Question
The Quran says (ehat means) "Angels and Gabriel ascend to Allah in a day equivalent to 5000 terrestrial years.” Does this imply that Allah is controlling the earthly matters sitting on the throne? Then how can it be that Allah is nearer to us than the veins?

Answer

Praise be to Allah.

It is proven in the Quran and Sunnah (prophetic teachings) and by the consensus (ijma’) of the salaf (early generations) of this ummah (global Islamic nation) that Allah is above His heavens over His Throne (as befits His Majesty), and that He is the Exalted, Most High. He is above all things, and there is nothing that is above Him. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allah, it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six days. Then He rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)?” [32:4]

“Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]

“To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it (i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allah unless and until they are followed by good deeds).” [35:10]

“He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him).” [57:3]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “You are the Most High and there is nothing above You…”

There are many similar ayat (verses) and ahadeeth (prophetic narrations). But at the same time, Allah tells us that He is with His slaves wherever they are:

“Have you not seen that Allah knows whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth? There is no najwa (secret counsel) of three but He is their fourth (with His Knowledge, while He Himself is over the Throne, over the seventh heaven), — nor of five but He is their sixth (with His Knowledge), — nor of less than that or more but He is with them (with His Knowledge) wheresoever they may be.” [58:7]

Allah has combined mention of His being above His Throne with mention of His being with His slaves in one ayah (verse), where He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). He knows what goes into the earth and what comes forth from it, and what descends from the heaven and what ascends thereto. And He is with you (by His Knowledge) wheresoever you may be.” [57:4]

Saying that Allah is with us does not mean that He is mixed with (or dwells in) His creation; rather He is with His slaves by His knowledge. He is above His Throne and nothing is hidden from Him of what they do. With regard to the ayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein (by Our Knowledge).” [50:16]

Most of the mufassireen (exegesists) said that what is meant is that He is near by means of His angels whose task it is to record people’s deeds. And those who said that it means that He is near explained it as meaning that He is near by His knowledge, as is said concerning how He is with us.

This is the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jama’ah (followers of prophetic guidance), who affirm that Allah is above His creation and that He is also with His slaves, and they state that He is far above dwelling in His created beings. With regard to the denial of all Divine attributes as voiced by the Jahamiyyah (a deviant sect) and their followers, they deny that His Essence is above His creatures and that He rose above His Throne, and they say that He is present in His Essence everywhere. We ask Allah to guide the Muslims.

Source IslamAlways

WHERE IS ALLAH: SALAFI'S DOUBLE STANDARD

It is very hypocritical the way many commentators have interpreted certain verses but left others in their literal meaning to suit their aqeedah.

Salafi's aqeeda is "Allah is in or above the heavens", "And The Beneficient Lord rose over the Throne."

All these verses are treated LITERALLY by the Salafi. And they understood 'A'la - High or above" as "Height", and do not agree with "Status".


However, salafi chose to interpret and give meaning to below verses, rather than leaving it to their "literal" mantra which Salafi claim:

Surah Al-Mujadila, Verse 7:

....He is with them wheresoever they are...

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 115:

And Allah's is the East and the West, therefore, wherever you turn, there is Allah's face; ..."

These verses suggests that Allah is literally EVERYWHERE with EVERYTHING. Had Salafi leave all these verses in their literal meaning, it will clash with their literal "above the heaven" or on the Throne LITERAL claim. Hence, Salafi hypocritically interpreted these verses to "knowledge of Allah" while maintain that His Dhat - Essence - is above the heaven, over the Throne.



