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Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Janosky: 10:13pm On Aug 24, 2019 |
Emusan:Emusan in Sifia pains. Stop lying. JWs use different Bible translations. Go to jw.org and see for yourself. Personally I have several ones (hard-copy) at home plus others online. SOURCE:bibletools.org Strong's #4352: proskuneo (pronounced pros-koo-neh'-o) from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship. Thayer's Greek Lexicon: ́ proskuneō 1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence 2) among the Orientals, especially the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence 3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication 3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank 3a1) to the Jewish high priests 3a2) to God 3a3) to Christ 3a4) to heavenly beings 3a5) to demons Part of Speech: verb Relation: from G4314 and a probable derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master' s hand)" FACTS don't lie. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 10:33pm On Aug 24, 2019 |
Janosky: Anytime your lies are being exposed, it's then you'll people use to remember Hebrew and Greek Show us from your own translation whether humans were directly refer to as MIGHTY GOD the way it was referred to Jehovah and Jesus Christ. **1 Cor8:6" there is actually to us ONE GOD, the Father". You're still barking and growling..... Is Jesus a lesser God or false God? That's the question....no hide and seek for you. It's a fuss to Emusan and other Trinity worshippers who twist Isaiah 9:6 to make false claims Brainwashed JWs, I asked "What is so unique about Christ being Mighty God, if human are already a Mighty God?" Rev3:14 where was Jesus Christ when he called himself "first born of creation" ? He was in heaven.... Why did Jesus beg his Father to give him the glory he had before? No where! You're lying....show us the verse.... @5) "The Messenger is not greater than his Owner who sent him",says Jesus Christ. See brainwashed.... Who tell you that Jesus honor should surpass His Father ![]() ![]() ![]() Who are you to twist the word of Christ ![]() Jesus said you should honor Him EVEN AS you honor Jehovah....did He ask you to honor Him above how you honor Jehovah ![]() Have you been obeying Jesus word by honoring Him EVEN AS you honor Jehovah ![]() This is one of the Jesus statement that will continue to nail all you enemies of Christ. @6). **1 Timothy 2:5,6 Is Jesus mediating now or not, that's the question? When you're tired of crying...you'll be ok @7 See brainwash..... So you mean only 144,000 will resurrect.... What of those who will leave forever on earth, are they not going to be resurrected? Is their resurrection going to be different from that of Christ? The same 1 Corinthian 15 was about resurrection in general only a brainwashed JWs will limit it to some particular set of people. Paul said, "we shall not all SLEEP but we shall all be changed" isn't this evident that some people will not die and still possess this SPIRITUAL BODY? |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Janosky: 11:03pm On Aug 24, 2019 |
Emusan:You are the one being afraid here because our recourse to Hebrew or Greek, (original languages of the Bible) gives the true meaning of any word in the Bible. You fear Greek and Hebrew because you're afraid of your lies being exposed. If I read any Igbo word for Chinua Achebe's "Things fall Apart ", Emusan, na which language go give the true meaning of that word? New World Translation (nwt) Deuteronomy 10:17 "For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty, " Psalms 82:1,6 Men are Gods. EL (God, God's,Divine) meaning "Mighty One, Strong One. ** LEXICON God אֱֽלֹהִ֗ים (’ĕlō·hîm) Noun - masculine plural Strong's Hebrew 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative presides (takes his place) נִצָּ֥ב (niṣ·ṣāḇ) Verb - Nifal - Participle - masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 5324: To take one's stand, stand in the divine אֵ֑ל (’êl) Noun - masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 410: Strength -- as adjective, mighty, the Almighty assembly; בַּעֲדַת־ (ba·‘ă·ḏaṯ-) Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct Strong's Hebrew 5712: A stated assemblage He renders judgment יִשְׁפֹּֽט׃ (yiš·pōṭ) Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 8199: To judge, pronounce sentence, to vindicate, punish, to govern, to litigate among בְּקֶ֖רֶב (bə·qe·reḇ) Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct Strong's Hebrew 7130: The nearest part, the center the gods: אֱלֹהִ֣ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm) Noun - masculine plural Strong's Hebrew 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative **Emusan, plz give us the Bible verses of Strong's Hebrews 410 and Strong's Hebrew 430...... Truth NEVER hides.. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 1:48pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan: Good you didn't dispute humans been termed the exact same El Gibboa. or else you would have been disgraced you should be ashamed of yourself @undelined . If it was applied to humans, are these humans NOT MIGHTY GODS TOO ? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 2:23pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan: Since humans are worshipped , And worship belong to God in the trinitarian argument, Are these humans that accepted worship Gods ?
