searchlight:
When you talk about 2019 election pls narrow it to SW. As for SE and SS power must remain in the north, preferably to a PDP or at least with APC.

I thought the SE is indifferent on who becomes the president come 2023,I thought U guys want Biafra?

candidtalk:


whatever. Do Yorubas hate Igbos or the other way round? Have you seen how your brothers are vowing to support the North just to frustrate Yoruba 2023 ambition? Can you honestly say Kwankwaso or Tambuwal will lead better than Osinbajo, Fashola or Fayemi? If you Igbos, by your own doing, have schemed yourselves out of gaining the support you need to produce the President in 2023 then why not support those who are progressive and liberal in mentality and likely to lead in ways that will impact your drives as a people seeking a level playing field?

You would rather support PDP Northerners who operate in the stratosphere of 'business as usual' politics which will ensure the retention of the status quo you Igbos hate passionately. Continue cutting your nose to spite your face. Yorubas will deliver Nigeria in the end because we will not allow the North to regress us all forever even as we have supported them to show what they can do.

I do not think that the Northerners are as daft as the Igbos think they are.An intelligent people will know when to call it quit.
Let them continue to wail.A Yoruba will become the president in 2023.

harjorlarh:


I thought the SE is indifferent on who becomes the president come 2023,I thought U guys want Biafra?

no now we want to start building bridges just like yorubas did. we have learnt well from Tinubu how to link up with other regions to become politically relevant. We think North needs power at least for 16 year to make sure they defeat boko haram and correct other vices in their region, After all the south has had power for 14 years while the north had it only for 10 year. it is injustice to return power to the south come 2023.

candidtalk:


whatever. Do Yorubas hate Igbos or the other way round? Have you seen how your brothers are vowing to support the North just to frustrate Yoruba 2023 ambition? Can you honestly say Kwankwaso or Tambuwal will lead better than Osinbajo, Fashola or Fayemi? If you Igbos, by your own doing, have schemed yourselves out of gaining the support you need to produce the President in 2023 then why not support those who are progressive and liberal in mentality and likely to lead in ways that will impact your drives as a people seeking a level playing field?

You would rather support PDP Northerners who operate in the stratosphere of 'business as usual' politics which will ensure the retention of the status quo you Igbos hate passionately. Continue cutting your nose to spite your face. Yorubas will deliver Nigeria in the end because we will not allow the North to regress us all forever even as we have supported them to show what they can do.

Just the way you thought an illiterate dullard buhari would outperformed GEJ which made you support him. We have learnt to build bridges to correct pur mistakes come 2019. We are not against SW presidency but we feel the power should remain in the north. If you feel you haven't schemed yourself out of presidency then contest build the whole brides you can and win presidency but for your information we are pitching our tent with the North come 2023.

Stale beer parlor gist

searchlight:
no now we want to start building bridges just like yorubas did. we have learnt well from Tinubu how to link up with other regions to become politically relevant. We think North needs power at least for 16 year to make sure they defeat boko haram and correct other vices in their region, After all the south has had power for 14 years while the north had it only for 10 year. it is injustice to return power to the south come 2023.

Building bridges and ipobians wanted to disgrace Buhari just last week at Japan,you people should be sincere to yourself,the Yoruba people have be aligning themselves politically for 2023 since 2015 and you guys have been threating secession since 2015,so because of 2023 u wanna build bridges??

candidtalk:


Difference between Yoruba and Igbo man. You accept your fate and we influence ours. North can betray Yorubas. Their choice. Rest assured we will act, unlike Igbos, to address the anomaly of the North monopolising power once we are sure this is what they are committed to doing. Right now there is no concrete evidence of the North wanting to do this other than the wailing of the likes of EL Rufai and other flaky characters from the North who are nothing in the grand scheme of things. When the going gets tough then the tough get going.

If north retains power there is absolutely nothing that the SW can do. If I can remember in the first republic when the northern oligarchies caused so many vices in the SW, SW were helpless until Nzogwu acted which out of cawordice from the SW was tagged Igbo coup. I repeat SW can't do a thing if north betray them.

VillagePipu:


Not so, Igbos have no choice in this matter, they MUST support North. Even if the North pushes them away, they have nowhere to go.

yes so long as no Yoruba smell that seat again. You can will all year long Yoruba's won't produce the next president of Nigeria

searchlight:
I trust yorubas. with only their votes they can make Tinubu president

You don't get it do you? Have we told you our votes alone will see a Yoruba man in Aso rock come 2023? No. Our powers of negotiation and bridge-building will. Remember how Igbos spoke as if Yorubas were done and vanquished after GEJ won in 2015 and empowered Igbos everywhere? What did the Yorubas do in response to that and what is the status quo today?

