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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mrvitalis(m): 8:40am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I have |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by chloride6: 8:40am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Will you sharrap... 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Nwanieke(m): 8:40am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Please what is your take on tithing. I was sure blessed by this. Thanks |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:40am On Sep 08, 2019 |
mrvitalis: Go and read the OP. It shows that the strong drink or wine was for God, not you. Don't be a lazy reader |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Nobody: 8:41am On Sep 08, 2019 |
afroxyz:stop wasting your time with a confused individual who has fever of the brain 6 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mekuxiani(m): 8:41am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:if you don't drink alcohol fine stop speaking like an hypocrite there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol just don't get drunk as it is stated in the book of proverbs get your facts right the only people who were not to drink in the old testament were the Kings and Levites you can check it 8 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mrvitalis(m): 8:41am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Jesus ...deut 14 vs 26 ? I dare u to quote the bible word to word and tell me which part said offer to God I dare u quote it 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by victorjoe(m): 8:42am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Not that I am arguing with you o. But if this man de drink am, how your own be. We don't pass this level of Christianity since! 6 Likes
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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:42am On Sep 08, 2019 |
tete7000: What is unclean before God? That is something that makes God hate a man. Since nothing defiles a man, according to you, why not go and drink Sniper tonight as well as you have misconstrued scriptures. 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by helinues: 8:43am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: For what? That I dont know right from left? Sorry I dont do follow follow |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mrvitalis(m): 8:43am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:"Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice." Explain the above 5 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by renewable1(m): 8:44am On Sep 08, 2019 |
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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:44am On Sep 08, 2019 |
mekuxiani: No, the Bible doesn't say we can drink but not get drunk. The Bible says DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT. Proverbs 23:31 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:45am On Sep 08, 2019 |
mrvitalis: Does it say drink? Go back and read the OP. I won't entertain your ignorance anymore. |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by BabaAduras: 8:45am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Chosen1984: It is amazing how some people can peddle stupidity brandishing it truth. This write up a good example of such. Have ever read Deut 14: 22-26? Bible says my people perish because they lack knowledge. 4 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by crazysam001: 8:46am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Chairman panel of judges, happy Sunday 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Neddstark: 8:47am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Everything planted in this world is for us. All that matters is moderation. Even cocaine has its uses. Even food should be taken in moderation. 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by ehirosplusbiz(m): 8:47am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence. 18) Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging. 19) Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages. ... 28) Proverbs 31:6-7 – Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by adanny01(m): 8:47am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You are full of shyt. The first verse you mention mentioned wine. You went ahead ahead to say the wine is fruit juice!!! What is wine? Merriam-Websters 1a : the alcoholic fermented juice of fresh grapes used as a beverage b : wine or a substitute used in Christian communion services 2 : the alcoholic usually fermented juice of a plant product (such as a fruit) used as a beverage blackberry wine 3 : something that invigorates or intoxicates 4 : a dark red Wine is Fermented juice. If it is not fermented, it is just juice so do not turn the bible on its head. The people who translated the bible know what stuff they are talking about. You are decieving yourself and other gullible Christians who are lazy to read and understand the Bible for themselves while waiting for people like you to mislead them with propaganda. Most of the verses up there, you quoted out of context. Proverbs 23: 1When you sit down to eat with a ruler, observe carefully what is before you, 2 and put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite. If you read verse 2 alone, you should have killed yourself by now. Reading verse 2 alone will definitely mean to anyone out of context just like you read verse 31 alone. To understand what a verse is talking about , you need to read the entire chapter. What in this case is the context of chapter 23? The entire chapter is Solomon's advice against overeating, drunkenness etc. It is not a law or a sin to eat food or drink wine. He teaches self control from indulging in excess. Am sure you have never read Bible commentary. 