Truthsbitter:
This thread is becoming a cycle of same argument, I got to the 3rd page and was expecting something else but it seem to me something or someone is pulling the profitable discussion of this thread backward...lol

I was born into a christian home, while growing up I believed in Christianity and in God and I worshiped God as Christians do or so I thought.
Up to during my NYSC service year things was not going as I expected and I wasn't feeling the realness of God as I use to hear in churches. All along my years since the time I became a Christian even after giving my life to Jesus and after I had me do water baptism I have never really felt like I knew God personally...I was even speaking in tongues at some point, but no, I needed to know and feel the reality of God the way I understand from the mouth of preachers and other spiritually inclined persons. One day after my nysc year while I was now back at home, with anger and enthusiasm I typed "who or what is God" in my Google search bar for I was no longer sure what to believe anymore, in fact to me it was like I never really believed everything or anything about God. so I became open minded to every kind of teachings about God not just the teachings on Christianity. I became a dangerous seeker and I practiced all alone along as I seek. it was one hell of a journey (it still is sometimes, although the spirit of God is now always there for me and I am aware of this). I passed through the valley of the shadow of death and of madness but because of the mercies of God I survived. Then i met Christ, but not after having a feel of his wounds (just like Thomas the doubter), I believed and got saved. Through the gift of the holy spirit he changed me from the inside even on to manifesting the change on the outside.

Now to me I wouldn't say I truly believed first in God but my doubt just like Thomas got me close enough to feel the wounds of Jesus and I believed, a believe that cannot be shaken because it is now an experience no longer just a believe. on the other hand one could say I had an atom, maybe a muster seed of believe in me that got me searching for proof about the existence of God and the righteousness of his ways.
To me I believe if one is curious enough to search for the proof that God exist and the proof about the workings of God, if one is really almost completely open minded and if one is lucky enough such a person may stumble on the mercies of God at a cost (which may have dangerous experiences or consequences). To me "he that diligently seek shall surely find, for God is always merciful".
I am quite convince that Jesus knows this as also it is in the case of Thomas doubting first and seeking the proof of the resurrection of Christ. That was probably why blessings was pronounced unto those who believe without seeing or experiencing.
But knowing and believing (whether the believing comes before or after the knowing/experience) is a combination that can never be broken as in "nothing can separate us from the love of Christ ". The realness of God becomes undeniable.

This is not an argument.

This indeed is not an argument.

Truthsbitter:

In all honesty, yes (knowing) it reinforced my faith. More like sealed/completed my faith.

Don't mind that guy. He jumps to.knowing and tries to squash believing which in another term is Trust.

He is a New Ager. Eastern Religion things. They pretend like they talk Christ, but at the base, is darkness.

Truthsbitter:

In all honesty, yes (knowing) it reinforced my faith. More like sealed/completed my faith.

It's what I tried to explain to op but which he could not accept. Imagine believing the Lord is ones Shepherd. It just sounds way too unsure and uncertain to me than a person who knows that the Lord is ones Shepherd.

Thanks for the honesty. I agree this thread lost purpose, but at the first page, and not at the third as you found.

Shepherd00:

Don't mind that guy. He jumps to.knowing and tries to squash believing which in another term is Trust.

He is a New Ager. Eastern Religion things. They pretend like they talk Christ, but at the base, is darkness.

Is that your new label for buda, Shepherd?

budaatum:

Is that your new label for buda, Shepherd?

Buda, its obvious you practice New Age but try to fuse it with some aspects of Christianity, just like Abdrushin and his Grail Message. It won't hold. Oil and water doesn't mix well.

Shepherd00:

Buda, its obvious you practice New Age but try to fuse it with some aspects of Christianity, just like Abdrushin and his Grail Message. It won't hold. Oil and water doesn't mix well.

Well, I guess I wouldn't expect any different from you since rather than engage with evidence, you'd rather believe what you make up inside your own head. Go learn some chemistry. It would teach you how to successfully mix oil and water.

Shepherd00:

All this typing? All I needed is for you to say 'I Budaatum was never an atheist and I have never ever malign Jehovah.

Call me Whatever you like, only say what I asked. Me and you are not on the same level, but you've been trying since we met to drag me down to it, but Naaa. go on in you slime, I rise above you each time.