Contrast this to what Igbos have done since losing out in 2015 with 'Azikiwe' Jonathan. You Igbos, a great and major ethnic group in Nigeria, simply constituted yourselves into a nuisance queuing behind a failed london scammer called Kanu instead of adopting strategic and deliberate actions to return you to the forefront of Nigerian politics.

candidtalk:


Difference between Yoruba and Igbo man. You accept your fate and we influence ours. North can betray Yorubas. Their choice. Rest assured we will act, unlike Igbos, to address the anomaly of the North monopolising power once we are sure this is what they are committed to doing. Right now there is no concrete evidence of the North wanting to do this other than the wailing of the likes of EL Rufai and other flaky characters from the North who are nothing in the grand scheme of things. When the going gets tough then the tough get going.

Bro, I am from the north so take this from me. It would take a whole lot of convincing and very very hard work on the likes of Buhari and other northern leaders to convince the northern masses in order to reject a northern muslim candidate in favor of a southern one.

Any slight show of lack of vigour or indifference on Buhari's part will lead to the massive division of northern votes in a 50/50 or in favor of the PDP northern candidate and if then most of the SS/SE vote for PDP, it is a lost battle.

Tinubu cannot rig to his favor in the north. Only Buhari and the APC governors can ensure this happens. So, take this to the bank. If Buhari and the governors do not show 100% full support to Tinubu, Tinubu is going nowhere. Even 50% support will not be enough.

candidtalk:



And the Yorubas don't really care because we are the only ethnic group that keeps evolving politically in Nigeria. The North is still attached to central power because they myopically see this as crucial to their prosperity without realising it is the backward and conservative politics the leaders of the region practice that has condemned them to under-development.

The Igbos are inflexible mentally and cannot focus politically because their national and even world view remains limited to seeking enemies to fight instead of just accepting that politics remain about permanent interest and not permanent friendship or enmity.

The Yorubas are pragmatic and if one door closes we find another to open. DAWN initiative was devised to bypass how the PDP tried to choke the development of the SW under OBJ and then Yar Adua/GEJ. We are not Igbos to shout secession/Biafra alone or Northerners to think we must remain tied to the apron strings of Nigeria forever. We won't accept not being equal stakeholders in Nigeria as Igbos have settled for and we won't subscribe to being unfair to other Nigerians to monopolise the most influential offices in Nigeria for the benefit of ourselves and our 'big men' alone as the North does. Yorubas remain ready for whatever happens because people who seek solutions and progress always will manage to land on their feet whatever the future throws up.

http://dawncommission.org/

In the last administration what was the stake of yorubas in Nigerian political structure?

OfoIgbo:


Did I hear you say FIGHT TO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY WE DIE HERE. We will all experience the result of treachery. The north MUST BE SUPPORTED, if APC fields a Yoruba man.

You are going nowhere, and if we get any of those protests, Igbos will support Operation Python Dance in the SW, if the protest has to do with some warped idea of Yorubas being denied the presidency.

This is what the average yoruba person does not know. The north can never be afraid or shivery of one region.
Only a joint Southern coalition or a joint Southern/Middlebelt coalition against them can send shivers to them. No matter the protests or trouble yoruba people start if they loose 2023 presidency, as long as no other region supports them, they will be immediately silenced by the military.

happney65:


What do you mean by southern unity?Did we have any agreement with anybody to support GEJ mainly because he was from the SS or what are you saying?Abi you were in Kosovo when the SW voted for GEJ in 2011 and two southern states voted for Atiku in 2019 Oyo and Ondo states as against our son that is Vice president

Do you think we the SW play tribal politics?No we dont..We simply play the politics you think is good for us henceforth what Tinubu and co did in 2015 even though it was wrong,he simply did what an average politician would do. abi you wont also do the same.. so when I see you people saying unity and saying the SW betrayed you am like was there an agreement to support GEJ for reelection in 2015 or what?Please dont angry me o

Is it in order if igbos and other south south do the same which Tinubu did in 2015? We want yo come back yo national limelight and supporting an Hausa PDP candidate is the surest bet so stop crying or advise your Yoruba brothers to stop wailing because igbos and SS will give their 80% support to a northern PDP candidate

The North knows the level of their fragility without the Yorubas.. But that doesn't change the fact that their hunger for power won't make them make a costly mistake. But seriously? They know the Yorubas to be very triickish game players, and that's why they won't wanna thread on a fragile terrace. From my own opinion anyways, the North and the West shouldn't be d ones vying for power in 2023, the East deserved it no doubt, but the fact that they don't believe in one Nigeria is warrisome. I can't allow a person who intends to leave my house at any point in time to be my security or guard, my family will be in danger. Wilth time an egg will walk!