Very silly human, now you shifted to Command. Revelation 3:9, (KJV) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Will Jesus command worship for humans here or not ?
![]() ![]() ![]() John 17:24. "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. " @undelined , the Glory is the same one at John 17:5 given before the Creation of the world . Emusan, Lie would not kill you ![]() further Emphasis on " Be with me WHERE I AM, to see my Glory " . Is this nor reffering to his heavenly Glory he prayed to have back ? finally he said it was " GIVEN me ".
in that case, Not when the Son also honors his Father ,( John 8:49) . You probably didn't think about that did you, ? ![]()
ressurection to a " Spiritual body " 1 Cor 15:44 define spiritual, is it Physical ? ? ? Prove to the world how Ignorant you are. since Jesus raised a spirit, have a Spiritual body, Don't ever again claim he is human in heaven. He has A GOD even in his Spirit form. Agree ??
John 3:6 " Who has been born of flesh is flesh [human being ] , and what has been born from the spirit is Spirit [spirit being ] " Those to be resurrected on earth have no hope of going to heaven and becoming Spirit beings. they will be FLESH [humans]. Spirit life is for born agains.. , they ain't born agains. Again Christ was raised in a spiritual body, is a spiritual body physical ? 1 Corinthians 15:44
Did Jesus not ressurect WITH WOUNDS AND SCARS in the human ressurection theory ? if those to be ressurected would be fashioned after his pattern , Would they not retain their wounds, scars, Hunch backs, Burns , ? ? ? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 2:38pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan prove that they do not honor Christ ? secondly, You are the greatest enemy of Christ for not believing his soul died for mankind as prophesied by Isaiah . 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 3:00pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
cc: Janosky Emusan: You never know say ressurecting as a Spirit with Spiritual body na hope of born agains? ![]() So everybody ressurected will have spiritual body , Everybody na born again ![]() ![]() ![]() Let me see you apply spiritual body to those in your hell myth . born agains ![]() [/i]
shall not sleep, is not shall not die. Sleep indicates a period of rest ., Someone ressurected instantly doesn't sleep in death. Again, Is a Spiritual Body Physical ? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by orunto27: 3:19pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Even you are Almighty but not God. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 5:14pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Firstly, I didn't know where to start replying you because of too much heresies in your post. Secondly, you use the tactics of spamming my mention by bringing up disjointed post which make it impossible to reply unless I begin to copy and paste. Barristter07: Like I said, you running to Hebrew won't save you... Show us how your own translation rendered that verse let's see if it directly called man MIGHTY GOD.....if your term of El Giboa is true.... What is the essence of Christ being called MIGHTY GOD if Human on earth are already known to be MIGHTY GOD... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by bingbagbo(m): 5:26pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan: Stop wasting ur breath on these Jw cultists bro, their consciences are seered with a hot rod Can't u see they Anti-Christs? They have corrupted the Bible to suit their demonic doctrine. Relax bro. 3 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 5:29pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan: El shaddai ( Almighty ) was never applied to any human, EL Gibboa applied to Messiah and other humans indicate being a powerful one. NOT an equal God. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 5:42pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: Who is the person Jesus is referring to in that Revelation 3:9 ![]()
Like I said, the Glory Jesus spoke about in Vs 5 is different from the one in Vs 24.. Jesus had glory with the Father which was not given... in that case, Idiot.... Did me telling you to honor me the way you honor your daddy not placing me on the same level with your dad? That's the question.. Have you been honoring Jesus Christ EVEN AS you honor Jehovah? ressurection to a " Spiritual body " 1 Cor 15:44 I don't know your level of heresy has gone to another level.... Do you even understand the whole content of that 1 Corinthian 15 at all ![]() So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it ris raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. The resurrection of the dead here, is it for particular people or everyone in Christ? John 3:6 See another ridiculous one from the brainwashed JWs.... So John 3:6 is for your deluded people who will live in paradise earth ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So are the people who will live forever in your paradise earth going to be BORN BY FLESH or resurrected? If spirit is for born again.... John 3:3 says "Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD" John 3:5 says "...Except a man be BORN of water and of the SPIRIT, he CANNOT enter into the Kingdom of God" The questions are: 1. Are you going to see the Kingdom of God or not? 2. Will you enter the kingdom of God or not? So are you a born again person? Did Jesus not ressurect WITH WOUNDS AND SCARS in the human ressurection theory ? Go back to that 1 Corinthian 15 make sure you read it slowly this time....so that you will grab the description of resurrection Apostle Paul talked about. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by rosy1992(f): 5:45pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
it's very vivid you don't have a deep understanding of the Bible. who is David compared to our Lord Jesus Christ? DAVID IS NOTHING TO BE COMPARED TO JESUS |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 5:47pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: Show us how your own translation rendered it whether it says man a MIGHTY GOD, why are you afraid of bringing it down here? Again, what is the essence of Isaiah calling The born Messiah MIGHTY GOD if Human are already known to be a MIGHTY GOD? You're still dodging my questions. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 5:56pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan: You can as well tell us they are not humans ![]() He said this Glory given him was because The Father loved him before the creation of the world ? ![]()
Open your senses, If You honor my dad You are not equal with him, Jesus honor his Father .
