Melvyn11:

How many trophies has klopp won at Liverpool? What's the difference between klopp 4 yes at Liverpool and Di Mateo 4 months at Chelsea.

Di Matteo won two trophies, what happened the next season?

kendrick93:


ehm he was sacked at Liverpool, inter Milan and did an OK job at chelsea..
didn't qualify for the CL through out his time at Napoli.
That's wasn't benitez at his best imo..
peak benitez was winning la Liga titles with valencia and delivering tactical masterclass in Europe at Liverpool..
It was a shock madrid went for him as at that point.
Put Klopp in this madrid team with all their resources and he will win the CL easily

This is revisionism. As at 2009, did anyone say Benitez was past his peak? everyone was swearing that he will walk into any club and perform, He walked into Inter and failed, Walked into Madrid and failed

This statement below "Put Klopp in this madrid team with all their resources and he will win the CL easily" was what they said about Benitez in 2009 until it happened and we saw how it panned out

"Put Benitez in this madrid team with all their resources and he will win the CL easily"

kendrick93:
stop being dishonest.
madrid starting xi that day-
navas,ramos,varane,marcelo,kroos,caseimeiro,modric,ronaldo,benz,isco

Liverpool-karius,lovren,vandjik,robertson,taa,gini, Henderson, salah/lallana, mane and firmino..

Take a look at the quality disparity between both sides and be honest with yourself

All I care about is the amount used in assembling both teams and Liverpool came on top. So the argument of being underdogs is dead.

raumdeuter:


This is revisionism. As at 2009, did anyone say Benitez was past his peak? everyone was swearing that he will walk into any club and perform, He walked into Inter and failed, Walked into Madrid and failed

This statement below "Put Klopp in this madrid team with all their resources and he will win the CL easily" was what was said about Benitez in 2009 until it happened and we saw how it panned out

"Put Benitez in this madrid team with all their resources and he will win the CL easily"

did madrid hire benitez in 2009 or 2015?
benitez has shown he wasn't at his. best prior to that madrid move
due to his stints at inter,napoli and co

raumdeuter:


Is it the same Klopp who failed to get Dortmund into round of 16 lost to Marseille? and even flirted with relegation at some time?

After your club cherry picked Gotze and Lewandowski?

DExponential:

Di Matteo won two trophies, what happened the next season?

He did exactly what klopp did in less than 6 months not 4 yrs without breaking any transfer record so tell me what exactly is klopp Praised for?

DExponential:

Di Matteo won two trophies, what happened the next season?

Klopp has spent how many yrs before he started winning trophies? DiMatteo won in 4months. Maybe if Dimatteo also spent 4yrs like Klopp at a top club

Melvyn11:

All I care about is the amount used in assembling both teams and Liverpool came on top. So the argument of being underdogs is dead.

so Liverpool were the favourites coming into that match abi?
hahahaha

kendrick93:
did madrid hire benitez in 2009 or 2015?
benitez has shown he wasn't at his. best prior to that madrid move
due to his stints at inter,napoli and co

Where did Benitez get that Inter team that just won the CL?

kendrick93:
did madrid hire benitez in 2009 or 2015?
benitez has shown he wasn't at his. best prior to that madrid move
due to his stints at inter,napoli and co

You are saying this because it has already happened. The way you are shouting put klopp this and he will win that when it happens and he flops you will still tell us he has past his prime.

DExponential:

After your club cherry picked Gotze and Lewandowski?

You dont know much football do you?

2011/2012 season with Gotze and Lewandoski, Dortmund and klopp finished last in their CL groups behind Arsenal Marseille and Olympiakos

kendrick93:
so Liverpool were the favourites coming into that match abi?
hahahaha

Liverpool had the most expensive 11 so they most be better or those that only apply to Pep?

kendrick93:
so Liverpool were the favourites coming into that match abi?
hahahaha

So its possible to spend more and not be the favourite? So what were you saying about Pep?

raumdeuter:


Where did Benitez get that Inter team that just won the CL?

do u think a young benitez would have failed at madrid?
anyway we are going off point
KLOPP can succeed at madrid or any where....his teams play a fast energetic type of football too unlike benitez who is from the mourinho school of coaches(defensive).
What's not to like about klopp?

kendrick93:
do u think a young benitez would have failed at madrid?
anyway we are going off point
KLOPP can succeed at madrid or any where....his teams play a fast energetic type of football too unlike benitez who is from the mourinho school of coaches(defensive).
What's not to like about klopp?

What evidence do you have that Benitez wont have flopped at Madrid? The only time it happened he flopped but you want us to look at an hypotetical time

Ok let me ask, Do you think a young Pep of 2009-2012 wont have won treble every season at Man City?

Benitez AVB Moyes are examples of coaches who went to bigger teams and have been let downs. Tuchel is towing the same path

raumdeuter:


You dont know much football do you?

2011/2012 season with Gotze and Lewandoski, Dortmund and klopp finished last in their CL groups behind Arsenal Marseille and Olympiakos

klopp and his team was quite inexperienced in Europe..it was their first trial in Europe too..
You could see after he got the hang of things he started smashing it in Europe...
That's called team building something pep hasn't experienced because he's been playing real life football manager where he can sign whoever he wants no matter the costs

Melvyn11:

Liverpool had the most expensive 11 so they most be better or those that only apply to Pep?

