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Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by GoldPencil: 12:41pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
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Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by GoldPencil: 12:42pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
lol my man. the things you want me to teach you. I learnt on the internet 70 percent. the other 30 percent I paid dearly. both by using money to experiment and paying mentors to save time. I'm no teacher. maybe I will point you to someone who can show you one of the things if you're lucky. his name here is iLegendd. type it in the search bar. Thane: 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Hedonisco: 12:49pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
GoldPencil: Even if you do the thinking for them, and give them step by step execution 'expo', most people would still not take action or follow through. Most of them are 'wantapreneurs' or even outright sceptics. When nothing else works and they see you balling, they will conclude se pe 'ma dalo hun, yahoo niowun se' (translation: no mind am, na yahoo e dey do) My brother when a limiting mindset and pessimistic passivity/docility becomes a consuming habit, nothing in the world can help you. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Partteen: 12:58pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
I beg to disagree on a lot of your assertions and assumptions. The word you still don't get is what we call 'leverage'. A lot of us are typical examples of our educational system which is not focused on Education for self reliance and this can be seen in our approach to life generally. The successful big businesses leverage on people's time and convert it to money however this is capped income for the employees. So, essentially you don't have the capacity to work harder so as to increase your income unless you get a loan or source for it whichever way you can. I must say this, our lack of cultivating an active reading culture has also contributed to our sense of reasoning. Lay your hands on books like 'Rich dad Poor Dad, Business of the 21st century, by Robert Kiyosaki.., Think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill among many other books. This will increase your capacity in learning how to actively increase your source of income. We also need to understand that you can't spend all your time watching programmes like Big Brother Nigeria and the likes and expect to be productive. There is no reward for being lazy and not being proactive. It is this attitude that has allowed ventures like MMM and wonder banks thrive because a lot of us are lazy and don't want to put in the required effort that any successful venture will need. We also should adopt a lifestyle of not despising the days of little beginnings. I practically started a business with 30,000 after leveraging on other peoples money in 2016....by 2018, I was able to realize over 2million running to about N3.5 million after checking my total income for the year. A lot of us take the Network marketing opportunity in isolation. How many people are successful in life generally? That's to tell you that the same ratio works with that industry as well. The Pareto 80/20 rules works in all spheres of life so you don't expect out of 100 people that venture into it, 90 or 80% will succeed in it. That cannot and will not happen. For anyone to succeed in any venture, skills, time and effort are required. However, I still have my 9-5 job but with personal development, I have been able to increase my stream of income. Focus on developing yourself personally and actively look forward to living life on your own terms and your future will thank you for it. NB- The Dangote you hear of today is an example of someone with a dogged determination to succeed having put in over 30 years of hardwork and consistency. If you take the time to do an extensive research, you will get a good Network marketing outfit to partner with. This is to help you achieve your goals and dreams. Why Network marketing, because they require the least entry point for an ordinary person. Here ordinary people achieve extra ordinary results. You can also do your finding on personalities like Paul Zain Pfizer, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Richard Branson, Robert Kiyosaki to support my assertions on the Network Marketing industry. However it's not for everyone. My two cents. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by GoldPencil: 1:02pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
lol. walahi. na the Lagos own I no kuku understand. if you de another place I fit say ehn one thing one thing. but Lagos...i assume you will wake up by at least 4 to exercise/pray/chow/bath/side hustle/get ready. Then enter goddamn traffic till u get there at 9. then close officially by 4 but boss fi make u wait till 6. then traffic again till 9 u chop gala and lacasera inside traffic for dinner. reach house, too stressed to chuk ur wife, (so she begin de cheat). you baff then watch TV small. sleep by 10:30. wake up again in 5 hours. 5 or six days a week for 30 to 80k. repeat until jimi agbaje becomes governor under PDP. on top of that they charge you 2% for depositing money in bank. bruh horlique: 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Elxandre(m): 1:08pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