Only He that is born from spirit is Spirit The above applies to Heavenly ressurection , Paul said Like the Heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly.
Born again is called Spiritual BIRTH, non born agains won't experience it. What is born of Flesh is Flesh, They retained their Physical birth status as human.
Kingdom of God here indicates heavenly access ( compare Matt 11:11) . evidenced by " What is born from spirit is Spirit ! spirit beings reside in heaven John 3:8 says GOD chooses who becomes born again. Not by personal interest
Is spiritual physical ? If Jesus was raised in a spiritual body, Can he be physical ? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 6:25pm On Aug 25, 2019 |
Emusan: The fact that it doesn't render the Same word Mighty God for humans means the word doesn't indicate been God.
The bold explains it, Christian translators render it that way because its accepted to be a Messianic verse, And the annointed one is a representative from God 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Janosky: 1:31am On Aug 26, 2019 |
Emusan: @1) Shame on you. Bring PROOF that the Hebrew or Greek words/meaning is not accurate. I challenge you to use Hebrew lexicon to prove that Psalms 82:1,6 ,(NWT)is wrong. Psalms 82:1,6 (kjv) , you no trust your kjv? @2) Revelation 3:12.,Jesus has spoken to you. Emusan, Use Jesus words in the spiritual realm to determine which "God" he is.. New King James Version "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God." @3) Nothing unusual or unique. @4).You reply, Good. @Revelation 3:12,Jesus has told Emusan his (Jesus) status in the spiritual realm. @5) John 17:1,5,22. "Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven he said :'the hour has come. Father, glorify your son so that your son may glorify you. " Vs5 "So now, Father glorify me at your side with the glory I had alongside you before the world was " 22 "I have given them the glory you have GIVEN ME..." V24" nailed Emusan lie lie again... @6) Revelation 3:5,12, Jesus words in the spiritual realm is a good measure of the honor he would receive compared to his God and Father. No equality there. @7) Jesus is still the mediator, My prayers MUST end with the words "In Jesus name Amen ".(I don't know about you ooo!) @ ![]() Lie. 2 Cor5:1.2. 1Cor15:35.36. They must die before they can enter heavenly life in spirit realm Flesh and blood can't inherit heavenly life, 1 Corinthians chapter 15 is strictly about resurrection to heavenly life.(New heaven). Acts24:15 ,Matt5:5. Resurrection for new earth subjects is different. Rev21:4.5. Barrister07 has shed more light on this matter wella |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by johnw47: 3:08am On Aug 26, 2019 |
God has taken a people for His name, that people is Israel 1Ki_8:16 Since the day that I brought forth my people Israel out of Egypt, I chose no city out of all the tribes of Israel to build an house, that my name might be therein; but I chose David to be over my people Israel. Isaiah 43:6-7, I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. God is called El: "El ohim", "El shaddai" Israel is called by God's name: "Isra el" God's Holy Angels are also called by God's name: "Micha el", "Gabri el", "Rapha el", "Uri el" Jesus is called Christ Christians are called by Christ's name: "Christ ians" Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. 1Pe_4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 4:03pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: Isn't this exposed your previous lie that human are also a MIGHTY GOD? Everyone knows that a word can have different meanings but you people first lie that it means human are MIGHTY GOD but when proof was demanded, the narration changed. The bold explains it, Christian translators render it that way because its accepted to be a Messianic verse, And the annointed one is a representative from God Is it only Christian that believe in messianic passages in the scripture? Give us just one rabbinic rendition that ever used El Giboa for human as a MIGHTY GOD. Your first claim was that human are MIGHTY GOD also, so what is the essence of Isaiah calling the child to be born again MIGHTY GOD if Human are already known to be a Mighty God? That's the point you're still dodging. