johnw47:

God has taken a people for His name, that people is Israel

1Ki_8:16  Since the day that I brought forth my people Israel out of Egypt, I chose no city out of all the tribes of Israel to build an house, that my name might be therein; but I chose David to be over my people Israel.

Isaiah 43:6-7,
I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

God is called El: "El ohim", "El shaddai"

Israel is called by God's name: "Isra el"

God's Holy Angels are also called by God's name: "Micha el", "Gabri el", "Rapha el", "Uri el"





Jesus is called Christ

Christians are called by Christ's name: "Christ ians"

Act_11:26  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

1Pe_4:14  If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

OnPointMan:


How does this relate to the Op?

Emusan:


Was also applied to God, then are you expecting them to have the same meaning?

Your ignorance won't allow you to reason....



If it's to distinguish between the Messiah and human, why do you want it to be applied the same way to human and the said Messiah?

Wasn't the same word used for Jehovah?

When it is used for Jehovah and human, were you expecting it to be translated the same way or carry the same meaning?

This exposes your ignorance and dishonesty....



The same Almighty was applied to Jesus in revelation...


Besides, we're talking about Mighty God here, how many Mighty God do you have?

Is Jesus a lesser God or a false God?

Preciousgirl:
OK,
Answer my questions too

1. Who in the Bible ever said, if you see me you have seen the father?
2 Who in the Bible ever claimed he and God are one?
3.Who in the Bible was with God in the beginning and was God?
4.Who in the new testament after Jesus ascension was talking with men from heaven
5*Why are Believers commanded to do all things in Jesus name
6Who in the Bible claimed he is the first and the last
7Who is the World waiting to come?
8Who created all things according to the Bible?
9 who in the Bible shared glory with God before the foundations of the World
10 Who was worshipped even when he was a baby
11who in the Bible died and resurrected on his own
12 who died for your sins?
13 Who is Lord of the sabbath?
14 Who sits at the right hand of power?
15At the mention of which name do all knees in heaven and on earth bow?
16 Who walked on the sea in the Bible
17 Which child would be born according to Isaiah 9:6 and would be called Mighty God and Everlasting father?
18 Who else calls himself I AM?
19Who forgives sins?
20 Whose blood redeemed. Man?

I am waiting for your answers

Emusan:


"And to the Angel of the Church in Philadelphia"

Anyway, there are many debates on this about the identity of "THE ANGEL" human aren't Angel ....but the fact still remains that, it's not a command to worship them but Christ Himself said, He will make them to do it..... and this "THEM" are the synagogue of Satan...

Which proof you're wrong.

After I have tutored you, you can still be this clueless...

V22 Jesus said "The glory God had GIVEN him, He had given THEM (He's disciples)....grow in wisdom and stop perishing in the ignorance of watchtower.

It's evident that you cant give a straight answer to my question because you know, it will expose your dishonesty and show how you never obey Christ instruction despite the fact that you claim to love him.

That Jehovah witnesses might honour the Son, EVEN AS they honor Jehovah...Jehovah witnesses that honour not the Son honour NOT the Father that sent him.

General i mean, no separation!

If they don't born again THEY CAN'T SEE AND ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Your understanding about that verse is too shallowed, do much research on it to under what it says and deliver yourself from the shackles of watchtower.

This is where I'm going!

You want to enter and see the Kingdom of God when you're not a BORN AGAIN.

See dubious act, you admitted that only Born Again are going to heaven and according to Jesus in John 3 only BORN AGAIN can see and enter heaven.

Yet you claim, you want to see it and even enter!

Emusan

FLESH AND BLOOD can't enter the kingdom of God....yet your empty brain is still claiming BORN of FLESH....when the scripture openly said, any one who becomes SON OF GOD are not BORN BY THE WILL OF FLESH ...truly Jehovah witnesses perversion of the scripture has knows no bound.

Born by the WILL of the Flesh means those who failed to be transformed by the Holy Spirit.

That's why Apostle Paul says, "walk not after the FLESH, but after the SPIRIT"

"For they that are after the FLESH do mind the things of the FLESH; but they that are after the spirit the things of the Spirit"

"So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God"

Seriously here is the verse that shattered all your ignorances "They which are the CHILDREN OF FLESH, these are not the CHILDREN OF GOD..."