jogbho:Lalasticlala see this scammer. You people should do something about these rogues. |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Nobody: 1:47pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
HeyCorleone: I don't and when i want to, i'll transform them to be entrepreneurs and do the same to others. Does your 9-5 job do that? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by HBB1(m): 1:50pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Hedonisco: As much as I get your drift, I have to say those things or thing you listed alone can not make you successful-- and I understand success is relative ( might be thousands for some, millions for some, billions for others). I am from a family of businessmen and I consider myself one too, (even though I have a salaried job that pays me millions a month). Most business fail, like 90% will in the first 5 years and a significant portion of those that survive will still fail-- that's how arduous the path is. If you are wired to be an 'Entrepreneur,' all well and good, if not all well and good. The most important thing is investments! If I invest in a start-up or buy property, I don't label myself with the Entrepreneur tag-- at least not yet. I am just making investments to increase my Cash flow. Business owners can make investments that can make phenomenal yields, Salary earners can also make crazy investments. Imagine if you invested 10,000 dollars in Microsoft 30 years ago? My Girl is an Entrepreneur, and a crazy one, tech savvy, super uber smart, well educated and the most hardworking person (man or woman), I know. She has however 'failed' in business more than once and it was due to some other factor than ingenuity (one of the other factors I listed). Her Father says to this day that the online store she started failed when capital dried up! ...but she still loves what she does and its not because of money-- she has walked away from 3-5 million naira monthly salaries for what she believes in-- which she is quite good at. It's not also about passion alone either, because she has reserves to fall back on if she fails in business-- no worries about food, housing... It is easier to make good decisions when you don't have this pressures. When you don't have money, you stop thinking long-term, you only think short-term and your business will suffer tremendously! If you think money is not important, you might be thinking small businesses You realize that a certain Online store has not made a single naira in profit in 10 years, despite all the glam. It also took Alibaba about that long before they broke even. What do you do then when you don't have reserves or when it dries up? The business will die! That's why I believe Entrepreneurship requires certain skill sets. Most Entrepreneurs you hear about-- the successful ones, and not the wannabes are not even money chasers per se... It's the deal, the contract, the product, the acquisition that gives them the kick, not the money. Everyman should be honest with himself, not everybody can be an Entrepreneur, but everybody can and should have good investments. If you are not one, pursue a corporate career, keep your eyes open for investment opportunities and when you see 'em don't miss 'em! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by GoodBoi1(m): 1:51pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
kiddkash:Wrong! Salary can be a source of capital for other investments. And investments must not be running another business. Working for someone else is a great pathway to learning and starting your own. 9-5 workers can be rich from their jobs and also through other streams of income. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by alphaNomega: 2:46pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Many of us want a comfortable job where we can... Whoa hol up I just saw this post.. HBB1: That job she walked away from, was it in Nigeria? If yes, 1. She made a very bad call to reject it. 2. She has not told you the real reason she "rejected" the offer, (i) maybe was not qualified enough or (ii) was asked to sleep with someone to secure the job. (The reality of 90% female job seekers in Nigeria) Even if you do not like money, N3-5m a month for a legit job that adds value to your career/life is not a bad offer. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by HBB1(m): 2:54pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
alphaNomega: She still makes about that now, and is working on making more. She is getting investors for a bigger project. Since I know she is like that, I have a job that will support us both in case kasala bursts. She is the crazy one, I am not! P.S-- she was not sleeping with anybody, one was in an industry her faith doesn't agree with, another was to corporate for her entrepreneurial spirit, while the third was a 'been there done that' gig. Besides like I said, she doesn't have to bother about rent, food, transport... Everything is covered, so she can afford the risk(s) 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by CoolAmbience(m): 2:56pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
pocohantas: Ok, I get. |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Amyyy2020: 3:15pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
I dont knw y diz is difficult for them to understand. 24kmagic: |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Nobody: 3:37pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
