It is a Sin. You guys should keep deceiving yourselves...

Benprass:
Everyone is saying we should not get drunk that is when it is sin

So we can fornicate but not in excess
We can rob, kidnap, kill, destroy,
Etc but not in excess

What is bad is bad even if is small or big.

So because guttony is bad make person no chop food abi? Because love of money is bad, someone should not like money abi? So because u get headache make u now cut of the whole head to end it abi? Reason well

Greatzeus:

Give your life to Christ first and see if you will ever need to ask this question. Most of us are Keen on " I don't do this, I don't do that" see even if you don't drink or smoke but you have not given your life to Christ,it means nothing to God.

What if have given my life to Christ and still drink responsibly.

The problem is most of us do not know the meaning of the word SIN. To first ascertain if alcohol or anything is a sin, we must first know the true definition of the word SIN! Sin according to Google is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law" now take note of these words "transgression against divine law". Now what are the "divine laws"?? It is safe to say divine laws are also the commandments of God! Which we have the 10 commandments for. It is also stated when you go against the 10 commandments of God therefore u have sinned! Last I checked drinking or drunkenness was never part of the 10 commandments/divine laws of God which we were asked to live by. So this in turn means when we drink or get drunk, we didnt at any point go against the 10 commandments (divine laws) of God, therefore we haven't sinned. Summary is DRINKING OR GETTING DRUNK IS NOT A SIN! But being led astray and going against the 10 commandments(divine laws) when drunk, is a SIN and NOT the act of drinking or getting drunk!

newsynews:


Look at this one. It's people like you I hate. You go about with false doctrine and boast as if that is exactly what the Bible teach. You are even subtly telling people to stay away from pastors. Now let's examine your claim.

Which great guys drank alcohol? Perhaps, you think the word wine means alcohol Everytime it is mentioned.

Jesus didn't drink wine, he was only falsely accused of being a drunkard. Let's see the passage clearly.

Luke 7:33-34 King James Version (KJV)
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

John was only eating locust and wild honey, he didn't like normal food. For that, they said he had a devil. Did John have a devil? No. This means he was falsely accused.

Jesus loved normal food and drink etc eater, non-alcoholic wine, but those false accusers called him a glutton and a drunkard. According to you, because those people accused Jesus if drinking alcohol, then it means he use to drink it. Why not also believe it when they said he was a drunkard and a glutton?

To lay with in the Bible means sex
Just like wine means alcoholic drink
Go and do your research. Dont interpret the Bible to suit your philosophies

I'm tired of ready meaningless quotes, do what u think its best for you, it's not that if u don't take alcohol, you are holy.. We all are sinners, so let's continue to take it and ask God for forgiveness if you think it's a sin.. Drops pen

newsynews:


Wine in the Bible are of two types. When the Buble speaks of wine, it does. ot mean only alcoholic wine. The Bible also speaks of non-alcoholic wine which is fruit juice, exactly what Jesus gave at the wedding in Cana.

No man of God or servant of God drank the alcoholic wine. They only drank the wine called fruit juice.

Please point to where as it is written in the Holy Bible where they said non alcoholic wine, fruit juice or juices for drinking...............
I try as much as I can, not to interpret what is not written or giving meaning to that which is not.

I don't even want to quote Saint Paul, where he mentioned the drinking of wine for stomach sake. There is a reason to that and the purpose is still written in same chapter.

How can you say, wine is of 2 types. ........can You please try and read out the history and manufacture of fruit juices.
There's absoluteky no way the Bible will use same name for 2 purposes without explicitly differentiating them.

Jesus practically turned water into wine. And if you read the verses that followed it will tell you what manner of wine it is. Those who were in attendance spoke of it.

maafen:



There is nothing like "Non alcoholic wine" all wines are alcoholic. Those you call non alcoholic are fruit juices.
So if Jesus turned water to wine it's alcoholic and he did it for people to drink not to be stared at or for pigs, it's for humans and he won't do that is it was a sin to drink alcohol.

Let us see if truly all wine mentioned in the Bible are alcoholic. Kindly read the below passage.

John 2:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.