Again, only this, I Budaatum never was an atheist... go ahead.

budaatum:

I buda was an atheist for far longer than you have breathed air!

I buda never maligned Jehovah!

Swing, liar!

Why would I say buda was never an atheist when the truth is I was an atheist? Do you want me tell lies like you do despite the truth being known by just about everyone on here and the evidence existing in my numerous posts?

Shepherd, provide evidence of buda maligning Jehova as you claim, you shameless liar!

budaatum:

Shepherd, you have no shame! You remove links from my post then accuse me of not providing any! And when I accuse you of being dishonest, and claim I say what I never said, you claim I insult you when I'm only stating obvious observations. Or do you seriously think everyone is blind like you and would not see that buda has repeatedly and continously provided links in this thread?


I have a very solid foundation of my faith because I more than believe. I diligently search so that I know.

Whats amusing is that you are arguing with your beliefs, for which you seem to lack a foundation, with me who has checked those beliefs and found the knowledge that underpins those beliefs you hold on to. And in your blindness, you think I am claiming the beliefs are wrong, when my claim is that believing is not as good as knowing.

Maybe if I lay it out for you you'd get it.

Shepherd00: I believe in God.

Budaatum: I know God.

You believe the Lord is your shepherd, while I know I am shepherded by God, would be an example. Surely, you believe because your faith is bigger and you are going to heaven, while mine is a tiny mustard seed and I'm going somewhere else, according to you. Thankfully, it is as is written. "By our fruits are we known".

I suggest you stop worrying what God makes of buda and concern yourself with what God makes of Shepherd. Neither of us would be there helping God judge the other.

for even the bible says "test and see that the lord is good" to believe fire is hot is different than to know its hot. I think thats what the op isnt understanding. What do i know tho.

wickedtuna:
for even the bible says "test and see that the lord is good" to believe fire is hot is different than to know its hot. I think thats what the op isnt understanding. What do i know tho.

Quite a lot wickedtuna, quite a lot you do understand!

budaatum:

Quite a lot wickedtuna, quite a lot you do understand!

"taste" that is my body and blood which is my nature, the Christ conscious nature, the logos that was made flesh by the supreme All so mankind could be saved. But "church going Christians" seem to put that consciousness away and chase "prosperity" please sir can explain why?

wickedtuna:
"taste" that is my body and blood which is my nature, the Christ conscious nature, the logos that was made flesh by the supreme All so mankind could be saved. But "church going Christians" seem to put that consciousness away and chase "prosperity" please sir can explain why?

It is they who lack understanding who seek for wealth that moths eat. The wise store up their's in heaven. But it is not for the poor to have a proper understanding of the meaning of words, so to them is preached the Kingdom of God in a church. The wise will go home and do their homework.

Simple answer, they have not read and understood Scripture. If they had, they would understand that learning is the key to prosperity and would knuckle down and study and learn from every book that God inspired to be written.

wickedtuna:
for even the bible says "test and see that the lord is good" to believe fire is hot is different than to know its hot. I think thats what the op isnt understanding. What do i know tho.

This is not Science where you go into the lab to put experiments t test, this is Christianity.
This following a Spirit. An entity you cannot see or feel. The only way you can know Him enough to follow Him to where He leads, is to first believe that He even exists.

You are told an iron is hot, but you have never seen an iron before. To know it, you wld have to first see it right? Now, the iron is invisible, so you, a material being, cannot see nor touch. How then can you know what an iron is, to know it's hot?

You folks wants to follow Jesus with your senses, but, it won't work. For, "without faith it is impossible to please him: ~~for he that cometh to God must believe that he is~~, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Hebrews 11:6

No one can know God without first believing in Him.
Budaatum is preaching New Age, and t won't cut here.

Shepherd00:

This is not Science where you go into the lab to put experiments t test, this is Christianity.
This following a Spirit. An entity you cannot see or feel. The only way you can know Him enough to follow Him to where He leads, is to first believe that He even exists.

You are told an iron is hot, but you have never seen an iron before. To know it, you wld have to first see it right? Now, the iron is invisible, so you, a material being, cannot see nor touch. How then can you know what an iron is, to know it's hot?

