LordReed:


That is not the issue and glad you know you are asserting, assertions are not proof. The issue is can you demonstrate this parallel? I can remove software from a microprocessor and put it back, the result will be the same every single time. Can you demonstrate something similar for your brain and spirit parallel?

Let me joyfully answer your questions.

If the program of the Microcontroller is in the ROM, there is nothing you can do about it: it's a permanent program
If the Program is on a R/RW drive, that which you said is possible if and only if you have the power to Write or Copy and transfer Programs. The question is do you have the Admin prevelege to do such? Usually it's the writers of such programs that determine the level of your access.

If I was the programmer or I can program the Soul/Spirit, sure I can.
If the Chief programmer gave me the Admin prevelege, yes I can.

Unfortunately, For now only God (the chief Programmer can) Edit, Delete and Restore a Human Soul/Spirit.

Can you demonstrate something similar for your brain and spirit parallel?

The Spirit is at the kernel level (of the operating system): we usually don't have control over it. It is easier for me to illustrate with the Soul.

Computer: Application Program (Ms Word, Ms Excel, Corel Draw, Paint, Sonic Forge etc)
Human: Soul (Emotion, Volition, Intelligence)


Our spirit differentiates us from Animals. It gives us the capacity to exist forever. It is our Body in the Spirit realm by which we are recognised as an identity. It's in everyway like the human body but in the spirit realm. It isn't localized in space. It isn't time bound. At Physical death, the union of the Soul and Spirit remain alive and alert: This union goes to the place reserved for the dead souls. Our spirit give us our CONSCIENCE!

shadeyinka:

Let me joyfully answer your questions.

If the program of the Microcontroller is in the ROM, there is nothing you can do about it: it's a permanent program
If the Program is on a R/RW drive, that which you said is possible if and only if you have the power to Write or Copy and transfer Programs. The question is do you have the Admin prevelege to do such? Usually it's the writers of such programs that determine the level of your access.

If I was the programmer or I can program the Soul/Spirit, sure I can.
If the Chief programmer gave me the Admin prevelege, yes I can.

Unfortunately, For now only God (the chief Programmer can) Edit, Delete and Restore a Human Soul/Spirit.


The Spirit is at the kernel level (of the operating system): we usually don't have control over it. It is easier for me to illustrate with the Soul.

Computer: Application Program (Ms Word, Ms Excel, Corel Draw, Paint, Sonic Forge etc)
Human: Soul (Emotion, Volition, Intelligence)


Our spirit differentiates us from Animals. It gives us the capacity to exist forever. It is our Body in the Spirit realm by which we are recognised as an identity. It's in everyway like the human body but in the spirit realm. It isn't localized in space. It isn't time bound. At Physical death, the union of the Soul and Spirit remain alive and alert: This union goes to the place reserved for the dead souls. Our spirit give us our CONSCIENCE!

So in essence you cannot demonstrate this spirit, you can only assert it?

shadeyinka:


Unfortunately, For now only God (the chief Programmer can) Edit, Delete and Restore a Human Soul/Spirit.

"Only God", and those who are perfect even as your
Father which is in heaven is perfect, "can Edit, Delete and Restore a Human Soul/Spirit". The rest of us should perhaps learn the lower skills of faith, hope and the greatest of all which is love, and after which, go for a masters in the 12 fruits (charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity (kindness), goodness, longanimity (forbearance), mildness (gentleness), faith, modesty, continency (self-control), and chastity, according to the more extensive Vulgata), and then might we too do greater things than He did.

budaatum:

"Only God", and those who are perfect even as your
Father which is in heaven is perfect, "can Edit, Delete and Restore a Human Soul/Spirit". The rest of us should perhaps learn the lower skills of faith, hope and the greatest of all which is love, and after which, go for a masters in the 12 fruits (charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity (kindness), goodness, longanimity (forbearance), mildness (gentleness), faith, modesty, continency (self-control), and chastity, according to the more extensive Vulgata), and then might we too do greater things than He did.

Perfectly said. I didn't know you were still following the thread. I was hoping LordReed will understand better if this was coming from you to him.

shadeyinka:

Perfectly said. I didn't know you were still following the thread. I was hoping LordReed will understand better if this was coming from you to him.

My Lord reads every word I write. See the amazing question he asked.

LordReed:


So in essence you cannot demonstrate this spirit, you can only assert it?

LordReed:

So in essence you cannot demonstrate this spirit, you can only assert it?

A program (human) can only perform what it is given the ability to do by the programmer. It is the owner of the source code that can make, augment, delete, restore or demote a program.

