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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:39am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Here you go. Del Piero played 5,625 minutes F. Totti played 3,794 minutes. Del Piero played a whopping 1.831 more minutes for the Azzurri than the Golden Boy yet the Golden Boy dwarfs him!!!! So what is your next excuse? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:39am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:It is not matter of ifs and buts. Prime Del Piero led Juve to a Champions League title and 3 CL Finals. Winning highest goalscorer in the competition to boot. And no Ronaldo did not become a bigger demon post injury. In fact bar the 2002 World Cup what other major tournament do you remember Ronaldo dominating? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 12:40am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17: Now saying it was not even close is where you go overboard. Totti lasted longer and was more versatile, and Del Piero had a better peak level. I wouldn’t argue with either personally, but saying Del Piero was better and its not close or Totti was better and its not close is just untrue. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:43am On Aug 28, 2019 |
afrodoc2: Doc, I have not implied that they can not be compared in terms of quality, after all, that is the purpose of this argument. I was speaking about the individual honors posted. Honestly, I don't think it is fair to make this argument by limiting Totti's playing span because Del Piero could not stay healthy. It just uses the weakness of one player to balance/ even out an argument for his cause. More importantly, it makes it seem like Totti never suffered serious career-ending injuries. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:45am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Roland17:Did you miss that part? And the fact that it was post injury Del Piero for majority of those international appearances. 66 of his 91 appearances came after that serious injury |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:49am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: 66 of 91 is 2/3 of his entire appearances. Totti can make a similar argument when you consider he played lesser minutes and was also suffered injuries intermittently. I don't buy this injury argument you guys are coming with. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 12:53am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:71 of those goals came from the penalty spot!!! That's over 36% Del Piero's achievement in elite Europe also significantly dwarfs that of Totti so it's rather convenient that you leave that one out |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 12:55am On Aug 28, 2019 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 12:56am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Baba, first it was the assists were corner kicks and set pieces, now it is 71 of those goals came from PK like Del Piero did not score PKs? Is it Totti's fault that he was skilled in taking these kicks in comparison to Del Piero? But you are quick to mention Del Piero converted his spot-kick but the same can not be argued for Totti? I am not buying all these subjective excuses that can not be also made for the Golden Boy. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 12:57am On Aug 28, 2019 |
SkimpleD:my man Skimple. Always in the spirit. How business these days? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:00am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:No he actually can't. I want you to show me a season where Totti suffered an injury that kept him out from November till the next season before 2006. I'm saying anything you got out of Del Piero after 98 was jara. So for over 66% of his NT career what you were seeing wasn't really prime Del Piero Don't compare to Totti who retired after the 2006 World Cup |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:07am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:But I am stating nothing but facts here. 36% of Totti's goals came from the spot. Del Piero was an equally skilled penalty and free kick specialist as well but the gulf between the difficulty of scoring from a penalty and a free kick is quite significant. The question is in elite Europe why does Totti have absolutely nothing to show at any level. Whether CL, Europa League even Intertoto Cup. And don't tell me it's because he stayed in Roma because nobody send am message |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 1:10am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: All these subjective variables just to favor Del Piero is only making my case. Totti’s injury history shows he was out at different stages in his career and had numerous surgeries so I will not allow you guys define the narrative of this argument based on Del Piero’s injury woes. 07/08 Totti was out for 112 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:16am On Aug 28, 2019 |
chic2pimp:How did Totti have the better tourney in Korea Japan? Is it not the same Totti that was huffing and puffing on the pitch till Del Piero came off the bench to save them from disgrace? How did Alex disappear? He provided the match winner in their only game they won while Totti was spitting on people like a pregnant woman after their opening match. In 06 Totti went to the WC and padded stats against World Cup debutants like Ghana, Ukraine and Czech Republic. Scored a dodgy penalty vs another footballing giant like Australia and that's shining. Okrrrrrrr |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 1:17am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Fa fa fa! Foul!!! Let us debate about their respective records in the Serie A and the Italian National Teams. I have posted their respective records and individual honors up there. When Totti won the golden boot in the Serie A, he also won the Euro golden boot in the process unlike Del Piero. What was the highest number of goal Del Piero scored in a Serie A season in comparison to Del Piero? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 1:27am On Aug 28, 2019 |