ALLAH HAS NO PHYSICAL OR IMAGINABLE PLACE HE RESIDES

AND HIS "ABOVENESS" IS NOT OF HEIGHT, BUT STATUS

He is the First and the Last, the Outward (al-Zahir) and the Inward (al-Batin). He has knowledge of all things." (Quran 57: 3)

Al-Tirmidhi (d. 279 AH) records the Prophet’s exegesis of the verse:

Abu Hurairah narrated that:

Fatimah came to the Prophet, asking him for a servant. So he said to her: ‘Say: "O Allah, Lord of the Seven Heavens and the Lord of the Magnificent Throne, our Lord, and the Lord of everything, Revealer of the Tawrah, the Injil, and the Qur'an, Splitter of the seed-grain and the date-stone, I seek refuge in You from the evil of everything that You are holding by the forelock, You are the First, for there is nothing before You, You are the Last, for there is nothing after You. You are Az-Zahir, for there is NOTHING ABOVE YOU, AND YOU ARE AL-BATIN, FOR THERE IS NOTHING BELOW YOU. Relieve me from debt, and enrich me from poverty.”’

Abu Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i says about it: Sahih.

Source: Imam Hafiz Abu 'Eisa Mohammad Ibn 'Eisa At-Tirmidhi, English Translation of Jami' At-Tirmidhi, trans. by Abu Khaliyl, ed. by Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i, rev. by Islamic Research Section Darussalam, 6 vols (Riyadh: Darussalam Publishers and Distributors, 2007), VI, 200, no. 3481.

https://www.sunnah.com/tirmidhi/48/112

This verse/hadith destroyed the idea that Allah is above the heaven or on the Throne literally as Salafi maintained as these will lead to the fact that Throne or Heaven is BELOW Allah.

And this equally destroy myth of an Abu Huraira's narration that Allah used to come down to lower Heavens in the last part of the night. If this is so, then other heavens will be above Him, and other creatures will be below Him.

The only rational meaning to this is NOTHING but metaphorical meaning.

Al-Nawawi (d. 676 AH), for example reports:

Al-Qadi 'Iyad said: ‘There is no disagreement among all Muslims – their jurists, traditionists, theologians and their likes and their followers – that the apparent texts which mention that God is in the heaven, like His Statement {Do you feel secure that He Who is in the heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth} and others like it, do NOT HAVE LITERAL MEANINGS. Rather, they are given metaphorical interpretations by all of them (i.e. the Muslims).

Source: Muḥy al-Din Abu Zakariyah Yahya ibn Sharaf ibn Murra al-Nawawi, al-Minhaj: Sharḥ Sahih Muslim, 2nd edn, 18 vols (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-'Arabi, 1392 AH), V, 24

One such metaphorical interpretation is provided by al-Qurtubi (d. 671 AH), who states:

I say: It is possible that it means: ‘Do you feel secure that the Creator of those in the heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth as He caused it to swallow Korah?’

Source: Abu 'Abdillah Muḥammad ibn Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr al-Qurtubi, al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an, ed. by Dr. 'Abdullah ibn 'Abd al-Muhsin al-Turki et al, 24 vols (Beirut: Muassasat al-Risalah, 1427 AH), XXI, 125

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=1258&idto=1258&bk_no=48&ID=681

And He is Allah in the heavens and the earth, He knows what you conceal and what you reveal, and He knows what you earn.) Meaning, it is He Who is called Allah, throughout the heavens and the earth, that is, it is He who is worshipped, singled out, whose divinity is believed in by the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&tas

AlBaqir:
WHERE IS ALLAH: SALAFI'S DOUBLE STANDARD

It is very hypocritical the way many commentators have interpreted certain verses but left others in their literal meaning to suit their aqeedah.

Salafi's aqeeda is "Allah is in or above the heavens", "And The Beneficient Lord rose over the Throne."

All these verses are treated LITERALLY by the Salafi. And they understood 'A'la - High or above" as "Height", and do not agree with "Status".


However, salafi chose to interpret and give meaning to below verses, rather than leaving it to their "literal" mantra which Salafi claim:

Surah Al-Mujadila, Verse 7:

....He is with them wheresoever they are...

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 115:

And Allah's is the East and the West, therefore, wherever you turn, there is Allah's face; ..."