You folks wants to follow Jesus with your senses, but, it won't work. For, "without faith it is impossible to please him: ~~for he that cometh to God must believe that he is~~, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Hebrews 11:6

No one can know God without first believing in Him.
Budaatum is preaching New Age, and t won't cut here.

i get your point sir and the funny thing is we both believe in this same God but your only problem is you restrict God to just an Invincible entity with power, which is also like making an idol of him. But i on the hand dont play by those stereotypes. I see his works,i breathe, thats God, the earth he wonderfully created is full of his goodness, thats also God. Except an iron is red hot or steaming, how can you tell its hot? That i believe and have also seen which in turn means i know God, is that not an added advantage? please pardon my grammar.

wickedtuna:
i get your point sir and the funny thing is we both believe in this same God but your only problem is you restrict God to just an Invincible entity with power, which is also like making an idol of him. But i on the hand dont play by those stereotypes. I see his works,i breathe, thats God, the earth he wonderfully created is full of his goodness, thats also God. Except an iron is red hot or steaming, how can you tell its hot? That i believe and have also seen which in turn means i know God, is that not an added advantage? please pardon my grammar.

Don't you worry about grammar tuna. Your point is understood.

budaatum:

Don't you worry about grammar tuna. Your point is understood.

thanks sir

Pray now with your Heart, Soul, Mind and Strength to God in Jesus Name that you sincerely wish to follow Christ. You will receive The Miracle before you finish praying.

Shepherd00:

For, "without faith it is impossible to please him: ~~for he that cometh to God must believe that he is~~, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Hebrews 11:6

No one can know God without first believing in Him.
Budaatum is preaching New Age, and t won't cut here.

I think you cannot just conceive that others might have journeyed different to you or further than you or faster. From where you are, you think it is you who decides what "cuts" here as if you Shepherd, are the measure of things.

Those who have sought diligently and found, do not believe they will find. Or would you claim I found nothing yet transisted from Atheism?

It is those who are still seeking that believe and hope they will one day find. When you too transist Shepherd, like I have done, or rather, as the Lord God Almighty has made me transist, you too will stop with your believing and instead know that Jesus Christ is indeed Lord.

wickedtuna:
i get your point sir and the funny thing is we both believe in this same God but your only problem is you restrict God to just an Invincible entity with power, which is also like making an idol of him. But i on the hand dont play by those stereotypes. I see his works,i breathe, thats God, the earth he wonderfully created is full of his goodness, thats also God. Except an iron is red hot or steaming, how can you tell its hot? That i believe and have also seen which in turn means i know God, is that not an added advantage? please pardon my grammar.

@the first bolded. You got the whole point wrong. The point here is, How do you know God exists without believing in Him, or in His Words first?

If you follow my premise, I have stated that before you get to know God, Faith that He exists comes first. You cannot know Him without believing in Him first. If you believe in Him, that is, in His Words, He will be the one to grant you illumination, insight or the revelation (what we Christians call Rhema), to know Him. You can't do that the way the people of the world go about it.

You breath that is God? How do you know that? You just got up and know it is God? How can you tell? Can prove it's God?

How do you know He created the earth? You know for a fact that He did? Prove it.

I asked you how you wld know an iron is a metal (in the first place) which has the tendency to be hot if heated if it was Invisible?

Pls address all my points. Thanks.

budaatum:

I think you cannot just conceive that others might have journeyed different to you or further than you or faster. From where you are, you think it is you who decides what "cuts" here as if you Shepherd, are the measure of things.

Those who have sought diligently and found, do not believe they will find. Or would you claim I found nothing yet transisted from Atheism?

It is those who are still seeking that believe and hope they will one day find. When you too transist Shepherd, like I have done, or rather, as the Lord God Almighty has made me transist, you too will stop with your believing and instead know that Jesus Christ is indeed Lord.

Whatever Budaatum, whatever. Of all the scriptures I have posted on this thread, if you had treated a single one of them and by them, proof me wrong, I wld ve taken you seriously, but all you have ever said here are your personal opinions.

What the Word say is what cuts here, not your opinions.

