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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by tylann: 12:43pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
theenchanter: Kenya is not under UN food programme boy and stop your lies I can show you the most recent boko haram attacks in Nigeria like this one which happened recently https://www.google.com/url?q=https://thedefensepost.com/2019/09/07/nigerian-soldier-killed-ambush-kamuya-borno-iswap/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiU--us1MPkAhUI1eAKHSamBTYQ0PADMAt6BAgDEAI&usg=AOvVaw2vI2PF2WhunXwt0yLhi9Ab boko haram attacks happen weekly in Nigeria https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/calls-urgent-action-violence-nigeria-190902185909859.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj15KHm1MPkAhVx1-AKHfkWAhIQ0PADMA16BAgEEAo&usg=AOvVaw3l5vi6G_P-Zrj_f0Y1wqrd 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by tylann: 12:45pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182: that is what iam talking about right on point |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 12:54pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:when it comes to drug dealing and weapons . west africa run a very intelligent and a well developed business transaction. you may never be able to trace the source.( many West Africa politicians are stupidly rich thru this) .West Africa is a leading transit-point for smuggling cocaine to Europe in Africa. this is even known globally. the real Nigerians drug dealers are Hausa/fulani and are highly connected politically( many Nigerians are not even aware, they blame the igbos who are mostly at the last bottom chain). you may never trace the original source becuse of the complicated buisness chain . in Ghana, it is rumoured to be one of the avenue a whole political party makes her money . (NPP). 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 12:57pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
tylann:u're not sound. When i talk of boko haram attack, i'm talking of boko haram attacking civilians. U're not intelligent. Attack between Army and boko haram is not what i'm talking about and it doesn't even happen every week. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 1:00pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
vaxx:u're not even making sense. West africa doesnt even match east or southern africa in drug biz.... hausa/fulani that are d most laid back people in nigeria is who u're accusing of drug biz? Just talk about ghana and leave hausas out of drug jare. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 1:05pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
DEA and European Drug authority would long have identified them. Nigerians are drug pushers all over the world. That is not in dispute. But they are not drug lords or kingpins. It's probably true - that some cocaine from South America - ends up in Europe via West Africa - but I think it's mostly the few satchet that Nigerian mules carry - most of the rest definitely go directly from South America via their agricultural exports. In kenya - mombasa - there have been a lot of seizures of tonnes of mostly heroine worth serious money - Mombasa is basically a transit point for drugs from Afghan & Pakistani - they continue either on ships/boats - or on air to europe (via kenya flowers, vegies) or overland - these are not small quantities...these are large consignment. Majority of kenya drug pins own port/airport cargo handling/companies which export stuff/ - and thanks to kenya corruption - have bought everyone. I think one of largest drug seizures in Kenya was 2004 - 1 tonne of cocaine - the largest haul in Africa!!! vaxx: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:10pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
theenchanter:That is how you guys have been fooled. who ever tells you Hausa/fulani are the most laid back in Nigeria are simply clever by half. you hardly known what is even going in your country. the largest cocaine transaction burst happens in west africa. it is known case that west africa is the major drug transaction point in Africa to europe. the hausa/ fulani have judiciously make use of their political power and first exposure to education to make this dealing more sophisticated. you hardly trace them |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 1:14pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
Yes look like Gambia & Cape verde are now the major transit point for South American drug lords. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-13/record-cocaine-busts-mark-west-africa-s-comeback-as-transit-hub vaxx: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:15pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:No. the current seizure of largest cocaine burst happens in west africa just this year. it is a complicated buisness in west Africa . you can only identify those in the bottom lader not the source themselves. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 1:16pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 1:18pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
vaxx:i hear u but u're inherently incorrect. Lest i forget, lemme reiterate that south africa is the main transaction point in africa to europe. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:22pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
theenchanter:You don't have to quote me for this. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:23pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
theenchanter:the last sentence is factually incorrect by the recorded data available . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_trade_in_West_Africa