Only in deliverance can you Witness a Christian evict a lower non human soul/spirit (demon). Every "Christian" can cast out a demon BUT not every Christian know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith. Deliverance isn't for demonstration purposes. It's like removing a malware (demon) from a person.
Note:
It's not always like the gimmnastics you see on TV.

I won't preempt you, but feel free to ask you next question.

Modified:
Short answer:
Yes, you can only Assert your spirit according to the level of your authorization

Like you cannot really demonstrate your soul, but you can assert it

budaatum:

My Lord reads every word I write. See the amazing question he asked.

I think I've just answered him.

shadeyinka:

A program can only perform what it is given the ability to do by the programmer. It is the owner of the source code that can make, augment, delete, restore or demote a program.

Only in deliverance can you Witness a Christian evict a lower non human soul/spirit (demon). Every "Christian" can cast out a demon BUT not every Christian know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith. Deliverance isn't for demonstration purposes. It's like removing a malware (demon) from a person.
Note:
It's not always like the gimmnastics you see on TV.

I won't preempt you, but feel free to ask you next question.

I have no further questions.

LordReed:


I have no further questions.

Do you think I've been able to relate (through this analogy) the spirit realm to the physical for the purpose of understanding? I am not speaking of conviction but comprehension?

shadeyinka:

Do you think I've been able to relate (through this analogy) the spirit realm to the physical for the purpose of understanding? I am not speaking of conviction but comprehension?

Do I need to repeat that I was a Christian?

shadeyinka:
A program can only perform what it is given the ability to do by the programmer. It is the owner of the source code that can make, augment, delete, restore or demote a program.

Do you think I've been able to relate (through this analogy) the spirit realm to the physical for the purpose of understanding? I am not speaking of conviction but comprehension?

Read your own answer again Shade. You said, "Every "Christian" can cast out a demon BUT not every Christian know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith." Essentially meaning, "Christians who do not know how to cast out demons cannot cast out demons." Which is true.

Now consider the atheist's position, to whom a Christian says the demon is in but who fails to cast it out. Does that not prove the Christian is one of those who does not "know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith", and who themselves should be seeking the favour of the Lord instead of selling that which even they themselves have no faith in?

Personally, I am not surprised at the failure of those who presume that they themselves are the "programmer" and the "owner". The truth is some lack the ability to programme or own themselves.

LordReed:


Do I need to repeat that I was a Christian?

I guess you are in your leisure time to answer or discuss with them back to back...
I don't spend time on people that obfuscate. From the onset of a discussion I know the intention of the person I want to discuss with, whether it's to gain cheap points or actually learn new things (in the case of theists it is always to create strawmans to pin us down for not accepting their God).
You will keep running round circles with them. And you will weary yourself.

Malvisguy212, is gloating that I am mute , unbeknownst to him it's because I decided his not what my time....

Michellekabod2:

Malvisguy212, is gloating that I am mute , unbeknownst to him it's because I decided his not what my time....

alright, I accept I did not worth your time, who am I !!! almajiri ( disciple ). a weak man who don't want to jeopardize His eternity on an in complete knowledge of the univers.

budaatum:

Read your own answer again Shade. You said, "Every "Christian" can cast out a demon BUT not every Christian know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith." Essentially meaning, "Christians who do not know how to cast out demons cannot cast out demons." Which is true.

Now consider the atheist's position, to whom a Christian says the demon is in but who fails to cast it out. Does that not prove the Christian is one of those who does not "know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith", and who themselves should be seeking the favour of the Lord instead of selling that which even they themselves have no faith in?

Personally, I am not surprised at the failure of those who presume that they themselves are the "programmer" and the "owner". The truth is some lack the ability to programme or own themselves.

Deliverance cannot be imposed on anyone. The only exception is if God Himself fished out the demonized person.

There are certain times when a person doesn't care to have a deliverance yet during say a deliverance prayer, they suddenly beging to manifest (demons exposed). In such cases, the job has almost been completed by God for the minister to complete.

In most other cases, the demonized must at least consent to be prayed for. Whatever happens after cannot be predicted. Some deliverance occur without an iota of manifestations, some are accompanied by mild to cool conversations with the demons and some are very loud and wild (depending on the character of the demons involved).

