Jencejyde:
Emilio for me was the standout player. Now, this is not for the brilliance in saves but for TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. These are my thoughts and i may be wrong, but i do not think Emilio played to the managers instructions cos i still don't think Emery has suddenly stopped his playing out from the back philosophy. What i do think is that Emilio simply just said, "Bleep all this pass from the back, if you are wide open on the wings upfront , i will just send you the ball".

If that's the case then shame on the "we were scared idiots called senior players" How can players not understand that there are times when what you planed in training is not working out during the game and you take it upon yourselves if indeed there are leadership qualities to change the plan, how hard is that? Not saying Emilio is now the next best thing but damn he simply just ignored everything in the managers book and played to his own strengths.

Still worried about our midfield compactness cos we were just way to easy to get by in that midfield . The manager has to take responsibility for this continuous occurrence

.... A back up keeper defying the instructions of his coach when he is not even the captain? That's career suicide!

.... The only thing I saw was that Emi commanded his box really well and was smart enough to know when and when not to do the pass from the back stuff. Leno's pass to Sokratis last weekend was stupid. Some of those decisions paid for in goals scored. It's obviously a plan B and what the coach wanted.

.... Until we get a Rodri or Fabinho or as I understood, a Nzonzi but the board wanted Torreira who is obviously not the big, midfield anchor we need there, we will continue to struggle there.

solomonbrown64:


.... A back up keeper defying the instructions of his coach when he is not even the captain? That's career suicide!

.... The only thing I saw was that Emi commanded his box really well and was smart enough to know when and when not to do the pass from the back stuff. Leno's pass to Sokratis last weekend was stupid. Some of those decisions paid for in goals scored. It's obviously a plan B and what the coach wanted.

.... Until we get a Rodri or Fabinho or as I understood, a Nzonzi but the board wanted Torreira who is obviously not the big, midfield anchor we need there, we will continue to struggle there.

I honestly think we should look to sell Torreira or play him in his familiar role, which kind box to box the guy dey play?!



Emery is a clown, one win at frankfurt won't stop me from clamouring his sack after the season even if we still end up in top 4 but the performance remain abysmal...


Just like parading 11 strangers to play with each other, no structure... Confusion everywhere...

Dreamswayne:

I honestly think we should look to sell Torreira or play him in his familiar role, which kind box to box the guy dey play?!



Emery is a clown, one win at frankfurt won't stop me from clamouring his sack after the season even if we still end up in top 4 but the performance remain abysmal...


Just like parading 11 strangers to play with each other, no structure... Confusion everywhere...

.... Now, this is an over the top reaction.

....I really don't know the confusion you saw yesterday. Yes, the midfield left a lot of space but I believe it's what the coach wants. He is inviting pressure so that we can get space for our attackers to operate and it worked really well yesterday especially in the second half.

.. None of us here are football experts and even when Torreira was moved to the base of the midfield "in his familiar role",we were still wide open in midfield. Emery wants him to be the one to take over Ramsey's role, same thing he is doing with Willock but Torreira is currently the technically superior player. Like it or not, Emery doesn't see him as the midfield anchor and truth is, he isn't. He isn't big or tall enough to win headers or bully players, neither are his long balls good enough nor can he dictate play from deep. His best attributes lies in winning the ball and reading the game well and his runs into the box because he was once a striker. So, why not use those abilities further up the pitch and do some scoring. As a midfielder, he is one of our best shooters and should be further up the pitch using that ability.

.... It will take time for him to adjust to the Ramsey role Emery wants him to play but when he does. We will have a very good midfielder on our hands. A better box to box than Ramsey ever was.... I don't think he will be sold because the board and Emery rates him highly.

.... All this name calling is needless in my opinion. No clown wins Europa League three times in a row. Yes, he messed up last week but you can't deny his love for using the youths. He played a few yesterday and now we know we have a star because some of these youths have rewarded the faith he has in them on the pitch. We are the first English team to beat Frankfurt in their stadium and it was an 18 year old who destroyed them. Emery is not perfect but he has my backing except if we find a better coach of a higher pedigree and they are quite few in the market.

Dreamswayne:

I honestly think we should look to sell Torreira or play him in his familiar role, which kind box to box the guy dey play?!



Emery is a clown, one win at frankfurt won't stop me from clamouring his sack after the season even if we still end up in top 4 but the performance remain abysmal...


Just like parading 11 strangers to play with each other, no structure... Confusion everywhere...