Verse 10 says the bad wine is brought out and served to people after they have WELL DRUNK. The governor of the wedding was surprised that in this case, the good wine was brought out last after people have WELL DRUNK.

To you guys who say it was alcoholic wine that Jesus miraculously gave at the wedding, what you are saying is that when people were totally drunk and wasted, Jesus now gave them MORE. He gave them more so that those who will drive home will have accident.

No buddy, he gave them more fruit juice. Read the passage below which talks about alcoholic wine. Look at how the bi le described it's effect which is exactly how one feels after drinking alcohol


Proverbs 23:31-35
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.


When you say it was alcoholic wine Jesus miraculously turned water into, what you are saying is that Jesus exposed those people to start beholding strange women and say junk as seen in verse 33 above.

Can you now see how wrong you are? The Bible not only kicks against drinking alcohol, it also says we shouldn't look at it as seen in verse 31@bixton @mcval @neddstark

my brother stop it,i repeat stop drinking alcohol to avoid the torment of god,alcohol is a great sin,apart from sin,alcohol causes over 70diseases inspected,please i will beg you to please stop drinking alcohol.

chymes0359:
Good morning Nairalanders ..

Please i want to know your stance on this topic I won't bore you with long epistle write up.

Today is sunday as we all know am a christian and I want to know wether taking alcohol responsiby is a sin.
Am asking because I have this brother from my church telling that its a sin, even when I have not taking it in a way that got me to a stupor..

Waiting for you guys..
Happy Sunday..

from medical view,long intake of alcohol is bad,why not leave it ?, the Bible doesn't says poison is bad so if you like continue to take it

SenatorAiyzik:
The problem is most of us do not know the meaning of the word SIN. To first ascertain if alcohol or anything is a sin, we must first know the true definition of the word SIN! Sin according to Google is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law" now take note of these words "transgression against divine law". Now what are the "divine laws"?? It is safe to say divine laws are also the commandments of God! Which we have the 10 commandments for. It is also stated when you go against the 10 commandments of God therefore u have sinned! Last I checked drinking or drunkenness was never part of the 10 commandments/divine laws of God which we were asked to live by. So this in turn means when we drink or get drunk, we didnt at any point go against the 10 commandments (divine laws) of God, therefore we haven't sinned. Summary is DRINKING OR GETTING DRUNK IS NOT A SIN! But being led astray and going against the 10 commandments(divine laws) when drunk, is a SIN and NOT the act of drinking or getting drunk!

The Holy Bible, Holy Scripture/Scrolls was written first before any dictionary or google.
You cannot use that definition as written in google to define SIN.
Those who read and understand the Bible know their sins and need no one to tell them otherwise.
From the OT, every act against the 10 commandments is sin.
In the NT, the very art of thinking that which bad is sin in itself together with indulging in it.

bixton:



The Holy Bible, Holy Scripture/Scrolls was written first before any dictionary or google.
You cannot use that definition as written in google to define SIN.
Those who read and understand the Bible know their sins and need no one to tell them otherwise.
From the OT, every act against the 10 commandments is sin.
In the NT, the very art of thinking that which bad is sin in itself together with indulging in it.

Oya define sin

flexxyworld:



please kindly educate me on your meaning of *real* Christian. Thanks

A real Christian is one that is filled with the holy spirit. There is a place for the word and another place for the spirit. God is the word. This is why Jesus (the word) needed John the Baptist for impactation (spirit) before he began His Ministry.

Bottom line is no real Christian would sit down to debate the Bible with people who don't have the spirit because most of the time, the things of the spirit usually don't make sense to the common man so an attempt to sit and explain that is a product of idleness and spiritual immaturity.

A real Christian would not be asking whether it is right to smoke, sit in a brothel, or drink at a bar. Such questions are proofs that a man is not born again in the first place. It is the spirit that makes the difference and teaches us all things. Even Satan knows the word more than any mortal but lacks the right spirit to activate the potentials.

While a man with the word is searching the scriptures to justify alcohol intake or premarital sex, a spirit filled man knows too well that even though all things are lawful, not all things are beneficial to him. He also knows too well that ingestion of alcohol or mere buying of illicit drugs or condom at a pharmacy could cause men to fall.