The whole message of Christ in John 3 that your organization has mislead you with was summarized by Paul like this "For he that soweth to the Flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption, but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life"


Yet you still want to be born by the flesh.

At John 3:6 Jesus is saying the same point, Been Born of the Flesh makes you flesh.

Will you shut the Bleep up....

Where does the verse say, it's God who chooses those who are born again?

also, these the my questions you purposely ignored concerning your organization lies. if you do that again, that's end to my post.

Are you baptized by water?

Are you begotten by God's spirit?

Are all Jehovah witnesses baptized by water and begotten by God's spirit?

It's clear that this criteria fits in with whosoever become son of God according to John 1:12

Idiot....so why are you praying for kingdom of God to come if it's just an heavenly access

Go and read 1 Corinthian 15 do research about it and after you've fully understand it, then come back here to argue.

Greatomotoy:

They are the same in hierarchy but different personality Philippians 2:6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
In the beginning God said let 'us' make man in our own image. Who were the "Us" God was referring to?
When Stephen was About to die He saw Jesus at the Right Hand of God, who is that God that Jesus was Standing before?
In the book of Revelation, A lamb(Jesus) opened the seal that was before God... who is that God?
When we get to heaven are we going to see one Entity (Jesus) or 3 Entities ( Trinity)?

Barristter07:
Still the same word with same meaning , but Exclude Jehovah because is the Creator. all others including the Messiah are creations , hence their use of the term has limit just as the different between God and god. Elohim may be applied to others, but it has limits since they are creations

Almighty was never applied to Jesus Christ

Emusan:


@color part says alot about your hypocrisy and beclouded mind....

The content of Isaiah 9:6 alone cannot make a reasonable human to conclude the person El Giboa was applied to should be in the same category with human.



It was....
Now using style to boycott my questions

Is Jesus a lesser God and false God?

How many Mighty God do you have?

Emusan:


@color part says alot about your hypocrisy and beclouded mind....

The content of Isaiah 9:6 alone cannot make a reasonable human to conclude the person El Giboa was applied to should be in the same category with human.

It was....

Now using style to boycott my questions

Is Jesus a lesser God and false God?

How many Mighty God do you have?

Barristter07:


Still the same word with same meaning , but Exclude Jehovah because is the Creator .all others including the Messiah are creations , hence their use of the term has limit just as the different between God and god . Elohim may be applied to others, but it has limits since they are creations



Almighty was never applied to Jesus Christ.

johnw47:


lie lie barrister™, it certainly was:

the previous verses 5,6 and 7 john spoke about Jesus, and then in verse 8 Jesus says:

Rev_1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

^^^ john called the Alpha and Omega(Jesus), the almighty

in verse 11 the Alpha and Omega spoke again
John turned to see Him, he saw Jesus, the Almighty, as in verse 8:

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

OnPointMan:
Many people say today that God begotten son(Jesus) is God Almighty, they argue that the Father and Son are one.

But the Bible made us know that David was God begotten son too. Does this also make David God Almighty?

If not, why not?

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Barristter07:


Emphasis on the highlighted, Now go back to Verse 4 and 5, That person is differentiated from Jesus the Faithful witness

OnPointMan:


Calm down my brother, you are too emotional. Am a Christian too. I just don't believe Jesus is the Almighty. if you think he is, make me understand what i read pls.

johnw47:


you think: "which is and which was", is diffrent to:
Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.?

you think Jesus is not coming?

when john turned to see the Alpha and omega who was speaking, who did he see? Jesus or the Father


lie lie™ barrister


read it again:

the previous verses 5,6 and 7 john spoke about Jesus, and then in verse 8 Jesus says:

Rev_1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

^^^ john called the Alpha and Omega(Jesus), the almighty

in verse 11 the Alpha and Omega spoke again
John turned to see Him, he saw Jesus, the Almighty, as in verse 8:

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

johnw47:


you think: "which is and which was", is diffrent to:
Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.?

you think Jesus is not coming?

when john turned to see the Alpha and omega who was speaking, who did he see? Jesus or the Father



lie lie™ barrister, read it again:

the previous verses 5,6 and 7 john spoke about Jesus, and then in verse 8 Jesus says:

Rev_1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

^^^ john called the Alpha and Omega(Jesus), the almighty

in verse 11 the Alpha and Omega spoke again
John turned to see Him, he saw Jesus, the Almighty, as in verse 8:

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 

Barristter07:

You are mistaken, I didn't think . verse 4 and 5 explains that already

Barristter07:

You are mistaken, I didn't think . verse 4 and 5 explains that already

Emusan:


@color part says alot about your hypocrisy and beclouded mind....