These verses suggests that Allah is literally EVERYWHERE with EVERYTHING. Had Salafi leave all these verses in their literal meaning, it will clash with their literal "above the heaven" or on the Throne LITERAL claim. Hence, Salafi hypocritically interpreted these verses to "knowledge of Allah" while maintain that His Dhat - Essence - is above the heaven, over the Throne.



ALLAH HAS NO PHYSICAL OR IMAGINABLE PLACE HE RESIDES

AND HIS "ABOVENESS" IS NOT OF HEIGHT, BUT STATUS

He is the First and the Last, the Outward (al-Zahir) and the Inward (al-Batin). He has knowledge of all things." (Quran 57: 3)

Al-Tirmidhi (d. 279 AH) records the Prophet’s exegesis of the verse:

Abu Hurairah narrated that:

Fatimah came to the Prophet, asking him for a servant. So he said to her: ‘Say: "O Allah, Lord of the Seven Heavens and the Lord of the Magnificent Throne, our Lord, and the Lord of everything, Revealer of the Tawrah, the Injil, and the Qur'an, Splitter of the seed-grain and the date-stone, I seek refuge in You from the evil of everything that You are holding by the forelock, You are the First, for there is nothing before You, You are the Last, for there is nothing after You. You are Az-Zahir, for there is NOTHING ABOVE YOU, AND YOU ARE AL-BATIN, FOR THERE IS NOTHING BELOW YOU. Relieve me from debt, and enrich me from poverty.”’

Abu Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i says about it: Sahih.

Source: Imam Hafiz Abu 'Eisa Mohammad Ibn 'Eisa At-Tirmidhi, English Translation of Jami' At-Tirmidhi, trans. by Abu Khaliyl, ed. by Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i, rev. by Islamic Research Section Darussalam, 6 vols (Riyadh: Darussalam Publishers and Distributors, 2007), VI, 200, no. 3481.

https://www.sunnah.com/tirmidhi/48/112

This verse/hadith destroyed the idea that Allah is above the heaven or on the Throne literally as Salafi maintained as these will lead to the fact that Throne or Heaven is BELOW Allah.

And this equally destroy myth of an Abu Huraira's narration that Allah used to come down to lower Heavens in the last part of the night. If this is so, then other heavens will be above Him, and other creatures will be below Him.

The only rational meaning to this is NOTHING but metaphorical meaning.

Al-Nawawi (d. 676 AH), for example reports:

Al-Qadi 'Iyad said: ‘There is no disagreement among all Muslims – their jurists, traditionists, theologians and their likes and their followers – that the apparent texts which mention that God is in the heaven, like His Statement {Do you feel secure that He Who is in the heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth} and others like it, do NOT HAVE LITERAL MEANINGS. Rather, they are given metaphorical interpretations by all of them (i.e. the Muslims).

Source: Muḥy al-Din Abu Zakariyah Yahya ibn Sharaf ibn Murra al-Nawawi, al-Minhaj: Sharḥ Sahih Muslim, 2nd edn, 18 vols (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-'Arabi, 1392 AH), V, 24

One such metaphorical interpretation is provided by al-Qurtubi (d. 671 AH), who states:

I say: It is possible that it means: ‘Do you feel secure that the Creator of those in the heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth as He caused it to swallow Korah?’

Source: Abu 'Abdillah Muḥammad ibn Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr al-Qurtubi, al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an, ed. by Dr. 'Abdullah ibn 'Abd al-Muhsin al-Turki et al, 24 vols (Beirut: Muassasat al-Risalah, 1427 AH), XXI, 125

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=1258&idto=1258&bk_no=48&ID=681

And He is Allah in the heavens and the earth, He knows what you conceal and what you reveal, and He knows what you earn.) Meaning, it is He Who is called Allah, throughout the heavens and the earth, that is, it is He who is worshipped, singled out, whose divinity is believed in by the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&tas

Where is the Shiite's Illah?

Rashduct4luv:


Where is the Shiite's Illah?

You don't LITERALLY ask "Where and how" about the Creator of those entities.


"And He is with you wherever you may be, and Allah sees best what you do." Qur'an al-Kareem.