Casting out of demons is the "bread of God's children". However, those who have some gifts like Discernment of Spirits or Word of Knowledge would be more successful that a Christian who rely solely on his Faith. Also, our faiths are not the same. A greater faith produces a faster deliverance while a smaller faith would still do the same deliverance but after some repeated "boxing and hitting" of the demons. So, a person with small faith would spend more times or even more sessions than a person with great faith. Finally, and I think this is the most important: demons seem to know if we have tarried in His presence. Our "fire" become exceedingly hot when our fellowship with God is supper. Sometimes too, God just supplies the grace because of His "sheep" that needs freedom. (from my little experience.)

A lot of variables are involved as no two deliverances are alike. One could encounter a weak demon or a stubborn one, a cooperative, trickster or fearful or boastful or demons whose threshold of pain is high.

Interestingly, sometimes a Christian who is ministering deliverance need deliverance himself. It's like a medical doctor and surgeon who has hernia: yes he may be able to treat some people but he himself need surgery.

Deliverance isn't the alpha & omega of every problem. I have seen "failed" deliverances where the delivered returns back to his former state.

God has given us the ability to reprogram our soul BY the Word of Truth and meditating on it in other to perform it.

Rom 12:2: "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what [is] that good and pleasing and perfect will of God."

Eph 4:23: "and be renewed in the spirit of your mind."

Michellekabod2:
I guess you are in your leisure time to answer or discuss with them back to back...
I don't spend time on people that obfuscate. From the onset of a discussion I know the intention of the person I want to discuss with, whether it's to gain cheap points or actually learn new things (in the case of theists it is always to create strawmans to pin us down for not accepting their God).
You will keep running round circles with them. And you will weary yourself.

Malvisguy212, is gloating that I am mute , unbeknownst to him it's because I decided his not what my time....

But you created a thread that says: Why Faith is Delusional!

In your case, I've just shown you that you did also take a BIG leap of faith. Only the Gnostic Atheists are absolved of this "crime"!

LordReed:


Do I need to repeat that I was a Christian?

Hmmmmmmmm,

You were a misinformed Churchgoer Sir, NOT a Christian!

For clarity sake.

A Christian is a person who wants to live a Christlike life!

It's extremely difficult for anyone to live 100% like Christ for so many reasons.

©He wasn't ordinary human so he's not interested in living a normal human life!
©He could easily resist the pressure of human nature so he's not often stressed up with anxieties!
©He's got a perfect body so he can't fall sick, grow weakly old nor die naturally!
©He's got a perfect and sharp memory so there is no document, speech or event he could forget!
©He has the power to control all the forces of nature so no calamity can obstruct his plan to cause any confusion for him!

Despite all of these you can still become a Christian and live an measurable approved Christlike life by readjusting your schedule/plans to imitate Jesus' aim which is primarily doing the will of his Father. Just as he put every other thing as secondary, you too can do exactly the same as you make God's will paramount in your life! Matthew 6:33

The will of his Father is for everyone to come to an accurate knowledge of the truth! 1Timothy 2:3-4

That means you must exact yourself to create time going out to speak often with people in your neighbourhood about what God has in mind for creating us here on earth {Malachi 3:16-18, Matthew 20:19-20} why things are like this now and what God had in mind to solve all mankind's problems! Psalms 37:9-11, Proverbs 2:20-22

That is what Jesus did and also taught his followers to continue doing incessantly so as to gather honest hearted ones throughout the globe to form a happy global family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23

So if you worshiped with any group of persons without this been inculcated in your heart as something under must, then you were NEVER a Christian!

shadeyinka:

But you created a thread that says: Why Faith is Delusional!

In your case, I've just shown you that you did also take a BIG leap of faith. Only the Gnostic Atheists are absolved of this "crime"!

I took a big leap of faith? Lol...no offence but you can read right? SMH...
I used to think that amongst you theists they are open minded ones.... Just to justify you faith in supernatural beings et Al, you have to nail faith on me....you are the type of fellow that does the "blame" shifting to justify yourself...
I will not argue this with you because it's like speaking to a wall....keep having your faith

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm,

You were a misinformed Churchgoer Sir, NOT a Christian!

For clarity sake.

A Christian is a person who wants to live a Christlike life!

It's extremely difficult for anyone to live 100% like Christ for so many reasons.

©He wasn't ordinary human so he's not interested in living a normal human life!
©He could easily resist the pressure of human nature so he's not often stressed up with anxieties!
©He's got a perfect body so he can't fall sick, grow weakly old nor die naturally!
©He's got a perfect and sharp memory so there is no document, speech or event he could forget!
©He has the power to control all the forces of nature so no calamity can obstruct his plan to cause any confusion for him!