OfoIgbo:


For your information, the SS did not lead the nation for up to 8 years, and in fact have never led the nation for up to 8 years, so I will want to know why Yorubas betrayed him in preference for a northerner, who is by far less qualified than GEJ to be the president, and the region that he comes from has monopolised the presidency of Nigeria.
Please give us one of your smart reasons why the above is the case.

The thing is that you people are experts at always rationalising the unrealistic. If you say every Igbo man seeks to destroy Nigeria (which is what I am getting from your above message), what is the SS man guilty of, that caused the SW to betray that southern group. What did the SS president do, that is worse than Fulani terrorists raping and pillaging communities and RUGA proprosal e.t.c.

WHy do you (and possibly your other SW cohorts) see IPOB's deviance as more destructive of Nigeria, than northerners that are supporter of islamic fundamentalist views, Fulani terrorism, RUGA and coastline seizure plans?

I love this your statement, "you people are experts in defending the unrealistic". That is one trait I have observed from them. See how their intellectuals defend the starvation policy of Awo as a humanitarian gesture to end the civil war. They can as well defend infanticide, since "it is a humanitarian gesture to prevent an "innocent" child from facing the hardships of this life"
The same people who are arguing for power in 2023 due to rotation are saying that it should not come to the East who are the only ones who have not benefited from zoning. You can't make this up.

helinues:


Just as 2011 never existed in you people's calendar...

Hahahahhahah

1999 to 2007 has been erased in history where ignos fought for a Yoruba man. pls when are yorubas going to reciprocate that? If yorubas can't reciprocate that and they are not held for it why do you think north can't do same and get away with it?

Ritchiee:


I would love Igbos too to rule but not in 2023 because a lot of Nigerians do not want them now for obvious reasons.
Let us take Nigeria out of this sordid situation or split.
Igbos are very competent but why don´t we give power to the most competent according to the history of Nigeria so as to drive development?.
My twopence,though..

How come the most sophisticated and competent people ruled the ZOO for the longest time since the 4th republic and the ZOO is still regarded by admirers as a shithole?

candidtalk:


Bruv, try to keep up. We are not one way traffic (Biafra or death) like Igbos. I already gave the DAWN initiative as an example of how the Yorubas understand how to be protectionist, within Nigeria, if the overarching conditions call for it. We can be nationalist too if it suits us and the condition of the day show us that this is the way to be.

It is Igbos who are are irrevocably tied to redundant ideology i.e we can only accept Biafra" , when GEJ is out of power, or"we run Nigeria" when Jonathan, Oduah, Anyim et al held sway.

Yorubas understand that, at anytime, we can attempt to mould our land in our own image if others decide to be backward and regressive. America is the perfect example with how some States are so different ideologically and politically you would not think you are in the same nation.

See bro, stop massaging your ego too much. As it stands today, no one single region in Nigeria can stand alone. If the north decides not to support Yoruba in return and unfortunately the Igbos & SS choose to allign with the north, then I bet you, Yorubas cannot do jack.

If yorubas start to protest or attack people in Lagos, trust the Hausa fulani government to use this as their biggest opportunity to destroy Lagos with the military. Afterall, most northerners are not happy that a southern city is the economic heart of the nation. Then watch how they will quickly open up Warri or Calabar or Port harcourt's ports for business to replace that of Lagos instantly.

See, I am from the middlebelt and I know Hausa fulanis like the back of my palm. These people can do anything and when I say anything, I mean absolutely anything, just for them to retain power.

Yorubas should just really pray hard that Hausa fulanis do not betray them and if they do, the Hausas must not notice that they are being supported vehemently by the Igbos & SS. If not, it is finished for Yoruba. And in such a case, civil unrest would be the biggest mistake yorubas will make. It will be their biggest destruction.

Hausa fulanis that I know do not mind jamming the heads of brothers and sisters of the same family against each other just to get their way.

Ritchiee:

I do not think that the Northerners are as daft as the Igbos think they are.An intelligent people will know when to call it quit.
Let them continue to wail.A Yoruba will become the president in 2023.