You people do not understand one thing here Entrepreneurship and the 9 - 5 job work hand in hand. If u r looking for capital, 9-5 serves as an option for you to raise capital and gather experience. For you to be successful in something you want to do as an entrepreneur, u need to know the in nd out of the business. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by millionboi2: 4:12pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Jarus:how wetin pesin earn take b my business......face ur life |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by IamCharles123: 4:15pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Vincad:My friend go n sit down, 6 million per month my ass. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by HeyCorleone(m): 4:48pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
passionstores: Balls. Gates, Jobs, and other great men wouldn't be there today without workers who helped them build the company. Let's see how far you go without workers. Smh. I'm a freelancer. But if I see opportunity for a 9-5, I would gladly jump on it. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by armadeo(m): 4:58pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Jarus: Oga Jarus. Lol. Even you. To be frank if some people see better 9 to 5 they will flee thier entrepreneur story. I tried he side hustle before with normal 9 to 5. I quit the side bustle cos it wasnt worth it at all, when I am using salary to pay salary of others. 1 Like |
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Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by djon78(m): 5:10pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Hedonisco: Very good reply Apart from working in NLNG, oil companies and some few other firms, other 9 to 5 workers you see with those kind of houses you mentioned are thief's, fraudsters and criminals. And these are the major reason Nigeria cannot actually develop, going in the same circle deceiving ourselves. Many people don't even understand the terrible economic condition of this country and continent. Economy is in shambles, the government is totally bereft of what to do. And someone will come online and be talking of 9 to 5. What value are they adding to the economy by the so called nob they are doing. There is no creativity, no innovation in the system. And let me warn most Nigerian youths You must start thinking outside the box Because anybody that continues with backward mentality will be caught down if you like work in NLNG, earn 1 million per month, by the time Naira is devalued, with the way the economy is going. You will discover your money is valueless. Young Nigerians put your brain to work Use your brain to better your lives 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by djon78(m): 5:20pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Reference: Not at all Rather they will gather at the end of every months to share allocation at Abuja so that salaries will be paid. Ask yourself if all these allocations shared monthly were used to fix Nigeria's dilapidated infrastructure, made finances readily available for businesses, whether Nigeria wouldn't have become industrialized Nation by now. |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Jarus(m): 5:25pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
armadeo: lol. First 3 years of the side hustle, na my salary I take finance the business, including paying salaries. Although the business now pays salaries of the staff. We still never make profits. Me I have not even started collecting salaries from the business yet. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by djon78(m): 5:29pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
franchasng: Franchng my God will bless you for this great wise contribution. He who has ear let him hear 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by djon78(m): 5:35pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Hedonisco: You summed it up. No value added, you ask how then can Nigeria progress? I Wonder |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by EmekusTHEgreat(m): 5:43pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
franchasng: I'm going to Canada to do my MBA next year with my parents' money.. come and beat me |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Vincad: 5:51pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
IamCharles123: I've even forgotten that I posted something like this and you're still bringing me back to it. It's okay sha. Even if the guy was lying, you can take something from his tales, be inspired and work harder, add value to yourself so that you are in a better place to negotiate higher wages from potential employers. That or you can continue to believe everyone earns change and 'leave money on the table' when negotiating. Either way it's not adding any millions to my own bank account. Good evening to you. |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by franchasng: 6:06pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
djon78:God bless you too my brother 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by franchasng: 6:10pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