The content of Isaiah 9:6 alone cannot make a reasonable human to conclude the person El Giboa was applied to should be in the same category with human.

Janosky:




** For your information, Johnw lying Pharisee is using a DUBIOUS addition into the KJV , (Revelation 1:11) to prove his FRAUD doctrine.

SOURCE: https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-11.htm

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(11) I am Alpha and Omega.--In this verse
we pass from St. John to Him who was the
Word, of whom St. John gave testimony. He
who is the faithful witness now speaks.
"What thou seest, write," &c. The previous
words, "I am Alpha," &c., are not found in the
best MSS. The words "which are in Asia,"
are also omitted."

Janosky:
@2) In Rev1:8 "the beginning and the ending," were SPURIOUS addition into the Textus Receptus,16th century manuscript for the KJV.

Janosky:
If Johnw had sense nobody needs to tell him that in Rev 1:5,6 Jesus in heaven choose men to serve God his Father., perfect proof Jesus is God's son in heaven. The son can not be "the Almighty" in verse 8 since he is the Son in heaven,.

Janosky:
Then,verse 11, "Alpha and Omega" is a proven FRAUD.

johnw47:





below is a interlinear of rev 1 verse 11, it shows Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the same as the kjv shows

Janosky:

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT

Janosky:
if you bake your bread or cake with broken or dented pan, you must see the dents or defects on your bread or cake.
The final results MUST show the defects..
That is the BEST WAY to explain the FRAUD in the KJV Textus Receptus (TR) manuscript that Johnw lying Pharisee is hiding from everyone reading this thread.

Janosky:
Pls, go ahead and check ALL the different bible translations of Revelation 1:11 on the link below:
SOURCE: https://biblehub.com/
revelation/1-11.htm


** You will discover that the KJV and some few Bibles have the same rendition. They are from the same 16th century TR manuscript.

**The authentic renditions of Revelation 1:11 is NOT from the TR manuscript.
Shalom.

Janosky:
Isaiah9:6, Your "God" is a son "given" by whom?
Lol...

Janosky:

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT if you bake your bread or cake with broken or dented pan, you must see the dents or defects on your bread or cake.
The final results MUST show the defects..
That is the BEST WAY to explain the FRAUD in the KJV Textus Receptus (TR) manuscript that Johnw lying Pharisee is hiding from everyone reading this thread.
Pls, go ahead and check ALL the different bible translations of Revelation 1:11 on the link below:
SOURCE: https://biblehub.com/
revelation/1-11.htm


** You will discover that the KJV and some few Bibles have the same rendition. They are from the same 16th century TR manuscript.

**The authentic renditions of Revelation 1:11 is NOT from the TR manuscript.
Shalom.

Barristter07:
Emphasis on the highlighted, Now go back to Verse 4 and 5, That person is differentiated from Jesus the Faithful witness

Emusan:


Liars everywhere....

Who is coming according to John throughout Revelation

Emusan:


Liars everywhere....

Who is coming according to John throughout Revelation

johnw47:


lie lie™ barrister

you are right about, "i didn't think"

who did john see when he turned to the Alpha and Omega who was speaking, Jesus or the Father?

Maximus69:


When David stood before Goliath, in whose name did he claim to stand?

After reading that story, who do you think actually fought that battle, David or JEHOVAH?

Michael {Jesus} is coming to destroy all the enemies of righteousness but he is not doing this out of his own initiative, the one behind him is JEHOVAH. Daniel 12:1-2
So there's nothing any of those MIGHTY but rebellious spirit sons of God {fallen angels ~demons} can do to the one who is coming in the name of JEHOVAH!

That's why after conquering all the enemies of God, he will subject himself to the one who empowered him with his active force {holy spirit} to destroy powerful spirit beings! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

So John said JEHOVAH is coming to fight his own battle but the one who is standing in his behalf is Michael {the foremost spirit son who came to the earth as Jesus} Compared to Isaiah 11:1-5, Jude 9, Revelation 12:7

Barristter07:


Go and read Revelation 1:4,5. I won't do your homework for you.

johnw47:
who did john see when he turned to the Alpha and Omega who was speaking, Jesus or the Father?