The brother is correct.

newsynews:


Let us see if truly all wine mentioned in the Bible are alcoholic. Kindly read the below passage.

John 2:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.


Verse 10 says the bad wine is brought out and served to people after they have WELL DRUNK. The governor of the wedding was surprised that in this case, the good wine was brought out last after people have WELL DRUNK.

To you guys who say it was alcoholic wine that Jesus miraculously gave at the wedding, what you are saying is that when people were totally drunk and wasted, Jesus now gave them MORE. He gave them more so that those who will drive home will have accident.

No buddy, he gave them more fruit juice. Read the passage below which talks about alcoholic wine. Look at how the bi le described it's effect which is exactly how one feels after drinking alcohol


Proverbs 23:31-35
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.


When you say it was alcoholic wine Jesus miraculously turned water into, what you are saying is that Jesus exposed those people to start beholding strange women and say junk as seen in verse 33 above.

Can you now see how wrong you are? The Bible not only kicks against drinking alcohol, it also says we shouldn't look at it as seen in verse 31@bixton @mcval @neddstark

The Bible kicks against it, YES.
But another thing the Bible kicks against is misinterpretation by anyone.

Now let me give you a simple illustration. I am in no way in support of drinking but that will not make me misinterpret the word as written there.

If by your claim you say, it was fruit juice that they drank at that wedding ......
Have you heard of Gin and Jiuce?
Do you know that if one is already drunk of wine and decides to drink fruit juice of any kind in addition to that, that person is practically doing more harm to himself/herself.....................
You can inquire from anyone who drinks or even a doctor..........


As to that which the man spoke as to the sweetness......
In parties and ceremonies, its mandatory that the best is first served before the inferior.
Now it's my understanding that the wine which Christ gave them is one which is unknown to them. That unknown-ness is in the taste and not whether its alcoholic or not.

9jawitch:
I think it's a sin because too much of everything isn't good, besides over eating too is a sin

omo, checkout reasoning.r u sure u read what u typed b4 posting.Wowen and their fish brains.Na only for sex related mata most of una dey get sense.

newsynews:


Let us see if truly all wine mentioned in the Bible are alcoholic. Kindly read the below passage.

John 2:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.


Verse 10 says the bad wine is brought out and served to people after they have WELL DRUNK. The governor of the wedding was surprised that in this case, the good wine was brought out last after people have WELL DRUNK.

To you guys who say it was alcoholic wine that Jesus miraculously gave at the wedding, what you are saying is that when people were totally drunk and wasted, Jesus now gave them MORE. He gave them more so that those who will drive home will have accident.

No buddy, he gave them more fruit juice. Read the passage below which talks about alcoholic wine. Look at how the bi le described it's effect which is exactly how one feels after drinking alcohol


Proverbs 23:31-35
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.


When you say it was alcoholic wine Jesus miraculously turned water into, what you are saying is that Jesus exposed those people to start beholding strange women and say junk as seen in verse 33 above.

Can you now see how wrong you are? The Bible not only kicks against drinking alcohol, it also says we shouldn't look at it as seen in verse 31@bixton @mcval @neddstark

Stop misinterpreting the verses of the Bible to convince people. I'm a wine distributor and I can tell you that there are various qualities of wine, be it alcoholic or non-alcoholic. There are red wines that really taste bad and there are those that taste very good. like wise the non-alcoholic ones. So when you talk about a good wine it's all about the quality and not the type. I'm a Catholic, we've always used alcoholic red wines for Mass right from the days of St. Peter who was the first Pope. You think the church was wrong to have been using it for Mass? You think you know more than the disciples of Jesus Christ abi? Go and tell your pocket pastor who only knew God yesterday to stop brainwashing you. All these 21st century churches with una over Sabi sef.

But why would even hate anyone?

Anyway to your points,

- Jesus drank wine. Would you really think the Pharisees and Zacheaus specially brewed non-alcoholic wine for Him when he went to their homes? Like for real?