Despite all of these you can still become a Christian and live an measurable approved Christlike life by readjusting your schedule/plans to imitate Jesus' aim which is primarily doing the will of his Father. Just as he put every other thing as secondary, you too can do exactly the same as you make God's will paramount in your life! Matthew 6:33

The will of his Father is for everyone to come to an accurate knowledge of the truth! 1Timothy 2:3-4

That means you must exact yourself to create time going out to speak often with people in your neighbourhood about what God has in mind for creating us here on earth {Malachi 3:16-18, Matthew 20:19-20} why things are like this now and what God had in mind to solve all mankind's problems! Psalms 37:9-11, Proverbs 2:20-22

That is what Jesus did and also taught his followers to continue doing incessantly so as to gather honest hearted ones throughout the globe to form a happy global family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:20-23

So if you worshiped with any group of persons without this been inculcated in your heart as something under must, then you were NEVER a Christian!

Fake news.

Maximus69:

So if you worshiped with any group of persons without this been inculcated in your heart as something under must, then you were NEVER a Christian!

Thankfully, we all remain human beings, neighbours to one another and enemies too, meeting everyday to debate the existence of the Lord God Almighty in post after post on thread after thread inculcating the Lord God in hearts.

Max, you too Olaadegbu?

Michellekabod2:

I took a big leap of faith? Lol...no offence but you can read right? SMH...
I used to think that amongst you theists they are open minded ones.... Just to justify you faith in supernatural beings et Al, you have to nail faith on me....you are the type of fellow that does the "blame" shifting to justify yourself...
I will not argue this with you because it's like speaking to a wall....keep having your faith

YES!!! it is a giant leap of Faith , atheism seem to put a lot of stock in the empirical method and logic, why not think about this and used logic here : to prove there is no God , you need to understand the COMPREHENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF REALITY , traveled to the farthest place in the universe? The nearest star to the earth. if you haven't, I am sorry, your Faith is Even STRONGER than mine , I admire it, I must confess.

I am sorry for mentioning you, I understand you don't like it

malvisguy212:
YES!!! it is a giant leap of Faith , atheism seem to put a lot of stock in the empirical method and logic, why not think about this and used logic here : to prove there is no God , you need to understand the COMPREHENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF REALITY , traveled to the farthest place in the universe? The nearest star to the earth. if you haven't, I am sorry, your Faith is Even STRONGER than mine , I admire it, I must confess.

I am sorry for mentioning you, I understand you don't like it

Science is a neutral ground and doesn't take sides with atheism and theism. It only gives us answers to questions bothering humanity. You theists throw darts on science because you believe it's shielding us
The burden of prove rests on the shoulder of a theist to prove there is God and not vice versa. It is he who is peddling a commodity that proves to prospective customers that the commodity is of optimium value .
Hold on a second,so you feel an atheist must have scouted the entire cosmos for the existence of God before getting his reasons? You have no right to set standards for atheist. An atheist reason for being an atheist may be as petty as "if God existed he will prevent children from being raped" ,and he owes no damn soul an explanation.
Keep calling a puppy a wolf because you want to kill it.


I did send you a PM because to talk to you, meaning that I don't have time for obfuscating or back to back argument on forums but on email I can do that

Michellekabod2:

Science is a neutral ground and doesn't take sides with atheism and theism. It only gives us answers to questions bothering humanity. You theists throw darts on science because you believe it's shielding us
The burden of prove rests on the shoulder of a theist to prove there is God and not vice versa. It is he who is peddling a commodity that proves to prospective customers that the commodity is of optimium value .
Hold on a second,so you feel an atheist must have scouted the entire cosmos for the existence of God before getting his reasons? You have no right to set standards for atheist. An atheist reason for being an atheist may be as petty as "if God existed he will prevent children from being raped" ,and he owes no damn soul an explanation.
Keep calling a puppy a wolf because you want to kill it.


I did send you a PM because to talk to you, meaning that I don't have time for obfuscating or back to back argument on forums but on email I can do that

to believed in God is conditional considered this word of Jesus :
And Jesus said to him, “ IF YOU CAN BELIEVE all things are possible to him who believes.” Mark 9:23.

The only ‘if’ in the statement above is whether you have faith or not. if so how was it that the burden of prove is on the believers ? at list shouldn't you be sure of what you deny ?

you exalt reason and logic, shouldn't you be sure of REALITY , before you take a position on the existence of God ? what is your gain of being an atheist ? to live life not accountable to sin ?

I don't like unfruitful argument. it only involved me when you mentioned CHRISTIANITY. thank you.