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 5:04pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: So are you then afraid to name the person who was referring to in that verse? Let people see who is a liar here.... He said this Glory given him was because The Father loved him before the creation of the world ? Liar . liar he didn't say the glory was given to Him because of the love but the Father to grant His desire/request because of the love the Father has for Him before the creation of the world. Can you see how shallow your understanding is about scripture? Again, this verse didn't negate verse 5 Open your senses, If You honor my dad You are not equal with him, Jesus honor his Father. Cry of a deluded person.... If I asked you to honor me EVEN AS you honor your daddy, isn't that an indication that I'm placing myself on equal level with your dad? You think you can use your dubious way to buy away this one. Have you been honoring Jesus Christ as He commanded you EVEN AS you honor Jehovah? Only He that is born from spirit is Spirit Idiot see how you change the word BORN to RESURRECTION.... The content of 1 Corinthian 15 is a general address of Resurrection, it's your lying and demonic organization who separated it. Apostle Paul was addressing misconception of people about the DEAD IN GENERAL. Born again is called Spiritual BIRTH, non born agains won't experience it. But the BORN AGAIN will SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD and ENTER IT. Are you going to see the Kingdom of God or enter it? Besides, the flesh talks about here simply means the sinful nature not human body.... John 1:12-13 says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...which were not BORN, not of BLOOD, nor of the will of the FLESH..." Now look at how your demonic organization defined born Again: Born Again Definition: Being born again involves being baptized in water (“born from water”) and begotten by God’s spirit (“born from . . . spirit”), thus becoming a son of God with the prospect of sharing in the Kingdom of God. Are you baptized by water? Are you begotten by God's spirit? Are all Jehovah witnesses baptized by water and begotten by God's spirit? It's clear that this criteria fits in with whosoever become son of God according to John 1:12 It's evident that Jehovah witnesses are not God's son but just want to inherit earth in crook way. Kingdom of God here indicates heavenly access ( compare Matt 11:11) . evidenced by " What is born from spirit is Spirit ! spirit beings reside in heaven Idiot....so why are you praying for kingdom of God to come if it's just an heavenly access ![]() This is John 3:8 "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearesth the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it forth, so it EVERYONE that is born of the spirit" where does this verse say "God chooses who become BORN AGAIN? See the extent watchtower has damaged your brain Is spiritual physical ? Go back an read 1 Corinthian 15 to understand what Apostle Paul was saying concerning the RESURRECTION, it's evident you don't know and still continue to hold on to watchtower wrong teaching. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Janosky: 5:43pm On Aug 26, 2019 |
Emusan: @*1) Hebrew Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) Key Word Studies (Translations-Definitions- Meanings) » H0410 « #0410 אֵל 'el {ale} shortened from H0352 ; TWOT - 93a; n m —Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration- Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) god, god-like one, mighty one 1a) mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes 1b) angels 1c) god, false god, (demons, imaginations) 1d) God, the one true God, Jehovah 2) mighty things in nature 3) strength, power @2). —Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon) Shortened from H0352 ; strength; as adjective mighty ; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity ):—God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in "-el." @3 — Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament) #410 . אֵל el (41d); a prim. root; God, in pl. gods :— NASB - El-berith*(1), God(204), god(16), God's(2), gods(3), helpless*(1), mighty(3) , Mighty One(3), power(1), strong(1). —NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries Copyright © 1981, 1998 by The Lockman Foundation — All rights reserved — http:// www.lockman.org Addendum *@i) Edwin Louis