Sell Torreira ke

The thing is he started as an attacking midfielder then Sampdoria fashioned him to a DM,he tackles and intercepts very well, him being the most mobile in the midfield is the reason for his to and fro movement on the pitch..
Torreira needs a big man beside him and he'll be fine like Kante..
Also Torreira is arguably the player who runs,go into duels and get fouled the most in the team, so he gets tired around 70mints, Sadly he doesn't have the body frame and support to ease task for him.

I wish mustafi more of the same performance like the one he had yesterday so he can have his dream move to burnthisleaguedown preferably Bayern.
Amen somebody

sod09:
I wish mustafi more of the same performance like the one he had yesterday so he can have his dream move to burnthisleaguedown preferably Bayern.
Amen somebody

AMEN O!!!



mhikitaryan, his long lost brother is already doing the Lord's work at AS Roma, hopefully they make his loan transfer a permanent one

kodded:
AMEN O!!!



mhikitaryan, his long lost brother is already doing the Lord's work at AS Roma, hopefully they sign him permanently next season

The ministry is moving, hopefully the confused Spanish coach will follow them by end of season.
We must get back to the top

solomonbrown64:


.... A back up keeper defying the instructions of his coach when he is not even the captain? That's career suicide!

.... The only thing I saw was that Emi commanded his box really well and was smart enough to know when and when not to do the pass from the back stuff. Leno's pass to Sokratis last weekend was stupid. Some of those decisions paid for in goals scored. It's obviously a plan B and what the coach wanted.

.... Until we get a Rodri or Fabinho or as I understood, a Nzonzi but the board wanted Torreira who is obviously not the big, midfield anchor we need there, we will continue to struggle there.

Like i said , i may not know if indeed it was a plan b but i do not think passing from the back changed overnight with Emery. And if indeed he defied the coach's instruction on that particular occasion then he will definitely get a backlash but never in anyway is it a career suicide when your alternative plan on the pitch gets you the result or turns the game's tide in your favour. I for one hail him for taking that decision because he his the one on the pitch that sees what the opponent is doing at that point in time.

Its like playing a game of chess and you plan an opening to go to middle-game and hopefully a favorable endgame, but you should also be alert to divert from your original plan if your opponent makes a slight error at the slightest opportunity even if not in tandem with what you already planned but its already a loophole in your opponents base.

During some games back then, my coach back in the day would be sat on the bench without any clue as to how to unravel an opponent that already had us with our backs against the wall despite our well drilled tactics and strategy. It was always up to us on the field of play on that day to take matters into out own hands and boy did we do it many a times. Yes we will get backlash but ultimately we will be praised .

I never felt so low as an arsenal fan when a club captain comes out to say "we were scared" WTF!! Never will i play any competition against anyone and be scared . Only two outcomes, either i win or i lose but the attitude will always be to win from the onset. That's just the poorest mentality ever and should not even be uttered for a Club like Arsenal.

solomonbrown64:


.... Now, this is an over the top reaction.

....I really don't know the confusion you saw yesterday. Yes, the midfield left a lot of space but I believe it's what the coach wants. He is inviting pressure so that we can get space for our attackers to operate and it worked really well yesterday especially in the second half.

.. None of us here are football experts and even when Torreira was moved to the base of the midfield "in his familiar role",we were still wide open in midfield. Emery wants him to be the one to take over Ramsey's role, same thing he is doing with Willock but Torreira is currently the technically superior player. Like it or not, Emery doesn't see him as the midfield anchor and truth is, he isn't. He isn't big or tall enough to win headers or bully players, neither are his long balls good enough nor can he dictate play from deep. His best attributes lies in winning the ball and reading the game well and his runs into the box because he was once a striker. So, why not use those abilities further up the pitch and do some scoring. As a midfielder, he is one of our best shooters and should be further up the pitch using that ability.

.... It will take time for him to adjust to the Ramsey role Emery wants him to play but when he does. We will have a very good midfielder on our hands. A better box to box than Ramsey ever was.... I don't think he will be sold because the board and Emery rates him highly.

.... All this name calling is needless in my opinion. No clown wins Europa League three times in a row. Yes, he messed up last week but you can't deny his love for using the youths. He played a few yesterday and now we know we have a star because some of these youths have rewarded the faith he has in them on the pitch. We are the first English team to beat Frankfurt in their stadium and it was an 18 year old who destroyed them. Emery is not perfect but he has my backing except if we find a better coach of a higher pedigree and they are quite few in the market.

Quite frankly i do not agree with the bolded. We are talking about a win simply because Franfurt were woeful and wasteful in front of Goal. Give that many shots or open space to a better team and it would have been a cricket scoreline. No matter the team we play, i always want to see a compact midfield that is organised , not to so much as great individuals because we don't have the likes of Gilberto, Patrick and co, but more of well organized and drilled in closing spaces and denying crosses or shots at Goal. The amount of shots on our goal was simply saddening from a player perspective.