- the early church had communion with alcoholic wine. You cannot dispute that from 1 Cor 11 because these folks were getting drunk in Church and Paul had to curb their excesses

- Jesus said nothing that enters a man defiles the man. Nothing. Alcohol does not defile. Evil and wicked thoughts are the real problems of mankind

newsynews:


Look at this one. It's people like you I hate. You go about with false doctrine and boast as if that is exactly what the Bible teach. You are even subtly telling people to stay away from pastors. Now let's examine your claim.

Which great guys drank alcohol? Perhaps, you think the word wine means alcohol Everytime it is mentioned.

Jesus didn't drink wine, he was only falsely accused of being a drunkard. Let's see the passage clearly.

Luke 7:33-34 King James Version (KJV)
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

John was only eating locust and wild honey, he didn't like normal food. For that, they said he had a devil. Did John have a devil? No. This means he was falsely accused.

Jesus loved normal food and drink etc eater, non-alcoholic wine, but those false accusers called him a glutton and a drunkard. According to you, because those people accused Jesus if drinking alcohol, then it means he use to drink it. Why not also believe it when they said he was a drunkard and a glutton?

Owerri1stSon:

They have non alcoholic wine..

In those days, all alcoholic drinks were referred to as ‘wine’

please keeping petrol/fuel in your kitchen is it a sin or is it against Nigerian law because it is not in our constitution not to do it so it is not wrong, watching blue films or walking around total nakked is it a sin or against d law cos nobody have right to tell me how to walk or control me.if u are a Christian , what was forbidden for a profet in d old testament because they have d spirit of God and now d spirit of God is given to everyone in book of Joel and acts, u are still asking weather it is a sin

silibaba:
Go and read Deuteronomy 14:23-29. You will see that even the money you are giving to pastor as tithe is meant for alcohol/beer/strong drink/wine

thank u

Mcval:
Stop misinterpreting the verses of the Bible to convince people. I'm a wine distributor and I can tell you that there are various qualities of wine, be it alcoholic or non-alcoholic. There are red wines that really taste bad and there are those that taste very good. like wise the non-alcoholic ones. So when you talk about a good wine it's all about the quality and not the type. I'm a Catholic, we've always used alcoholic red wines for Mass right from the days of St. Peter who was the first Pope. You think the church was wrong to have been using it for Mass? You think you know more than the disciples of Jesus Christ abi? Go and tell your pocket pastor who only knew God yesterday to stop brainwashing you. All these 21st century churches with una over Sabi sef.

st Peter was he a catholic? he was a pentecostal ,they were going around speaking in tongues and casting out devils so how are they Catholics if not Pentecostal, d Roman's that used his name to form a church were even idle worshippers during his time

Nbote:
There is not place in d bible alcohol or it's intake is condemned... D bible only clearly condemned drunkenness... D same way it condemned gluttony. Don't let anyone deceive or make U believe otherwise

Ephesians 5:18 'and be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but filled with the spirit's

Proverbs 20:1 'wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise'

Proverbs 31: 4-7: ' it is not for Kings, O Lemuel, it is not for Kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink.
Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgement of any of the afflicted.
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts'

Ecclesiastes 10:17 'blessed art though, O land, when they king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength and nothing fr drunkenness'

Isaiah 5:22 ' woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink'

Bottom line is that people of substance should stay away from strong drink. God even commanded the Levites to stay away from strong drinks and alcohol throughout their generations

Leviticus 10:9 'Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy son's with thee, when ye go into the Tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statue for ever throughout your generations'

And it was kept throughout their generations as recorded in Jeremiah.
Jeremiah 35:6 'but they said, we will drink no wine for jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your son's for ever'

9jawitch:
I think it's a sin because too much of everything isn't good, besides over eating too is a sin

that something isn't good doesn't mean it's bad

Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable.

Alcohol is a sin. The moment you indulge in it, you will find it difficult to resist

Man careful when you make these kind of arguments. Are the 10 commandments the only divine laws. You began well by defining sin, but you fell short by not defining divine or referring to it inappropriately. If you are gonna refer to the 10 commandments, then you have to refer to all the other laws layed down for the isrealites through Moses. Do any of the other laws speak against alcoholism or drunkeness. If not, we have to look at cases of the two and assess their effects. It's entirely at our discretion. There are few examples in the Bible that led to bad consequences-Noah's case for example. It's obvious Alcholism makes you more susceptible to commiting other sins, i.e corrupts your self-control. Given that you are aware of the vulnerability elicited as a result of comsuming excessive alcohol, it's only reasonable to say that it's sinful to take it. If you knowingly put yourself in the position to sin, and you commit a sin, then you are knowingly sinful, even when alcohol makes do things involuntarily.