24 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:48am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Nwanieke: Read below. https://www.nairaland.com/4906753/daddy-freeze-liar-tithing-very https://www.nairaland.com/4938431/it-not-law-moses-god |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by samonak(m): 8:49am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Here comes the question: WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT ALCOHOLIC CONSUMPTION? Many religious people believe that God has forbidden any use of alcoholic beverages — that any use of alcohol is wrong and sinful. They claim that the Bible supports this prohibition, just like you claim too. Wine/alcoholic drinks are frequently mentioned in the Bible. If something sinful or beneficial exists about these beverages, then the Bible will show it. What does the Bible really say about wine and alcohol? WINE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine” for Abram and his companions (Genesis 14:18). Since the scriptures was born out of the Jewish context, it is better we consider the "sitz im leben" (life setting or cultural context) of the words of the scriptures in relation to the Jewish culture in order to aid better understanding. In this vein, language comes into play. From the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), the Hebrew word for wine in Genesis 14:18 is "yayin". This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean "FERMENTED WINE", not grape juice as you may think. This same beverage (yayin or alcoholic wine), when used excessively, causes drunkenness. Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage (Genesis 19:30-36), and so did Nabal (1 Samuel 25:36). Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals (Deuteronomy 14:26). In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine (yayin) as a drink offering (Exodus 29:40). These scriptural passages make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine. Naturally fermented wine is between 10 percent and 14 percent alcohol. Higher alcoholic wines are fortified wines. On special occasions, God even allowed use of what is translated as “strong drink.” This term comes from a different Hebrew word — "shekar" — which is used 22 times in the Old Testament, and refers to alcoholic drinks made from dates and other fruit. The Bible says that God gave wine to make men glad (Psalm 104:15). Why have some people turned this blessing of God into a curse? The answer is that many people do not follow God’s instructions. A blessing of wine was prophesied as a heritage to the chosen people in Genesis 27:28: “May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness — an abundance of grain and new wine (tirosh).” The Hebrew word tirosh, meaning “new wine”. People sometimes conclude that this word means grape juice, or fresh-pressed juice of the vine. However, Hosea 4:11 states: “Old wine (yayin) and new wine (tirosh) take away their understanding." Grape-juice do not possess this effect. Put differently, Tirosh is an intoxicating wine if used in excess. Having journeyed through the Old Testament, let us take a look at the new Testament. WINE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT While the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament on the other hand was entirely written in Greek. Hence, we shall focus our mind on the Greek language in which the New testament was written. John the Baptist did not drink wine (oinos in the Greek) or any other form of alcohol because it was prophesied that he wouldn’t (Luke 1:15). However, Jesus Christ drank oinos (wine) (cf. Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34). Jesus did not preach against the use of wine; instead he drank like most other Jews of his day. He drank wine in moderation. In ancient times it was normally diluted with water for drinking, and was one of the principal beverages at that time — as it is today. According to the Greek Bible, Jesus’ first miracle was to change water into wine (oinos) NOT grape juice. Some people who preach total abstinence claim that this miracle was to turn water into grape juice. LOL… This is because, they tend to interpret the Scriptures based on their "myopic understanding". Can you imagine a Jewish wedding banquet where everyone drank only grape juice?! (which is very difficult to imagine). The ancients did not have refrigeration or any other method of preventing grape juice from fermenting. On this occasion, Christ turned six jars of 20 or 30 gallons each into wine (oinos). This was no small miracle. This wine was of the finest quality — “You have saved the best wine till now” (John 2:10). At wedding feasts, the hosts normally started with the best wine, and they would bring out lesser-quality wines later. Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos (alcoholic wine) in Matthew 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine could burst an old skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin. Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Do not get drunk on wine (oinos)” (Ephesians 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine (oinos) because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses” (1 Timothy 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems. Some of the Corinthian Christians were getting drunk at the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:21). They were using fermented wine, following the example that Christ had set for them. Paul did not tell them that they were using the wrong kind of wine. He simply told them to eat and drink at home, and to participate in the Lord’s Supper in a respectful way. In Romans 14:21, Paul says that it is good not to drink wine or eat meat if it offends a weak brother. He is referring to fermented wine; grape juice wouldn’t offend anyone. The implication is that there’s nothing wrong with the wine in itself, except when it is abused. However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol, like the beer Pope Benedict XVI (emeritus) drank on his 90th birthday. Alcohol, consumed in moderation, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of alcohol in moderation is a matter of CHRISTIAN FREEDOM. If you're weak, then do not consider drinking it. Drunkenness and addiction are sinful; and this is exactly what the Bible condemns. Above all, I am not proposing that alcohol must be consumed by all; if you maintain that intake of alcohol is bad for you, ok! That is simply your opinion; as pointed out, It is a matter of "Christian Freedom", hence, do not look with disdain on someone who consumes alcohol in moderation or consider him/her a sinner. Besides, not only excessive intake of alcohol is a sin, the bible also condemns gluttony (such as excessive intake of food etc.) Hence, if you consume an excessive amount of soft drinks or other foods, it is also a sin! 23 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mrvitalis(m): 8:49am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Lol did it say dont drink it ? 