Cole, Courage, Winning Life’s Toughest Battles (Tulsa: Harrison House: 1991), p. 159: “The word designated for the expected Messiah in Isaiah 9:6 is el gibbor (from the root word, geber). It is usually translated ‘Mighty God,’ but more exactly it is ‘Powerful Champion’ or ‘Godly Hero.’” @ii). John Schoenhieit, The Sower (bi-monthly magazine) Mar/Apr 2006, Spirit & Truth Fellowship International : “The word gibbor means strong or mighty, and refers to someone who is bold or audacious, strong or valiant. The phrase ‘el gibbor’ is used in the plural in Ezekiel 32:21 (ESV, NRSV, RSV), where it is translated ‘mighty chiefs,’ ‘mighty leaders (NIV), ‘strong among the mighty’ (KJV), ‘mightiest heroes’ (NJB), and ‘mighty warriors’ (Moffatt). Given that generally an ‘el’ is a ruler in some sense, and gibbor means strong or mighty, ‘Mighty Ruler’ would be a good choice for the translation of Isaiah 9:6, and that is exactly what the Jews were looking for in their Messiah.” For instance, Gabriel ( /ˈɡeɪbriəl/ ; Hebrew : גַּבְרִיאֵל , lit. 'Gavri'el "God is my strength"', (similar to el gibbor) If U lie say Immanuel na God, U see am say Gabriel na God ! ***Emusan Pharisee ALWAYS argue blindly. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by OnPointMan(m): 3:16pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by OnPointMan(m): 3:21pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
rosy1992: If you follow this thread very well, you will see where i addressed that statement dear. Don't be angry with me ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Nobody: 3:30pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
I served as a soldier before i joined the Jehovah's Witnesses to become a soldier for Christ. Jesus said "by their fruit" Matthew 7:16-17 Certainly Jesus wasn't referring to worthless arguments of no relevance when there are people out there who needed to make changes in the way they think and act! ![]() So instead of just arguing and arguing purposelessly, why not move into action and let all observers SEE what Christianity truly meant in the activities of those claiming CHRISTIANS? ![]() |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Nobody: 3:33pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
OnPointMan: David was likened to Jesus as a king that will conquer all the surrounding enemies of God's people, that's why he{Jesus} was often referred to as "son of David" |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 3:53pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
Emusan: Facts : 1. EL - Gibboa was applied to humans. 2. The exact same El Giboa was applied to The Messiah, an human too 3. Same Hebrew word . That point alone render you clueless 4. To distinguish the Messiahs ( anointed one of God NOT GOD himself] from other EL GIbboas, a different translation was adopted for both IN OTHER LANGUAGES . If Jesus as A Messiah actually meant been Almighty, A Term never applied to any human. El Shaiddai would have been used . 3 Likes |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 4:28pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
Emusan: The congregation in Philadelphia, They are not humans ? ![]()
John 17:24 they will be where I am, to BEHOLD the GLORY you have Given me. which Glory will they behold with him in heaven ? ![]() ![]() ![]()
Read the underlined and ask yourself: Am I equal with someone I myself Give Honor ??
Olodo JatiJati ![]() ![]() Of course all the dead will receive the gift of Immortality Like God . 1 Cor 15:53 ? All the dead will bear the image of the heavenly One , include unrighteous ones ? 1 Corinthians 15:49 Are Abel , Joshua, Noah. born again ? Will he enter the Kingdom of God ? What is born of spirit is Spirit. So the verse address abode of spirits heaven, has nothing to do with Prophecies of the New earth . 2 Pet 3:13, Psalm 37:29
Yes, Just Like faithful men of old
Keep roping yourself. That proves the point. NOT by Mans will/desire, but from God. Emphasis on " Gods children " . contrasted with Giving birth to children by Mans will How is a child born by the will of the flesh ? Through physical human birth ?
Read the highlighted, You DO NOT KNOW where it comes from, You don't know the source , You feel it. Likewise Only God knows the process that makes a person born again, not by the persons determination or knowledge.
