brother in Christ whose welfare should be of serious concern to them!
God bless you!

All these long irrant empty words here won't cut with me.

Dose your JW governing council have only 'Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name' as the Lord's prayer?

And, are you so zoombiyic that you had to go copy from your website and paste here?

You no get sense to think for yourself?

Like I said, when you are ready to analyze the Model Prayer, I will be here.

shadeyinka:

Didn't Jesus call us children of God?

So you can see your fallacy!
The word "Son" is a figurative expression to depict an order or hierarchy or office.
Which came first, your Body or your Soul/Spirit?

We are called children of God because he Created us all , Yes ??

John 1:1-4:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word. This was in the beginning with God. All things were by him; and without him out him was not one thing that was. In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

We found God speaking word without the word during Jesus baptism

How can God speak without the word if word were utterances from God mouth ?

Why are you so insecure ? Just relax

Emusan:


Where did I say being and nature mean the same thing

Have you forgotten the below ?


" The Father is a person, the form/ Nature the Father exists is called GOD.

In man terminology there are different beings in the universe:

God....Being "

Compare the two underlined, you used it as meaning the same thing. Note what OXFORD dictionary said when defining being



" the nature or essence of a person. "

You definitely agree with that definition , Yes ?

Besides, my post is very detailed, point any part you couldn't comprehend, I will explain instead of asking unnecessary question.

Have pointed it out as requested by you:

Then explain the below

° By virtue of humans having Gods very being/Nature, tell me does it mean they are equal to God?

° I recall correctly that Jesus have TWO natures, while the Father have only one , How then can someone say they are equal in nature ?

Peacefullove:


We are called children of God because he Created us all , Yes ??

In other words, figurative

Peacefullove:


We found God speaking word without the word during Jesus baptism

How can God speak without the word if word were utterances from God mouth ?

As far as you are concerned, even after reading the Scripture presented you think the WORD means Speech?
For the Word is God Himself. SmH

Peacefullove:
Why are you so insecure ? Just relax

Nothing weh Musa no go see for gate, so insecure....

Have you forgotten the below ?
" The Father is a person, the form/ Nature the Father exists is called GOD.

In man terminology there are different beings in the universe:

God....Being "

Compare the two underlined, you used it as meaning the same thing.

Now look at the @colored part and see where your problem lies, you assume something then conclude within you on my behalf.

Note what OXFORD dictionary said when defining being
the nature or essence of a person. "

You definitely agree with that definition , Yes?

Have pointed it out as requested by you:

I have shown you your problem.

Then explain the below

° By virtue of humans having Gods very being/Nature, tell me does it mean they are equal to God?

Tell us the VERY BEING/NATURE the humans will have?

Are they going to become a Creator?
Are they going to be an eternal being?
Are they going to be Alpha and Omega?

because you disconnected this part from my post and just cherry pick that you want.

° I recall correctly that Jesus have TWO natures, while the Father have only one , How then can someone say they are equal in nature ?

Olodo...
If you can ask this question then you don't worth discuss with because it shows you lack knowledge in the subject matter.

Peacefullove:


Mary gives birth to human flesh, thus it's mother.

That place you quote says God is manifested in flesh , which means the Flesh Mary birth is God , automatically making Mary Gods mother.

You just proved catholicism right, agree ?

This is the stark Carnality that I was talking abt.

Guy you are too physical in your portrayal of the person of The Divine Human One. The Human God Jesus, so, it wld just be a waste of my precious time trying to school you.

Just enjoy.

Shepherd00:

This is the stark Carnality that I was talking abt.

Guy you are too physical in your portrayal of the person of The Divine Human One. The Human God Jesus, so, it wld just be a waste of my precious time trying to school you.

Just enjoy.

In other words, You can't dispute that fact pointed out ?

If God manifest in flesh and Mary gives birth to THAT FLESH, Mary became the Mother of God.

Come up with something better , this run away tactic u chose is too cheap

You ended up saying nothing .

Emusan:


Now look at the @colored part and see where your problem lies, you assume something then conclude within you on my behalf.



I have shown you your problem.

You said the Form/Nature is God.

The being is God .


My simple question again, Do you agree with OXFPRD dictionary that being means THE NATURE/ESSENCE ?