12 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by nams77: 8:49am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Buliwyf:Beautiful assertion! I was hoping someone will come from this angle. If you study history, even in belshazzar's story during Daniel era, they were drinking alcoholic beverage. David did same Like the person i quoted opined, u just can't store non- alcoholic juices and expect it not to be fermented the next day. There was no fridge/ nstural preservative. Now to the op. Al baghaddi. I like you zeal but i must tell you the truth. Try and carry out this experiment. Get corn, millets. Crush it and mix it with water then filter out the crushed millet. Allow the water to stay for days. You have prepared for your self a local brew. Alternatively, squeeze pineapple and extract the juice. Keep the juice extract in room temperature for days and you will find out it has become fermented. The difference is that you used wild micro-organisms in an uncontrolled environment. There are specific yeast for these jobs. They are called Saccharomyce cerevisae and Saccharomyce carlbengesis.( top and bottom fermenters) i hope i got those spelling right. Its been long Now to Jesus turning water to wine which you quoted up there. Jesus actually gave them alcoholic wine. It will surprise you Now in the custom of the Jews, in most ceremonies, they bring out the best brewed wines. When the guest has become inebriated(drunk) and can no longer tell the difference, then the cheap and badly brewed wines are brought. The guests are already drunk and can't tell the difference and wouldn't mind . its like ur analogy up there about when someone is drunk and begin to see an ugly woman as desirable. Its shocking but thats the truth Things have changed and christianity has become refined. Drinking alcoholic wine per se is not sin. It is when you are drunk, that's when it becomes an issue because you can't make sound judgment in that state. I will still advice a christian not to drink 12 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by groovie(m): 8:50am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Op calling people "daft" is not exactly christlike. Not a good example. You are just making postulations. Be drunk with the HolySpirit though and he will intimate you on His position about alcohol 12 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Nobody: 8:52am On Sep 08, 2019 |
Fanatics, bible in head , no sense. 7 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:52am On Sep 08, 2019 |
adanny01: Before Merriem-Websters was born, we ready had the book of Isaiah. The book says wine since that thing found in the cluster of grapes. The juice in grapes is wine. It is when Yeats is added that it becomes alcoholic wine. Isaiah 65:8 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by BabaIbo: 8:52am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Reply Tete7000 quote... alBHAGDADI are you avoiding tete7000 quote? 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by alBHAGDADI: 8:53am On Sep 08, 2019 |
groovie: Are they not daft? How else do you qualify people who failed to read the OP to see what it's saying but chose to speak against it? |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by TVSA: 8:54am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: I've heard something new today. Someone can be drunk on fruit juice? Do you know the meaning of to be drunk on something? Drunk verb past participle of drink. adjective affected by alcohol to the extent of losing control of one's faculties or behaviour. "he was so drunk he lurched from wall to wall" synonyms: intoxicated, inebriated, drunken, befuddled, incapable, tipsy, the worse for drink, under the influence. You talked of English when you don't understand simple English or you're playing dumb to win an argument , there's a difference between "drunk" as a verb and as a noun or adjective. When I say I've drunk fruit juice, it's different from I'm drunk of fruit juice. To be drunk of fruit juice doesn't even make sense. Drunk as a noun or an adjective means to be intoxicated. You even said you can be drunk on water? English dey hard you? You can't be drunk on anything that's not intoxicating. Stop murdering English language. I explained English, you played dumb not to know, I quoted original Greek, you discarded it as false. What else do you want? 21 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Jones4190(m): 8:55am On Sep 08, 2019 |
1 Timothy 3:8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued or given to much wine or greedy for money. 1 Timothy 5: 23 Drink no longer water only, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent illnesses. The above statement highlighted my comment, Christian is so simple but religious leaders make it look complicated, first the bible did not said we should not take alcohol but we should not take it in excess, second the same pastor that said we should not take alcohol indirectly task it through consumption of food. e.g you can't prepared birthday cake without putting alcohol or even bread which most of them use as holy communion. Even Jesus turn water into wine, the bible didn't tell us the types of wine it is but we can get a clear picture of it when Jesus and his disciple dine with Zachary the tax collector ( a sinner) what do you expect a sinner to have for visitor? 5 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by BRASH: 8:55am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:if it was fruit juice that paul was talking about, why did he have to emphasize it as if it was a fibidden thing? If it was juice which according to u was a common thing, don't u think timothy didn't need paul to tell him to drink what he has been drinking already? 5 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by silverlord(m): 8:56am On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: guess you can also be intoxicated by water too. You need Google more than I do. ....and whenever you come down from that high mountain you placed yourself, do use your dictionary please. 15 Likes 1 Share |
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