You are talking nonsense..
Out of that starting eleven klopp only bought mane,salah and karius..
the rest were inherited..
Your point doesn't make any sense

raumdeuter:


You dont know much football do you?

2011/2012 season with Gotze and Lewandoski, Dortmund and klopp finished last in their CL groups behind Arsenal Marseille and Olympiakos

There was a mixup there. He did a double though.

kendrick93:
klopp and his team was quite inexperienced in Europe..it was their first trial in Europe too..
You could see after he got the hang of things he started smashing it in Europe...
That's called team building something pep hasn't experienced because he's been playing real life football manager where he can whoever he wants no matter the costs

Dortmund already played Europa cup the season before and crashed out of the group stages. when they were only able to beat Karpaty Lviv

DExponential:

There was a mixup there. He did a double though.

In CL what did he do? he came last in his groups, the season before failed to make it out of Europa group

raumdeuter:


What evidence do you have that Benitez wont have flopped at Madrid? The only time it happened he flopped but you want us to look at an hypotetical time

Ok let me ask, Do you think a young Pep of 2009-2012 wont have won treble every season at Man City?

Benitez AVB Moyes are examples of coaches who went to bigger teams and have been let downs. Tuchel is towing the same path

do u think pep is a worse manager now than then?
the answer to that question is your answer

kendrick93:
You are talking nonsense..
Out of that starting eleven klopp only bought mane,salah and karius..
the rest were inherited..
Your point doesn't make any sense

He also inherited Van dijk from Southampton Bwhahahaha. Now when klopp has the more expensive Eleven you have started making Excuses for his failures.

kendrick93:
klopp and his team was quite inexperienced in Europe..it was their first trial in Europe too..
You could see after he got the hang of things he started smashing it in Europe...
That's called team building something pep hasn't experienced because he's been playing real life football manager where he can sign whoever he wants no matter the costs

Pep doesn't get to hide behind the "underdogs/no-one expected us to win trophy" tag like Klopp. Guardiola doesn't get 4 years to build a team to win one trophy.

raumdeuter:


Dortmund already played Europa cup the season before and crashed out of the group stages. when they were only able to beat Karpaty Lviv

Remembered Dortmund were in the doldrums before he took over...
have u checked where they were when they crashed out of the Europa?
I remembered bvb almost went into administration due to lack of funds...Bayern had to bail them out.
context matters

kendrick93:
do u think pep is a worse manager now than then?
the answer to that question is your answer

That answer is irrelevant, It shows how illogical to say a Benitez of 2003 would have succeded in Madrid because he had the chance and failed to do it
It will rank aside statements like Moyes of 2004 would have won the treble in Man Utd
AVB of 2010 would have succeded in Chelsea

If Vardy had played at Man Utd in 2010 he would have been balon dor

Melvyn11:

He also inherited Van dijk from Southampton Bwhahahaha. Now when klopp has the more expensive Eleven you have started making Excuses for his failures.

was salah and mane more expensive than Ronaldo?
put them in the market and see how much they would cost..
benzema, ramos..lol
do u know what inflation is?
Ronaldo if sold now woulda cost more than the 80m madrid payed for him

kendrick93:
Remembered Dortmund were in the doldrums before he took over...
have u checked where they were when they crashed out of the Europa?
I remembered bvb almost went into administration due to lack of funds...Bayern had to bail them out.
context matters

So context matters now? But do you consider that Man City side has never won anything in Europe in their entire existence or they have never had a pedigree in the comptition

raumdeuter:


That answer is irrelevant, It shows how illogical to say a Benitez of 2003 would have succeded in Madrid because he had the chance and failed to do it
It will rank aside statements like Moyes of 2004 would have won the treble in Man Utd
AVB of 2010 would have succeded in Chelsea

If Vardy had played at Man Utd in 2010 he would have been balon dor

You would have been right if those guys were ever proven world class..
At no time was Moyes ever a top manager... nor avb

kendrick93:
was salah and mane more expensive than Ronaldo?
put them in the market and see how much they would cost..
benzema, ramos..lol
do u know what inflation is?
Ronaldo if sold now woulda cost more than the 80m madrid payed for him

None of your Epistles will change the fact that Liverpool 11 was more expensive than that of Madrid. And guess the coach with the most expensive starting 11 to ever win the Champions League.

raumdeuter:


In CL what did he do? he came last in his groups, the season before failed to make it out of Europa group

In those two seasons, he won the league. He took them to the Champs final the next season.

raumdeuter:


So context matters now? But do you consider that Man City side has never won anything in Europe in their entire existence or they have never had a pedigree in the comptition

When you have a blank chequebook it doesn't matter..
If klopp had spent loads and didn't deliver then u can call the calvary..

remember too klopp didn't make any major signings this summer yet his team looks like it will still challenge for the title and CL while pep spent 50m on cancelo and 70m on rodri just to upgrade his bench

kendrick93:

You would have been right if those guys were ever proven world class..
At no time was Moyes ever a top manager... nor avb

Most of your posts are revisionist

This was a report when AVB was appointed by Chelsea