It is not Del Piero’s fault that Totti chose to remain with Roma despite offers from the best clubs in the world. So why should Totti be burdened with the fact that Del Piero could not stay healthy? Totti dragged a lowly Roma to 9 2nd place finishes in the Serie A, just think about that. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:28am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:When you win back to back league titles (in what was universally acknowledged as the best league in Europe at the time), win the CL Golden Boot, get to back to back to back CL Finals as the star man of your team and then suffer a devastating injury in your prime then I think the What if scenario is very valid. You still didn't show me the season before that 2006 that Totti suffered any severe injury that would suggest he was a shadow of himself for the most part of his International team career |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 1:31am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Del Piero did not stop playing g football in 2006 did he? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:34am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:Lewwwl why will I debate about the Serie A and Italian NT record alone? Is that the only competition they played? Golden Boot is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It only proves that among all the leagues you scored the most goals. You cannot definitely compare to winning the Champions League Golden Boot. Del Piero scored at least 10 goals for 17 Serie A seasons. That is more relevant than one hot season. Let's not even go to Europe because I know shame for Totti will not let you ageee |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:36am On Aug 28, 2019 |
raumdeuter:E no go better for injury. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:37am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:That's his wahala. The important thing is even with the injury history Del Piero outscored Totti in every competition aside the Serie A. It's nobody's fault that Totti could not make any impact in Europe and lead Roma to even an Intertoto Cup. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:40am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:Ahn ahn why is it so hard for you to show me a severe injury Totti suffered while entering his prime like Del Piero did. You even mentioned Ronaldo but you left out the fact that even he was never quite the same after. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:46am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Kimbeast:It is easier to shine when you're the big fish in a small pond. Who knows what Fabregas's career would look like had he never left Arsenal. You mention team quality but it is players like Del Piero that provided that quality. It's not coincidental that his peak saw Juve as the strongest team in Elite Europe |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 1:55am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Kimbeast:Even the peak of Totti's achievement for the Azzuri this was his opposition USA Ukraine Ghana Czech Republic Australia 3 debutants, and another team that had been absent for 32 years. His production came vs those teams Kimbeast:I have seen enough from Del Piero's prime and even when he was not at his prime he was still able to make important contributions to his team's success. For me there is nothing Totti is doing that Del Piero cannot do if required. Del Piero can play all 3 positions you listed above, was an absolute sniper from free kick range and the much better dribbler. When he was asked to create he led the league in assists The Del Piero winning more titles can only be a negative if he was a passenger for those titles but he absolutely was not so that argument is DOA |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 2:04am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Over the course of the respective careers Totti is the better player, there's really no argument otherwise worth even considering Del Piero in his best season though(97/98) was better than Totti at any point in his career. Though having said that, Del Piero was most likely Doped up to his eyeballs that season. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:15am On Aug 28, 2019 |
This a40 can type everything in the bible within 3hrs. Na this type of guy dey handle woman in the room, like washing machine. They dont have fat at the back of their necks. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 2:16am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Because you chose to exclude the World Cup, Confederation Cup, FIFA player of the year, Balon D’Or and La Liga titles he won win Real. Ronaldo suffered the horrific injury in 1999 in a game against Lecce but some how rehabbed and continued with his greatness post 1999, so what is Del Piero’s own excuse? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 2:20am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Conversely, I will make the argument that Totti played for a team that competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Roma. Totti competed against financial giants like Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan. Roma’s financial clout was not comparable to these teams yet he achieved these records. If roles were switched and Del Piero player for Roma throughout his career and Totti played for Juventus, would Del Piero achieve 2/10 of what Totti achieved with Roma? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 2:54am On Aug 28, 2019 |
A40: Bar the Serie A you said? How about individual records playing for Italy? You only want to mention goals abi? How about assist records between both players where Del Piero’s numbers dwarf Totti’s despite Del Piero having more appearances and minutes played? You want to avoid that one abi? How about Italian player of the year which Totti won 5 times in comparison to Del Piero’s 2. so what is Del Piero’s excuse this time? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 3:12am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:I can also make argument that Wenger competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Wenger. Arsenal didn't have any financial clout compared to United, City and Chelsea so Wenger must be the best coach known to man If roles are reversed I'm sure Del Piero will win more than 3 major titles in 22 years. What we are unsure of though is if Totti who was a local champion at Roma would be able to perform at Juve where the standards and expectations are much higher |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 3:12am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Kimbeast:His goals and all-round performances against elite Europe opposition does not agree with this claim. No credible source has found or indicted Del Piero for any type of dope use so it's better you return that claim to where you found it because it's completely disrespectful to allege a man cheated without verifiable evidence. I'm sure if you were an athlete you will not take kindly to such claims |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 3:22am On Aug 28, 2019 |
Roland17:You can win an award and still not be the same player. Because I know you can't tell me with a straight face that Ronaldo of 96/98 is comparable to what we saw afterwards. The individual awards Ronaldo won was all in one season. He had a great World Cup but if it were now we both know he might not have even won the Balon D'or 5 years at Real. 1 La Liga title, 1 Pichichi, and Intercontinental Cup. How is that one continuation of greatness? |
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