We play like this against Villa and we will lose, that's very straight forward. You cannot play against a team and make it easy for them to have time on the ball and space in your attacking third. ITS a CRIME! Emery needs to fix this. Yes he no doubt has a good pedigree in this competition but im looking at the whole perspective of our play and its worrying how even lower teams are able to penetrate our midfield and attack our defense with ease. If we keep allowing this , then we can forget about Top 4 or even top 6. What's the guarantee that we will outscore teams? What happens when Auba gets injured? We need to fix our balance between midfield and defense which is really killing us at the moment

Jencejyde:


Like i said , i may not know if indeed it was a plan b but i do not think passing from the back changed overnight with Emery. And if indeed he defied the coach's instruction on that particular occasion then he will definitely get a backlash but never in anyway is it a career suicide when your alternative plan on the pitch gets you the result or turns the game's tide in your favour. I for one hail him for taking that decision because he his the one on the pitch that sees what the opponent is doing at that point in time.

Its like playing a game of chess and you plan an opening to go to middle-game and hopefully a favorable endgame, but you should also be alert to divert from your original plan if your opponent makes a slight error at the slightest opportunity even if not in tandem with what you already planned but its already a loophole in your opponents base.

During some games back then, my coach back in the day would be sat on the bench without any clue as to how to unravel an opponent that already had us with our backs against the wall despite our well drilled tactics and strategy. It was always up to us on the field of play on that day to take matters into out own hands and boy did we do it many a times. Yes we will get backlash but ultimately we will be praised .

I never felt so low as an arsenal fan when a club captain comes out to say "we were scared" WTF!! Never will i play any competition against anyone and be scared . Only two outcomes, either i win or i lose but the attitude will always be to win from the onset. That's just the poorest mentality ever and should not even be uttered for a Club like Arsenal.

..... Exactly, we do not for certain what transpired after the Watford game but I do know no player goes against what the coach wants that openly except he is indeed dull. Emery must have allowed it.

.... I honestly didn't know what Xhaka was thinking uttering such nonsense but I guess he meant that players were scared of receiving the ball from the keeper. Even Guendouzi, our number 1 outlet mellow down. Watford game was indeed an anomaly that shouldn't happen again and I for one is glad that the pass from the back is being toned down. Leno should be smart with it. Sometimes, he can distribute it straight to the full backs or to the wings except he is not confident of his distribution skills. He plays the same way all the time so I agree with you that the player need to improvise but within the boundaries of the coach instructions. Going beyond that doesn't bode well on the image of the club and consistently done is certainly career suicide.

kokaneprodigy:
nobody said we shouldn’t give young players time. What we said was giving a young player that hasn’t done anything so special to own a position 90mins week in week out when we can try other options is at the detriment of the club.

See thinking.

Chai!

Lets even look at the setup from a Defensive Midfield view. So we set up a 4-2-3 1 type setup, and we have Xhaka and Torriera as the Holding midfielders. I would have expected that They split the field into zones. Xhaka covers the left zone to mid anchoring the left full back and left side centre half while torreira covers the right zone to middle anchoring the right full back and right side center half.

If an attack from the opposition were to build up on say the right side, then Xhaka should be have first responsibility to mark that zone but key in doing this is to call torreira to cover any space he has left behind or better still to be within 10 or 15 yards of him when going to defend that zone. This ultimately means that torerriaa should now be close to the middle of the pithch while xhaka is deep into the zone. The same thing applies when the attack builds up from the other side , while torriera goes into the zone then xhaka should already be in the middle not 10 to 15 yards away from torriera.

This is a drill even as uni students we did for hours without the ball and perfected not even a pros, so it bewilders me if pros being paid stupid amounts cannot be disciplined in holding positions and covering space.

Again , emery may have his own methods but what i just described above is what many top managers employ depending on their formation which i was blessed to play under.

Now i also question why use 2 holding defensive mids when playing at home? This is what i really do not like because the singular defensive mid should be able to cover the zones easily since we should be the more aggressive team and with more possession, unfortunately its like i'm still living in the past glory and seem to forget we don't have the calibre in that position to hold down his own. Fabihno , Fernadihno and Rodri do this with ease, not just because they are gifted more technically but also because that's how the coach has set them up plus they are well drilled in the understanding.

Its just damn too annoying seeing our players playing like school kids at times jare when indeed they are supposed to be highly paid professionals. Not saying to expect a perfect performance week in week out but we need a high level of consistency.

solomonbrown64:


..... Exactly, we do not for certain what transpired after the Watford game but I do know no player goes against what the coach wants that openly except he is indeed dull. Emery must have allowed it.