Tell us the VERY BEING/NATURE the humans will have?

Divine Nature. , Do you agree it means Gods nature ?

Is God Divine ?

Are they going to become a Creator?
Are they going to be an eternal being?
Are they going to be Alpha and Omega?

because you disconnected this part from my post and just cherry pick that you want.

You trinitarians say holy spirit have this very being yet It doesn't know the day or hour . that alone rule out your question's. . the point is Nature not individual characteristics


Let me school you on your logic:

Everybody irrespective of Power, position, wealth , are all HUMAN BEING , having the Human nature.



If you apply this logic to this discussion, Your questions shows how deluded you are on the concept you are advocating

Will humans have DIVINE NATURE ?

Olodo...
If you can ask this question then you don't worth discuss with because it shows you lack knowledge in the subject matter.

Probably you fail to think.

Reconcile hypostatic union of two natures with someone with a single nature, Where is the equality by Nature ?

Anas09:

All these long irrant empty words here won't cut with me.

Dose your JW governing council have only 'Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name' as the Lord's prayer?

And, are you so zoombiyic that you had to go copy from your website and paste here?

You no get sense to think for yourself?

Like I said, when you are ready to analyze the Model Prayer, I will be here.

That's where you failed woefully Sir!

Because everything i wrote about the model prayer can't be found in one single publication of our organization, but through the intensive studying of God's word with the aid of the publications all these just happened to be there as if "written in the heart" of over 8.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the globe! Jeremiah 31:33
There is nowhere anyone can copy what i just typed Sir, but if you ask any member of the organization in any part of the earth they'll tell you "Yes, that's exactly what we're to bear in mind regarding Jesus' model prayer"

shadeyinka:

In other words, figurative

Figurative in what sense?

Jesus been called son also indicate been created Yes ?

We are called Children of God because he created us all, Yes ?

As far as you are concerned, even after reading the Scripture presented you think the WORD means Speech?
For the Word is God Himself. SmH

Impossible, the word was WITH , WITH , WITH , WITH, WITH , God.

With indicates Two , two Gods ?

Not God himself . agree ?

Peacefullove:


Figurative in what sense?

Jesus been called son also indicate been created Yes ?

We are called Children of God because he created us all, Yes ?




Impossible, the word was WITH , WITH , WITH , WITH, WITH , God.

With indicates Two , two Gods ?

Not God himself . agree ?

It's OK Peacefullove,

If some religion teaches that God WAS WITH himself but JWs teaches that someone else WAS WITH God, i think the next thing now is to examine the Practical Applications and Benefits of the God who WAS with himself, and that of the God who WAS WITH someone else! Matthew 5:14-16, 7:15-20, James 2:18-26

Peacefullove:


Figurative in what sense?

Jesus been called son also indicate been created Yes ?

We are called Children of God because he created us all, Yes ?




Impossible, the word was WITH , WITH , WITH , WITH, WITH , God.

With indicates Two , two Gods ?

Not God himself . agree ?

And "Father Abraham" mean created by Abraham!?

Two God's?
Where did you get that blasphemy!

Some people want a God that can be localised in space.

ICE, STEAM, WATER is H2O but you choose to see three different H2O.

Is the above difficult to comprehend: that
The FATHER, The WORD and The HOLY Spirit describes One GOD?

You are:
BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT which is You

If God is omnipresent, does it mean there are Billions of God?

*

shadeyinka:


Wrong!
Very very wrong.

Your answer makes sense only if God has a wife.

The answer is in this question: who came first: God or The Word?

God exists before his son was "brought forth".
Psalms90:2 how did God give birth to the mountains?
"Lord Jehovah created me as the first of his works" Proverbs 8:22-30. 1Cor1:24,30.

The Hebrew word "Qanah" (meaning 'birth', same in Genesis 4:1,2) translated "possessed" /"produced" /"brought fought" in most Bible versions.
Anything you "possess" is subject to your power and authority.
In John1:1,'the Word' is not a mere word, but a real spirit person.
"The Word WAS WITH ( "was with "Greek meaning=face to face,towards ) tov theon (the God).

Hebrew 1:1,2 confirms the fact that God himself spoke (in Genesis/OT, ) & later He spoke through his son.
Proof ,"the Word" is of course the son of God in heaven.