Imam al-Sadiq (alayhi salam) was asked by Abu Ja'far regarding Allah's verse in the Qur'an: "And He is Allah in the heavens and in the earth", to which he replied, 'Yes, similarly He is in every place.' I [Abu Ja'far] asked, 'In His essence?' Imam replied, 'Woe betide you! Verily places are subject to limits and boundaries, so by your saying that He is in a place in His essence, you are in fact compelled to say that He is contained in objects which are subject to measurement and size. He is, however, distinct from His creation, entirely encompassing what He creates in Knowledge, power, control, authority and dominion.

Source: al-Tawheed, p. 133, hadith no. 15
http://lib.eshia.ir/11008/3/323

https://www.aqaed.com/book/135/twhid1-09.html

AlBaqir:


You don't LITERALLY ask "Where and how" about the Creator of those entities.


"And He is with you wherever you may be, and Allah sees best what you do." Qur'an al-Kareem.

Imam al-Sadiq (alayhi salam) was asked by Abu Ja'far regarding Allah's verse in the Qur'an: "And He is Allah in the heavens and in the earth", to which he replied, 'Yes, similarly He is in every place.' I [Abu Ja'far] asked, 'In His essence?' Imam replied, 'Woe betide you! Verily places are subject to limits and boundaries, so by your saying that He is in a place in His essence, you are in fact compelled to say that He is contained in objects which are subject to measurement and size. He is, however, distinct from His creation, entirely encompassing what He creates in Knowledge, power, control, authority and dominion.

Source: al-Tawheed, p. 133, hadith no. 15
http://lib.eshia.ir/11008/3/323

https://www.aqaed.com/book/135/twhid1-09.html

I don't get you. Do you mean the Shites God is with them seeing them physically even when they are shitting?

Expatiate your Raafidi teachings.

I already stated in my post that it's the position of the Al-Sunnah wal Jama' but you flew in to the thread with your Shiites creed.

I no even get your time. You can claim your God drinks tea with you too. Na you sabi.

OtemAtum:
God Almighty does not need a throne. For what if I may ask? Is God a human being?
Oh, you said Allah. Is Allah God Almighty? Not at all. Allah happen to be one of the numerous creatures of God Almighty, so he needs a throne because he is like humans.
Currently the gods of science have captured and imprisoned Allah, Jehovah and thousands of other gods in a spiritual cage. If you know you know.

yalakasa sibiri na ala otu masha Allah Amin

Allah is not God

DONXE:
Allah is not God

Nah, he is the Almighty God, the one and only true God, the Lord of all ever in existence. Trust me, words can't describe who Allah is.

Ceoking6:
If all the virgins on earth are been shared ratio 5:1 per man I wonder where Allah would get stocks from

Actually, the biblical God got some virgins and till date we don't know what he used them to do

Demmzy15:
Actually, the biblical God got some virgins and till date we don't know what he used them to do

what virgins?

Gabriel? So Gabriel is mentioned in the quoran?

FROM THE BEGINING OF BELIEVED , PROPHETS, SCHOLARS, PRINCES, AND WISE MEN, CHRISTIANS , MUSLIMS, JEWS. HAVE ALL CONFUSED ABOUT HOW GOD (JEHOVAN, ALLAH) HIS. THE BIBLE , THE QURAN , THE HADITH ONLY BRIEF LITTLE ABOUT GOD (ALLAH). WITH OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE AND WINDOM. IF GOD DESCRIBE HOW IS WAS AND IS MIGHTY POWER AND HUMBLE TRUELY, NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND, NOT EVEN A PROPHETS AND ANGELS. EVERY WORDS WE READ ABOUT GOD IN BIBLE , QURAN, HADITH. LET BELIEVE WITH NO ARQUMENT, NO NEED OF SCHOLAR, IMAM OR PASTOR, BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT CHANGE THE WORDS OR ADD TO IT, IT HAVE BEEN WRITING. WE MAY UNDERSTAND SOME WRITEN, AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOME WRITEN. THAT IS HOW GOD (ALLAH) WANT IT, EVEN OUR RELIGION AND BELIVE, TO TEST OUR FAITH.