it's about the FIRST RESSURECTION The question again: If Jesus was raised in a spiritual body, is he then physical ? Spiritual is defined as that which is opposed to physical. Answer this and your excuse of having a God because he was physical can gently enter the dustbin 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Barristter07: 5:12pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
Beautiful! 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 7:42pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
Barristter07: Was also applied to God, then are you expecting them to have the same meaning? Your ignorance won't allow you to reason.... 3. Same Hebrew word . That point alone render you clueless If it's to distinguish between the Messiah and human, why do you want it to be applied the same way to human and the said Messiah? Wasn't the same word used for Jehovah? When it is used for Jehovah and human, were you expecting it to be translated the same way or carry the same meaning? This exposes your ignorance and dishonesty.... If Jesus as A Messiah actually meant been Almighty, A Term never applied to any human. El Shaiddai would have been used . The same Almighty was applied to Jesus in revelation... Besides, we're talking about Mighty God here, how many Mighty God do you have? Is Jesus a lesser God or a false God? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Emusan(m): 8:27pm On Aug 27, 2019 |
Barristter07: "And to the Angel of the Church in Philadelphia" Anyway, there are many debates on this about the identity of "THE ANGEL" human aren't Angel....but the fact still remains that, it's not a command to worship them but Christ Himself said, He will make them to do it.....and this "THEM" are the synagogue of Satan... Which proof you're wrong. John 17:24 they will be where I am, to BEHOLD the GLORY you have Given me. which Glory will they behold with him in heaven? After I have tutored you, you can still be this clueless... V22 Jesus said "The glory God had GIVEN him, He had given THEM (He's disciples)....grow in wisdom and stop perishing in the ignorance of watchtower. Read the underlined and ask yourself: Am I equal with someone I myself Give Honor ?? It's evident that you cant give a straight answer to my question because you know, it will expose your dishonesty and show how you never obey Christ instruction despite the fact that you claim to love him. That Jehovah witnesses might honour the Son, EVEN AS they honor Jehovah...Jehovah witnesses that honour not the Son honour NOT the Father that sent him. Olodo JatiJati General i mean, no separation! Are Abel , Joshua, Noah. born again ? Will he enter the Kingdom of God ? If they don't born again THEY CAN'T SEE AND ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Your understanding about that verse is too shallowed, do much research on it to under what it says and deliver yourself from the shackles of watchtower. Yes, Just Like faithful men of old This is where I'm going! You want to enter and see the Kingdom of God when you're not a BORN AGAIN. See dubious act, you admitted that only Born Again are going to heaven and according to Jesus in John 3 only BORN AGAIN can see and enter heaven. Yet you claim, you want to see it and even enter! Keep roping yourself. That proves the point. NOT by Mans will/desire, but from God. FLESH AND BLOOD can't enter the kingdom of God....yet your empty brain is still claiming BORN of FLESH....when the scripture openly said, any one who becomes SON OF GOD are not BORN BY THE WILL OF FLESH...truly Jehovah witnesses perversion of the scripture has knows no bound. Born by the WILL of the Flesh means those who failed to be transformed by the Holy Spirit. That's why Apostle Paul says, "walk not after the FLESH, but after the SPIRIT" "For they that are after the FLESH do mind the things of the FLESH; but they that are after the spirit the things of the Spirit" "So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God" Seriously here is the verse that shattered all your ignorances "They which are the CHILDREN OF FLESH, these are not the CHILDREN OF GOD..." The whole message of Christ in John 3 that your organization has mislead you with was summarized by Paul like this "For he that soweth to the Flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption, but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life" Yet you still want to be born by the flesh. Read the highlighted, You DO NOT KNOW where it comes from, You don't know the source , You feel it. Likewise Only God knows the process that makes a person born again, not by the persons determination or knowledge. Will you shut the Bleep up.... Where does the verse say, it's God who chooses those who are born again? also, these the my questions you purposely ignored concerning your organization lies. if you do that again, that's end to my post. Are you baptized by water? Are you begotten by God's spirit? Are all Jehovah witnesses baptized by water and begotten by God's spirit? It's clear that this criteria fits in with whosoever become son of God according to John 1:12 Idiot....so why are you praying for kingdom of God to come if it's just an heavenly access it's about the FIRST RESSURECTION Go and read 1 Corinthian 15 do research about it and after you've fully understand it, then come back here to argue. |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Janosky: 12:48am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Emusan:@1) Eleyi gidigaan of Lie lie Emusan. @2). Desperado clinging on to straws, how many Gods do you have? @3) @ Revelation 3:12 Jesus Christ spoil market for your Trinity. @ Rev 3:12 is solid proof your question dey voicemail... 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God Almighty, David Is The Almighty Too by Janosky: 12:48am On Aug 28, 2019 |
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