.... I honestly didn't know what Xhaka was thinking uttering such nonsense but I guess he meant that players were scared of receiving the ball from the keeper. Even Guendouzi, our number 1 outlet mellow down. Watford game was indeed an anomaly that shouldn't happen again and I for one is glad that the pass from the back is being toned down. Leno should be smart with it. Sometimes, he can distribute it straight to the full backs or to the wings except he is not confident of his distribution skills. He plays the same way all the time so I agree with you that the player need to improvise but within the boundaries of the coach instructions. Going beyond that doesn't bode well on the image of the club and consistently done is certainly career suicide.

Of course doing it repeatedly without any need for it would be suicide indeed so it only has to be done on rare occasions when it is very glaring that the opponent has found us out

Jencejyde:
Emilio for me was the standout player. Now, this is not for the brilliance in saves but for TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. These are my thoughts and i may be wrong, but i do not think Emilio played to the managers instructions cos i still don't think Emery has suddenly stopped his playing out from the back philosophy. What i do think is that Emilio simply just said, "Bleep all this pass from the back, if you are wide open on the wings upfront , i will just send you the ball".

If that's the case then shame on the "we were scared idiots called senior players" How can players not understand that there are times when what you planed in training is not working out during the game and you take it upon yourselves if indeed there are leadership qualities to change the plan, how hard is that? Not saying Emilio is now the next best thing but damn he simply just ignored everything in the managers book and played to his own strengths.

Still worried about our midfield compactness cos we were just way to easy to get by in that midfield . The manager has to take responsibility for this continuous occurrence

Bros what you are saying is that he should be benched next game. Not taking the coaches instruction is asking for elongated bench experience (EBE)

Dreamswayne:

I honestly think we should look to sell Torreira or play him in his familiar role, which kind box to box the guy dey play?!



Emery is a clown, one win at frankfurt won't stop me from clamouring his sack after the season even if we still end up in top 4 but the performance remain abysmal...


Just like parading 11 strangers to play with each other, no structure... Confusion everywhere...

I know you want Torriera to play at the base of the midfield. But he does not have the body structure to do so. It's the same problem with Kante. Unless you are on the back foot, a small guy like Kante or Torriera will be a problem against counter atacks or long balls. Especially long balls. That is why Xhaka is deployed there. So while he pushes forward, Xhaka stays as main cover. The problem is that, Xhaka himself has his limitations playing the base of our midfield because of his slow pace.

What we need really is a big guy like Xhaka with the pace of Torriera. A Nemanja Matic, Fernandinho, Gilberto kind of guy. The best use of Torriera is to mark from the front.

For now we don't have a DM. Xhaka plays there but even then, he is not a DM.

Jencejyde:
Lets even look at the setup from a Defensive Midfield view. So we set up a 4-2-3 1 type setup, and we have Xhaka and Torriera as the Holding midfielders. I would have expected that They split the field into zones. Xhaka covers the left zone to mid anchoring the left full back and left side centre half while torreira covers the right zone to middle anchoring the right full back and right side center half.

If an attack from the opposition were to build up on say the right side, then Xhaka should be have first responsibility to mark that zone but key in doing this is to call torreira to cover any space he has left behind or better still to be within 10 or 15 yards of him when going to defend that zone. This ultimately means that torerriaa should now be close to the middle of the pithch while xhaka is deep into the zone. The same thing applies when the attack builds up from the other side , while torriera goes into the zone then xhaka should already be in the middle not 10 to 15 yards away from torriera.

This is a drill even as uni students we did for hours without the ball and perfected not even a pros, so it bewilders me if pros being paid stupid amounts cannot be disciplined in holding positions and covering space.

Again , emery may have his own methods but what i just described above is what many top managers employ depending on their formation which i was blessed to play under.

Now i also question why use 2 holding defensive mids when playing at home? This is what i really do not like because the singular defensive mid should be able to cover the zones easily since we should be the more aggressive team and with more possession, unfortunately its like i'm still living in the past glory and seem to forget we don't have the calibre in that position to hold down his own. Fabihno , Fernadihno and Rodri do this with ease, not just because they are gifted more technically but also because that's how the coach has set them up plus they are well drilled in the understanding.

Its just damn too annoying seeing our players playing like school kids at times jare when indeed they are supposed to be highly paid professionals. Not saying to expect a perfect performance week in week out but we need a high level of consistency.

Your tactics is good, but it is so basic that any opposition will easily spot it. When you jam a fast moving tipper with red sand (Liverpool) that swings the ball left, right and centre like no other creature exists, this tactics will be like wash away paint.