FROM THE BEGINING OF BELIEVED , PROPHETS, SCHOLARS, PRINCES, AND WISE MEN, CHRISTIANS , MUSLIMS, JEWS. HAVE ALL CONFUSED ABOUT HOW GOD (JEHOVAN, ALLAH) HIS. THE BIBLE , THE QURAN , THE HADITH ONLY BRIEF LITTLE ABOUT GOD (ALLAH). WITH OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE AND WINDOM. IF GOD DESCRIBE HOW IS WAS AND IS MIGHTY POWER AND HUMBLE TRUELY, NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND, NOT EVEN A PROPHETS AND ANGELS. EVERY WORDS WE READ ABOUT GOD IN BIBLE , QURAN, HADITH. LET BELIEVE WITH NO ARQUMENT, NO NEED OF SCHOLAR, IMAM OR PASTOR, BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT CHANGE THE WORDS OR ADD TO IT, IT HAVE BEEN WRITING. WE MAY UNDERSTAND SOME WRITEN, AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOME WRITEN. THAT IS HOW GOD (ALLAH) WANT IT, EVEN OUR RELIGION AND BELIEVE, TO TEST OUR FAITH.

FROM THE BEGINING OF BELIEVED , PROPHETS, SCHOLARS, PRINCES, AND WISE MEN, CHRISTIANS , MUSLIMS, JEWS. HAVE ALL CONFUSED ABOUT HOW GOD (JEHOVAN, ALLAH) HIS. THE BIBLE , THE QURAN , THE HADITH ONLY BRIEF LITTLE ABOUT GOD (ALLAH). WITH OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE AND WINDOM. IF GOD DESCRIBE HOW IS WAS AND IS MIGHTY POWER AND HUMBLE TRUELY, NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND, NOT EVEN A PROPHETS AND ANGELS. EVERY WORDS WE READ ABOUT GOD IN BIBLE , QURAN, HADITH. LET BELIEVE WITH NO ARQUMENT, NO NEED OF SCHOLAR, IMAM OR PASTOR, BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT CHANGE THE WORDS OR ADD TO IT, IT HAVE BEEN WRITING. WE MAY UNDERSTAND SOME WRITEN, AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOME WRITEN. THAT IS HOW GOD (ALLAH) WANT IT, EVEN OUR RELIGION AND BELIVE, TO TEST OUR FAITH.

EkunKekere:
Why is this one shining his teeth as if he is not a Muslim?

I'm not.

Duggedised12:
Gabriel? So Gabriel is mentioned in the quoran?

yep....The Arch Angel Gabriel in Arabic is called Jubril, the right wing man of the Almighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIbnUMqLQ78

nappy760:


yep....The Arch Angel Gabriel in Arabic is called Jubril, the right wing man of the Almighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFuorImJWmc&t=47s

EkunKekere:
Bros your track record as a muslim apologist is there for every one to see.

I'm no longer a Muslim, I was before.

nappy760:


yep....The Arch Angel Gabriel in Arabic is called Jubril, the right wing man of the Almighty

so why not just call him jubril then? I cant remember Gabriel being an Arabic word.

Duggedised12:
so why not just call him jubril then? I cant remember Gabriel being an Arabic word.

Muslims know him as Jubril na
Just as Jesus is known as Isa in arabic

nappy760:


Muslims know him as Jubril na
Just as Jesus is known as Isa in arabic

lol, so someone that was named Jesus by his parents ,you people now changed to isa , i wonder what the Arabic version of my name is .

Please permit me to have this posted here, I just want to have knowledge of my post

Duggedised12:
lol, so someone that was named Jesus by his parents ,you people now changed to isa , i wonder what the Arabic version of my name is .

tintingz:
I'm not.

Wetin happened, tell us?