SenatorAiyzik:
The problem is most of us do not know the meaning of the word SIN. To first ascertain if alcohol or anything is a sin, we must first know the true definition of the word SIN! Sin according to Google is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law" now take note of these words "transgression against divine law". Now what are the "divine laws"?? It is safe to say divine laws are also the commandments of God! Which we have the 10 commandments for. It is also stated when you go against the 10 commandments of God therefore u have sinned! Last I checked drinking or drunkenness was never part of the 10 commandments/divine laws of God which we were asked to live by. So this in turn means when we drink or get drunk, we didnt at any point go against the 10 commandments (divine laws) of God, therefore we haven't sinned. Summary is DRINKING OR GETTING DRUNK IS NOT A SIN! But being led astray and going against the 10 commandments(divine laws) when drunk, is a SIN and NOT the act of drinking or getting drunk!

You would have just typed it in that google search space, and click search.

benji93:
Man careful when you make these kind of arguments. Are the 10 commandments the only divine laws. You began well by defining sin, but you fell short by not defining divine or referring to it inappropriately. If you are gonna refer to the 10 commandments, then you have to refer to all the other laws layed down for the isrealites through Moses. Do any of the other laws speak against alcoholism or drunkeness. If not, we have to look at cases of the two and assess their effects. It's entirely at our discretion. There are few examples in the Bible that led to bad consequences-Noah's case for example. It's obvious Alcholism makes you more susceptible to commiting other sins, i.e corrupts your self-control. Given that you are aware of the vulnerability elicited as a result of comsuming excessive alcohol, it's only reasonable to say that it's sinful to take it. If you knowingly put yourself in the position to sin, and you commit a sin, then you are knowingly sinful, even when alcohol makes do things involuntarily.

Then you obviously didnt read my comment to understand. I stand on the grounds that drinking alcohol isnt a sin, neither is drunkenness a sin, but going astray whilst going against the commandments of God in the name of alcohol is a SIN. The point here is the act of drinking or getting drunk is NOT a sin, but allowing it lead you astray and fall short of God's glory is the sin

Mcval:
Stop misinterpreting the verses of the Bible to convince people. I'm a wine distributor and I can tell you that there are various qualities of wine, be it alcoholic or non-alcoholic. There are red wines that really taste bad and there are those that taste very good. like wise the non-alcoholic ones. So when you talk about a good wine it's all about the quality and not the type. I'm a Catholic, we've always used alcoholic red wines for Mass right from the days of St. Peter who was the first Pope. You think the church was wrong to have been using it for Mass? You think you know more than the disciples of Jesus Christ abi? Go and tell your pocket pastor who only knew God yesterday to stop brainwashing you. All these 21st century churches with una over Sabi sef.

Just shut up already. I didn't even. know I was arguing with a Catholic aka pagan idol worshipper. Who told you Peter was first pope? Who also told you the catholic church is God's church?

Jesus had nothing to do with alcoholic wine. You couldn't dispute my biblically backed up post, hence this nonsense charade of wine distributor and Catholic church.

Emmanuel226:
d bible condemns alcohol, pls check proverbs 31Vs4,revelation 1vs6,revelation 5vs10 and luke 1vs 14-15 tank me later

read proverbs 31vs6-7

rosy1992:
Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable.

Alcohol is a sin. The moment you indulge in it, you will find it difficult to resist

God didn't give Israelites wine in the wilderness but he told them to use their tithe money to buy it in Deuteronomy 14:26.

rosy1992:
Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable.

Alcohol is a sin. The moment you indulge in it, you will find it difficult to resist

Please which Bible translation are you using because I can find some of the quoted words you used in my Hard cover NKJV or soft copy NIV.