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 1:24pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
But if Nigerians were involved beyond pushing drugs on the streets they would be known. The drug money is hard to hide. It a lot of wealth. Kenyan's Harun Mwau who is definitely the alpha of kenya drug lords...had invested nearly a billion dollars in US alone. In kenya he owns lots of properties...either directly or thro proxies. vaxx: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:35pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:You may need to visit Nigeria north friend. there are many so called individual political buisness men that are richer than some smaller country . this is not a joke bro. the money is hidden under the political banner so it is impossible to link those men into drug. they have farms and cattle to cover up alongside the political post they hold. in Ghana a whole MP was busted ( Eric amoateng ) |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 1:35pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
vaxx:don't get me wrong, i'm not saying drug trade doesn't run in w.Africa, i'm saying south africa; as a country is d largest market for drugs in africa and also a drug exit point from africa to europe. I've once read somewhere that most drugs come from middle east into africa through eastearn coast, most are going to south africa, one-third is consumed in south africa and d remaning transported to europe. If u check south africa drug stats, u'll be shocked... west africa may trade in drug but south africa is d capo di capi. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 1:45pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
I don't think you understand the kind of drug money we are talking about - cattle , farms, and mere mp. Let me give you an example of kenya drug lord - Humprey Kariuki - he owns companies from Kenya to South Africa. Humphrey Kariuki Ndegwa is one of Kenya’s most storied, yet elusive businessmen. Over the last three decades, Ndegwa, 60, has quietly built his company, the Janus Continental Group, into one of East Africa’s largest conglomerates while staying away from the limelight. Modest in his personal life, calm in his demeanor, but audacious in business, Ndegwa has built a business conglomerate that includes The Hub - a premier shopping mall located in the beautiful leafy suburbs of Karen in Nairobi; Africa Spirits, Kenya’s leading manufacturer of Alcoholic beverages; Dalbit Petroleum, one of the largest oil distributors in East and Southern Africa, and Great Lakes Africa Energy, a U.K-based company that is a developer and operator of power projects in Southern Africa. These businesses collectively employ more than 3,000 Kenyans and foreign nationals. Ndegwa is also the owner of the 5-star Fairmont Mount Kenya Safari Club, and the neighboring Mount Kenya Wildlife Conservancy and Animal Orphanage. Since acquiring the Animal Orphanage from its American owners years ago, Ndegwa has spent a fortune providing shelter and professional care to orphaned, injured, neglected, abused or frightened wild animals, with the goal to releasing them back into the wild where they belong. The HUB FairMount. Private jets vaxx: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:48pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
theenchanter:I actually don't think so. for example,base on Africa Economic Institute, it is reported that value of illicit drug smuggling in Guinea-Bissau is almost twice the value of the country's GDP. you can just imagine. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 1:51pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:Nigeria political buisness men are running billions of dollars. i actually doubt that in kenya. Nigeria is notoriously known for rich politicians. they are rumoured news that some nigerians politicians are even richer than dangote. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 1:57pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
Now you're jumping into politicians - Kenya politician are equally as corrupt as Nigerians. I am talking international drug lords - Humprey Kariuki pretend to be a businessman - but he is mostly a drug king pin. Many kenya drug lords are also politician- like current Mombasa & Nairobi Governors. Nairobi governor - Mike Sonko - another drug kingpin [img]https://3.bp..com/-ufXZByHuNqg/Wf8w8DLtsDI/AAAAAAABee0/1EjkaNupqKs6wm_BXtjLNI2PR4zXF2fgACLcBGAs/s1600/PHOTO%2B2.jpg[/img]\ Mombasa governor - Hassan Joho - another drug kingpin Former Kiambu governor - Kabogo - a well known drug lord vaxx: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 2:01pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
vaxx:and that of south africa? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 2:04pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
vaxx:no nigerian politician is richer than dangote. No nigerian politician has a case of drug deals. No nigeriam politician is worth billions of dollar. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 2:05pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:Drug is run by cartel. this cartel in west africa are run by people who are connected to the seat of power. ordinary Nigerians are those who are arrested daily or busted by international media . you know what, i am laughing when you are about to compare Nigeria notoriously rich politicians to Kenya. let's just forget bro. you are showing me helicopter. when a former state governor owns a ship |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 2:12pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