Shepherd00:

Whatever Budaatum, whatever. Of all the scriptures I have posted on this thread, if you had treated a single one of them and by them, proof me wrong, I wld ve taken you seriously, but all you have ever said here are your personal opinions.

What the Word say is what cuts here, not your opinions.

You are a believer of the Word Shepherd, and not one who has any understanding of the Word, so you cannot possibly know what the Word says, as anyone who reads this wonderful thread of yours will always and forever point out to you. I just observe how long it takes before your eyes open and you see.

As to you "taking me serious", not that it matters, but the lenght of this thread is evidence of how serious or not I happen to be to you. But I guess that too would have to be pointed out to you Shepherd.

Shepherd00:

@the first bolded. You got the whole point wrong. The point here is, How do you know God exists without believing in Him, or in His Words first?

If you follow my premise, I have stated that before you get to know God, Faith that He exists comes first. You cannot know Him without believing in Him first. If you believe in Him, that is, in His Words, He will be the one to grant you illumination, insight or the revelation (what we Christians call Rhema), to know Him. You can't do that the way the people of the world go about it.

You breath that is God? How do you know that? You just got up and know it is God? How can you tell? Can prove it's God?

How do you know He created the earth? You know for a fact that He did? Prove it.

I asked you how you wld know an iron is a metal (in the first place) which has the tendency to be hot if heated if it was Invisible?

Pls address all my points. Thanks.

Thank you for explaining further sir. I am also on a learning process and wont claim to speak on what i do not understand fully so pardon me if i make more research on this said topic and then we can discuss further. I am open to learning and i understand your point that belief is the basis to which one seeks knowledge.

wickedtuna:
I am open to learning and i understand your point that belief is the basis to which one seeks knowledge.

Though a theory in education that has held sway for centuries, belief is not the basis of learning, but is actually the basis of ignorance, because once yiu believe, learning actually stops or is built in the foundations of belief instead if the more solid foundation of seeking to understand. We even find the error of this sort of "believing" when we find that those who learn to believe are unable to think critically as those thought to reason do. You might consider Pythagoras Theorem, if you doubt this. Those taught to believe it are ignorant while those who understand it can do stuff with their knowledge of it.

Today, everything you learnt in school is knowledge you did not at first believe, and how could you since you did not even know it, so we taught you it, and I bet over time you found quite a lot of it to be as It was taught and now know, unless you would refuse to use your mind, or believe it, if you have not sought enough.

Quite of lot of us learn by seeking, and not by first believing we have found. And those who believe tend to stop learning because they assume they already know it all.

budaatum:

Though a theory in education that has held sway for centuries, belief is not the basis of learning, but is actually the basis of ignorance, because once yiu believe, learning actually stops or is built in the foundations of belief instead if the more solid foundation of seeking to understand. We even find the error of this sort of "believing" when we find that those who learn to believe are unable to think critically as those thought to reason do. You might consider Pythagoras Theorem, if you doubt this. Those taught to believe it are ignorant while those who understand it can do stuff with their knowledge of it.

Today, everything you learnt in school is knowledge you did not at first believe, and how could you since you did not even know it, so we taught you it, and I bet over time you found quite a lot of it to be as It was taught and now know, unless you would refuse to use your mind, or believe it, if you have not sought enough.

Quite of lot of us learn by seeking, and not by first believing we have found. And those who believe tend to stop learning because they assume they already know it all.

knowledge is truly humbling. Thank you sir...permit me to add

To him who asks, "How can I gain personal knowledge of the higher truths? " the answer must be given, "Begin by making yourself acquainted with what is communicated by others concerning such truths." And should he reply, "I wish to see for myself, I do not wish to know anything about what others have seen," one must answer, "It is in the very assimilating of the communications of others that the first step toward personal knowledge consists." And if he should answer, "Then I am forced to have blind faith to begin with," one can only reply that in regard to something communicated it is not a case of belief or unbelief but merely of an unprejudiced consideration of what one hears. The wise never speaks with the intention of awakening blind faith in what he says. He merely says, "I have experienced this in the higher regions of existence, and I narrate these my experiences." But he knows also that the reception of these experiences by another and the penetrating of his thoughts with such an account are living forces making for spiritual development.