EmekusTHEgreat:That's good news bro! If we can celebrate Tinubu's children, Abacha's children, Obasanjo's children, Buhari's children, El Rufai's children, Orji Uzo Kalu's children, Rocha's children, Oshiomhole's children, Ibori's children, and many other crooks who stole Nigeria dry to give their children luxury life at home and abroad, why shouldn't we celebrate you I wish you the best. But it won't change the truth that most Nigerian government employees and staffs training their kids abroad and living luxury lifestyle are doing so out of stolen and looted public funds to the detriment of all Nigerians, not from their actual salaries and allowances. We have been there, and I am sure you and every other Nigerian understand what I am talking about and reason Nigeria is so messed up the way it is 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Hedonisco: 6:15pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
djon78:My brother I have given up on Nigeria long time ago. Look at Singapore. It became arguably the most successful and prosperous society in the world today due to a strict and fanatical adherence to three cardinal tenets - Meritocracy, Pragmatism, and Honesty. Forget pragmatism and honesty for now. Let Nigeria start with only meritocracy and EVERYTHING would change. I can bet my life and unborn children's lives on this. Meritocracy would transform Nigeria to a beast... Almost overnight. No sentiment for that one. If you better pass me, oya get the job/contract/etc and do it well for everyone. As much as financial corruption is a big problem, the biggest problem in Nigeria is the general hatred for meritocracy. Merit is despised. Value is relegated... Across spheres, from public to private and non governmental. It's a joke. You will see one 'lucky' idiot prancing about forming big boy or big girl in one plum job that was gotten through Nepotism....without even knowing what the organisation's core mandate is. That's the story of every 'good' job in Nigeria. If Nigeria places great value on VALUE (meritocracy), trust me, we will not be in this mess. Things would work, even with financial corruption. Even if you're a thief but you know what you're doing and you're exceptional at what you do, you will still perform well and get things going in spite of your thievery. For a start. But Nigeria? One Oba would carry his olodo constituent and put in NCC. One Emir would put his empty headed apologist in NNPC or CBN... even in the private sector... Oil companies, banks, Big 4 auditing firms, FMCG companies, NGOs, etc. Everywhere! That 'slot' and connection culture is rife. Value added, zero. That's why entrepreneurship is a thing. You have to know what you're doing to succeed. For every Dangote (who had a privileged background and headstart) there are uncountable rich kids who were given millions and billions to start business but failed...Who took over their parents successful businesses and failed! You can't fake this shit. You have it or you don't. It's at the very core, a merit based activity. That's what differentiates entrepreneurship from the polluted and vexatious salaried employment space in Nigeria which relies on 'grace and favour' to give bread to people who don't know their left from their right. I'm angry sef talking about this, because I am exposed to lots of these kinds of over-entitled, pompous people who add ZERO VALUE to the system but enjoy decent salaries or make good money from corruption in their offices. I mean no disrespect to the struggling underemployed Nigerians striving everyday to earn a living. God will see everyone through, I pray. But Nigeria? The country is dead and buried. Just hustle for yourself and family. So that you will be immune to the nonsense that is unfolding and will escalate pretty soon. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Hedonisco: 6:38pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
HBB1: Lol. My brother, if you know, you know. And' knowing' takes lots of open mindedness. Lots of false alarms. Lots of misleads. Lots of mistakes... The learning curve defined. But at the end of the day, knowledge is everything. And you can only know as much as your learning capacity allows for. To each his own. Peace. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by Gerrard59(m): 7:00pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Interesting thread... |
Re: Why Do Entrepreneurs Talk Down On 9-5? by HBB1(m): 7:18pm On Sep 19, 2019 |
Hedonisco: Entrepreneurship in Naij based on merit?! Every successful Entrepreneur leverages on unfair advantage(s), how much more Nigeria. A certain man got the sole license to import cement years back and today he is the benchmark for measuring wealth. Another man is believed to be a front for a certain former head of state-- hence his big businesses in Oil and Telecoms were probably not proceeds of sweat like you sweat. How about the woman who was 'dashed' an Oil well? Or the retired General that paid 20million USD for his own Oil exploration license (I guess it was his pension) Or that Presidential aspirant that is one of the biggest employers in the Country. You think it was all based on merit? A certain electronic billboard in Lagos is said to be owned by the Son of a very big man. 10 million a month per Ad. and you can count over 10 ads in no time when caught in traffic-- over 10 in a few minutes! While the tax people are hounding you for money, some businesses are 'exempted' from paying tax. They 'legally' don't pay tax! How about those that AMCON have been chasing up-and-down? People that secured loans without collateral, nothing! Bros, forget. If you roll in some circles, you will wonder why you work so hard. 1 Like |
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