In Genesis, "God spoke " 'let there be light' " etc.
As God spoke in Genesis, again He spoke in Matt 3:17, to whom?

shadeyinka:

And "Father Abraham" mean created by Abraham!?

Two God's?
Where did you get that blasphemy!

Some people want a God that can be localised in space.

ICE, STEAM, WATER is H2O but you choose to see three different H2O.

Is the above difficult to comprehend: that
The FATHER, The WORD and The HOLY Spirit describes One GOD?

You are:
BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT which is You

If God is omnipresent, does it mean there are Billions of God?

@1)
"Father Abraham" is the father of every Jew !
Abraham no be their mate. John8:31-33,53.
lols.

@2)
Ice, Steam ,water ,H20 na different names for the same thing- water.
Sophistry no go kee you.....
Just as Cephas, Simon Peter or Apostle Peter is different names..
YHWH is not his son, says Jesus. John14:1. John5:37,JESUS REJECTS your falsification of John1:14 and 1 tim3:16.



@3)
Body from dust + breathe of life (spirit) from God=Living soul. Genesis 2:7.

Body minus breathe of life (spirit) from God= Dead Soul. James2:26. Eccl12:7. Gen3:19.

Janosky:


God exists before his son was "brought forth".
Psalms90:2 how did God give birth to the mountains?
"Lord Jehovah created me as the first of his works" Proverbs 8:22-30. 1Cor1:24,30.

The Hebrew word "Qanah" (meaning 'birth', same in Genesis 4:1,2) translated "possessed" /"produced" /"brought fought" in most Bible versions.
Anything you "possess" is subject to your power and authority.
In John1:1,'the Word' is not a mere word, but a real spirit person.
"The Word WAS WITH ( "was with "Greek meaning=face to face,towards ) tov theon (the God).

Hebrew 1:1,2 confirms the fact that God himself spoke (in Genesis/OT, ) & later He spoke through his son.
Proof ,"the Word" is of course the son of God in heaven.

In Genesis, "God spoke " 'let there be light' " etc.
As God spoke in Genesis, again He spoke in Matt 3:17, to whom?

I wish we don't have to go over this again.




Col 1:15-18:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
He is the visible representation of the invisible God

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
ALL things include Angels, the 24 Elders, the Universe, Adam &Eve, Satan etc

All things were created by him, and for him:

All things were created FOR HIM Check out Rev4:11 to know who this is


And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
By Him ALL things consist: meaning that everything is because of Him

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."


Please look at
Rev 4:8-11:
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth forever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

Please who is the one on the Throne that the four beasts and the 24 Elders worship?



And this same person is the WORD according to John1:1-5

John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."


Check your bolded!
In Genesis Jehovah said, "Let there be Light, and there was Light"
But the Light is a created THING

Colossians and John affirms that those words were spoken by the WORD as the Word made everything that was made.

Janosky:


@1)
"Father Abraham" is the father of every Jew !
Abraham no be their mate. John8:31-33,53.
lols.

@2)
Ice, Steam ,water ,H20 na different names for the same thing- water.
Sophistry no go kee you.....
Just as Cephas, Simon Peter or Apostle Peter is different names..
YHWH is not his son, says Jesus. John14:1. John5:37,JESUS REJECTS your falsification of John1:14 and 1 tim3:16.



@3)
Body from dust + breathe of life (spirit) from God=Living soul. Genesis 2:7.

Body minus breathe of life (spirit) from God= Dead Soul. James2:26. Eccl12:7. Gen3:19.

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God , and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season , until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


Dead/Slain yet alive!
Dead/Slain yet could speak!
Dead/Slain yet could be dressed in white robes!
Dead/Slain yet could be TOLD to exercise patience!
SMH

If breath of life was had been subtracted from the body , according to your argument they are dead and unconscious.

Look at the bolded : I bet you can't see that the breath of life seem to carry the identity of the slain person. That the breath of life seems not to be unconscious. That the breath of life is ALIVE!

Don't lie to yourself, look at the Scripture again.

shadeyinka:

I wish we don't have to go over this again.