wickedtuna:
knowledge is truly humbling. Thank you sir...permit me to add

To him who asks, "How can I gain personal knowledge of the higher truths? " the answer must be given, "Begin by making yourself acquainted with what is communicated by others concerning such truths." And should he reply, "I wish to see for myself, I do not wish to know anything about what others have seen," one must answer, "It is in the very assimilating of the communications of others that the first step toward personal knowledge consists." And if he should answer, "Then I am forced to have blind faith to begin with," one can only reply that in regard to something communicated it is not a case of belief or unbelief but merely of an unprejudiced consideration of what one hears. The wise never speaks with the intention of awakening blind faith in what he says. He merely says, "I have experienced this in the higher regions of existence, and I narrate these my experiences." But he knows also that the reception of these experiences by another and the penetrating of his thoughts with such an account are living forces making for spiritual development.

You are immensely wise, wickedtuna. Thank you for expressing your living force so very exceptionally well so it penetrates thoughts and makes for spiritual development.

budaatum:

You are immensely wise, wickedtuna. Thank you for expressing your living force so very exceptionally well so it penetrates thoughts and makes for spiritual development.

Thank you so much sir for your kind words, and the wisdom you so effortlessly release. I hope we get to connect so very often sir.

wickedtuna:
Thank you for explaining further sir. I am also on a learning process and wont claim to speak on what i do not understand fully so pardon me if i make more research on this said topic and then we can discuss further. I am open to learning and i understand your point that belief is the basis to which one seeks knowledge.

This scripture is the basic foundation of any mortal who wld walk with Jesus.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God ~~must believe~~ that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

It's not belief, but believe. There's a difference between the two.

When God met Abraham in Ur of Chaldea, and told him to leave his kindred and everything he ever knew to go to the land of Canaan, Abraham never knew if there was a land of Canaan, he just went (believe)

When he got there, he was told he shd count the stars of heaven if he could and that his children shall be like the stars of heaven. Biko, who you be wey your children go plenty like stars? (At 75yrs, he had not had a child) But. he believed.

Sarah was 90yrs old when YHWH said. 'I will return by this time next year and you shall have a Child. She believed.

Elizabeth and Zacharia were old when they were told they wld have John, they believed.

Mary was a virgin when she was told she wld be a mother, she believed.

How did these folks KNOW that these things wld happen without them FIRST (RELIEVING) having faith in him who made them the promises?

Budaatum wants you to follow Jesus in her way not the ways of Jesus.

False teacher.

budaatum:

You are a believer of the Word Shepherd, and not one who has any understanding of the Word, so you cannot possibly know what the Word says, as anyone who reads this wonderful thread of yours will always and forever point out to you. I just observe how long it takes before your eyes open and you see.

As to you "taking me serious", not that it matters, but the lenght of this thread is evidence of how serious or not I happen to be to you. But I guess that too would have to be pointed out to you Shepherd.

Blowing hot air. If only you could blow off the scriptures I posted, then I wld take you seriously, but until then...

Whatever.


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Shepherd00:

This scripture is the basic foundation of any mortal who wld walk with Jesus.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God ~~must believe~~ that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

It's not belief, but believe. There's a difference between the two.

When God met Abraham in Ur of Chaldea, and told him to leave his kindred and everything he ever knew to go to the land of Canaan, Abraham never knew if there was a land of Canaan, he just went (believe)

When he got there, he was told he shd count the stars of heaven if he could and that his children shall be like the stars of heaven. Biko, who you be wey your children go plenty like stars? (At 75yrs, he had not had a child) But. he believed.

Sarah was 90yrs old when YHWH said. 'I will return by this time next year and you shall have a Child. She believed.

Elizabeth and Zacharia were old when they were told they wld have John, they believed.

Mary was a virgin when she was told she wld be a mother, she believed.

How did these folks KNOW that these things wld happen without them FIRST (RELIEVING) having faith in him who made them the promises?

Budaatum wants you to follow Jesus in her way not the ways of Jesus.

False teacher.