This tactical approach was what Emery used at Anfield, with Willock and Guendouzi on either side of Xhaka covering the fullbacks. What Liverpool simply did was to move their fullbacks forward and their rampaging front three straight into our box, and it became a one man show. It almost worked though since we had Aubameyang and Pepe waiting for loosed balls, which they actually got but failed to utilize.

Finally, after so much pressure, London fell. The rest are highlights.

If you got it you flaunt it, this is the official Europa team of the week not some ed Sheeran fantasy
I predicted saka and Martinez but got chambers as a bonus.

Spy360:

Bros what you are saying is that he should be benched next game. Not taking the coaches instruction is asking for elongated bench experience (EBE)

Nah not at all, it depends on the situation and not outrightly

Spy360:

Your tactics is good, but it is so basic that any opposition will easily spot it. When you jam a fast moving tipper with red sand (Liverpool) that swings the ball left, right and centre like no other creature exists, this tactics will be like wash away paint.

This tactical approach was what Emery used at Anfield, with Willock and Guendouzi on either side of Xhaka covering the fullbacks. What Liverpool simply did was to move their fullbacks forward and their rampaging front three straight into our box, and it became a one man show. It almost worked though since we had Aubameyang and Pepe waiting for loosed balls, which they actually got but failed to utilize.

Finally, after so much pressure, London fell. The rest are highlights.

As basic as it is, it keeps your midfield to defense balance very compact and organized. Unless the personell you have are not capable, there is no opposition that would find it easy to break . Not saying any defense can't be breached but the purpose is to make it as difficult as possible by staying organized. Your stamina levels , technique and most important communication and awareness are of the essence. These are professionals so they don't have any excuse unless they are just not good enough. I cant really explain much typing cos there are some elements of movement and basic positional understanding involved but it was very difficult to get beat playing compact and disciplined within zones.

Jencejyde:


Nah not at all, it depends on the situation and not outrightly

If you like score hatrick, coaches like Guardiola will bench you if you play against his instructions. Ask Henry. There is this story of Ferguson refusing to play Dwight Yorke cos he disobeyed him despite finishing top scorer the previous season. Yorke's career ended that year.

Jencejyde:


As basic as it is, it keeps your midfield to defense balance very compact and organized. Unless the personell you have are not capable, there is no opposition that would find it easy to break . Not saying any defense can't be breached but the purpose is to make it as difficult as possible by staying organized. Your stamina levels , technique and most important communication and awareness are of the essence. These are professionals so they don't have any excuse unless they are just not good enough. I cant really explain much typing cos there are some elements of movement and basic positional understanding involved but it was very difficult to get beat playing compact and disciplined within zones.

Your point is clear and appreciated.

Spy360:

If you like score hatrick, coaches like Guardiola will bench you if you play against his instructions. Ask Henry. There is this story of Ferguson refusing to play Dwight Yorke cos he disobeyed him despite finishing top scorer the previous season. Yorke's career ended that year.

Very true! But then again you have the Ronaldinho's Messi's and Ronaldo's of this world that have also gone against instructions to take responsibility without any repercussion. The situation at hand is what defines it and not blatantly

Spy360:

Your point is clear and appreciated.

No worries all good!

K. Tierney, H. Bellerin and K. Mavropanos all start the U23 game against Wolves.

Roland17:
K. Tierney, H. Bellerin and K. Mavropanos all start the U23 game against Wolves.

pls got a link
Been looking everywhere

Why is thorvik viewing this thread

sod09:
pls got a link
Been looking everywhere

For where! I was also looking for a link since Arsenal Media did not stream the game. I will watch the highlights later but it seems Bellerin and Tierney played 63 minutes while Mavropanos saw 90 minutes and all came out unscathed.

yeah it was good for the 2 guys especially
i'm happy for dino melaye too i hope he can stay fit to enjoy some playing time in europa

Roland17:


For where! I was also looking for a link since Arsenal Media did not stream the game. I will watch the highlights later but it seems Bellerin and Tierney played 63 minutes while Mavropanos saw 90 minutes and all came out unscathed.

Na when we sign Dino again Sod

sod09:
yeah it was good for the 2 guys especially
i'm happy for dino melaye too i hope he can stay fit to enjoy some playing time in europa

kokaneprodigy:
Na when we sign Dino again Sod

I think he is speaking about Mavropanos.

How Mav take turn Dino

Roland17:


I think he is speaking about Mavropanos.

kokaneprodigy:
How Mav take turn Dino

My broda make we wait for him explanation, except na another player wen we no know. Abi him coin am from Konstantinos? Abeg @sod09 come help us here.