Col 1:15-18:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
He is the visible representation of the invisible God

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
ALL things include Angels, the 24 Elders, the Universe, Adam &Eve, Satan etc

All things were created by him, and for him:

All things were created FOR HIM Check out Rev4:11 to know who this is


And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
By Him ALL things consist: meaning that everything is because of Him

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."


Please look at
Rev 4:8-11:
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth forever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

Please who is the one on the Throne that the four beasts and the 24 Elders worship?



And this same person is the WORD according to John1:1-5

John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."


Check your bolded!
In Genesis Jehovah said, "Let there be Light, and there was Light"
But the Light is a created THING

Colossians and John affirms that those words were spoken by the WORD as the Word made everything that was made.

Shadeyinka said:
"Please who is the one on the Throne that the
four beasts and the 24 Elders worship?"

Pls Read, study & Digest Jesus Christ reply to your question at Revelation 3:5,21.

My questions for you, Mr Shadeyinka....
@1)
Did Jesus create his Father?

@2) Revelation 3:21,
"To the one who is victorious, I will give the
right to sit with me on my throne, just as I
was victorious and sat down with my Father
on his throne".

Who did Jesus say owns the throne ?

@3) Where was Jesus when the Revelation 3:21 was made known?

@4) John 1:1 Greek, " the word was with ton theon (the God)", in Greek "WAS WITH", means what?


@5) In your Bible Preface, "Lord God Almighty" is a reference to whom? & in Revelation chapter 4 to whom? who owns the throne?


@6 ) In Greek lexicon "dia autou" in John1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrew 1:2, 1Cor 8:6, "THROUGH him" means what?

Note: Pls respond to ALL questions. Omit none. If you dodge , you're not being honest.

True Christianity vol 2.
Listen to Emmanuel Swedenborg's wisdom

shadeyinka:

I wish we don't have to go over this again.




Col 1:15-18:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
He is the visible representation of the invisible God

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
ALL things include Angels, the 24 Elders, the Universe, Adam &Eve, Satan etc

All things were created by him, and for him:

All things were created FOR HIM Check out Rev4:11 to know who this is


And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
By Him ALL things consist: meaning that everything is because of Him

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."


Please look at
Rev 4:8-11:
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth forever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

Please who is the one on the Throne that the four beasts and the 24 Elders worship?



And this same person is the WORD according to John1:1-5

John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."


Check your bolded!
In Genesis Jehovah said, "Let there be Light, and there was Light"
But the Light is a created THING

Colossians and John affirms that those words were spoken by the WORD as the Word made everything that was made.

Shadeyinka, you are a wise person.

shadeyinka:

And "Father Abraham" mean created by Abraham!?

All are called children of God because God create them all, Yes ?

Two God's?
Where did you get that blasphemy!

" The Word [God ] was WITH God "

Agree , With indicates Two Gods ?
.

Some people want a God that can be localised in space.

ICE, STEAM, WATER is H2O but you choose to see three different H2O.

Is the above difficult to comprehend: that
The FATHER, The WORD and The HOLY Spirit describes One GOD?

Not when one is WITH another

You are:
BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT which is You

No , according to Religious doctrine. Body is just a housing for the soul. Which is the main person. So the main person is Soul, not body . body is just an ordinary covering

If God is omnipresent, does it mean there are Billions of God?

Another brainless analogy

And your point here is ?

Peacefullove:

All are called children of God because God create them all, Yes ?



" The Word [God ] was WITH God "

Agree , With indicates Two Gods ?

Not when one is WITH another .

And the phrase:
I sat at the table by myself. I will not be at the party. I will be at home by myself tonight
The by indicate WITH another!?

Peacefullove:


No , according to Religious doctrine. Body is just a housing for the soul. Which is the main person. So the main person is Soul, not body . body is just an ordinary covering


Another brainless analogy

And your point here is ?

Your religious doctrine says that the Body is the main person and that when the soul/life giving force leaves a person he becomes unconscious and non existent. (Wrong doctrine)

Your Body is YOU in the Physical Realm (even your dog knows this)
Your Soul is YOU to yourself ( that is the person you refer to as "I" or "Me"
Your Spirit is YOU in the Spiritual Realm (that is what makes you a spirit being: )

If the body is just a housing, do you agree then that a person is alive after Physical Death?