But if Abraham didn't hear would he have believed? Lets also remember Abrahams people were idol worshipers but the bible say he was Righteous. So how could he have known theres was Jesus or God? but because he was a righteous man by the contents of his heart and that way God deemed him fit to reveal himself. God will reveal himself to a Muslim as he would a christian or a hindu monk not because of their religious backgrounds but by the content of their hearts. For the eyes are the windows to rhe light and when thine eyes are made one then true knowledge and light comes

Shepherd00:

Budaatum wants you to follow Jesus in her way not the ways of Jesus.

You are Shepherd who herds sheep. I am buda, and not your sheep. And Jesus decides who follows him.

I cleared this up on page 1 but it seems your desire is to repeat the crap you insist on making up in your sheepish head!

budaatum:

First, God never said Romans 1:20, "Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God" said that, and Paul is no different to the Adeboye's of today. You would note how he and James [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=NKJV]argued over faith and works[/url] like Adeboye and TB Joshua might argue over doctrine today.

Second, why, if you think of it, would an Almighty God ask you to have "blind faith" in him? Is there not sufficient evidence for me to see such that my faith need not be of the blind? Or is it that Jesus has not spat on mud and rubbed it in my eyes and cured me of blindness so that I can see? Is God not real that my faith in God should be blind and unseeing?

Third. Our paths are very different. Some might need to believe when they are as child and before they are healed of their blindness, but I was an atheist from birth until Christ spat on mud and rubbed it in my eyes and preached the Gospel to me and I abandoned my childish ways and now see the immense evidence that forms a solid foundation for my own faith. Note that Saul did not believe before journeying near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” I too was an unbelieving atheist persecuting Christ and did not believe before I went seeking, but sought and then saw and now know.

Please know that I speak not that which everyone must "believe", but that which I know and that is required of me. For the blind were not cured of lameness nor did the deaf receive sight, the lame were not cleansed, and the leper did not receive the cure of blindness. Each received what they came looking for then some poor lot, me, got 'taught' and blessed with the ability to comprehend (as much as I do), and unto those who the ability to understand the things of the Kingdom of God has been given, so much more is required.

It is in that light that I tell you what worship means for me. I am very certain that God might be content with the singing of aleluya amen and tithe paying from some, but some like me must go even much further and sell all of our possessions and follow him. It might be my penance for my many years of atheism, the wages of my sinnings, a sin that not everyone has committed, a penance they need not pay. If only I too had just believed without seeing. But for the grace of God go I. Mind though, I blame God for making me an atheist for so long, but He must have His reasons.

budaatum:

You know what, I would not exactly take your word on what is the Gospel of Christ to be honest. Hopefully in time, other's will come share it with you,

I did not tell anybody not to believe Shepherd. I said, believe if you have not yet asked. But if you "Ask it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you and then will you know. God wants powerful people see. Not just sheep to be shepherded!

And I never told anyone not to worship God! To worship God is do my will, to [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12%3A30-31&version=NIV]love[/url] your neighbour and to [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A37-40&version=NKJV]do[/url] unto others as you will have them do unto you, to [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A12-15&version=NIV]forgive[/url] trespasses so that your trespasses can be forgiven, to [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A35-40&version=NIV]feed[/url] the poor and to be “[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A28&version=NIV]be[/url] fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the face of the earth.” I specifically said that anyone who understands this will even beg God to permit them to worship God!

Shepherd00:

This scripture is the basic foundation of any mortal who wld walk with Jesus.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God ~~must believe~~ that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

It's not belief, but believe. There's a difference between the two.

When God met Abraham in Ur of Chaldea, and told him to leave his kindred and everything he ever knew to go to the land of Canaan, Abraham never knew if there was a land of Canaan, he just went (believe)

When he got there, he was told he shd count the stars of heaven if he could and that his children shall be like the stars of heaven. Biko, who you be wey your children go plenty like stars? (At 75yrs, he had not had a child) But. he believed.

Sarah was 90yrs old when YHWH said. 'I will return by this time next year and you shall have a Child. She believed.

Elizabeth and Zacharia were old when they were told they wld have John, they believed.

Mary was a virgin when she was told she wld be a mother, she believed.

How did these folks KNOW that these things wld happen without them FIRST (RELIEVING) having faith in him who made them the promises?

Budaatum wants you to follow Jesus in her way not the ways of Jesus.