The argument on Yoruba presidency has been concluded long ago which is that YORUBAS WILL NEVER RULE NIGERIA IN 2023. The argument is if ypeubas will even get the ticket of any major party in 2023

harjorlarh:


Building bridges and ipobians wanted to disgrace Buhari just last week at Japan,you people should be sincere to yourself,the Yoruba people have be aligning themselves politically for 2023 since 2015 and you guys have been threating secession since 2015,so because of 2023 u wanna build bridges??

What about Sowere who want to overthrow buhari? Ipob were just seeking the attention of the president on the current state of things since 2015 but yorubas with their son So were wanted to dethrone buhari. As there are nationalist in yorubaland so also are there in igboland too besides what if we just learnt out lessons? is it too late to learn?

searchlight:
Is it in order if igbos and other south south do the same which Tinubu did in 2015? We want yo come back yo national limelight and supporting an Hausa PDP candidate is the surest bet so stop crying or advise your Yoruba brothers to stop wailing because igbos and SS will give their 80% support to a northern PDP candidate

Yeye.I have asked you were there an agreement to support so so and so person in the 2015 election and the agreement was not abided with?Look let me tell you something you dont know..In democracy majority carries the vote.How many is the voting block of the SS/SE?You mean the SE that did not even come out to vote massively for their son in the last elections?seat down there and be playing ethnic politics.. If the North decides to hand over the APC ticket to a yoruba man come 2023,it is yoruba's that will win except if the north decides otherwise.At least till the 2023,5 Yoruba states will be controlled by the APC

Sit down there playing ethnic politics,If you want to win you go for the jagular..something Tinubu and co did with Buhari even though they knew Buhari was a disaster..

candidtalk:


You don't get it do you? Have we told you our votes alone will see a Yoruba man in Aso rock come 2023? No. Our powers of negotiation and bridge-building will. Remember how Igbos spoke as if Yorubas were done and vanquished after GEJ won in 2015 and empowered Igbos everywhere? What did the Yorubas do in response to that and what is the status quo today?

Contrast this to what Igbos have done since losing out in 2015 with 'Azikiwe' Jonathan. You Igbos, a great and major ethnic group in Nigeria, simply constituted yourselves into a nuisance queuing behind a failed london scammer called Kanu instead of adopting strategic and deliberate actions to return you to the forefront of Nigerian politics.

Igbos has lots of strategies

1-- to support secession and get out of the zoo

2--to support northern PDP candidate in 2023 and get back to national politics.

We hate having our eggs in a be basket

Dagrace01:
The North knows the level of their fragility without the Yorubas.. But that doesn't change the fact that their hunger for power won't make them make a costly mistake. But seriously? They know the Yorubas to be very triickish game players, and that's why they won't wanna thread on a fragile terrace. From my own opinion anyways, the North and the West shouldn't be d ones vying for power in 2023, the East deserved it no doubt, but the fact that they don't believe in one Nigeria is warrisome. I can't allow a person who intends to leave my house at any point in time to be my security or guard, my family will be in danger. Wilth time an egg will walk!

So APC bigwigs in South east are massangers? If Nnamdi kanu says this you will jump out to attack him. Remember sowere just started his and even attempted to overthrow buhari so you mean for that reason Yoruba's shouldn't be trusted with power ?

candidtalk:



Bro, forget the idea that any Yoruba hates Igbos and mean them harm. The reality on the ground does not bear this out and you know it. Our main grouse is that you guys cannot let go of your enmity for Yorubas because you blame us for your loss of the civil war.

The modern Yoruba is no longer willing to be a prisoner to the guilt-tripping your fathers put our fathers through. This is why you mention 'betrayal' daily.

We are not your enemies and mean you no harm. If you wish to continue hating us blindly and trying to frustrate us then carry on. We will break Northern dominance of Nigerian politics without you. That I am sure of. For the Yorubas "where there is a will there is a way".

Nothing is constant in life but change. You Igbos may not believe this but the Yorubas do and this even explain why they voted healthily for Atiku and your Son Obi because many Yorubas felt Buhari and Osinbajo had not done enough and others deserve to be given a chance to show what they can do.

@Bolded. Did I just read what you wrote rightly @the bolded?
Can you tell me how Yorubas intend to break Northern dominance without alliance with any other region?

See, if not for the fact that we middlebelters and northern christians usually vote against the north, no southerner would ever have been able to break the north's domination even if the whole south is united, let alone Yoruba alone.