I see you ran into politics. I think you don't know kenya . Let me tell you Kenya and Nigeria are twins when it come to corruption. For example Kenya first president - Jomo Kenyatta - the father of current president - is definitely the richest man in Africa - if you go by land holdings alone. 2nd president Moi is definitely top 3 or 5 in wealth in entire Africa. Kenya is a thriving swamp of corruption and drug dealing. Kenyatta land holdings alone....the first 3 are within Nairobi Metro - where an acre of land is something else.Just imagine owning 50,000 acres in or near a city like Nairobi 10, 000 acre Gichea Farm in Gatundu. 5, 000 acres in Thika. 9,000 acres in Kasarani Mwiki 5, 000-acre Muthaita Farm 24, 000 acres in Taveta 50, 000 acres in Taita, 29, 000 acres in Kahawa Sukari along Thika Superhighway 10, 000-acre ranch in Naivasha 52,000-acre farm in Nakuru 10, 000 acres in Rumuruti 40,000 acres in Endebes in the Rift Valley The extended Kenyatta family own 500,0000 acres of land in Kenya. vaxx: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 2:18pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
theenchanter:Yes that is the point . it is strong and a developed business. you can't even know the cartel exist. you think all those rich politicians made their money off goverment purse? . well on the case of drug dealings. bola tinubu case was well known but not fully successful . many Nigerians politicans are worth billions of dollars.. politicians buisness life are not available on the media. but a reasonable individual who understand Nigeria operative buisness channel understand. many oil well are allocated to some of them. some of them them have a high stake in one of the most profiting buisness in Nigeria and others. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 2:26pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:lol..... Africa is corrupt i know. but Nigeria is notoriously corrupt. I am not hidding under politicians. the politicians are the best I can say on this note . you are of the opinion that Nigerians don't run drug dealings and I said it is because of the complicated buisness channel in Nigeria that is not made available to the public unlike kenya. the notoriously rich Hausa/ fulani made money thru many ways . they made use of their diplomatic power judiciously. have you heard of obasonjo farms? I doubt no. the same obasonjo have similar land size in benin republic ( his mother country) and so it is the former vice president of obasonjo ( muhamadu atiku). go check obasonjo farms . he has farms across Nigeria... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 2:47pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
I know of Obasanjo chicken farm. That is very small . Kenya and Nigeria are twin in corruption. I think Gen Sani Abacha basically outdid everyone Let me explain to you how Kenya political class made their money. 1963 - Kenya was direct/crown colony - like Zimbabwe and South Africa. British - basically owned all the good lands - more than 3-5m hectares of prime land. British left - in haste - because the bloody armed struggle - they run to Zim & South Africa & back to England - and all tha land was left for gov of kenya to dish. Kenyatta and others - basically took as much land. Kenyatta grabbed 0.5M hectares. The rest took anythin from 10k-100K acres There is nothing like that in Africa - maybe Mugabe half-hearted seizure or a few in South Africa. The next corruption happened in 1973 - when Kenya gov allowed civil servants to own business and companies. vaxx: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 2:54pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:No you don't know about obasonjo farm? obasonjo produce nearly everything produce in west african soil. both crops and animal. obasonjo in ota farm alone cover over 30 thousand hecters of land . not to talk of the one in oyo state and cross river. You are talking about a family business. I am giving you a glimpse of a single individual land belonging to a single person. sani abaccha is just fortunate becuse of the oil price then. the oil was well priced during his regime . there is a research conducted by Harvard university on failed state using Nigeria as a case study. i will advise you to download the pdf to get a glimpse of how Nigeria is notoriously corrupt 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 3:10pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
Just put down the acreage of Obasanjo farm. I bet the land Kenyatta own in Nairobi alone - is twice what Obasanjo chicken farm does. vaxx: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Stevoh18: 3:36pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182: Horrible, I think Jaramogi was the best person to lead Kenya at that time |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 3:38pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
TayserMahri: Well well. There is a lot of bars (booze) in algiers and all big cities , there is alcool stores and clubbing too . its only forbidden to drink in public places , and sukhoi's above our head and military drills in capital skies seriously ? . even in independence day there is no parade and military drill like most countries do 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 3:45pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
rvp20182:I am not his manager but available source. his ota farm is among the largest farm in nigeria and the single owned individual farm probably in west africa. it is worth about 30 thousand hecters of land . and that is in ogun state. based on another cited Nigeria paper. his cross river farm is around 10 thousand hecters. and rhey are still others in oyo state , kaduna and many location of ogun state. At 2017, his farm alone employ about 5500 people directly. |
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