Michellekabod2:

I took a big leap of faith? Lol...no offence but you can read right? SMH...
I used to think that amongst you theists they are open minded ones.... Just to justify you faith in supernatural beings et Al, you have to nail faith on me....you are the type of fellow that does the "blame" shifting to justify yourself...
I will not argue this with you because it's like speaking to a wall....keep having your faith

Agnostic Atheists are agnostics because of some gaps in requisite knowledge to confirm their knowledge about need to believe.

It's impossible to be agnostic over a verified fact. One is only agnostic over an information that isn't completely verifiable. In that case, any conclusion arrived at with the incomplete information was arrived at with a process of Believe/"Faith"

LordReed:


Fake news.

FAKE NEWS or not, the point here is you were misinformed about what Christianity is all about, and as a reputable and knowledgeable intellectual all you need to do now is correct yourself since you now know what it means to be a Christian.

You've always argued that there is nothing like Jesus of Nazareth or Bible, you asserted that everything was fabricated. But at least you now know what Christianity means according to the FABRICATED story in the so called FAKE book.
Romeo and Juliet was a tale by Shakespeare but for any Romeo not to play the lover boy is a taboo of the century!

Just admit you were misinformed that's all!

Maximus69:


FAKE NEWS or not, the point here is you were misinformed about what Christianity is all about, and as a reputable and knowledgeable intellectual all you need to do now is correct yourself since you now know what it means to be a Christian.

You've always argued that there is nothing like Jesus of Nazareth or Bible, you asserted that everything was fabricated. But at least you now know what Christianity means according to the FABRICATED story in the so called FAKE book Romeo and Juliet was a tale by Shakespeare but for any Romeo not to play the lover boy is a taboo of the century!

Just admit you were misinformed that's all!

Fake news because you don't know what I believed and you misrepresent what I say now. You are peddling falsehood as though you know something about me so yes fake news.

LordReed:


Fake news because you don't know what I believed and you misrepresent what I say now. You are peddling falsehood as though you know something about me so yes fake news.

I don't know what you believed?

Come on LordReed, you and i have discussed at length on NL about religion and with what i've been able to gather so far about you, i can boldly, conscientiously say that you knew NOTHING about Christianity!

Have you forgotten how you were mixing Churchgoers thinking with what the Bible really teach?

What did the Bible say will be the identifying mark of a true Christian group?

My friend, there's nothing bad or to be ashamed of when you err, but it's disastrous when you refuse to admit your mistakes, and most especially NOT when you're trying to correct others!

Maximus69:


I don't know what you believed?

Come on LordReed, you and i have discussed at length on NL about religion and with what i've been able to gather so far about you, i can boldly, conscientiously say that you knew NOTHING about Christianity!

Have you forgotten how you were mixing Churchgoers thinking with what the Bible really teach?

What did the Bible say will be the identifying mark of a true Christian group?

My friend, there's nothing bad or to be ashamed of when you err, but it's disastrous when you refuse to admit your mistakes, and most especially NOT when you're trying to correct others!

We have discussed about christianity does not equal we've discussed about what I believed. Don't attempt to be too clever. Also you keep misrepresenting what I say now, can you find any place where I said Jesus of Nazareth waS FABRICATED? If you can't don't be ashamed to say you erred ok? It's disastrous when you refuse to admit your mistakes, and most especially NOT when you're trying to correct others!

You don't see Satan again once you know Christ. Christ is TheFaith.

shadeyinka:

A program (human) can only perform what it is given the ability to do by the programmer. It is the owner of the source code that can make, augment, delete, restore or demote a program.

Only in deliverance can you Witness a Christian evict a lower non human soul/spirit (demon). Every "Christian" can cast out a demon BUT not every Christian know how to cast out a demon from a human being nor have the necessary faith. Deliverance isn't for demonstration purposes. It's like removing a malware (demon) from a person.
Note:
It's not always like the gimmnastics you see on TV.

I won't preempt you, but feel free to ask you next question.

Modified:
Short answer:
Yes, you can only Assert your spirit according to the level of your authorization

Like you cannot really demonstrate your soul, but you can assert it

Worshipping a god that was used to torture our fore fathers.
Spit

Nobodyperson:

Worshipping a god that was used to torture our fore fathers.
Spit

If you have thought just a little bit, you'll have kept your mouth shut!

shadeyinka:

If you have thought just a little bit, you'll have kept your mouth shut!

Go back to church and worship the god of the colonizers.

Nobodyperson:

Go back to church and worship the god of the colonizers.

Why disturbing others with the inventions and language of your enslavers!?