Yorubas must allign with at least 2 out of the 3 other regions (SS,SE & Middlebelt) in order to even measure up the Hausa fulani votes, cos as it stands today, the core north controls around ⅓ (35%) of Nigeria's votes.

If you think I am saying rubbish, then look at 2011 elections when only the core-north delivered around 13-15 million votes out of the 37 million votes to their candidates (about 40%) while the majority of other Nigerians scrambled for 60%.

Nigeria as it stands today has to have the entire south + the middlebelt united against the core-north to ever stop the core-north's domination. Unless, no magic can happen.

You see how the problem with our leaders. Just less than a month after forming cabinet, this govt is already thinking about who to succeed who. Messed up country.

searchlight:
1999 to 2007 has been erased in history where ignos fought for a Yoruba man. pls when are yorubas going to reciprocate that? If yorubas can't reciprocate that and they are not held for it why do you think north can't do same and get away with it?

Until we have electable and acceptable candidates from Igbo. Or are there any in the past elections?

searchlight:
How come the most sophisticated and competent people ruled the ZOO for the longest time since the 4th republic and the ZOO is still regarded by admirers as a shithole?

Bro, you sound intelligent so stop trying to pretend to miss the obvious because doing so suits your parochial argument. If you understand the 'business as usual' ethos that has ruled/ruined Nigeria since 1999 then you will know immediately that 1999 to 2015 (when GEJ was voted out) was about selecting 'gate keepers' who will keep it business as usual for those who felt Nigeria is their property. It would not have mattered who led Nigeria then, whether Igbo or Yoruba, because administrative talent was not what the PDP wanted but a corrupt pair of hands, wherever those hands may be from, that will keep the riches of Nigeria in the hands of a few.

Things are different now because PDP can now not force nearnderthals Yorubas like OBJ on us any longer and cannot prevent 'loaded' technocrats like Osinbajo, Fashola or Fayemi aspiring for highest office. Igbos like Elumelu or Agbakoba would qualify but you played yourself with running an agenda of hating and fighting others to a standstill. That talk of "what has Yoruba Presidency done for Yorubas" is idiotic because we are all well-educated to know that the wrong Yoruba/Igbo/Hausa/Fulani et al is a waste of time. That was what obtained in the past i.e kingmakers ensuring the worst in every region was empowered (OBJ, GEJ et al) to suit an agenda of continuous looting of our commonwealth.

Non in the group of Osinbajo, Fashola, Fayemi or even Tinubu will fail to move Nigeria forward because they are all progressive men of ideas who will live (work with our corrupt environment) and let live as per delivering progress that will move Nigeria to the next level and take us away from a mono-economy slavishly dependent on oil income alone.

candidtalk:


You don't get it do you? Have we told you our votes alone will see a Yoruba man in Aso rock come 2023? No. Our powers of negotiation and bridge-building will. Remember how Igbos spoke as if Yorubas were done and vanquished after GEJ won in 2015 and empowered Igbos everywhere? What did the Yorubas do in response to that and what is the status quo today?

Contrast this to what Igbos have done since losing out in 2015 with 'Azikiwe' Jonathan. You Igbos, a great and major ethnic group in Nigeria, simply constituted yourselves into a nuisance queuing behind a failed london scammer called Kanu instead of adopting strategic and deliberate actions to return you to the forefront of Nigerian politics.

We got the 2019 PDP VP ticket and were 2. Something million votes away from getting the position of the number 2 man in Nigeria. 2023 we will have another go again and most likely we will be 2nd time lucky

searchlight:
How come the most sophisticated and competent people ruled the ZOO for the longest time since the 4th republic and the ZOO is still regarded by admirers as a shithole?

You know the truth.Stop behaving like an ostrich .

helinues:


Until we have electable and acceptable candidates from Igbo. Or are there any in the past elections?

Bro they exist but Igbos, hateful in the majority and disparaging of Nigeria, have damned those men and women to becoming a wasted generation.

that is to say that,there is nothing for the for the betrayers.this is called-upper cut or real punch.

searchlight:
Is it in order if igbos and other south south do the same which Tinubu did in 2015? We want yo come back yo national limelight and supporting an Hausa PDP candidate is the surest bet so stop crying or advise your Yoruba brothers to stop wailing because igbos and SS will give their 80% support to a northern PDP candidate

This is no news because you will always vote for PDP like zombies even if the candidate is a goat.

In the long run, a Yorubaman will still become the president..