False teacher.

i'll also cite another example of why i dont feel its believing rather than to know that is the true way to God. To know God man had to "search his soul" for there the ever present voice of God whispers to our inner conscience telling us whats good from bad. Man is made of pure light, a clean slate so to say when he is born into this world, that is why no matter how hard hearted you are, witnessing the birthing of a child, that overwhelming glory of pure light that envelopes the child will melt any heart. For the kingdom of God are like little children. Sadly when that child is born, a clean slate, perfect representation of the mind of the supreme being the world with its various energies waiting like hungry wolves ready to devour that clean soul with its own teachings and instructions when truly it is that voice deep in our minds that truly guides us to the Light of God and so says the wisdom book of God 1 Corinthians 13:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For you were a child so i wont fault you for following doctrines that will mislead you from finding the light but now you are a man (a thinking man) and should put away those childish thoughts and know that in you is were my temple resides. My brother if you realize this then you will peep into the endless abyss of how wonderful God is you will know that this earth plane is just a place of energies meant to bounce us in an endless stream of back and forth distracting us from our true nature. For if a thief feels his work brings him joy and pleasure let him keep doing it but deep down he knows that voice that always tells him the day of retribution will come. Every man is his own judgment, his salvation or doom. That is why God so loved you he sent his spirit, think of God like that magnificent being, the omnipotent and omnipresent so awesome enough to still be in you in his true nature (lol.wow) and still come through divine birth to still show you that since you dont know my child, i have sent you a way, a salvation. Every wicked man no matter how hard hearted through the course of his life would have also thought of God in his mind but he just chose to seek the paths of those who believe in the doctrines he has been instructed with from his very young age, those man made idols and belief systems designed to kick him off that very narrow path to the kingdom of heaven only you can thread just as a good man who has realized himself and is awake to his true nature by the deep searching of his soul also gets tempted by this enticing systems but he only chooses to ignore and realize God by knowledge in knowing. There is still hope for us all. Thank you sir and parson the grammar as usual.

wickedtuna:
i'll also cite another example of why i dont feel its believing rather than to know that is the true way to God. To know God man had to "search his soul" for there the ever present voice of God whispers to our inner conscience telling us whats good from bad. Man is made of pure light, a clean slate so to say when he is born into this world, that is why no matter how hard hearted you are, witnessing the birthing of a child, that overwhelming glory of pure light that envelopes the child will melt any heart. For the kingdom of God are like little children. Sadly when that child is born, a clean slate, perfect representation of the mind of the supreme being the world with its various energies waiting like hungry wolves ready to devour that clean soul with its own teachings and instructions when truly it is that voice deep in our minds that truly guides us to the Light of God and so says the wisdom book of God 1 Corinthians 13:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For you were a child so i wont fault you for following doctrines that will mislead you from finding the light but now you are a man (a thinking man) and should put away those childish thoughts and know that in you is were my temple resides. My brother if you realize this then you will peep into the endless abyss of how wonderful God is you will know that this earth plane is just a place of energies meant to bounce us in an endless stream of back and forth distracting us from our true nature. For if a thief feels his work brings him joy and pleasure let him keep doing it but deep down he knows that voice that always tells him the day of retribution will come. Every man is his own judgment, his salvation or doom. That is why God so loved you he sent his spirit, think of God like that magnificent being, the omnipotent and omnipresent so awesome enough to still be in you in his true nature (lol.wow) and still come through divine birth to still show you that since you dont know my child, i have sent you a way, a salvation. Every wicked man no matter how hard hearted through the course of his life would have also thought of God in his mind but he just chose to seek the paths of those who believe in the doctrines he has been instructed with from his very young age, those man made idols and belief systems designed to kick him off that very narrow path to the kingdom of heaven only you can thread just as a good man who has realized himself and is awake to his true nature by the deep searching of his soul also gets tempted by this enticing systems but he only chooses to ignore and realize God by knowledge in knowing. There is still hope for us all. Thank you sir and parson the grammar as usual.

Okay guy. Do as you please , for we shall soon die then we shall find out.

Shepherd00:

Okay guy. Do as you please , for we shall soon die then we shall find out.

my brother, we are both running the same race and my wish for you is that you find that same light i seek also. Do not copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.
-Romans 12:2 cheers bro